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MTQuivers

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I now remember why I rarely come on this site anymore. Posts about Antelope Island, governors tags, helicopters, "How far is to far", Mike Brownlee, Don Peay, SFW, etc. consume this whole website now days. Everybody has their own opinion about everybody else. Who cares if Denny Austead shoots a deer on Antelope Island good for him. He is a rich man that likes to buy auction tags. Thats great for him. If you dont like it dont do it. I doubt many on here would turn down a tag there if SWF knocked on your door and said you won the Publishers Clearing House Antelope Island lottery. Not much of a hunt by many standards but very few would turn down the chance to hunt the giant deer out there.

I personally get tired of everyone saying how bad mule deer hunting is. I don't know where they are hunting (Mostly in the front cab of their pickups and in front of their computer screens I think) but where I am at things arent looking quite so bad. I hunt multiple states every year primarily all on public land with general tags and I rarely go into any state without having a good hunt and seeing good deer. Countless times I have scouted an area strictly on google earth without ever stepping foot in the unit and show up to find good deer waiting for me. There are not 200" deer around every corner but quality hunts can be found in any state on general tags for a guy who actually wants to hunt not just "shoot" deer.

I dont understand how MANY hunters somehow feel entitled to the perfect hunt where everything goes perfectly. Where there are big bucks everywhere and NO hunting pressure. It just doesn't happen like that. Its called hunting. We shouldnt think the state OWES us a 200" deer because we live here or apply for 20 years. That is ridiculous yet many act like they deserve some magical mystical hunt of their dreams. Most of the time great hunts are made by the hunter and his attitude and hard work. Not by some mythical land of 200" deer where you pick your buck like a guy at a Salad bar picking what he wants on his plate. Hunting aint a Salad bar folks. It is hunting. We don't get to sit in the truck and pick which one we want. Yet many whine while there is plenty of opportunity all around us.

It is just like anything else. Get out there and work hard and you will find success. If some guys on this site spent half as much time scouting and hunting as they spend behind their computer screens whining about the good ole days and declining mule deer herd they would probably have a few more trophys in their trophy room and more importantly more memories with family and friends on the mountain. Hunting is hard. Thats why we love it. I dont need every tag and every unit to be like the Henries to have a good time and to shoot some nice deer.

The stories of doom and gloom are getting old. I want to hear some kind of positive remarks. Life aint that bad, hunting is supposed to be fun, average joes still kill big bucks every year, there are still good opportunities out there for anyone to hunt.

CAN ANYONE ON THIS SITE LOOK AT THE BRIGHT SIDE ONCE IN A WHILE?

I feel like half this forum is contemplating suicide over the next governors tags! Its one freakin deer. Who cares. Lighten up.


Jason Yates
 
To me hunting is just about being in the outdoors!! I would love to kill a monster buck or bull, but just being out watching animals and spending time with family & friends makes a great hunt in my opinion!! Just my 2 cents.
 
Agreed Jason, there is too much drama nowadays (see my signature). But I think most of the drama is due to the continuing plight of mule deer and the path of the passion we all share. I appreciate if you hunt hard, there is quality hunting to be had. Most of the contention recently is a battle between differing opinions on the hunting of tomorrow and the path we are heading down and if we should be going in that direction.

I disagree somewhat with your assertion that mule deer hunting isn't declining (I think you said things "aren't looking quite so bad"). Check out the article in the NRA hunter magazine for this month. Mule deer are in major trouble and have been for decades. The battle is over how we should fix it.

Happy hunting this year.

Grizzly

PS. Tristate, please be an adult and respect my wishes that you do not respond to any of my posts. I, in turn, will do you the courtesy of not responding to any of yours. I simply do not wish to converse with you.
 
Amen! A few bad apples on here have basically ruined it for every one else. Folks are scared to post pictures or stories because of a few people who think they need to stir the pot by questioning scores, hunter orange, what guide, what unit,shot placement, etc.

It would be neat to see everyone on here actually join together and do something productive, instead of being a bunch of keyboard assassins.

We all love to hunt and are concerned with the path our mule deer, and our country is taking. Too much division on here, and if I was an anti I would be licking my chops watching us self destruct. Good luck to everyone this year. Enjoy your time in the outdoors, because life is short here on earth.
 
Just being up in the hills enjoying nature ! Doesnt even mater if I dont find a buck big enough to shoot each year. I dont expect to. Just spending time in the great outdoors with friends and family ! Oh and running into a MMer every so often. I have meet a few good people from this forum. ;-)
ps. notice the smiley face
 
While I agree with you about all the whining of auction tags etc. I have to disagree with saying the deer herds are not declining. If we all just sat and said everything was fine nothing would get done. I dont think the herds are soooo bad they are on the verge of extinction within the next 10 years, but I feel if we dont figure out why the herds are declining our children and grand children wont get the same opportunities we enjoy. I dont need to kill every year to feel successful, in fact I have not killed a deer in several years. Only one time in the last 5 years have I ever not gotten a shot on a nice mature buck(165+) except in 2012. I seen a few but it was far far harder than previous years to keep tabs on them. I believe it due to the weather we experienced. I do feel that the deer herds do need some attention, and many areas are struggling very bad. WE DO NEED TO DO OUR PART AND TRY TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM RUINING THE SPORT, and tossing ideas around here have had some positive outcomes. Mostly its whining and crying, but like you said if it bugs you that bad then dont come to it anymore.
I do agree with a few things you said, and im sure you just needed to blow some steam but i dont think you should be so naive about the declinig deer herds
 
I never once said anything about Mule Deer herds not on a decline. That is a fact and I am wise enough to not dispute it. I simply said people would do better to actually get out and hunt enjoy what we have instead sitting on the internet whining. Hunting is fun. We should enjoy the great resources we have.

If you got on this site and didn't know any better you would think there wasn't a deer left in the state and that rich guys bought em all up. Gimme a break. Discussing your opinion on the internet is rarely going to result in a "positive outcome". If you really want to make a change in wildlife MM is hardly the place to do it. The places I hunt seem to have plenty of deer still around so I think many paint a grim picture when "things arent so bad"

This site was designed to bring hunters and Mule Deer lovers together to discuss a common passion. To share stories and pictures. NOT to rehash the same stupid threads over and over about how your way is better than another guys way. WE HAVE ALL HEARD THESE SAME STUPID THREADS A THOUSAND TIMES. This site didnt use to be like that

The doom and gloom story of negativity is sickening and a huge turn off to many avid hunters coming on this site and sharing in the passion for hunting.

I hear guys whining about easy hunts on Antelope Island and then in their next breath they are whining about how their hunting is so hard now days. Make up our freakin minds! Do we want super easy "canned" hunts or hard tough rugged ones. It seems like many are begging for exactly what they so passionately fight against.

Its not OK for Denny Austead to have an "easy" hunt but we sure as heck dont want to get out and hunt hard ourselves we want big bucks on every hillside or we will whine on the internet. Makes no sense. The Governors tag holders CAN'T have an easy hunt but we sure as heck better have any easy "perfect" hunt coming our way (because we have put in for 20 years)or we will complain to the state on the internet.

Now I know why Obama is our president!

Jason Yates
 
I have to agree with some of what you say Jason; it does get a bit over done sometimes. But I would also say that even though topics and discussions can get heated and too personal, there is good to be found. Last night I spent several hours in a board meeting for a wildlife group that was born from such heated discussions on internet forums, and I can see the good things that will eventually come from that group of passionate guys. I try to look beyond the rhetoric and flames, and try to discern truths that can be buried deep or just below the surface.

When i get put off by too much of it, I click on the other topics, and enjoy the beautiful pics posted up by BBilly or AZMIGHTYMULIES and many others. I read about the good hearted folks wanting to help guys like Yelum with the tools to explore the outdoors and find myself a bit proud to be associated with folks like that. These pages are filled with a lot of things other than the bad you talk about, so I guess it's just a matter of perspective.

These pages can bring many things to light when it comes to our passions and heritage and just maybe, we can stay informed enough from things we learn here in bitter word-speak to keep that heritage alive and down a path of hope rather than dismay and loss. But hey, to each his own I guess. I'm late heading out of state, so I best be on my way! Best of luck to you on this years hunts and adventures!


www.unitedwildlifecooperative.org
 
I would shoot an Antelope Island deer.

I watched this website for a while and I finaly decided to get involved because I saw a few people trying to devide the entire hunting community. They couldn't realize they were actually anti-hunters. Their rabid behavior towards anyone with differing viewpoints or people who would dare question the goals of affiliated organizations was nothing more than a childish tactic to silence people on these forums.

Like you I enjoy the hunt reports still. I find some useful info on gear, and the wildlife pics are great. But I will not back away from anti-hunting behavior, class warfare, land rights, and anti-capitolist propoganda.

In final thought I will repeat what I have stated before. How can we argue over availibility of tags, or how tags are distributed when the management plans for the species are broken? How can we call ourselves conservationists when all we are doing is arguing over who gets to kill the last deer?
 
Mtquivers, wow finally a guy comes on here and wants to discuss the real problem in hunting now days. Seems like everyone thinks shooting a few deer every year on gov tags and other "bought hunts" is the biggest issue we all face as hunters. Mtquivers hit the whole deal right in the bulls eye with identifying the 'tags' are not the problem , but instead our newly adopted attitudes of being negative to each other more than positive. I would be willing to bet that mtquivers spends a bunch of time in the field and not a bunch of time behind a computer bitching at everything he doesnt agree with or that "threatens" his ego. I, like others on this site have tons of 200 inch deer pics to post and many 370-390 bulls and more coues deer over 110 than our family can count, but i will never post the pics. Why take the chance on posting pics on here when there is always a arguement that ensues over how, why, and when the animal was harvested. I would rather cherish the moment with family and friends than have some total tool come on and turn something i'm proud of into some big arguement over something stupid in general. The guys that go on the gov tag hunts and other "canned " hunts know they have it easier than most when they walk in the field. Why do we all have to jump them when they post pics of these animals to tell them how easy it was, or what a joke it must have been or how unfair it was for them to get to hunt there at a certain time and place. I must admit i personally get a little jealous at times, but only cause it wasn't me that was the one who had the gov tag or some other canned hunt. Just like the guy that had the canned hunt tag knows he has it easier when he's walking into the field, so does everyone else, so why say it. Answer, jealousy. I wont even post any of our pics and 97 percent have been public land hunts and all DIY. God forbid i ever had a gov tag and killed another 200 incher and even thought about posting the pics. I think i would rather be shot, than deal with the radio active fall out buried in posts that would come flying in. I spent over a 140 days in the field this year and close to that last year, and on the rare occasions i made it to a computer to check out all the other cool stuff other members had to post whether it be pics or something they have learned while hunting(something i can in turn learn from) , it never failed to be the same bul'sh't over and over. I keep saying to myself that i would enjoy hunting more if i stayed off this site, but i love the pics and a hunting tales, and some of the info others have taught me on here by just listening. I personally love looking at the gov tag pics, and should just stop scrolling down to read the posts. There isnt a dude on here that wouldnt like a gov tag or a top notched canned hunt. I wouldnt mind it every once in a while cause finding game on public in sometimes inferior units for my whole life has worn me out, lol. CANT WE JUST GET ALONG , and learn to respect our other brothers hunts whether easy or difficult, bought or drawn.
 
Jason, these forums sometimes do have a "positive outcome".

See Randy's recent battle to keep his rmef status. See SFW posting financials on their website. See SFW only keeping a portion of the $5 expo fee, instead of all of it. See Utah Gov. Herbert pledge millions to coyote killing because the forums got hunters to rally.

There are others. Sometimes things get personal and unproductive,but sometimes they work.

Even the Constitutional Convention was ridiculously personal and vindictive. It doesn't mean its not helpful or productive.

Grizzly



PS. Tristate, please be an adult and respect my wishes that you do not respond to any of my posts. I, in turn, will do you the courtesy of not responding to any of yours. I simply do not wish to converse with you.
 
Geez Jason,

You are ONE NEGATIVE son of a gun! Cheer up man and go hunt.
Post something positive.

Most of your posts are filled with downer comments, and littered with criticism of others.

Do you have anything good to say? :)
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-07-13 AT 09:46AM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Mar-07-13 AT 09:44?AM (MST)

I think hunting come be broke down into 3 things now adays.
You have the guys that are under 30 years old that feel like they are owed good deer tags because they have been applying for the last 5-10 years and feel that it's an entitlement.
You then have the guys that are over 50 years old that feel that hunting sucks because "it isn't what it use to be". This group still wants to hunt big bucks but don't seem to want to put forth the effort that is needed in todays hunting world to kill big animals.
Then you have the guys that are between the ages of 30-50. This group has built a lot of points. But have relize that waiting on a good draw tag means not hunting as much as they would like. This group also has a ton of experience hunting after "the good old days" and understands that there are still big animals to hunt with some effort on general tags. This is also the group that I believe came up with "if you get a few miles off the road you will do just fine".
And this is why you see so many different opinions on here. You have a lot of poeple on this site with different views. But I think this is some of what makes this site so great.

I understand that this isn't always the case but I believe that it is very close to being correct.


"Go hunt for meat at Walmart."
 
"There isnt a dude on here that wouldnt like a gov tag or a top notched canned hunt."

***IMHO you are way offbase making a comment like that, but it's a free world and very easy to blame jealousy on things when it is far from the reason there are disagreements on things like you are mentioning. Grizzly is right in that there are many positive things that come out of all these threads. Another I can immediately think of is how a bunch of us banded together and put down the tag theft attempt in AZ, along with defeating a number of other Bills that were detrimental to the everyday hunter in a number of states. You sometimes just have to take the bad with the good that comes out of sites and that's probably why most of us choose to stick around with the overall great guys that are members on this website. In just the short time I've been on this site I've ventured to two states with the direct help of two great guys on here and have hosted two others on hunts where I hunt every year. This Fall I also have another mulie hunt set up with a member on here and I'm sure there will be more the good Lord willing! Peace out there to everyone and may all your dreams come true!
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-07-13 AT 10:23AM (MST)[p]What's wrong with a little debate?Debate is good for the most part.

Jason-Check out "Wyo nonres opportunity"in the mule deer forum.That's what makes MM a good site.
 
>Geez Jason,
>
>You are ONE NEGATIVE son of
>a gun! Cheer up man
>and go hunt.
>Post something positive.
>
>Most of your posts are filled
>with downer comments, and littered
>with criticism of others.
>
>Do you have anything good to
>say? :)
>


Had the same thought as this. Ironic that the original post is a negative drama filled rant about all the negative drama on the site.

I have always subscribed to a theory with online forums. If I don't like it, I don't read it.
 
Here's a positve post...my boy, Canyon, turned 12 in February. It'll be the first year that he'll be able to go hunt AND pull the trigger. I'm 42 and been hunting deer since I was 12. I wonder if my Dad was as excited as I am about taking my boy out. Planning on hitting Wyoming and AZ with him this year. I'm more excited to get him on game than getting me on game. These pics says it all....

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M'Balz Es Hari
 
You guys need to look through the Hunt Adventure Challenges from the last few years. Lots and lots of postive in those pages. ;)
 
There is no doubt there are some awesome people on MM. I have traded several hunts with many and met a few of my best hunting buddies on this website in the past. I met a whole group of buddies from California and Washington 6 years ago and another 2 friends from Oregon on this Website and we share one or two hunts together every year for the last several years. We talk on the phone weekly. That is the great thing about this website and what makes it all worth it. I have learned several tips from other hunters and I have given tips to my fair share as well. That is once again what makes this site what it is and worth all the other garbage. That is what this site is about.

On the other hand I dont remember ever gaining anything from all the moronic arguments that are rehashed on here over and over again. The same whining rants about the same stupid topics. Maybe more than that a guy cant hardly post a picture anymore without some idiot tearing it apart and scoring it from the front row seats of their living room couch. Then we have the notorious MM ethics police that are here to purify the nation of all evil doing hunters and huntresses. They are able to crack even the toughest case right from the comfort of their own swivel chair in front of their computer. They just dare you to post up a picture and gosh forbid a score and a story and watch and wait to solve the mystery of what "REALLY" happened. Give me a break.

At the end of the day there are certain things that keep me coming back to this website (on occasion) but there are others that keep me away more often than not. If you have read one Don Peay, SFW, Mike Brownlee, Antelope Island, Helicopter hunting, Denny Austead, Governors tag drama, Mossback, blah blah blah, you have read them all. There is never anything new. It is just the same argument rehashed over and over and people think they are accomplishing some great thing because they think they won an argument (probably with a 15 year old kid) on the internet.

These guys you all trash are all sportsman just like you. Whether it is a high profile hunting guide or some guy from a small town that post of picture of his first buck. They love the same thing you love. They might go about it different but who the freak cares. They are just having fun like everybody else and I for one dont see any of these guys taking opportunities out of my pocket and I certainly dont think they are the cause of the declining mule deer herds. I see opportunity all around me to enjoy the sport I love and take my kids and friends out hunting. I could care less if Brownlee, Mossback, Don Peay, Denny Austead or anyone else hunts their own way. Good for them. They are having fun too. It sure doesn't effect the hunts I have had and make me feel any less of a man or hunter because they do things that I don't. Sitting in a treestand in Kansas this past November and watching my 9 year old smack his 6th deer with a bow I wasn't contemplating whether or not they should stop the hunt on Antelope Island or whether Mossback found Denny's next trophy. I was just having a great time spending time with my boy and enjoying the hunt.

This site has turned into a breeding ground for entitled sportsmen who think that somebody or something owes them a big buck or great opportunity. Where it is OK to bash someone as long as they can hide behind their monitor. And if anyone else gets a tag or a big buck before they do they are going to figure out a way to tarnish their character the size of their animal or their method of taking it. I guess that just makes these armchair sportsman feel better about their own insecurities and possibly lack of personal success.

I for one wish the site had more of the pictures stories and sharing information and finding new hunting adventures. That is what makes the site great and a lot less of the whining bashing, moaning, rehashed topics that keep so many from wanting to be a part of it all.


Jason Yates
 
We are all suffering from PMS (Posting on Monstermuleys Syndrome).

In fact, the most common symptoms of PMS are:
* Irritability
* Anger
* Crying
* Oversensitivity
* Tension
* Mood swings
* Depression
* Stress

I think we have all of the above pretty well covered.

In order to counteract this powerful condition we should all commit to sing kum ba ya 3 X per day, 45 minutes of yoga with mindfulness meditation per day, and 30 minutes of light therapy each morning prior to taking our antidepressant medication. In doing so, we will be full of glee and all our problems will dissipate before our eyes.

Who's with me?

(In all seriousness...we could all benefit from unwinding just a little)
 
The is a major problem with mulie herd numbers. What is most alarming is how fast they have declined. Up until the early 90's nothing was draw. Then a few units that were hardest hit went to draw. Then suddenly the whole state of CO was full draw.

The DOW will not do what needs to be done to save deer...stopping the hunt for a few years.

Revenue is king, and people with the deepest pockets seem to care the least because they get to hunt regardless. This attitude is especially common from Utards, that have a kill at all cost mentality. A utard would run over a class of kindergartners with a helicopter if it meant they could kill a deer that lived in the schoolyard.
 
>We are all suffering from PMS
>(Posting on Monstermuleys Syndrome).
>
>In fact, the most common symptoms
>of PMS are:
>* Irritability
>* Anger
>* Crying
>* Oversensitivity
>* Tension
>* Mood swings
>* Depression
>* Stress
>
>I think we have all of
>the above pretty well covered.
>
>
>In order to counteract this powerful
>condition we should all commit
>to sing kum ba ya
>3 X per day, 45
>minutes of yoga with mindfulness
>meditation per day, and 30
>minutes of light therapy each
>morning prior to taking our
>antidepressant medication. In doing so,
>we will be full of
>glee and all our problems
>will dissipate before our eyes.
>
>
>Who's with me?
>
>(In all seriousness...we could all benefit
>from unwinding just a little)
>

LMMFAO!

Hey archerycrazy?

You got any 'My-Doll' Pills or Pics?:D





The Dew I had for Breakfast wasn't Bad so I had one more for Dessert!:D
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-09-13 AT 00:46AM (MST)[p]Reffering to post #19 as requested:

Posted by some beautiful and positive guy named bowhunt.

(Speaking about MtQuivers - Thats Me - bowhunt says)

"You are ONE NEGATIVE son of a gun! Cheer up man and go hunt.
Post something positive."

"Most of your posts are filled with downer comments, and littered with criticism of others."


This bowhunt fellow (Who I dont know and who dont know me) accuses me of posting downer comments and criticism of others. So I posted my last post I did on MM below to show how negative and nasty I can be. It was a horrible story about me and my awesome trooper of a wife who went on a DIY Sitka Blacktail hunt on Prince of Wales Island to complete my deer slam with a bow. Go ahead and read everyone you will see what a negative son of a B's us Utards really are. Thanks for proving my point once again.

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Well in order to complete my North American deer slam with a bow, I needed a Sitka Blacktail deer. I decided to hunt Prince of Wales Island on a DIY hunt. I found a bush pilot that was very reasonable and decided to fly to a little un-inhabited part of the island and get dropped at a small lake. I was thinking of which friends may want to join when my wife surprised me and said that she wanted to come. My wife is not much of a hunter but she loves the outdoors and any adventure. I assured her this was going to be a rough and tough backpack hunt and she said she was ready to go. I knew she would do great.

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I began planning months ago and packed the bags several weeks before the hunt. We got my inlaws to watch the 4 kids and we were off to Ketchikan. It was a ton of fun and even though we spent much of the time there in the tent avoiding the constant rain, it was a trip that neither of us will ever forget. It is hard to describe the beauty of Alaska and even harder to describe being there in the middle of no where with no sign of people for miles. The nights in the tent were a little scary with lots of black bears and wolves on the island. My wife was way tough and we had lots of fun together despite some bad weather. I cant wait for our next adventure together.

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Well that concludes this awful post where I criticized others and complained about everyone elses way of hunting.:) Did I mention Mossback had a truck parked right in the middle of the trail I was hiking on Prince of Wales Island? It was the craziest thing ever. I came around the corner and there it was. I though we were 50 miles from the nearest human and all the sudden Mossback parked this big truck right in the middle of the deer trail I was hiking on. What nerve?#$@!


Jason Yates
 
There is truth in what you say, and I get sucked in from time to time.

However, there is a lot of garbage on TV. Do you watch those channels? If I did I would be upset all the time. We all have a remote and a mouse

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
I like it all. Sure, the negative posts do get old but are neccesary in many ways. It keeps us posted on things that sometimes we wouldn't be aware of unless we had these websites. For example, take several years ago when we almost had the tag grab by USO Outfitters in Arizona. Regardless of your stance on the subject, it got the word out and people had the chance to get thier voices heard. So many political things happen out there, changes are made in sneaky ways but many times the forums blow the whistle and bring out positive results throughout all of the negativity. Yes, I get tired of the negative posts, rants and raves and sometimes have to get away from it from time to time. But I also respect the power of the web.
By the way MTQuivers, that was one heck of a hunt that you and your wife went on and I enjoyed the post when you posted it the first time and the second time.
Many times I will skip the rant and rave posts but other times I seek them out. I've learned a great deal by reading other peoples opinions. fatrooster.
 
I have so much going on in my life, I just do not care what people on MM have to say.
I do not let it bug me, I come on hear to look at photos, get a laugh, get some pointers, and hopefully give some pointers. I do occasionally give my opinion, both negative and positive. Not sure why it would upset anyone, it is just my opinion.
Lots of people state their opinion, it does not mean they are entitled, lazy or anything else...it means they care.

Anyway, did not mean to offend you Jason. I thought your post was full of irony that is all.

Don't let me bug ya, I am just a dufus...lol
 
I'm going to draw a great tag and go hunting for a mule deer. No gloom here.

"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
>[Font][Font color = "green"]Life member of
>the MM green signature club.[font/]
 
I have to agree with Jason Yates, the OP on this thread. I don't spend 10% of the amount of time on MM that I used to. I just got so tired of all the whining, bitching, name calling and general low brow BS. I still check this website regularly, but only a few forums most days... Elk, Africa, California, Arizona and mostly try to avoid the other forums.

It's unfortunate that MM has declined like it has, but I guess that's the environment most on here prefer.
 
+ 1 on not sharing pictures. I never have and never will post any pictures on the net cause they might end up on a site like this. I agree with 4000 that there is a kill em all mentality that was born in Utah. And just not getting a simple thank you when you give up quality info it took me 40 + years to learn pisses me off. Sad but true.
 
Thank you. Finally a good post on here. I'm not even going to read all the debate in response to it, but growing up in PA, it is a hunter's paradise living in the west. I love every minute of it and am thankful to have the opportunity. I also do not spend much time on here any more because I am tired of all the whining from people who just don't put in the work. Which, by the way, is fine with me because that means more opportunity for me. I enjoy all of your posts Jason and look forward to what this year holds for you.
 
No offense taken bowhunt. The crazy thing is when you get a bunch of hunters together in "Real Life" they typically always find common ground and often become best of friends in a short period of time. I have met many friends that I still hunt with today out in the field. Whether it be up above 10000 feet, or in an airport carrying my bowcase, or driving in my truck looking for a good antelope water hole, if I come across another hunter there is an immediate bond and common passion that instantly makes me want to talk to them and swap stories and just share in the hunt. I think it is like that for most of us. If I am on a plane going on a hunt and I see a guy wearing a camo hat I instantly drawn to that person and want to know where they are hunting or how their hunt went. Thats the way it should be and thats how it is in "REAL LIFE" for the most part I think.

Unfortunately on the internet and especially on this website many do not feel or at least they dont act that way. It seems like there are more than a few guys on here that let their egos get in the way of their brains and they dont think before they speak. They have decided that online behind their screens (mostly with hidden profiles or fake names) they can bash anyone and anything. They disrespect everyone and often their hard earned trophies all in the name of their big egos. They simply cant allow anyone else to find success and have fun in the outdoors without finding holes in the story or even the person behind it. I guess it makes them feel better about themselves.

To me it is a reflection of our society. 50 years ago if someone talked like some of these guys there were consequences. Usually they got the crap kicked out of them! Now in our society you can say whatever you want and there are no consequences. People can run their mouths and then threaten to sue you afterwards. It is even more prominent for people to "run their mouths" on the internet where they can hide behind a screen and often use a fake name or profile. This is what I expect out of teenagers and drama filled stars in Hollywood. NOT WHAT I EXPECT FROM HUNTERS AND SPORTSMAN! I think of hunters as some of the best people in the world and in many ways one of the few hopes we have for our future in this country. We are supposed to live the "OLD WAY" and stick to the roots that made this country great not conform to what the rest of the crazy world does. I guess that is why this site is so frustrating. I expect better out of the people on here.

I would love to see this site continue for many more years and make many more "REAL" friends but I think the site is headed in the wrong direction when it is OK to bash on everyone and everything. Doesn't seem like the kind of hunters I know and spend time with in the mountains. I think many on here have just lost that perspective that we all share the same passion and should (as Mike Waddell says) join the brotherhood!


Jason Yates
 
Jason,
Thanks for the followup. The Internet, our lack of ability to communicate in person, and distance has really changed things!

Face to face discussions change everything!

I do get really tired of people bad mouthing a photo, a comments, etc. Geez if you do not think it scores 180 WHO CARES!!!


Have a good day.
 
Jason, such a cool hunt and pics. I love POW. I've heard the high country for blacktails is incredible. Next time I'll wish you a big buck and a big black bear!

As for the site, I still chime in and post a little but I don't come as often as I used to.
 
Jason, I have never met Denny Austad. Probably never will. Have met Doyle once, said hello, seemed nice. I have never met THE DON, I have met Byron Bateman, worked with his son for years. Perfectly nice people.

I do have a common #####. I think hunting should be open, in fact a BIRTHRIGHT to all citizens. Those I mentioned previously DO NOT. Its not about money,(Most of the SFW heads aren't millionaires), its about access. Those I mentioned previously believe that the size of their wallets should guarantee them access EVERY YEAR, no waiting periods, no draws, etc, etc. I believe that there should be equal oppurtunity for all. Simple and fundamental disagreement. So when I see Denny pay $310,000 for and AI tag, I don't hate his wealth(in fact he can rent my trailer, i live 3 min. from the island), I hate that my state sells out the other 90,000 deer hunters to benefit 1(the draw tag out there was an afterthought). I also find it disgusting that my kids, if they are lucky, will draw perhaps 3 LE tags in their life(7yr old is my oldest), while guys like Denny circumvent the draws and waiting periods and hunt LE every year. Let him wait 5 yrs, just like you and me. I could care less if he hires doyle, but I do care that he(and others like him) have their own set of rules. So I make fun of him, doyle, SFW, THE DON, because that right now is my only avenue to point out the absurdity.

Good luck to you this season

Nick Jorgensen


"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
"but I do care that he(and others like him) have their own set of rules."


Really??? How are thier rules different than your rules? Please elaborate. I am pretty sure the rules are the same no matter who buys the tag. Even you. The fact that you declare hunting to be a "birthright" shows this is nothing more than entitlement class whining. There is equal opportunity to all. You can make just as much money as Denny and NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON WILL TELL YOU THAT YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BID. It doesn't get any more equal than that. What if you didn't have the money to buy the tag over the counter? How are you getting screwed then? After all its your birth right. Come to think of it how can the government charge anyone for a deer tag since its their birth right??????
 
Way I see it is their was never a hunt on Antelope Island before all this so it didnt take any tags out of my pocket or anyone else. It just added one (public) tag to everyones pocket. Honestly I will never ever put in for AI anyways so all the guys that do just help out my draw odds on other units so once again Denny (or others) buying that tag doesnt hurt my hunting success at all. If anything it throws one more premium tag in there for everyone else and so I say good for him.

I am not a millionaire by any means but I work as hard as anyone out there and I sacrifice having fancy vehicles and expensive toys so that I can afford to do fun things with my family and hunt multiple states every year. My boys (10 years old and younger) have been to Kansas, Colordao, Texas, Wyoming, Idaho, and I am planning to hunt whitetails in Illinois, Wyoming, New mexico, and Texas with them this year. They have hunted antelope with me in WY since they were 2 years old. The two boys ages 7 and 10 have both killed deer, turkey and pigs with a bow. They have gone on at least one out of states solo hunt with just dad several years in a row. We have just as much fun flying on the plane and hanging out together as we do hunting. Point here is this. I realize many dont get to do this so I feel very blessed but I dont feel like I was born with a birth rite. I feel I have earned those trips through hard work and sacrificing other things. ANYBODY could do those hunts. Mostly over the counter. I see it the same way with Denny. I could go bid on a tag just the same as him. I dont have that kind of money nor would I choose to use it that way if I did but I say good for him. Doesn't hurt my hunting opportunities in the least. They could do 10 tags per year on Antelope Island and it wont effect the average guys chance at success. Especially all the guys who claim they would never hunt there anyways. They should be the ones that care the least.

Nothing personal to anyone on here. I just don't see it hurting anyone.

Jason Yates
 
One well-known hunting site cured the bulk of this type of nonsense through a few simple measures:

All members must display their real name in their profile. No such thing as a "private profile". Fakers and Incessant Trolls are then banned when discovered. They're not that tough to identify.

The OP can choose to designate his topic as "Debate-Free".

The original starter of any thread may DELETE any off-topic or otherwise disruptive post in his own threads.

Of course this ain't my site, and the owners here are obviously free to do whatever they want. It takes a lot to deter me, but I must say that it's a very rare instance that I consider posting pictures or hunt stories here. Too many loose cannons running amok. Compared to almost every other outdoors site I visit, this one gives the impression of being the most out-of-control. Just being honest.
 
>One well-known hunting site cured the
>bulk of this type of
>nonsense through a few simple
>measures:
>
>All members must display their real
>name in their profile. No
>such thing as a "private
>profile". Fakers and Incessant Trolls
>are then banned when discovered.
>They're not that tough to
>identify.
>
>The OP can choose to designate
>his topic as "Debate-Free".
>
>The original starter of any thread
>may DELETE any off-topic or
>otherwise disruptive post in his
>own threads.
>
>Of course this ain't my site,
>and the owners here are
>obviously free to do whatever
>they want. It takes a
>lot to deter me, but
>I must say that it's
>a very rare instance that
>I consider posting pictures or
>hunt stories here. Too many
>loose cannons running amok. Compared
>to almost every other outdoors
>site I visit, this one
>gives the impression of being
>the most out-of-control. Just being
>honest.

I agree. I still enjoy reading a few threads on here. However, compared to what this site used to be, most of the posts are garbage. There are still some great people on here and I enjoy reading about their hunts.

I am surprised that it's not controlled more but it makes no difference to me.
 
It does make a difference that guys like Denny pay that to circumvent the system. Sorry, but the tags that SFW gets, come from somewhere. The banquet tags come from somewhere. I would bet that Denny(as an example) IS in the draw pool, so him buying tags doesn't take him out and help our odds, he just has a way to do both. Its not about money, I am pro rich guy, I hope to join them someday. Its simply about access, and either wildlife is owned by the public or its not. Denny doesn't get his own lane on the freeway. He doen't get his own sewer system, his own police or firemen, he pays taxes(way more than I do I am sure), but the ammount he pays doesn't give him more service than you or I. Why is wildlife different? Its different because of the private economy(guides, outfitters, groups) that turn a profit on wildlife, therefore they spend money to lobby. Simply look at the CWMU and "conservation" tag creep. How many were there 10 years ago, how many are there today, how many will there be for your kids? What they do in Texas, or Illinois, or wherever not Utah doesn't concern me, I don't live there. Utahs wildlife system is QUICKLY selling to the highest bidder, problem is neither your kids, or mine are that bidder. We loose more sportsmen every year because of access than any other reason. Without their voting clout, our sport goes away, there simply isn't enough Denny Austads in the world to replace all those we loose.
We cannot continue to concentrate access to fewer and fewer and still have hunting/fishing in a generation. I don't care about who the rich guy is, I use Denny because we all know who he is, I only care that 20yrs from now we have a sport period, and the statistics show, we are QUICKLY loosing our sport.


"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
"It does make a difference that guys like Denny pay that to circumvent the system."

See this is where logic breaks down for you. You don't get to pick and choose what is the system. And neither does Denny. This auction is part of "the system" So he isn't go around any of it.

" Sorry, but the tags that SFW gets, come from somewhere."

Yep its called a printer. Denny has just as much right to the print button as you do.

" The banquet tags come from somewhere."

Same printer. Same "system".

" I would bet that Denny(as an example) IS in the draw pool, so him buying tags doesn't take him out and help our odds, he just has a way to do both."

Same as you. You can draw. You can buy. Hey you're just like Denny!

" Its not about money, I am pro rich guy, I hope to join them someday."

No its just about arguing over who gets to kill the last mule deer, and your pissed that it might not be you.

" Its simply about access, and either wildlife is owned by the public or its not."

Denny is the public!

"Denny doesn't get his own lane on the freeway. He doen't get his own sewer system, his own police or firemen, he pays taxes(way more than I do I am sure), but the ammount he pays doesn't give him more service than you or I."

Correct Denny gets all the same opportunities as you. No more. No less.

" Why is wildlife different? Its different because of the private economy(guides, outfitters, groups) that turn a profit on wildlife, therefore they spend money to lobby."

Wildlife isn't different. Do you think the government builds those bridges, highways, and sewers. Nope. They pay contractors to do it.

" Simply look at the CWMU and "conservation" tag creep. How many were there 10 years ago, how many are there today, how many will there be for your kids? What they do in Texas, or Illinois, or wherever not Utah doesn't concern me, I don't live there. Utahs wildlife system is QUICKLY selling to the highest bidder, problem is neither your kids, or mine are that bidder."

Wow. You really don't hold much hope for your kids performance. My kids could very easily be high bidders. They will just have to work hard, make a good plan, and want it.

" We loose more sportsmen every year because of access than any other reason. Without their voting clout, our sport goes away, there simply isn't enough Denny Austads in the world to replace all those we loose."

We loos e those sportsmen on the same broken wildlife model you are screaming to keep. That is why your children will loose out. Not because of Denny.

"We cannot continue to concentrate access to fewer and fewer and still have hunting/fishing in a generation. I don't care about who the rich guy is, I use Denny because we all know who he is, I only care that 20yrs from now we have a sport period, and the statistics show, we are QUICKLY loosing our sport."

You sure about that. There are places in the world where hunting is used by a very small percentage of the population and has remained for countless generations.
 
I agree I never come to this site anymore either. These guys are for the most part pricks. They go out of their way to make you feel stupid. They wine and b*tch about everything too. The only reason i do come is to look at pictures of big mule deer and hope some of the good guys have something decent to say.
 
Don't do it hossblur, you would be better off taking a 16 penny nail and pounding it into your own head, it would be a lot more entertaining and fun than the alternative...


Mntman

"Hunting is where you prove yourself"


Let me guess, you drive a 1 ton with oak trees for smoke stacks, 12" lift kit and 40" tires to pull a single place lawn mower trailer?
 
"Don't do it hossblur, you would be better off taking a 16 penny nail and pounding it into your own head, it would be a lot more entertaining and fun than the alternative..."


Yes hossblur. You must resist the evils of logic and reason and confine yourself to blind ideology of hate rich people who buy tags.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-14-13 AT 05:19PM (MST)[p]MTQuivers,

You are one lucky dude. (I seen yur pixturs - the rest of us arnt so luky)

BOTTOM LINE - The American population continues to grow. The population of the American West grows at an even greater rate.

Big game habitat, and especially winter range, continues to DECREASE. Have you seen all those gas well everywhere along the highways you drive?

Big Game Management can only do so much to ameliorate the effects of habitat loss. The bottom line is that hunting will continue to increasingly become a privilege.

That means fewer tags, preference points, more and more preference points to draw (even for residents), and less hunting opportunity for us.

Nevertheless, it's not all gloom and doom, as you so wisely point out. There are plenty of wonderful hunting opportunities for anyone willing to get up off their computer chair and go hunt.

Sometimes I think it's just cabin fever and a long winter that makes so many MM posters such grumps. I agree with you. I'm all for Denney Austad if he can afford to repeatedly buy auction tags - God Bless Him!

Thanks for your post.
 
Oh I am sure its cabin fever. BUT, I have a 7 yr old, and twin 2yr olds. At the rate things are accelerating, their kids WILL NOT hunt. In my lifetime(39yrs) we have lost 160,000 deer hunters. Every one of those 160,000 vote. Every one of them bought guns, bullets, trucks, etc, etc. Our industry has shrunk in size and with it our economic and political power. The new interior secretary is a rock climber, not hunter, not rancher. Our voice is shrinking more and more every time we cut tags. Doesn't matter how much money the Dennys of the world have, they don't come close to making up for the loss of 160,000. Buck to doe ratios DO NOT MATTER to non hunters, and non hunters now are the majority in my state. Sooner or later that majority will tire of paying for us to hunt, and they will vote in people who will decide that if someone will pay $310k for 1 deer, then why is the government subsidizing hunting at all. You may not like oppourtunists, you may want to keep cutting tags, but in the end you cut your own throat. Remember, California USED to be part of the west, now its barely part of America. Look around, pay attention, see what is happening in Colorado, how long till its California? Nevada and Utah won't be far behind. WE WILL NOT KEEP OUR SPORT BY LOSING MORE AND MORE PEOPLE. How much money Denny has is meaningless. The only thing that continues our sport is adding more and more people to it, anything less kills it.

Turkey season is almost here, so maybe the cabin fever will go away, but the loss of access is worrisome.

MT, I love to look at big animals, but I have kids and seeing them hanging with dad makes me smile. My 7 yr old has been with me since he was 4, the other two will join soon, and I don't care if I ever kill another animal, as long as WE are enjoying it. Good luck to you guys this season!!


"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
I really get a kick out those that think this drama is new on MM. Hell, I've been here a long time and I actually think the drama now is a lot more mild than it used to be. Some of the names have changed and some have stayed the same. Still don't think I've ever seen a thread beat to absolute beyond death than the whole chuteplane saga and that my friends was a long long time ago. If you are just discovering the drama on MM than you ain't been here long. ;)
 
TRUST ME.......THIS MM SITE IS IN ANYTHING BUT DECLINE, THERE ARE DROVES OF "NEW" HUNTERS ON THIS SITE. A GUY HERE AND THERE MIGHT NOT FREQUENT THE SITE AS MUCH AS USUAL......FAIR ENUFF. BUT THIS "DRAMA THREAD" IS A EXAMPLE OF YOUR ABILITY TO NOT STAY AWAY. THIS I THE PREMIER HUNTING SITE...........YD.
 

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