Longest Kill on Film in South Africa
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pufftuffly
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Sounds gay.
Are we supposed to be impressed or something?
Are we supposed to be impressed or something?
>I'll bet Founder loves it when
>his website gets represented by
>the top clowns right out
>of the gate.
I hope you're talking about the OP and their sniping at animals in a video from more than a mile away, because if you aren't you should be, as that is pure BS!
>his website gets represented by
>the top clowns right out
>of the gate.
I hope you're talking about the OP and their sniping at animals in a video from more than a mile away, because if you aren't you should be, as that is pure BS!
>Oh really Top and why exactly
>is that? Cause you don't
>like long range harvest of
>animals?
If you call sniping an animal that can move at any time during the length of time it takes a bullet to travel that kind of distance with just a wish and a prayer from over a mile you're one sick puppy! This extreme LR "shooting" at animals is just another huge negative in the way hunting is meant to be. I would have thought your Daddy would have taught you better about what true hunting is all about and it damn sure isn't about having a helper to dope wind, barometric pressure, etc. that come into play shooting those kind of distances!
>is that? Cause you don't
>like long range harvest of
>animals?
If you call sniping an animal that can move at any time during the length of time it takes a bullet to travel that kind of distance with just a wish and a prayer from over a mile you're one sick puppy! This extreme LR "shooting" at animals is just another huge negative in the way hunting is meant to be. I would have thought your Daddy would have taught you better about what true hunting is all about and it damn sure isn't about having a helper to dope wind, barometric pressure, etc. that come into play shooting those kind of distances!
>>I'll bet Founder loves it when
>>his website gets represented by
>>the top clowns right out
>>of the gate.
>
>
>X2, they are some classy folks...
>
Yea, about as classy as ones like yourself that post BS about others while having their profiles disabled!
>>his website gets represented by
>>the top clowns right out
>>of the gate.
>
>
>X2, they are some classy folks...
>
Yea, about as classy as ones like yourself that post BS about others while having their profiles disabled!
Muley_73
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So Top, what are the official yardages, calibers, crosswinds of "real" hunting. What about archery? How does that calculate? Top lets hear about you successes and failures. How many animals have you wounded and lost? How many have you hit and had to take a follow up shot to finish them? Lets here how your daddy tought you to hunt.
>So Top, what are the official
>yardages, calibers, crosswinds of "real"
>hunting. What about archery? How
>does that calculate? Top
>lets hear about you successes
>and failures. How many
>animals have you wounded and
>lost? How many have
>you hit and had to
>take a follow up shot
>to finish them? Lets
>here how your daddy tought
>you to hunt.
Maybe you should go jump in the ocean since most of the time all you seem to want to do is post BS back when I make a post. I don't and have never taken shots that I know are questionable and the longest I've ever taken is 311 yards because I knew I could easily make the shot and I wasn't going to get any closer due to the open terrain. I've also never had to trail and finish off an animal and most every animal I've ever taken was with one well placed shot. FYI this will be my 65th hunting season and I believe I probably started before you were probably even eligible for a friggin hunting license or knew what real hunting is all about that us old timers are seeing vanish with all this fancy equipment and shooting at live animals into the next county! If you call that hunting, then so be it, but IMHO it's a far cry from what most of the older generation grew up with and know that the true test is to see how close you can get to an animal for as close to a 100% chance at a kill as possible, rather than sniping one from a mile away. Let's just move on and agree to disagree if you feel that long range BS is justifiable.
>yardages, calibers, crosswinds of "real"
>hunting. What about archery? How
>does that calculate? Top
>lets hear about you successes
>and failures. How many
>animals have you wounded and
>lost? How many have
>you hit and had to
>take a follow up shot
>to finish them? Lets
>here how your daddy tought
>you to hunt.
Maybe you should go jump in the ocean since most of the time all you seem to want to do is post BS back when I make a post. I don't and have never taken shots that I know are questionable and the longest I've ever taken is 311 yards because I knew I could easily make the shot and I wasn't going to get any closer due to the open terrain. I've also never had to trail and finish off an animal and most every animal I've ever taken was with one well placed shot. FYI this will be my 65th hunting season and I believe I probably started before you were probably even eligible for a friggin hunting license or knew what real hunting is all about that us old timers are seeing vanish with all this fancy equipment and shooting at live animals into the next county! If you call that hunting, then so be it, but IMHO it's a far cry from what most of the older generation grew up with and know that the true test is to see how close you can get to an animal for as close to a 100% chance at a kill as possible, rather than sniping one from a mile away. Let's just move on and agree to disagree if you feel that long range BS is justifiable.
Muley_73
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Top,
I don't mind surfing so I'm game for the ocean, sure. Hmm do you archery hunt or do you stick to the rifle BS game? 65 years of hunting? How steady is your aim these days? That should probably be something we factor in also.
You jump on a new comer because you don't like his post? Shiiit man we've dealt with your halfasssed uninformed self serving posts for how many years? And you whine about me jumping on you. That's funny.
I don't mind surfing so I'm game for the ocean, sure. Hmm do you archery hunt or do you stick to the rifle BS game? 65 years of hunting? How steady is your aim these days? That should probably be something we factor in also.
You jump on a new comer because you don't like his post? Shiiit man we've dealt with your halfasssed uninformed self serving posts for how many years? And you whine about me jumping on you. That's funny.
>Top,
>I don't mind surfing so I'm
>game for the ocean, sure.
> Hmm do you archery
>hunt or do you stick
>to the rifle BS game?
> 65 years of hunting?
>How steady is your aim
>these days? That should
>probably be something we factor
>in also.
>
>You jump on a new comer
>because you don't like his
>post? Shiiit man we've dealt
>with your halfasssed uninformed self
>serving posts for how many
>years? And you whine about
>me jumping on you.
>That's funny.
Like I said earlier, go jump in the ocean since you're apparently one that thinks your ##### don't stink! Yea, I archery hunt and also hunt with percussion cap MLs in two different calibers. What's it to you? I can also probably hold my own on the bench with you any time since I may be 70 in a few weeks, but I don't have the shakes yet, LOL! In case you haven't figured it out yet, if you can jump on me and others like you do all the time I guess there is no reason I can't jump on somebody I disagree with. So now take it somewhere else because I'm in no mood to get into a pizzing contest with someone that's probably half my age and probably hasn't learned as much as I've forgotten in my lifetime, LOL!
>I don't mind surfing so I'm
>game for the ocean, sure.
> Hmm do you archery
>hunt or do you stick
>to the rifle BS game?
> 65 years of hunting?
>How steady is your aim
>these days? That should
>probably be something we factor
>in also.
>
>You jump on a new comer
>because you don't like his
>post? Shiiit man we've dealt
>with your halfasssed uninformed self
>serving posts for how many
>years? And you whine about
>me jumping on you.
>That's funny.
Like I said earlier, go jump in the ocean since you're apparently one that thinks your ##### don't stink! Yea, I archery hunt and also hunt with percussion cap MLs in two different calibers. What's it to you? I can also probably hold my own on the bench with you any time since I may be 70 in a few weeks, but I don't have the shakes yet, LOL! In case you haven't figured it out yet, if you can jump on me and others like you do all the time I guess there is no reason I can't jump on somebody I disagree with. So now take it somewhere else because I'm in no mood to get into a pizzing contest with someone that's probably half my age and probably hasn't learned as much as I've forgotten in my lifetime, LOL!
Tikka
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>>>I'll bet Founder loves it when
>>>his website gets represented by
>>>the top clowns right out
>>>of the gate.
>>
>>
>>X2, they are some classy folks...
>>
>
>
>Yea, about as classy as ones
>like yourself that post BS
>about others while having
>their profiles disabled!
Lmao!!! How dare I do such a thing as to disable my profile... what a BS thing for me to do... lol
>>>his website gets represented by
>>>the top clowns right out
>>>of the gate.
>>
>>
>>X2, they are some classy folks...
>>
>
>
>Yea, about as classy as ones
>like yourself that post BS
>about others while having
>their profiles disabled!
Lmao!!! How dare I do such a thing as to disable my profile... what a BS thing for me to do... lol
Gator
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I shot a P-Dog with a .22LR at 396 yds. It took a lot of skill and a steady hand, and just a hair of Kentucky windage.
"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
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"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
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Tikka
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>I shot a P-Dog with a
>.22LR at 396 yds. It
>took a lot of skill
>and a steady hand, and
>just a hair of Kentucky
>windage.
>
>"I have found if you go
>the extra mile it's Never
>crowded".
>>[Font][Font color = "green"]Life member of
>>the MM green signature club.[font/]
Sweeet shot Gator!!! How you been?
>.22LR at 396 yds. It
>took a lot of skill
>and a steady hand, and
>just a hair of Kentucky
>windage.
>
>"I have found if you go
>the extra mile it's Never
>crowded".
>>[Font][Font color = "green"]Life member of
>>the MM green signature club.[font/]
Sweeet shot Gator!!! How you been?
Bolt Tripper
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Lots of pissing going on with this thread, mildly entertaining too. Carry on...
>>>>I'll bet Founder loves it when
>>>>his website gets represented by
>>>>the top clowns right out
>>>>of the gate.
>>>
>>>
>>>X2, they are some classy folks...
>>>
>>
>>
>>Yea, about as classy as ones
>>like yourself that post BS
>>about others while having
>>their profiles disabled!
>
>
>Lmao!!! How dare I do such
>a thing as to disable
>my profile... what a BS
>thing for me to do...
>lol
Laugh all you want, but IMHO anybody that doesn't have enough balls to put their name up has no business posting BS chastising others!
>>>>his website gets represented by
>>>>the top clowns right out
>>>>of the gate.
>>>
>>>
>>>X2, they are some classy folks...
>>>
>>
>>
>>Yea, about as classy as ones
>>like yourself that post BS
>>about others while having
>>their profiles disabled!
>
>
>Lmao!!! How dare I do such
>a thing as to disable
>my profile... what a BS
>thing for me to do...
>lol
Laugh all you want, but IMHO anybody that doesn't have enough balls to put their name up has no business posting BS chastising others!
Felt the need to share some thoughts on this issue. Question: How can you call it "hunting" when you shoot an animal that cannot see you...cannot hear you...and cannot smell you? If you are talented enough to make an ethical shot at LR, then I would submit that you are a good marksman...but NOT a good hunter.
I'm not bashing the event itself, but I am questioning the definition.
JMO.
I'm not bashing the event itself, but I am questioning the definition.
JMO.
elkantlers
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>What is it about this thread
>that discourages you so much?
>
Really?
>that discourages you so much?
>
Really?
hossblur
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I would be curious, and if I knew how to make a poll I would. But I would be curious as to the correlation in LR and Trail cam tech, or for that matter drones. It seems like there is some invisible line, where as on one side are guys who embrace tech, and eventually AI. Whether its wireless trail cames, LR computers, and possibly drones.
On the other side sit guys who seem to draw a line at being in the forest. They may shoot via scope, use optics, etc, but the line seems to be, "at least I was there".
I would be curious, and yeah I'm probably stealing this thread, but how many LR guys are anti trail cam vs how many non LR guys are pro trail cam.
My guess, there isnt a single LR guy, that opposes other tech.
"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
On the other side sit guys who seem to draw a line at being in the forest. They may shoot via scope, use optics, etc, but the line seems to be, "at least I was there".
I would be curious, and yeah I'm probably stealing this thread, but how many LR guys are anti trail cam vs how many non LR guys are pro trail cam.
My guess, there isnt a single LR guy, that opposes other tech.
"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
Muley_73
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hoss,
I am against trail cams without questions. I also would have no problem with outlawing rangefinders. Drop the rangefinders and there goes 90% of the longrange beyond 500 yards game. But might as well drop compound bows and inline muzzleloaders too. Its all advancements and it definitely changes the game and landscape of the hunting community. That being said I shoot a Gunwerks setup with a BR2 Rangefinder and super fast Hoyt with carbon arrows and expandable heads. Point being this, if you they cut it all back I'm 100% good, but until then I guess I'll use what I have. I've pushed multiple times for support of actual primitive weapon units and there is not much support. As far as the arguments about ethical shots and animals moving, take a trip up to the Cache Valley shooting range just before that rifle elk and deer hunt. Watch the "average joes" spraying paper at 100 yards and then try and convince me that most of those hunters are more ethical and better hunters than the true dedicated longrange guys. I don't buy it for a second.
I am against trail cams without questions. I also would have no problem with outlawing rangefinders. Drop the rangefinders and there goes 90% of the longrange beyond 500 yards game. But might as well drop compound bows and inline muzzleloaders too. Its all advancements and it definitely changes the game and landscape of the hunting community. That being said I shoot a Gunwerks setup with a BR2 Rangefinder and super fast Hoyt with carbon arrows and expandable heads. Point being this, if you they cut it all back I'm 100% good, but until then I guess I'll use what I have. I've pushed multiple times for support of actual primitive weapon units and there is not much support. As far as the arguments about ethical shots and animals moving, take a trip up to the Cache Valley shooting range just before that rifle elk and deer hunt. Watch the "average joes" spraying paper at 100 yards and then try and convince me that most of those hunters are more ethical and better hunters than the true dedicated longrange guys. I don't buy it for a second.
elkassassin
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Hey Muley_73!
Taking RangeFinders away Ain't gonna Fix it!
I Was gonna Get the SWARO's with Range Built in to them!
But Opted Out!
Then I Figured Why I Should Pack the Extra Weight!
Everybody HATES My New Scope!
Especially B&C!
I Haven't Ever Up-Graded My Main Hunting Rifle until now!
[Font][Font color = "blue"]Ah yes we have insider trading and computer dating but I never goin for that!
Ain't no machine pickin out my Queen cause it may not have all the facts!
I've got my own taste and my own ways I'd rather not talk about
and my private life is my private life and they ain't gonna find out!
Taking RangeFinders away Ain't gonna Fix it!
I Was gonna Get the SWARO's with Range Built in to them!
But Opted Out!
Then I Figured Why I Should Pack the Extra Weight!
Everybody HATES My New Scope!
Especially B&C!
I Haven't Ever Up-Graded My Main Hunting Rifle until now!
[Font][Font color = "blue"]Ah yes we have insider trading and computer dating but I never goin for that!
Ain't no machine pickin out my Queen cause it may not have all the facts!
I've got my own taste and my own ways I'd rather not talk about
and my private life is my private life and they ain't gonna find out!
elkassassin
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I Suspect My New Scope will be Considered JUNK & Out-Dated within 2 Years!
You All know how it works!
[Font][Font color = "blue"]Ah yes we have insider trading and computer dating but I never goin for that!
Ain't no machine pickin out my Queen cause it may not have all the facts!
I've got my own taste and my own ways I'd rather not talk about
and my private life is my private life and they ain't gonna find out!
You All know how it works!
[Font][Font color = "blue"]Ah yes we have insider trading and computer dating but I never goin for that!
Ain't no machine pickin out my Queen cause it may not have all the facts!
I've got my own taste and my own ways I'd rather not talk about
and my private life is my private life and they ain't gonna find out!
elkassassin
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Well Bob!
Mine Ain't as Good as Yours!
[Font][Font color = "blue"]Ah yes we have insider trading and computer dating but I never goin for that!
Ain't no machine pickin out my Queen cause it may not have all the facts!
I've got my own taste and my own ways I'd rather not talk about
and my private life is my private life and they ain't gonna find out!
Mine Ain't as Good as Yours!
[Font][Font color = "blue"]Ah yes we have insider trading and computer dating but I never goin for that!
Ain't no machine pickin out my Queen cause it may not have all the facts!
I've got my own taste and my own ways I'd rather not talk about
and my private life is my private life and they ain't gonna find out!
Bolt Tripper
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How far is too far? For rifle & bow
Curious to see opinions on this
Curious to see opinions on this
elkassassin
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>How far is too far? For
>rifle & bow
>
>Curious to see opinions on this
>
When You're Aiming the Weapon at a 45 Degree Angle & the Projectile/Arrow or Bullet Won't Reach them as it's Falling back to Earth,That's the ONLY Too Far!
[Font][Font color = "blue"]Ah yes we have insider trading and computer dating but I never goin for that!
Ain't no machine pickin out my Queen cause it may not have all the facts!
I've got my own taste and my own ways I'd rather not talk about
and my private life is my private life and they ain't gonna find out!
>rifle & bow
>
>Curious to see opinions on this
>
When You're Aiming the Weapon at a 45 Degree Angle & the Projectile/Arrow or Bullet Won't Reach them as it's Falling back to Earth,That's the ONLY Too Far!
[Font][Font color = "blue"]Ah yes we have insider trading and computer dating but I never goin for that!
Ain't no machine pickin out my Queen cause it may not have all the facts!
I've got my own taste and my own ways I'd rather not talk about
and my private life is my private life and they ain't gonna find out!
Bolt Tripper
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>>How far is too far? For
>>rifle & bow
>>
>>Curious to see opinions on this
>>
>
>
> When You're Aiming the Weapon
>at a 45 Degree Angle
>& the Projectile/Arrow or Bullet
>Won't Reach them as it's
>Falling back to Earth,That's the
>ONLY Too Far!
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>[Font][Font color = "blue"]Ah yes we
>have insider trading and computer
>dating but I never goin
>for that!
>Ain't no machine pickin out my
>Queen cause it may not
>have all the facts!
>I've got my own taste and
>my own ways I'd rather
>not talk about
>and my private life is my
>private life and they ain't
>gonna find out!
>
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>
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You didn't answer the question. What is your max range in any condition?
>>rifle & bow
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>>Curious to see opinions on this
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> When You're Aiming the Weapon
>at a 45 Degree Angle
>& the Projectile/Arrow or Bullet
>Won't Reach them as it's
>Falling back to Earth,That's the
>ONLY Too Far!
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>[Font][Font color = "blue"]Ah yes we
>have insider trading and computer
>dating but I never goin
>for that!
>Ain't no machine pickin out my
>Queen cause it may not
>have all the facts!
>I've got my own taste and
>my own ways I'd rather
>not talk about
>and my private life is my
>private life and they ain't
>gonna find out!
>
>
>
You didn't answer the question. What is your max range in any condition?
elkassassin
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My Max Range is probably not as far as Most of the Lobbers out there!
My Max Range is Knowing I Can Kill the Animal at said Range without Taking Chances on Wounding the Animal without a Recovery!
[Font][Font color = "blue"]Ah yes we have insider trading and computer dating but I never goin for that!
Ain't no machine pickin out my Queen cause it may not have all the facts!
I've got my own taste and my own ways I'd rather not talk about
and my private life is my private life and they ain't gonna find out!
My Max Range is Knowing I Can Kill the Animal at said Range without Taking Chances on Wounding the Animal without a Recovery!
[Font][Font color = "blue"]Ah yes we have insider trading and computer dating but I never goin for that!
Ain't no machine pickin out my Queen cause it may not have all the facts!
I've got my own taste and my own ways I'd rather not talk about
and my private life is my private life and they ain't gonna find out!
Bolt Tripper
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You are still not answering the question...how far is too far?
You should be a politician, no straight answer to anything.
You should be a politician, no straight answer to anything.
elkassassin
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>You are still not answering the
>question...how far is too far?
>
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>You should be a politician, no
>straight answer to anything.
GEEZUS!
Depends on what Animal I'm Shooting At & Which Weapon I'm Using!
Gonna get You a Picture here in a Minute that'll Really Piss You Off!
[Font][Font color = "blue"]Ah yes we have insider trading and computer dating but I never goin for that!
Ain't no machine pickin out my Queen cause it may not have all the facts!
I've got my own taste and my own ways I'd rather not talk about
and my private life is my private life and they ain't gonna find out!
>question...how far is too far?
>
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>You should be a politician, no
>straight answer to anything.
GEEZUS!
Depends on what Animal I'm Shooting At & Which Weapon I'm Using!
Gonna get You a Picture here in a Minute that'll Really Piss You Off!
[Font][Font color = "blue"]Ah yes we have insider trading and computer dating but I never goin for that!
Ain't no machine pickin out my Queen cause it may not have all the facts!
I've got my own taste and my own ways I'd rather not talk about
and my private life is my private life and they ain't gonna find out!
Bolt Tripper
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>>You are still not answering the
>>question...how far is too far?
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>>You should be a politician, no
>>straight answer to anything.
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> GEEZUS!
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>Depends on what Animal I'm Shooting
>At & Which Weapon I'm
>Using!
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>Gonna get You a Picture here
>in a Minute that'll Really
>Piss You Off!
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>[Font][Font color = "blue"]Ah yes we
>have insider trading and computer
>dating but I never goin
>for that!
>Ain't no machine pickin out my
>Queen cause it may not
>have all the facts!
>I've got my own taste and
>my own ways I'd rather
>not talk about
>and my private life is my
>private life and they ain't
>gonna find out!
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You should run for office
>>question...how far is too far?
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>>You should be a politician, no
>>straight answer to anything.
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> GEEZUS!
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>Depends on what Animal I'm Shooting
>At & Which Weapon I'm
>Using!
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>Gonna get You a Picture here
>in a Minute that'll Really
>Piss You Off!
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>[Font][Font color = "blue"]Ah yes we
>have insider trading and computer
>dating but I never goin
>for that!
>Ain't no machine pickin out my
>Queen cause it may not
>have all the facts!
>I've got my own taste and
>my own ways I'd rather
>not talk about
>and my private life is my
>private life and they ain't
>gonna find out!
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You should run for office
elkassassin
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>>>You are still not answering the
>>>question...how far is too far?
>>>
>>>
>>>You should be a politician, no
>>>straight answer to anything.
>>
>>
>> GEEZUS!
>>
>>Depends on what Animal I'm Shooting
>>At & Which Weapon I'm
>>Using!
>>
>>Gonna get You a Picture here
>>in a Minute that'll Really
>>Piss You Off!
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>>[Font][Font color = "blue"]Ah yes we
>>have insider trading and computer
>>dating but I never goin
>>for that!
>>Ain't no machine pickin out my
>>Queen cause it may not
>>have all the facts!
>>I've got my own taste and
>>my own ways I'd rather
>>not talk about
>>and my private life is my
>>private life and they ain't
>>gonna find out!
>>
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>You should run for office
You Should tell us How Far You're Making Ethical Kills with your F'N Red Ryder!
[Font][Font color = "blue"]Ah yes we have insider trading and computer dating but I never goin for that!
Ain't no machine pickin out my Queen cause it may not have all the facts!
I've got my own taste and my own ways I'd rather not talk about
and my private life is my private life and they ain't gonna find out!
>>>question...how far is too far?
>>>
>>>
>>>You should be a politician, no
>>>straight answer to anything.
>>
>>
>> GEEZUS!
>>
>>Depends on what Animal I'm Shooting
>>At & Which Weapon I'm
>>Using!
>>
>>Gonna get You a Picture here
>>in a Minute that'll Really
>>Piss You Off!
>>
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>>[Font][Font color = "blue"]Ah yes we
>>have insider trading and computer
>>dating but I never goin
>>for that!
>>Ain't no machine pickin out my
>>Queen cause it may not
>>have all the facts!
>>I've got my own taste and
>>my own ways I'd rather
>>not talk about
>>and my private life is my
>>private life and they ain't
>>gonna find out!
>>
>>
>>
>
>You should run for office
You Should tell us How Far You're Making Ethical Kills with your F'N Red Ryder!
[Font][Font color = "blue"]Ah yes we have insider trading and computer dating but I never goin for that!
Ain't no machine pickin out my Queen cause it may not have all the facts!
I've got my own taste and my own ways I'd rather not talk about
and my private life is my private life and they ain't gonna find out!
Bolt Tripper
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So you still can answer??? Just give us a range?
Internet troll, no wonder you have nine million posts. What a phony
Internet troll, no wonder you have nine million posts. What a phony
Muley_73
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mt,
What's is got to do with dik size. It's got to do with technologies nothing to do with your dik or mine. My example was saying I'm set up to shoot like that but I'm ok if we pushed back on technology. But it should be across the board. You missed the entire point worried about my dik size. That is weird dude.
Barbosa,
Phony? I love the clueless. They are silly little rascals.
What's is got to do with dik size. It's got to do with technologies nothing to do with your dik or mine. My example was saying I'm set up to shoot like that but I'm ok if we pushed back on technology. But it should be across the board. You missed the entire point worried about my dik size. That is weird dude.
Barbosa,
Phony? I love the clueless. They are silly little rascals.
elkassassin
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Hey Barbybosa!
It Wouldn't Matter what Ranges I Keep/Use within My Arsenal You'd Argue & Say:
"That's Too Far"
"That's CHUMP Shot Range"
"That Ain't Very Far"
I Don't Hunt With My Long Range Weapons!
My Huntin Rifle that I've Packed & Used for 40+ Years was Perty Decent when I first Got it!
Still Decent Today!
But Considered a Short Range Rifle in Todays World!
All You'd wanna do with an Exact Number,Even if I Posted one,Would be to Argue!
Hopefully STINKYSTOMPER Will CHIME in & Tell You about some of the Intentional GUT Shots He's Made at 1,000+ Yards!
That'll Really PISS You Off!
[Font][Font color = "blue"]Ah yes we have insider trading and computer dating but I never goin for that!
Ain't no machine pickin out my Queen cause it may not have all the facts!
I've got my own taste and my own ways I'd rather not talk about
and my private life is my private life and they ain't gonna find out!
It Wouldn't Matter what Ranges I Keep/Use within My Arsenal You'd Argue & Say:
"That's Too Far"
"That's CHUMP Shot Range"
"That Ain't Very Far"
I Don't Hunt With My Long Range Weapons!
My Huntin Rifle that I've Packed & Used for 40+ Years was Perty Decent when I first Got it!
Still Decent Today!
But Considered a Short Range Rifle in Todays World!
All You'd wanna do with an Exact Number,Even if I Posted one,Would be to Argue!
Hopefully STINKYSTOMPER Will CHIME in & Tell You about some of the Intentional GUT Shots He's Made at 1,000+ Yards!
That'll Really PISS You Off!
[Font][Font color = "blue"]Ah yes we have insider trading and computer dating but I never goin for that!
Ain't no machine pickin out my Queen cause it may not have all the facts!
I've got my own taste and my own ways I'd rather not talk about
and my private life is my private life and they ain't gonna find out!
nontypical
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Pretty sure fmsnioer won't be back...
Well done, fellas.
I remember when topgun first stared coming to this site.
He was a fng, just like we all were once.
I'd been on here for ten years.
He already has 10 times as many posts as me. I'm betting at least half of his posts are an argument of some kind.
And yes...topgun...you are usually the one that starts the s**t.
Just sayin'......
Well done, fellas.
I remember when topgun first stared coming to this site.
He was a fng, just like we all were once.
I'd been on here for ten years.
He already has 10 times as many posts as me. I'm betting at least half of his posts are an argument of some kind.
And yes...topgun...you are usually the one that starts the s**t.
Just sayin'......
>Pretty sure fmsnioer won't be back...
>
>
>Well done, fellas.
>
>I remember when topgun first stared
>coming to this site.
>
>He was a fng, just like
>we all were once.
>
>I'd been on here for ten
>years.
>
>He already has 10 times as
>many posts as me. I'm
>betting at least half of
>his posts are an argument
>of some kind.
>
>And yes...topgun...you are usually the one
>that starts the s**t.
>
>Just sayin'......
Thank you and I hope those sniping animals at 1+ miles and flaunting it don't come on here or anywhere else! You also may want to take a remedial math class, as my number of posts are nowhere near your "10 times yours" statement! Sorry I have the balls to speak out against things I don't feel are hunting and if more did to police ourselves the sport of hunting might not be in the shape it is today and losing numbers every year because of ##### like this. Finally, there is nobody twisting your arm making you read what I post, so don't if you don't like them and have a good evening Sir!
>
>
>Well done, fellas.
>
>I remember when topgun first stared
>coming to this site.
>
>He was a fng, just like
>we all were once.
>
>I'd been on here for ten
>years.
>
>He already has 10 times as
>many posts as me. I'm
>betting at least half of
>his posts are an argument
>of some kind.
>
>And yes...topgun...you are usually the one
>that starts the s**t.
>
>Just sayin'......
Thank you and I hope those sniping animals at 1+ miles and flaunting it don't come on here or anywhere else! You also may want to take a remedial math class, as my number of posts are nowhere near your "10 times yours" statement! Sorry I have the balls to speak out against things I don't feel are hunting and if more did to police ourselves the sport of hunting might not be in the shape it is today and losing numbers every year because of ##### like this. Finally, there is nobody twisting your arm making you read what I post, so don't if you don't like them and have a good evening Sir!
Muley_73
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Top,
No justifying you're attitude. It's on any number of issues. That's just the type of person you are. You wear it like a badge like you are standing your ground. But that's not the case, you're a bad represtation of an Internet hunter. I'm definitely not perfect so don't think I'm claiming that. You don't get to decide what is ethical or too far to shoot. You just don't. But keep being you, to late to change that now. But man what a miserable why to live.
No justifying you're attitude. It's on any number of issues. That's just the type of person you are. You wear it like a badge like you are standing your ground. But that's not the case, you're a bad represtation of an Internet hunter. I'm definitely not perfect so don't think I'm claiming that. You don't get to decide what is ethical or too far to shoot. You just don't. But keep being you, to late to change that now. But man what a miserable why to live.
>Top,
>No justifying you're attitude. It's
>on any number of issues.
> That's just the type
>of person you are.
>You wear it like a
>badge like you are standing
>your ground. But that's not
>the case, you're a
>bad represtation of an Internet
>hunter. I'm definitely not
>perfect so don't think I'm
>claiming that. You don't
>get to decide what is
>ethical or too far to
>shoot. You just don't.
> But keep being you,
>to late to change that
>now. But man what
>a miserable why to live.
>
You do know the only one that makes that decision as to how I'm living my life sure as ##### ain't you, don't you! The last I heard HE's way above any of us and for you to make a moral judgement like you just did is just not right! FYI there are many things in life that we all disagree on and this long range sniping where it's just shooting and absolutely no hunting skills involved sucks, plain and simple and isn't helping the overall way hunting is going! Look at the tahr heli hunt fiasco over in NZ that Hushin put up on youtube that's being discussed on HT and all over the net. Tell me the thousands of hunters that raised holy hell about it and it ended getting pulled weren't right in objecting to it as putting a bad face on actual hunting! No sir, if I see something that I feel is detrimental to the sport I love and have for 65 years I'll dang sure say something and if you object then that's too dang bad!!!
>No justifying you're attitude. It's
>on any number of issues.
> That's just the type
>of person you are.
>You wear it like a
>badge like you are standing
>your ground. But that's not
>the case, you're a
>bad represtation of an Internet
>hunter. I'm definitely not
>perfect so don't think I'm
>claiming that. You don't
>get to decide what is
>ethical or too far to
>shoot. You just don't.
> But keep being you,
>to late to change that
>now. But man what
>a miserable why to live.
>
You do know the only one that makes that decision as to how I'm living my life sure as ##### ain't you, don't you! The last I heard HE's way above any of us and for you to make a moral judgement like you just did is just not right! FYI there are many things in life that we all disagree on and this long range sniping where it's just shooting and absolutely no hunting skills involved sucks, plain and simple and isn't helping the overall way hunting is going! Look at the tahr heli hunt fiasco over in NZ that Hushin put up on youtube that's being discussed on HT and all over the net. Tell me the thousands of hunters that raised holy hell about it and it ended getting pulled weren't right in objecting to it as putting a bad face on actual hunting! No sir, if I see something that I feel is detrimental to the sport I love and have for 65 years I'll dang sure say something and if you object then that's too dang bad!!!
Tristate
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I don't have an issue with someone longrange shooting as long as they can readily accept two responsibilities. First, be ready to accept all physical and civil penalties if you put another hunter at risk or actually injure or kill another hunter. Second,once you draw blood, no matter how harmless the wound, your tag is punched.
Basically the day you sling a bullet over into the next drainage over some kid's head you didn't care to look for and blast the tail off of some lucky deer you should be at the mercy of that kid's dad and tag soup should be the only meal on the menu.
Basically the day you sling a bullet over into the next drainage over some kid's head you didn't care to look for and blast the tail off of some lucky deer you should be at the mercy of that kid's dad and tag soup should be the only meal on the menu.
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I didn't come here to define "long range" but I can see how your question is important to you and most important if someone is going to legislate against "long range". But the reality is for such a simple question it doesn't have a simple answer. Just as there is no specific legal definition of "hunting" there is no legal definition of "long range". However if all hunters adhere to the rules I posted above, ALL HUNTERS, then I think there would be much less controversy over the "long range" issue. If someone slings lead over your head at 20 yards or 1000 yards THAT IS A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE and should be dealt with aggressively. If a person wounds an animal at 20 yards or a thousand yards, that is a harvest management issue, and should be dealt with in this day and age conservatively. You poke a hole in an animal where the tags are restricted and tightly regulated then the hunt just ended if you can't find that animal. I know that takes a lot of honesty from the hunter.
I find it rather comical that Tristate says on this thread that drawing blood equals tag being punched. But the Hypothetical Hunt thread in which he described a cow having a head explode from a gunshot........later in the thread claims of not knowing it was dead for lack of tag punch.......does a headshot not bleed?
Yes, he is correct in this thread. Not so much in the side show of the other thread.
Carry on.
Yes, he is correct in this thread. Not so much in the side show of the other thread.
Carry on.
Tristate
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ASB,
You leave out the part from the other thread where the people involved think the target animal is also hit and all shots fired were intended for that target. I guess it becomes less comical when you start inserting the real variables and you probably need a laugh.
You leave out the part from the other thread where the people involved think the target animal is also hit and all shots fired were intended for that target. I guess it becomes less comical when you start inserting the real variables and you probably need a laugh.
Vanilla
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Muley_73's question is a valid one for any time this discussion comes up. People will often jump on their ethical high horse and state that long range hunting is not really hunting or is not ethical. And I always want to find out where that limit is at. I have asked the same question many times to people, and never have I got an actual answer.
At what magical yardage mark does it go from hunting and fair chase, to not hunting and unethical?
Tri's position is one I actually agree with. He is right that his position doesn't have to take into account any specific yardage, just asking people to be responsible. I don't think that is too much to ask. I will add one thing to his statement, however. I would add that regardless of the distance of the shot and/or kill, you have to be legally hunting that animal. If we can all agree on those principles, I think we'll all be better off in the field.
At what magical yardage mark does it go from hunting and fair chase, to not hunting and unethical?
Tri's position is one I actually agree with. He is right that his position doesn't have to take into account any specific yardage, just asking people to be responsible. I don't think that is too much to ask. I will add one thing to his statement, however. I would add that regardless of the distance of the shot and/or kill, you have to be legally hunting that animal. If we can all agree on those principles, I think we'll all be better off in the field.
>Muley_73's question is a valid one
>for any time this discussion
>comes up. People will often
>jump on their ethical high
>horse and state that long
>range hunting is not really
>hunting or is not ethical.
>And I always want to
>find out where that limit
>is at. I have asked
>the same question many times
>to people, and never have
>I got an actual answer.
>
>
>At what magical yardage mark does
>it go from hunting and
>fair chase, to not hunting
>and unethical?
>
>Tri's position is one I actually
>agree with. He is right
>that his position doesn't have
>to take into account any
>specific yardage, just asking people
>to be responsible. I don't
>think that is too much
>to ask. I will add
>one thing to his statement,
>however. I would add that
>regardless of the distance of
>the shot and/or kill, you
>have to be legally hunting
>that animal. If we can
>all agree on those principles,
>I think we'll all be
>better off in the field.
>
I will answer this question: It is no longer hunting if you do not need to overcome any of the animals senses in order to harvest that animal. If the deer cannot see you, hear you, or smell you....then you have gone from "hunting": to "shooting."
>for any time this discussion
>comes up. People will often
>jump on their ethical high
>horse and state that long
>range hunting is not really
>hunting or is not ethical.
>And I always want to
>find out where that limit
>is at. I have asked
>the same question many times
>to people, and never have
>I got an actual answer.
>
>
>At what magical yardage mark does
>it go from hunting and
>fair chase, to not hunting
>and unethical?
>
>Tri's position is one I actually
>agree with. He is right
>that his position doesn't have
>to take into account any
>specific yardage, just asking people
>to be responsible. I don't
>think that is too much
>to ask. I will add
>one thing to his statement,
>however. I would add that
>regardless of the distance of
>the shot and/or kill, you
>have to be legally hunting
>that animal. If we can
>all agree on those principles,
>I think we'll all be
>better off in the field.
>
I will answer this question: It is no longer hunting if you do not need to overcome any of the animals senses in order to harvest that animal. If the deer cannot see you, hear you, or smell you....then you have gone from "hunting": to "shooting."
Tristate
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Just an idea but if an animal is so far that he can no longer detect my presence, under normal conditions, nor perceive me as a threat if he could detect me, and I shoot him, I no longer believe I hunted him.
For instance if an animal can smell me from 1000 yards but my smell is so weak that he does not feel he needs to evade me because I am so far away then shooting him would not be hunting to me.
If I have stalked withing range of an animal that if he saw, smelled, or heard me he would naturally run or use some other evasive tactic, then I am hunting him.
These are personal observations and opinions and could not be translated into law.
For instance if an animal can smell me from 1000 yards but my smell is so weak that he does not feel he needs to evade me because I am so far away then shooting him would not be hunting to me.
If I have stalked withing range of an animal that if he saw, smelled, or heard me he would naturally run or use some other evasive tactic, then I am hunting him.
These are personal observations and opinions and could not be translated into law.
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I don't know about you but when I'm "hunting" my goal is to not have the animal see, smell or hear me.
I will bite. To me, anything over 300 yard is long range. (Remember I said "to me").
Holly cow! I answered a question!!
-"mello"
I will bite. To me, anything over 300 yard is long range. (Remember I said "to me").
Holly cow! I answered a question!!
-"mello"
Muley_73
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Ok, smell, sight and hearing. Are we going to put regulations on camo, certain types are very effective, what about scent blocker clothing, sprays, ozone machines? How about soft feet stalking booties? How about high powered optics that allow for spotting the animals from greater distance? Look at the ability we have to spot animals now compared to 40 or even 30 or 10 years ago. We are predators that are still evolving. If it's only matching wits against the animal does that mean you have strayed from the original purpose of hunting which is acquiring food? I know that's not the only reason I hunt, but for those of you that claim you only hunt for meat then why are you not becoming the most efficient harvesting predator that you can be. Is it because it's sport? If it is then who are you to argue or challenge what others deem as Sport?
Tristate
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Muley 73,
The items you speak of are tools. No one is saying a high powered rifle should be outlawed. They are instead questioning whether certain practices with that weapon are ethical or safe. The items which you question increase the odds of successful deception. Regulating long range shooting would be regulating lethality and the states do that all the time. Many states pass laws that control lethality and under our current wildlife model it seems necessary to the voting public.
The items you speak of are tools. No one is saying a high powered rifle should be outlawed. They are instead questioning whether certain practices with that weapon are ethical or safe. The items which you question increase the odds of successful deception. Regulating long range shooting would be regulating lethality and the states do that all the time. Many states pass laws that control lethality and under our current wildlife model it seems necessary to the voting public.
Muley_73
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Tri,
They all make us more lethal. That's the point. Better rain gear keeps me out in the field longer. Being out there as opposed to back in the warm cabin makes me 100% more lethal. Define the lines and then justify. I'm ok with that. But the lines need to be defined and then enforcers across the board.
They all make us more lethal. That's the point. Better rain gear keeps me out in the field longer. Being out there as opposed to back in the warm cabin makes me 100% more lethal. Define the lines and then justify. I'm ok with that. But the lines need to be defined and then enforcers across the board.
Tristate
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I guess there is a significant portion of hunters who believe lethality through deception is more sporting than punch button lethality. Deception is seemingly more tasking both physically and mentally than weaponized lethality. It is also seemingly less effective and therefore harvest models which bet upon a percentage of hunter failure, like ours, favor these methods of hunting over others.
I will take a stab at what "long range" is o me. It compleatly depends on the hunter and his weapon. To me if you no longer "hold on hair" or have to "dial up" to take the shot that makes it long range. Depending on how well you know your rifle and how it is sighted in that distance will change. I am not even going to try and argue one way or another what range is ethical.
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WTF??? Did the Russians hack TRI computer? I read 3, yes 3 statements on this thread, that were correct, made sense, and I agreed with. WOW
First, Muley. I would LOOOOOVVVVEEEE to have primitive seasons, where can I sign up?
So, now I defend TRI. He is correct. If your launching lead, at those extreme distances, the odds of you shooting over someone, or wounding increase with every foot. Its that simple, and its dishonest to pretend otherwise. Yes, we all have heard of someone getting shot over at 50 ft, or animals getting wounded at 25yds. But, again honesty has to rule, what are the odds of it, vs LR, on a case by case instance?
400yrds, high power, 150 with scoped muzzy, I don't bow hunt, but 50 seems pretty safe. Theres my answer.
We are at that tipping point, many don't want to admit it, or want to deflect. But we are there. It is entirely posible, TODAY to set up a trail cam which gives you real time viewing. Fly a drone which does the same. Set up a bipod, punch into a computer, and have a shot fired, without a human touching the trigger. We RIGHT NOW have weapons under development that can aim themselves, and fire themselves, with bullets that are capable of midflight adjustments. And to pretend that there isn't a large segment of our community that wouldn't buy one the day they are offered, is BS. We are no longer talking about mechanical changes to rifles, or better glass. We are now talking about taking the human away from the equation. We are actively negating the ONLY chance the animal has, which is human imperfection. The cams take away the human eyes. The drones take away the human ability to cover ground. The shooting computers take away the human ego. And soon, the auto triggers will take away the human touch.
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS TECH. Its just a fact. And I know its not popular with some, and there is a lot of industry, etc. Seems to me, the easiest, and most efficient way to do so it ELECTRONICS. Ban anything that requires electronics from being used to hunt. I'll give up my walky talky, you give up your cam, others can give up their shooting computers, etc, etc.
Now someone go find out who took over TRI computer and return it to its usual source of dumazzery.
"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
First, Muley. I would LOOOOOVVVVEEEE to have primitive seasons, where can I sign up?
So, now I defend TRI. He is correct. If your launching lead, at those extreme distances, the odds of you shooting over someone, or wounding increase with every foot. Its that simple, and its dishonest to pretend otherwise. Yes, we all have heard of someone getting shot over at 50 ft, or animals getting wounded at 25yds. But, again honesty has to rule, what are the odds of it, vs LR, on a case by case instance?
400yrds, high power, 150 with scoped muzzy, I don't bow hunt, but 50 seems pretty safe. Theres my answer.
We are at that tipping point, many don't want to admit it, or want to deflect. But we are there. It is entirely posible, TODAY to set up a trail cam which gives you real time viewing. Fly a drone which does the same. Set up a bipod, punch into a computer, and have a shot fired, without a human touching the trigger. We RIGHT NOW have weapons under development that can aim themselves, and fire themselves, with bullets that are capable of midflight adjustments. And to pretend that there isn't a large segment of our community that wouldn't buy one the day they are offered, is BS. We are no longer talking about mechanical changes to rifles, or better glass. We are now talking about taking the human away from the equation. We are actively negating the ONLY chance the animal has, which is human imperfection. The cams take away the human eyes. The drones take away the human ability to cover ground. The shooting computers take away the human ego. And soon, the auto triggers will take away the human touch.
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS TECH. Its just a fact. And I know its not popular with some, and there is a lot of industry, etc. Seems to me, the easiest, and most efficient way to do so it ELECTRONICS. Ban anything that requires electronics from being used to hunt. I'll give up my walky talky, you give up your cam, others can give up their shooting computers, etc, etc.
Now someone go find out who took over TRI computer and return it to its usual source of dumazzery.
"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
Vanilla
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If the animal can't see, hear, or smell me then I am no longer hunting?
As was mentioned before...isn't that the entire goal? That's pretty vague. I will credit those that actually put a yardage mark out there aside from the above. That actually might be the first time I've ever seen someone do that when these discussions come up. But the above really doesn't give me much guidance, because my entire existence in the woods is to be stealthy enough for none of the above to happen, whether it's at 35 yards or 1,200. I still don't know where that magic number is at, and would like some guidance from those that feel this way. When do we cross the line from the animal's ability vs my own ability to trick it? Where is that magic mark? If we're going to talk distance and ethics, there has to be a number.
I am pretty comfortable shooting out to 300 yards. Outside of that, I am not too confident. I might take a 400 yard shot if everything was perfect and I had time to really get set, but that usually doesn't happen in my experience. I don't shoot enough to really hone my skills beyond where they are at right now. I'd like to get to the point where I am very confident out to 500 yards. I don't have much of a desire to go beyond that, personally. But I sure don't view people that can shoot beyond that as unethical.
As was mentioned before...isn't that the entire goal? That's pretty vague. I will credit those that actually put a yardage mark out there aside from the above. That actually might be the first time I've ever seen someone do that when these discussions come up. But the above really doesn't give me much guidance, because my entire existence in the woods is to be stealthy enough for none of the above to happen, whether it's at 35 yards or 1,200. I still don't know where that magic number is at, and would like some guidance from those that feel this way. When do we cross the line from the animal's ability vs my own ability to trick it? Where is that magic mark? If we're going to talk distance and ethics, there has to be a number.
I am pretty comfortable shooting out to 300 yards. Outside of that, I am not too confident. I might take a 400 yard shot if everything was perfect and I had time to really get set, but that usually doesn't happen in my experience. I don't shoot enough to really hone my skills beyond where they are at right now. I'd like to get to the point where I am very confident out to 500 yards. I don't have much of a desire to go beyond that, personally. But I sure don't view people that can shoot beyond that as unethical.
Muley_73
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TK,
That is a good answer.
Hoss,
Those numbers are pretty standard for someone that started hunting when that was the outer edge of those technologies. But why the line there? I agree totally that electronics have pushed it to the higher level. But what about optics? What about 4 wheelers? It is all technology. If you would have asked that same questions 40 years ago the old timers then would have complained about 3x9 scopes and some even scopes in general. Compound bows would have been questioned. Sabot bullets and pellets or any scopes on muzzys. Their ethical yardages would have been closer to 250yard, 100 yards, 30 yards. My point is this. It is not ethics it is personal choice and what you grew up hunting with is what most deem as "actual hunting". Ethics does not come down to yardage, it comes down to ability and being honest if a shot should really be taken with all factors honestly addressed. A deer on edge at 40 yards is just as likely to jump the string and be hit poorly as a calm deer at 600 - 800 yards with practiced properly equipped rifle hunter that is a fact.
Personally I would be 100% in favor of trail cam bans, rangefinder bans for all seasons, no scopes over 6 power, no inline muzzys and open sites only. Compounds but nothing over 50% let off and no mechanical releases. Why? Because it would give more opportunity without as much impact on the resource.
Top,
No your original post was aggressive and asssy as usual to the new poster. So yes I called you out. Mostly cause I just don't like you.
That is a good answer.
Hoss,
Those numbers are pretty standard for someone that started hunting when that was the outer edge of those technologies. But why the line there? I agree totally that electronics have pushed it to the higher level. But what about optics? What about 4 wheelers? It is all technology. If you would have asked that same questions 40 years ago the old timers then would have complained about 3x9 scopes and some even scopes in general. Compound bows would have been questioned. Sabot bullets and pellets or any scopes on muzzys. Their ethical yardages would have been closer to 250yard, 100 yards, 30 yards. My point is this. It is not ethics it is personal choice and what you grew up hunting with is what most deem as "actual hunting". Ethics does not come down to yardage, it comes down to ability and being honest if a shot should really be taken with all factors honestly addressed. A deer on edge at 40 yards is just as likely to jump the string and be hit poorly as a calm deer at 600 - 800 yards with practiced properly equipped rifle hunter that is a fact.
Personally I would be 100% in favor of trail cam bans, rangefinder bans for all seasons, no scopes over 6 power, no inline muzzys and open sites only. Compounds but nothing over 50% let off and no mechanical releases. Why? Because it would give more opportunity without as much impact on the resource.
Top,
No your original post was aggressive and asssy as usual to the new poster. So yes I called you out. Mostly cause I just don't like you.
LAST EDITED ON Jul-19-17 AT 08:45AM (MST)[p]>Top,
>No your original post was aggressive
>and asssy as usual to
>the new poster. So
>yes I called you out.
> Mostly cause I just
>don't like you.
Aggressive, yes when it's something I strongly believe in! Asssy! That's funny since you seem to always be on the attack when you disagree. Why not jump all over the other members who have agreed with my stance on LR? You've come up with a lot of other stuff I don't like and I'll leave it at that since I'd hate to agree with anything you post, LOL! Nope, you don't like me, as if that wasn't already known and I really give a *******!
>No your original post was aggressive
>and asssy as usual to
>the new poster. So
>yes I called you out.
> Mostly cause I just
>don't like you.
Aggressive, yes when it's something I strongly believe in! Asssy! That's funny since you seem to always be on the attack when you disagree. Why not jump all over the other members who have agreed with my stance on LR? You've come up with a lot of other stuff I don't like and I'll leave it at that since I'd hate to agree with anything you post, LOL! Nope, you don't like me, as if that wasn't already known and I really give a *******!
fortheloveofthewild
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The Mule Deer population is not like it was in the "good old days". Some people head out for the general deer hunt and never see a buck. Some of the equipment is getting out of hand i agree, but we have to keep up some how. We may not all agree on the way each other hunts but we are all hunting! We are doing what we love! I really can't believe this thread has gotten to this point.
-"mello"
-"mello"
Stonefly
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Reading this thread at lunch at work. It's funny I keep seeing people ask how far is the limit. I just had a conversation with my grandson about this very thing, with archery.
He is a year away from hunting,he turns 12 in late Dec. But he shoots with me EVERY NIGHT. Littlebuck has decided to end her 20+ year run as a bowhunter and has passed down all her rig to him. About a month ago we set up her how for his draw length, set the pull down to 40lbs. He has worked on his form and is doing well.
He ask me how far away could He kill a Deer, with his setup. I told him it would kill a Deer farther away than he could. Then I put a 6" target on our block and told him, you have 1 minutes and to shoot that target 5 times, he had 5 arrows. His first 2 shots were hits in the 6" target,the next 3 were within 12" of center but outside the target. I told him when he could put all 5 in the target every time at 20yds he could harvest a Deer at that range, he could also begin practicing at 30 yards. But his effective range was 20. He ask me about my range, I told him after 35 years of bow hunting I'm all the way out to 40yds. Both his uncle's are good to 50.
Everyone's "range " will be different. Uncle Sage might say" know your effective range ". And I would agree,. Harvesting an Animal to me is different from the ability to kill one. I have changed my opinion on this matter over the years and now say, if your not interfering with other hunters, and you feel your respecting the animal your going to kill, you can make your own ethical decision on the distance . I shot a Deer once with an old open sight Enfield at 250yds. When I was 17. Looking back I was a lucky little $hit not to wound and loose that buck. The last elk I shot with my bow was 11 feet away, I waited forever for her to stand up out of her bed. She sure means alot more to me that the 2 point I was lucky with. But to each his own I guess.
He is a year away from hunting,he turns 12 in late Dec. But he shoots with me EVERY NIGHT. Littlebuck has decided to end her 20+ year run as a bowhunter and has passed down all her rig to him. About a month ago we set up her how for his draw length, set the pull down to 40lbs. He has worked on his form and is doing well.
He ask me how far away could He kill a Deer, with his setup. I told him it would kill a Deer farther away than he could. Then I put a 6" target on our block and told him, you have 1 minutes and to shoot that target 5 times, he had 5 arrows. His first 2 shots were hits in the 6" target,the next 3 were within 12" of center but outside the target. I told him when he could put all 5 in the target every time at 20yds he could harvest a Deer at that range, he could also begin practicing at 30 yards. But his effective range was 20. He ask me about my range, I told him after 35 years of bow hunting I'm all the way out to 40yds. Both his uncle's are good to 50.
Everyone's "range " will be different. Uncle Sage might say" know your effective range ". And I would agree,. Harvesting an Animal to me is different from the ability to kill one. I have changed my opinion on this matter over the years and now say, if your not interfering with other hunters, and you feel your respecting the animal your going to kill, you can make your own ethical decision on the distance . I shot a Deer once with an old open sight Enfield at 250yds. When I was 17. Looking back I was a lucky little $hit not to wound and loose that buck. The last elk I shot with my bow was 11 feet away, I waited forever for her to stand up out of her bed. She sure means alot more to me that the 2 point I was lucky with. But to each his own I guess.
elkassassin
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What I Wanna know is This!
You Locate the Animal/Elk/Deer/Whatever at 1300 Yards!
Get Set Up Just knowing You can Hit the Animal!
You Squeeze Off!
Then Immediately a Breeze comes by about the same time!
The Wind Drifts your Bullet one way!
And the Animal takes a Step the other way!
But Hey!
You Just Pulled off a F'N Gut Shot at 1300+!
Here's where I want Answers:
Soon as the Animal took the Gut Shot He's on the Move!
You Could Gut Shoot Him in Perfect Conditions!
But Now Nothing is Perfect!
Can You Hit Him again?
[Font][Font color = "blue"]Ah yes we have insider trading and computer dating but I never goin for that!
Ain't no machine pickin out my Queen cause it may not have all the facts!
I've got my own taste and my own ways I'd rather not talk about
and my private life is my private life and they ain't gonna find out!
You Locate the Animal/Elk/Deer/Whatever at 1300 Yards!
Get Set Up Just knowing You can Hit the Animal!
You Squeeze Off!
Then Immediately a Breeze comes by about the same time!
The Wind Drifts your Bullet one way!
And the Animal takes a Step the other way!
But Hey!
You Just Pulled off a F'N Gut Shot at 1300+!
Here's where I want Answers:
Soon as the Animal took the Gut Shot He's on the Move!
You Could Gut Shoot Him in Perfect Conditions!
But Now Nothing is Perfect!
Can You Hit Him again?
[Font][Font color = "blue"]Ah yes we have insider trading and computer dating but I never goin for that!
Ain't no machine pickin out my Queen cause it may not have all the facts!
I've got my own taste and my own ways I'd rather not talk about
and my private life is my private life and they ain't gonna find out!
Muley_73
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Bess,
Or do you take the archers way and let him lay down and eat lunch or head back to camp and come get him later?
How about if he was 150 yards and you're shooting Dads Savage 243 with the old Redfield 3x9. It was on last year but you didn't get a chance to go whack a couple basketball size rocks the night before the hunt this year. You see a nice buck and take an off hand shot and gut shoot him. He jumps into the oak. What do you do?
I'm guessing scenario #2 happens 100 times more often than scenario #1 if not more.
Too many truly shiiity hunters and sportsman out there to slam the Long Range guys. Most of the real long range guys I know could hunt circles around the average Joe. Long range is just an evolution of the craft of hunting that they have chose to pursue.
Or do you take the archers way and let him lay down and eat lunch or head back to camp and come get him later?
How about if he was 150 yards and you're shooting Dads Savage 243 with the old Redfield 3x9. It was on last year but you didn't get a chance to go whack a couple basketball size rocks the night before the hunt this year. You see a nice buck and take an off hand shot and gut shoot him. He jumps into the oak. What do you do?
I'm guessing scenario #2 happens 100 times more often than scenario #1 if not more.
Too many truly shiiity hunters and sportsman out there to slam the Long Range guys. Most of the real long range guys I know could hunt circles around the average Joe. Long range is just an evolution of the craft of hunting that they have chose to pursue.
elkassassin
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It's 82 Degrees in the F'N Shade!
Ya!
Let's try & Find Him Tomorrow!
All that matters anyways is the Rack,Right?
[Font][Font color = "blue"]Ah yes we have insider trading and computer dating but I never goin for that!
Ain't no machine pickin out my Queen cause it may not have all the facts!
I've got my own taste and my own ways I'd rather not talk about
and my private life is my private life and they ain't gonna find out!
Ya!
Let's try & Find Him Tomorrow!
All that matters anyways is the Rack,Right?
[Font][Font color = "blue"]Ah yes we have insider trading and computer dating but I never goin for that!
Ain't no machine pickin out my Queen cause it may not have all the facts!
I've got my own taste and my own ways I'd rather not talk about
and my private life is my private life and they ain't gonna find out!
elkassassin
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Not Quite yet DW!
8,000,000 More Posts & it'll be here!
>Is it October yet?
[Font][Font color = "blue"]Ah yes we have insider trading and computer dating but I never goin for that!
Ain't no machine pickin out my Queen cause it may not have all the facts!
I've got my own taste and my own ways I'd rather not talk about
and my private life is my private life and they ain't gonna find out!
8,000,000 More Posts & it'll be here!
>Is it October yet?
[Font][Font color = "blue"]Ah yes we have insider trading and computer dating but I never goin for that!
Ain't no machine pickin out my Queen cause it may not have all the facts!
I've got my own taste and my own ways I'd rather not talk about
and my private life is my private life and they ain't gonna find out!
joesikora
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Sorry Fmsnioer!
There's a guy on here that I seen him and his buddies videos shooting a steel target out to I think a 1000 yds. Pretty cool, I don't think they hunt like that but it's impressive to be able to hit a target that far
Thanks Joe
"Sometimes you do things wrong for so long you
think their right" - 2001
"I can't argue with honesty" - 2005
-Joe E Sikora
There's a guy on here that I seen him and his buddies videos shooting a steel target out to I think a 1000 yds. Pretty cool, I don't think they hunt like that but it's impressive to be able to hit a target that far
Thanks Joe
"Sometimes you do things wrong for so long you
think their right" - 2001
"I can't argue with honesty" - 2005
-Joe E Sikora
