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I am as giddy for the shed hunt opener as my kids are for christmas. I have it all planned out and can't wait.

I have been watching a bachelor hurd of bulls for the past several weeks. They have been dropping horns about a week or so ago. I did some "pre-scouting" hiking and marked several horn locations on my GPS. Come April 1st 12:01 AM I going to hit the mountians with my big spot light (the one I used to hunt Coyotes at night that casts a beam 300 yards) and my dog. I should have a truck load of horns and be home in time for breakfeast.;)
 
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Well good on ya for waiting, maybe there will be an antler or two left. If your lucky. I'm sure there has been plenty of shed hunting already
 
>I am as giddy for the
>shed hunt opener as my
>kids are for christmas.
>I have it all planned
>out and can't wait.
>
>I have been watching a bachelor
>hurd of bulls for the
>past several weeks. They
>have been dropping horns about
>a week or so ago.
> I did some "pre-scouting"
>hiking and marked several horn
>locations on my GPS.
>Come April 1st 12:01 AM
>I going to hit the
>mountians with my big spot
>light (the one I used
>to hunt Coyotes at night
>that casts a beam 300
>yards) and my dog.
>I should have a truck
>load of horns and be
>home in time for breakfeast.;)
>

Pretty sure it's illegal to hike anywhere with the intent to search for or find sheds, even if you don't pick them up... so that would make you 1) a poacher 2) part of the problem 3) the reason why guys like me, who have waited to even set foot in the mountains, think this shed season is bullchit.

I hope someone beats you at your own game and picks them up between now and April 1
 
Calling me a poacher is a bit harsh don't you think. I mean if every hunter was as honest as I am, then their would be no need for fish cops.

Please enlighten me as to which laws I have broken. Are you saying it is illegal to hike in the forest with a GPS and mark waypoints of interest? If that is the case then you can set up shop outside of any REI and arrest two thirds of the poeple walking out the door.
 
Reminder for everyone to have their antler gathering ethics course certificate with them. They are still required for the first couple weeks.
 
>Calling me a poacher is a
>bit harsh don't you think.
>I mean if every hunter
>was as honest as I
>am, then their would be
>no need for fish cops.
>
>
>Please enlighten me as to which
>laws I have broken.
>Are you saying it is
>illegal to hike in the
>forest with a GPS and
>mark waypoints of interest?
>If that is the case
>then you can set up
>shop outside of any REI
>and arrest two thirds of
>the poeple walking out the
>door.

Not only a poacher, but a dumb one to boot to spread it out on the internet, LOL! Honest, huh?---NOT!!!
 
I'm not seeing any laws broken here. I'm thinking maybe a few are butt hurt to know there are other geniuses in the state who own a gps and a spotlight. I'm sure plenty of horns are stashed or marked and waiting to be picked up at 12:01. And wasn't it deerkiller who was basically challenging anyone to catch him picking sheds on "private ground" when the shed closure was announced? Seems his opinion changed...
 
I looked into the closure and is there anywhere other than what was posted on the dnr website of all the can and cannots to the closure. It's pretty vague looking basically it says no shed antler gathering. The reason I ask is me and my buddy were debating some situations on transporting sheds. So the first one was would if you went to one of utah's surrounding states and your headed back for the weekend with sheds you found. And off the side of the road you see a herd of deer or elk and you have sheds in your truck that you found out of state. And a DNR officer pulls up could he take your sheds even though you found them in another state. Or another scenario you are taking a set of sheds you found in a previous year to show your buddy at his house and a dnr officer pulls up. Can he take the sheds. Is there a way to see the document greg sheenan signed and all of the details behind it kind of like when congress drafts a bill. To me it seems like there is a huge loophole in the shed restriction. Because I have not seen anything in there saying a guy can't use his gps for marking sheds.
 
Several People have been out walking around their shed hunting areas without picking anything up. I see people walking around above my house all the time. The gathering law was a complete waste of time and resources. Not only did deer and elk still get pushed just as hard as before, but now there's a reason for even more pressure than usual. Instead of a couple guys covering it in a couple trips. There will be more guys making their scouting trips, and then their gathering trips. What a joke! FYI I don't shed hunt. I use too on my property, but more people cover it than the public property next to it. They all think that no one else has been in there. The fact is everyone thinks the same thing.
 
Yeah, there is always a d-bag that has to push the envelope,they don't care about the deer or elks welfare only their selfish personal gain.
 
15 years ago I would go to the book cliffs and put a 1,000 miles on my 4-wheeler picking up horns every year. And nobody gave a rats ass what we did or were we went for about 5 years. Then the horns started to be worth a little money and a few more people started showing up.But we still rode were we wanted,then the horns got to be worth a lot of money.And this is what happen, some guy heard that horns were worth $12 bucks a pound.So he goes to the books for the first time and walks his butt off and only finds 2 old white deer horns and he is pisst when a guy drives by on his 4 wheeler with horns strapped all over his wheeler.So the cry baby calls the DWR.Now you have guys getting up at midnight to pick up a horn. What a FN chit show you have now all because some little ##### didn't find a horn.Next year you will have to pay to pick horns on a certain day.And mark my words some day you will have to draw a permit to pick up horns and pay taxes on them.
 
Ya I don't get the big finding antlers craze myself. If a person wants to hike some in the daylight to find a few while keeping him or herself outdoors in gods country I say good for you. But the extent some will go to is absolutely ridiculous. Spotlights at midnight to find already GPS marked sheds , really ???? I'm sorry but that's a little out there. I have a lot more respect for the young kids that find them , and still look at them like treasures , not dollar signs !
 
There is a lot of hate going around which I don't get.

Riddle me this...So a guy comes on here and tells his story about how he has prepared all spring and summer for a fall hunt to the Nth degree. He talks about the gear and technology being used, the rife, the numerous scouting trips, the conditioning routines, how he checked 10 different trails cams to pattern the animals and has a nickname for each animal..ect After all the lead up about this clear obsession, he posts a picture of a great animal that is harvested. The response is high fives all around, congratulations and comments about how the hunter "deserved" it because of all the preparation work.

Then a similar story is told about all the prep-work that has gone in to the shed hunt but this guy is now a dirt bag poacher even-though no laws have been broken.

I don't get it. Why the double standard?
 
If you have enough friends and family, you could set up a grid search during scouting season. Once you have all the antlers marked on gps, you could assign a grid area to a person and cover a lot more ground in a hurry.

You could be known as the Mossback of Sheds. :D
 
>Then a similar story is told
>about all the prep-work that
>has gone in to the
>shed hunt but this guy
>is now a dirt bag
>poacher even-though no laws have
>been broken.
>
>I don't get it. Why the
>double standard?

I understand your thought process but shed hunting is totally different than hunting. This winter has been extremely hard on the animals and any extra resources that the deer have to expend just puts them in worse condition. The whole reason for the shed closure was to keep people off the winter range to protect wintering wildlife. I agree this law has some major flaws and is especially hard in Utah with the many types of outdoor activities. However, anyone that knows anything about deer, and has a passion for hunting them should understand the reason for the law and respect it 100%.

Hiking up to sheds to GPS the location defeats the whole purpose for the closure, and if you don't understand that, maybe you shouldn't be shed hunting. In Wyoming, hiking around to GPS sheds before May 1st is illegal and you will get a ticket. In my opinion, It should be the same in Utah. There are people all over the mountain right now, but many of them don't know what shed hunting is and many of them have no clue that there is a closure. Those that do know about the closure and the reason for it need to be held to a higher standard.

99% of the fawn crop in WY is dead, and another 25% of adult deer have passed. 75% of the bucks over 6 years old have also perished in Wyoming according to a recent study. I think we need to have a little respect for the animals we love and let them recover before raiding the hills looking for bones.
 
>
>>Then a similar story is told
>>about all the prep-work that
>>has gone in to the
>>shed hunt but this guy
>>is now a dirt bag
>>poacher even-though no laws have
>>been broken.
>>
>>I don't get it. Why the
>>double standard?
>
>I understand your thought process but
>shed hunting is totally different
>than hunting. This winter has
>been extremely hard on the
>animals and any extra resources
>that the deer have to
>expend just puts them in
>worse condition. The whole reason
>for the shed closure was
>to keep people off the
>winter range to protect wintering
>wildlife. I agree this law
>has some major flaws and
>is especially hard in Utah
>with the many types of
>outdoor activities. However, anyone that
>knows anything about deer, and
>has a passion for hunting
>them should understand the reason
>for the law and respect
>it 100%.
>
>Hiking up to sheds to GPS
>the location defeats the whole
>purpose for the closure, and
>if you don't understand that,
>maybe you shouldn't be shed
>hunting. In Wyoming, hiking around
>to GPS sheds before May
>1st is illegal and you
>will get a ticket. In
>my opinion, It should be
>the same in Utah. There
>are people all over the
>mountain right now, but many
>of them don't know what
>shed hunting is and many
>of them have no clue
>that there is a closure.
>Those that do know about
>the closure and the reason
>for it need to be
>held to a higher standard.
>
>
>99% of the fawn crop in
>WY is dead, and another
>25% of adult deer have
>passed. 75% of the bucks
>over 6 years old have
>also perished in Wyoming according
>to a recent study. I
>think we need to have
>a little respect for the
>animals we love and let
>them recover before raiding the
>hills looking for bones.

Well said HJB. I agree 100%. They are defeating the purpose of the shed hunting laws. Keep out of the winter range and let the animals get some strength back from the hard winter. Those that argue they are doing nothing wrong by hiking and GPS-ing the bone are selfish idiots that ruin hunting for the rest of us.

I argued with a guy the other day, and he said he doesnt see the animals in the area he is walking/hiking, so hes not hurting anything. I told him just because he did not see them doesnt mean that they were not there and pushed out by you.

If you can glass from the road, GREAT. But hiking in and spotting the from 1 ridge or GPS-ing them is wrong and you are not helping the animals at all, just hurting the animals we are trying to protect. USE YOUR HEAD PEOPLE!!!
 
The law wasnt even needed here down south. What drives me crazy was all the people that were saying "how good it was for the animals" and while the first 11 counties were closed "now everyones gonna come into my area down south and pick up all my sheds..." then these same jokers cross state lines and do the exact same thing they were preaching against. Im 100 percent against any closure that takes good sportsman out of the wild.
 
Man there are a lot of D bags on here. Like others have already stated, the closer was to try and keep people from pushing the starving critters around. We all know it's not breaking the actual law, but if you were one of the idiots out there walking around GPS'n sheds, you my fair weathered friend are a huge pile. I swear dudes in Utah have got to be the most out of control, egotistical, facebooking, instagraming, SOB's around. The animals in many areas had a tough go this winter, you would think "sportsman" would give a damn. But then you have a bunch a moron's that can't wait to get out and round up some sheds, Judas. I get it, it's fun to get out, but come on use your brain. As far as down south goes, I tend to agree there wasn't enough snow to justify a closer in my opinion, but they did and they aren't "your" sheds" so get over it. Hell let's be honest many of the small Towners down there run a muck anyways. Hunting, fishing, and shed hunting. "Friends" and I put that lightly from school back in the day had picture binders full of puans bucks they and their friends had shot. If you think there isn't sneaky stuff going on around the small towns your kidding yourself. Not saying all small town folks are little chits, most are a hell of a lot better people then city folk, but there is plenty of small town wildlife law breakers to go around.
 
Well said cooper. A bit of common sense and we wouldn't need laws. Even with a ban in place, I guarantee there are a bunch of guys mapping out sheds already and planning to break out the lights at 12:01 just because they can. I think they call that a loophole, which is where common sense should prevail, but it won't. That said, I still don't see how the OP is breaking any laws because there is a loophole. And no, I dont hunt sheds, couldn't even give two sh*ts about them.
 
I shed hunted twice at 12:01 in wyoming. Needless to say It was pretty tough with a light & did much better after my 9:00 Am nap on the hill. I missed alot of sheds with the spotlight. I think I'll wake up at 4:30 AM april 1 to start my day since I don't have a stash pile somewhere. I sure hope I find someone elses hopefully it has some big sheds in it.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-29-17 AT 02:37PM (MST)[p]Some of you guys should start a service where you sell the locations of your pre-scouted sheds. You could include the GPS coordinates, the best route to take to get to them, the best spot to stop and take a nap, best camera angle to take the ATL shot, etc. You could price them according to assumed B&C score.

This would be a great resource for those, particularly non-residents, that just don't have the time to scout the big ones on their own. Nor do they want to waste a bunch of time trying to hunt one on their own. I mean come on you have waited so long for this shed season to open don't waste your precious time hunting for a booner shed. Get with the program, no one on Instagram wants to see your dinky 3 point you found yourself.

Anyone going to take this once-in-a-lifetime idea and run with it? Anyone? Founder? Anyone?
 
Well, I will be out shed hunting on April 1st. And you can bet I'll have my high power video camera strapped on to video any ATV I see cruising around in the sage... I can easily get plate numbers for anything within a quarter mile of me, maybe a touch further.

"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24
 
"Pretty sure it's illegal to hike anywhere with the intent to search for or find sheds, even if you don't pick them up... so that would make you 1) a poacher" -deerkiller

I'd like to see the law that was broken, becauseim pretty sure you are full of it. Topgun, care to chime in as well? What law was broken?

We all can quibble about the "spirit of the law" and our own ethics, but what was done was not illegal, at least as it was described in the original post. I support the shed closure, and think an April 1 start date should become permanent. But man, sometimes people on these forums can sure be jerks to each other.
 
>LAST EDITED ON Mar-29-17
>AT 02:37?PM (MST)
>
>Some of you guys should start
>a service where you sell
>the locations of your pre-scouted
>sheds. You could include
>the GPS coordinates, the best
>route to take to get
>to them, the best spot
>to stop and take a
>nap, best camera angle to
>take the ATL shot, etc.
> You could price them
>according to assumed B&C score.
>
>
>This would be a great resource
>for those, particularly non-residents, that
>just don't have the time
>to scout the big ones
>on their own. Nor do
>they want to waste a
>bunch of time trying to
>hunt one on their own.
> I mean come on
>you have waited so long
>for this shed season to
>open don't waste your precious
>time hunting for a booner
>shed. Get with the
>program, no one on Instagram
>wants to see your dinky
>3 point you found yourself.
>
>
>Anyone going to take this once-in-a-lifetime
>idea and run with it?
> Anyone? Founder?
>Anyone?


I'm assuming it will be cheaper than hiring an actual shed guide? Funny chit right there!
 
The Shed Huntin has been GREAT this year!

I've seen Less people & Fewer TARD/Wheeler Tracks!

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>FISH ON!!!!
>
>Come guys he's just messing with
>ya...


True. Truth be told the only crime I have committed is internet trolling. I haven't been scouting and my GPS has a broken battery and wont turn on. I won't be hiking in the dark on April 1st but I will be riding horses on Saturday.

I was simply making a point that the shed closure being state wide, while I see is well intention, is a complete bone head, knee jerk, half assed action by the DWR that was not well thought out. The DWR cannot lock of all public land in the state from all outdoor recreational actives for 2 months! They need the legislature to do this.

Does the top brass at the DWR have unilateral power to create laws punishable by fines without legislative oversight? If so, that should give you all pause knowing one man with the stroke of a pen can make new laws void of checks and balances.

If it is a priority for the DWR to protect wildlife during the tail end of winter months, then they should do it right like WY and get the legislature involved. WY didn't wait until a heavy winter to put a "special" one-time law in place but rather they worked to put a law on the books that is enforced every year regardless of snow pack totals. Also WY doesn't blanket the whole state but they narrow it down to true winter ranges that are troublesome areas. The WY legislature also has passed laws that excluded all recreational actives in the specific areas for 2 months every year, so if you even step foot in the area you can be sited. This is a law that can easily be enforced.

Hopefully the Utah DWR will use this debacle of a year as an opportunity for motivation to get it done right going forward.
 
>Well, I will be out shed
>hunting on April 1st. And
>you can bet I'll have
>my high power video camera
>strapped on to video any
>ATV I see cruising around
>in the sage... I can
>easily get plate numbers for
>anything within a quarter mile
>of me, maybe a touch
>further.
>
>"Therefore, wo be unto him that
>is at ease in Zion!"
>2 Ne. 28: 24


This is why I don't put my registration stickers on my stuff ;)
 
I wouldn't want to be running around the winter range while it's closed for good reason, but everything else sounds like a fun job. I like making a living doing fun stuff.


>LAST EDITED ON Mar-29-17
>AT 02:37?PM (MST)
>
>Some of you guys should start
>a service where you sell
>the locations of your pre-scouted
>sheds. You could include
>the GPS coordinates, the best
>route to take to get
>to them, the best spot
>to stop and take a
>nap, best camera angle to
>take the ATL shot, etc.
> You could price them
>according to assumed B&C score.
>
>
>This would be a great resource
>for those, particularly non-residents, that
>just don't have the time
>to scout the big ones
>on their own. Nor do
>they want to waste a
>bunch of time trying to
>hunt one on their own.
> I mean come on
>you have waited so long
>for this shed season to
>open don't waste your precious
>time hunting for a booner
>shed. Get with the
>program, no one on Instagram
>wants to see your dinky
>3 point you found yourself.
>
>
>Anyone going to take this once-in-a-lifetime
>idea and run with it?
> Anyone? Founder?
>Anyone?


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LAST EDITED ON Mar-30-17 AT 11:29AM (MST)[p]He admits he was hunting sheds during a closed season. Doesn't matter that he didn't pick them up or even move them. He was still hunting sheds. You know it, I know it, he knows it. People who do that better hope that I am not on the jury.

Why do we have this law Gorilla and Vanilla? Please explain to me how you/he didn't go against what the law was set up to do?

No hate here, just facts. I don't even have a dog in the fight as I have never hunted sheds.


txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
Show me what law was violated. "Shed hunting" doesn't exist in Utah law. It's a term we use, but from a legal sense, it means nothing. So just saying he was shed hunting, and we all know it, doesn't show what law was broken. I'm open to being educated if I'm missing something.

The rule on gathering and possessing shed antlers is specific and prohibits very specific actions. None were described in the original post.
 
dont really care if he broke a law or not. Irrelevant Answer my question? Why was the law passed?

If 1000 guys did the same thing he did on that same day in the same area and none of them "broke the law". Is that ok too?

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
I'm not sure but 90 percent of the horns are on Federal ground so they can't stop any body from that land but the state does own and manage the wildlife so that's how they made this law. So if it was state land they could keep you off till April 1st. But it is Federal ground and the state can't close off that land.
 
Arms, do I have to follow Game Laws the State DWR on ONLY State land. Thats Awesome as i didnt draw a bear tag that I wanted ,but the Bear I want lives on National Forrest Ground....guess I'm going Bear hunting after all.....Sweet
 
Well it's not wether it's right or wrong morally, the thinking now a days is how it would hold up in court, sad!!!!
 
What I'm saying is that if the state had control over the BLM and the National Forest they would have close these lands.Not just for picking up horns but all access till April 1st.But they don't have control the federal government does.So I can ride my horse I can go lion hunting or go for walk if I want,as long as I don't pick up horn. They are the states
 
So anyone with any sense knows what the division was trying to do with the restrictions by trying to help the game get through winter and in turn make the resource better for all of us. That being said, I guess if you can find a loophole in the law then piss on it and abuse the hell out of it... idiots.
 
Idiots is right,that's why I first quit hunting the general deer then the general elk and 3 years ago I quit horn hunting to many freaking idiots.A lot more fishing now.
 
Spotlights at the ready, 4 wheeler gassed up, fresh Batteriea in the GPS! Ready, set, go!

xhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
Ha the clown show just outside of Daniels. pre fist fighting over 5 measly bulls on the hillside was hilarious. Cheers to you nerds congrats you hunted something down that can't move.
 
Long time hunter beginner shed hunter, I'm just hoping to maybe find some, a few or just one. Hopefully they have not all be taken already and if they have. let's be real here their's no way the fish and game can catch everyone right?

For the love of the hunt.
www.instagram.com/big_simps/
 
Lots of folks clamoring for closures restrictions and the like. Pretty soon you all will regulate yourselves out of your public lands. Blows my mind that fellow sportsmen would support more restrictions for other sportsmen. Elk herds in numerous states are at all time highs. So high that they have depredation hunts in late winter. If you are serious about helping our mule deer herds become a predator trapper and support public land trapping.
 

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