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h20brdr17

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I am writing this post really for no reason because it is the way of the woods now but hopefully some fellow hunters are seeing the same thing I am ??
I am close to being 50 years old and have hunted my whole life from Upland game to waterfowl to big game and everything in between, I also have a 20 year old son who would rather do nothing more than be in the mountains but I have a huge complaint with the attitudes and the way we as hunters treat each other and it was more visible this past muzzleloader hunt and Elk hunt more than ever, what is wrong with people ? I had gone into my normal hunting spot on the muzzle loader 2 days before the opener and set up my camp the next morning me and my son set out scouting and was gone for the whole day only to return to camp that evening to find a 30 foot wall tent set up no kidding not no more than 20 yards from my tent, before I had a chance to say anything the guy and his son came over to my camp and got very verbally argumentative and like I said I'm almost 50 so I didn't want to kick this old mans ass in front of his son so I took the high road but his reasoning was because he had camped there last year and the firewood left there should have told me it was someone's camp "WHAT"?? since when does it matter that since firewood was left it holds your camp spot for an entire year ?
I am also so sick of pulling up to someone to make conversation and people cant even talk to you because they are so secretive about where and what they are doing, frankly I could give a crap less of your honey holes or so you think, like the old response you get when you ask someone where you hunting and you get the "In the mountains" response, screw off, I remember back in the day hunters stuck together and was a group of guys willing to share the mountains and stories but now it just seems like its all just a bunch of pricks and it sucks for me to say that because I'm trying to teach my son and nephews we need to keep our hunting heritage alive. Like I said there is nothing I hope comes of this post other than all you guys out there thinking your cool or the bee's knees think again because the guy next to you is just as good of hunter as you are, if you put in the time and effort you will be rewarded but in the end if your not it should about the experience not the kill..
 
Wow!! That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Firewood doesn't reserve anything. It sounds like I would have been running my generator all night long and pissing in his gas tank. There are still a lot of great hunters out there, unfortunately we all run into a few that should find another sport.
 
hb17,
About 4 years ago, I had a similar thing happen to me. My son and I set up our tent and went out scouting. When we got back we actually had two camps right next to ours. It was not even a great place to camp, but we were only staying one night and I didn't want to move.
One group was five 20ish guys who immediately got their music blaring. We are talking right at the head of some good deer canyons. The music went on into the night before I had enough bluntly told them to turn it off so we could go to sleep. They continued to play it for another 30 minutes before finally shutting it down, I'm sure just to piss me off.

That pretty well soured my attitude for that hunt and I have since vowed to find more secluded camping spots. That has only happened once, but it only takes one group of idiots to spoil a great outing.

I can smile about it now, but at the time I was ready to riddle their wheelers with 06 lead...kinda like elkass would!!! :)
 
I had a lady tell me my 27' wall tent was two close to her dinky little tent in a camp made for large rigs and horse trailers. I was over 100 yds from her camp with my tent. And it was a packed weekend during the summer. I told her it was public land and I'd been camping there for 14 years. She then told me they were gonna run around naked. I told her go for it. She then turned up her music hoping I'd take my wall tent down. Needless to say she and her husband left an hour later. I try not to get to upset when someone camps near me. It's pretty hard to get away from people in utah when camping. There is a few spots I go were we don't have much company. When people think it needs to be a luke bryan concert on the mountain is when it turns into a real joke. Or in your case firewood claiming a spot.
 
Consider yourself lucky that they didn't steal your tent and replace it with theirs. A few years ago I had a similar situation. My wife and I had had set up our alaknak tent, vestibule, cots, stove, for the entire family. We came back to camp later that evening to find our entire camp was stolen with the exception of my wife's shoes that were laying in the grass and a new camp was set up in its place. I asked the hunters that had set up camp if they saw what happened and they said they hadn't. To this day I still wonder if it was hunters that did the stealing or just some passerby that knew we'd be gone for the day. I've also had someone steal an elk I had shot and tagged right from my camp. Some people/hunters are just plain stupid. We all know that you can't fix stupid!! Sorry that some people have to be jerks.
 
Wow! Some completely amazing stories! These days people's sense of entitlement is plain ridiculous!!!

I hope to never have to deal with a situation like that as I might not be as polite as a few of you!
 
It gets worse every year, just about everywhere, I'm sorry to say.

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Shootem that's nuts that's alot of money they robbed you of and for someone to steal an elk or deer out of someones camp is pretty pathetic as well. I had the same tent the Alaknak was good I think the only thing I regret with it was the fact I bought the 27'. It was quite the chore to put up and tear down just for me and the wife. I think I will buy another one down the road but will buy a 12'x12'. We've got a trailer now but I'd like the 12x12 for some out of state trips or hunts I don't want to bring the trailor.
 
Here the best one Guy tells me he been hunting this spot for 20 yrs. I laugh and tell him I been hunting for 25 years And have never seen him there before. Then he starts WELL I mostly hunt archery and not Muzzy, Dang so do I and I still never seen you here, He just turns and walks away.
Can't Bull$hit a bull$hitter.

If you want to be first up the mountain start at 1AM you want to be second start at 2AM

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Yes indeed it was a lot of monies worth of camping equipment. It was the 13x27 that they stole. Nothing pisses me off more than a damn thief. I can deal with someone being inconsiderate and camping next to me but I feel we should do as in olden days and cut the hands off of thiefs. That'll at least make it so they won't be doing that again. Lol.
 
Had a similar experience this year in Arizona. I was with my mom & dad for archery deer, and while I was out hunting a guy & his wife roll into our camp. They asked my dad when were leaving because they had archery elk tags & wanted to camp in our spot. Archery elk season was still about 10 days out from opening. 2 days later I was out for the evening hunt when I came back to camp they had pulled there trailer in 30 yards form ours & left it. I was pissed & wanted to do some damage to there trailer, but decided to take the high road. I told my parents we needed to leave before they got back or
we were going to have some problems, and since my mom was with us I didn't want her to be in that position. I can't believe people even have the balls to do something like that!! The funny thing is there were several nice camp spots right by where we were. Fricken unbelievable how disrespectful people have become anymore!!!
 
My Grandpa would carve his initials in the roof of the mouth of any animal he shot. He shot a deer and while continuing to hunt for elk someone stole his deer. He drove around camps until he found the deer and took his deer back. This was probably back in the 1950's around Eagle, Co. Funny thing is, he would never give details about how he got his deer back.
 
Dirty grass, the way my dad use to tell of how things were handled back in the day, you may not want the details of how your grandpa got his deer back. That deer thief may very well have your grandpas initials carved in the roof of his mouth:) I agree with most here, respect is certainly on the decline.
 
I set up a 12x14 wall tent two days before a LE elk hunt a few years ago. We were out scouting the day before and when we got back to camp there was another 12x14 wall tent right next to ours. The ropes were actually criss crossing my ropes. lol
The guy proceeded to tell me that he always camps there and that it was his spot and that I should move. I told him he had ten minutes to move his tent or I would move it for him. He took my measure and decided not to try me. I would have moved it!
 
Wow, I'd definitely be getting in the dirt over that even in front of my kids. People have no respect for anything or anyone anymore. Sad
 
Shootem I had that same tent it was a good tent and they aren't cheap. I wish I would have bought 2 stoves for it though.
 
I rarely hunt the same location two years in a row, therefore, when I camp, I almost always camp in a different place. Almost always camp where others have camped before me.

Like the bobcat said, if you want to be the first one up the hill, hunt a ridge or set up a camp........ be the first one on the mountain. You need to leave home a little before the other folks.

Rule of the mountain: The next one up, get's what's left. I've been second on many occasions, it's sucks, so I try very hard to "always" be first, cuz I don't like left overs.

Over the years, last year was the most recent, I've camped where others have wanted to camp, because they have their favorite spot, year after year, but couldn't because I had my camp in before they got there. It can cause a rash on some folks, particularly those that are older and have camped in "their" camp for many years previously. Last year a few comments where made by the old timers, when they arrived and we were already set up. It was in a 70 to 80 yard circular area, we were using about a third of the turf, with our tents, trucks, trailers and camp fire/cooking equipment. After grumbling a little, they backed their 5th wheels and pull trailers into the far end of the camping area and went about their business, as did we.

After two or three days of frustrating glares from each new arrival at the old timer's camp they actually tolerated my stopping each time to visit, as I returned to our camp, they eventually stopped with the hostile looks.

By mid-week all my kids and grandkids had left for home. The old timer's family had all trickled alway as well, so by Weds. or Thurs. it was just he and I left in the camping area. As I was breaking down my wall tent to leave, my camp neighbor wander over to see if I needed any help. In the course of conversation I told him that it was unlikely that we'd be back next year so he would likely be able to step up in his old camping spot.

To my surprise, he said, "oh, it's no big deal, we never set up that far back into the sight anyway, we always park right where we were this year."

I left confused and came to the conclusion they just wanted the entire acre to themselves. Simple as I am, sometimes folks just baffle the hell out of me.

DC
 
I've been hunting the same general area since the 60's so I know of about 10 good campsites. If one is occupied, I go to the next.
I very seldom walk hunt right out of camp.

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Hey, it took me a long time to cut that firewood y'all.

For those of you still needing a tent for this season, please see my ad in the classifieds for my hardly used Alaknak.
 
We've been hunting the same canyon's for 20yrs. This year when we went up there to hunt, and guy told us ha! We've got 26 trail camera's in these 2 canyons and proceed letting us know like it was now there area to hunt. Unreal how ugly some hunting situations have got with competition.
 
We have a cool camp site that we use several times every year. We made some nice benches and a table out of some dead fall. The furniture was there every year for 4 years, until some D-bag used it for fire wood.
 
>My Grandpa would carve his initials
>in the roof of the
>mouth of any animal he
>shot. He shot a deer
>and while continuing to hunt
>for elk someone stole his
>deer. He drove around
>camps until he found the
>deer and took his deer
>back. This was probably
>back in the 1950's around
>Eagle, Co. Funny thing
>is, he would never give
>details about how he got
>his deer back.
I'm wondering how that would work with lock jaw??? It would be tough to check hours or days later... not questioning you just curious...
 
Plus 1 on the trail-cam on your camp. Been doing that for the past couple of years.
A guy I worked with had a buck taken from him at gun point. To make matters worse he got butt stroked and knocked out! That was 20+ years ago!
A few of my hunting buddies and I have had numerous run-ins with idiots while water fowling on gov refuges. That was also years ago in the PRK.
For the past couple of years we have been having issues with an idiot that lost a suit against him in regard to property boundaries. A large area of land that is only accessible by boat had been for years marked as 'private property'. This was challenged by sportsman and we won. This idiot for the past couple of years has tried to intimidate hunters (often successfully!) into believing they are trespassing. The fool tried this with me and a couple of others I know on different occasions. He was smart enough to stay on his land and not attempt to follow through with his tough-guy threats. He could probably of whooped my old arse but his alligator mouth would have surely got his canary ass whooped by the other two fellows!
Norkal

"One can take my life but not my faith or my
confidence. I fear none and respect all."
 
I'm Tellin Ya Boys!

Some of these People have been Couped up next to each other for so long they make it standard practice on the Mountain too!








Back Me Off to 1,700 Yards,650 is a Little Close & I'm Not Comfortable with it!

A GUT SHOT at 1,700 Yards will Still Make Some Good BRAGGIN Rights so I Can Say I At Least Hit Him!


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People just suck now days. Sad to know the old hunting lifestyle is getting replaced by typical millennial faggot ass BS. Too many people feel entitled to crap now days and it has even trickled over into hunting. For all these reasons this is why my brother and I now put in for pretty crappy low density hunts here in New Mexico. No competition from other hunters. Fewer animals harder to find but when we do find them we usually find some real toads. God bless all the truly old school hunters and families. There are still a lot of us out here.
 
NORKALNIMROD, After 20 years has the guy you worked with recovered from the "butt stroking"?

Also was he knocked out before or after the "butt stroking"?

Sorry,,

Anybody else?
 
Just read the entire thread. I feel bad that so many good folks have had so many bad experiences while out camping and hunting.

I think it is important understand the unspoken rules of camping etiquette. I also feel it should be mentioned in the proclamation for hunters. If the DWR does not support the "first come, first serve" standard by some documentation in the proclamation, then it does not give any of us a leg to stand on, except being left to solve our own problems that could potentially go South in a hurry. I worry every year that someone will be in the camp spot I like to set up in for elk camp. I try to get there as early as work permits. But I am prepared to walk away and find another less desirable spot if someone beat me to it. I know public land gives me no more right than the person before me or next to me to claim a camping place. Therefore, I am prepared to camp or hunt elsewhere if the spots I had in mind are taken.

BTW, this year we chopped a lot of wood for our week long elk camping adventure, but I tagged out early in the hunt. Therefore, according to the first post, I should have claim to that spot next year because of all the work I put in to chopping wood, cleaning camp, and reinforcing the meat pole right?! Haha! JK. someone else will enjoy the benefits of my hard work during some other hunt or camp and that is totally fine with me. These public lands are ours to share and enjoy, not fight over.
 
Sorry, its public land and unfortunately assholes come with it....its called inconsiderate no class idiots that think they are better an owed any camping they choose....so Sad....

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I like BLooDTRaCKeR's idea about putting a few things in the proclamation. It would be great to have it in writing that a blind or tree stand doesn't reserve the spot for you. etc. etc.
 
I got a good story..This weekend in Idaho.Hiked some wilderness with a buddy. Got back to the trailhead completely exhausted. Took boots and packs off and was resting.Stranger walks over frm a camp in the trees with 2 ice cold beers and says it looks like we need em. He was an Idaho resident, we were frm a state a little further south.Thanx for the Pbr's, can't wait to try the same thing. BH1
 
>I got a good story..This weekend
>in Idaho.Hiked some wilderness with
>a buddy. Got back to
>the trailhead completely exhausted. Took
>boots and packs off and
>was resting.Stranger walks over frm
>a camp in the trees
>with 2 ice cold beers
>and says it looks like
>we need em. He was
>an Idaho resident, we were
>frm a state a little
>further south.Thanx for the Pbr's,
>can't wait to try the
>same thing. BH1


THAT is how it should be!
 
Like someone posted; it's this new genreration of Millennials - You Tube Hunters. They think they are entitled and have no sense mountain manners. They are just plain stupid and don't think before they open their mouths. You should have taught him a lesson.
 
Go ahead and group all Millennials into the same category if you're so inclined, you're wrong though. The original poster even said the guy was "an old man" so its clearly not unique to Millennials. I can guarantee that Millennials are doing just as much if not more for Public Lands and Conservation than our previous generations.

Sure, there are some jacka$$ Millennials out there, just as many jacka$$ Baby Boomers too. By the way, who raised and taught the current generation of Millennials? Hmmm



Hunt Hard. Shoot Straight. Kill Clean. Apologize to No One.
 
I will say I've met more good people on the mtn. than bad. I have had beers with total strangers back at the trailhead. And I have had some good people share camps with me. And the lady I posted about earlier was not a hunter that tried to tell me where I could and couldnt put my wall tent. She was a lettuce eatin b!tch. Last night I was BS'n with a couple buddies, they had been hunting the north slope GS Elk. And they talked to a couple guys that had two elk stolen out of their camp. I hope the jack a55es got caught.

"We don't have a gun problem we have prescription drug problem."
 
I agree, I don't think it's a generational/age group issue at all. These kinds of things have gone as far back as I can remember. Some folks just want what they want, without regard for anyone else, most don't even realized they are doing it, it is just a way of life. I'll bet the same folks drive angry, hate their boss, remind everyone who will listen how stupid everyone else is, etc, etc. Most folks are great but the few that aren't leave a dent.

D.C.
 
I think people should show respect when it comes to invading the reasonable space of another camper, but how many of you grumblers are doing the same when you camp over the 16 day limit. Sometimes campers cannot find a decent spot because of the trailer being left unattended for weeks to save a spot. I believe the law states that your trailer needs to be attended sometime during a 24 hour period. Nothing makes me as mad as a trailer being left in the mountains in the same spot for most of the summer and I see it all of the time. In the old days with Utah at one million it really wasn't an issue, but today it is a big issue. Quit breaking the law - Get in and stay your 16 days and get - Let someone else use it. I can hears some of you now who have extended hunts. BUT, BUT, BUT.
 
I totally hear you Cannonball, Monroe is bad for this, just trying to find a place to camp for the muzzy hunt is a joke anymore because all the locals leave an empty trailer sitting in every campsite. Maybe next year I'll bring my tow chain. Or a box of stick matches:)
 
When you head up with your tow chain and matches, let me know, I'll pick up cannonball and we'll follow you up. We'd love to get some UTube footage for ya. :D. That'll teach'em by golly.

D.C.
 
Don't just blame it on to just the locals. A big share of them are from SLC and Utah Counties. I talked to a couple of camps who said they were from Northern Utah. They leave the trailer and come back on weekends. One specific camp leaves their motorhome there before the archery hunt and leaves it there until after the deer hunt. There are other trailers with that bunch coming and going for three months. They are there year after year. Talk about city dudes encroaching - they are it.
 
Lumpy, you have to know I'm not serious about the stick matches, but it really does frost my a$$ to get on the mountain and see an empty trailer in every campsite and they haven't even dropped the leveling jacks. And, I head up the Friday before the muzz and never see a soul around those camps until the next Friday, after the hunt is open. And cannonball, knowing how protective you are of Your mountain, I really don't care to debate whether it's the locals or the 801 guys pulling this crap. You have your opinion, I'll stick with mine.
 
>How would I know that?
>
>

Because you seem a pretty intelligent sort, probably capable of knowing that if I were serious about damaging property, I wouldn't announce it on the internet. And you might also have guessed the little smiley after the comment would indicate some sarcasm on my part?
 
Shadow, I realize a lot of locals are not innocent, but if you don't think there are plenty of 801 violators you have your head in the sand.
 
When my oldest son was young, and would be out looking for camping spots, he would spot a camp somewhere, the only camp anywhere around, and he would say "there is a camp, let's go camp by them".

Of course, I don't go out in the hills to camp next to anyone I don't know, but for some reason, he thought that would be a good idea.

The Grays River country is really getting bad for "squatters" leaving trailers in all the best places all summer and fall with nobody around using them most of the time.
 
Actually I think the worst offender is the dedicated hunters. They show up before the archery hunt and leave after the regular hunt.
 
I think you may be onto something there as far as dedicated hunters cannonball. And whether it's the 801 or the 435 guys pulling most of this squatting BS, it's probably six one way and a half dozen the other. You bring the chain, I'll bring the matches and Lumpy can bring the camera:).
 
Tempting for sure. I see all these city, county, state, and federal laws. I just wish they would enforce them or get rid of them. 16 days of a camping in one spot max is the law and the person need to occupy every 24 hours.

Seems everybody shut up when this part of the topic is being discussed. I wonder how many on the blog who have complained about others moving in on top of them were over the stay limit. If they were over that 16 days, they deserved close company.
 
Shadow, I'm sure you don't know this but the Monroe is Lumpy's back yard, and he loves his back yard.

Joe

"Sometimes you do things wrong for so long you
think their right" - 2001
"I can't argue with honesty" - 2005
-Joe E Sikora
 
Actually Joe I do know these guys are locals, that's why I threw in the little 435 jab, all in good fun though. A lot of very good people down that way. I consider it my backyard as well though after tromping around that mountain for the last 30 years and it has gotten really bad far as people just squatting on empty camps. Really ruffles my feathers.
 
Oh I can imagine

Joe

"Sometimes you do things wrong for so long you
think their right" - 2001
"I can't argue with honesty" - 2005
-Joe E Sikora
 
New kid in town i have been lurking in the shadows for sometime finally decided to join in the fun, this topic relay hits home.
I have two stores one Taught me a lesson and the other allowed me a chance to learn from the first lesson.
A few years back me and my 12 year old son had camp set up on the Utah Archery hunt we had a 25 foot camp trailer we wear staying in. On opening morning we got up before light and went out hunting and returning around noon. When we pulled into camp there was another camp set up the tent was not 15 feet away from are trailer i growled and maid my mind up not to stand for this. As we settled into camp and made lunch i was determined to get this camp leach to leave. After about an hour and lunch put away i went over and started my generator that was 20 feet farther away than the leaches tent all the time i had noticed only one man and no one else. After about four hours of being rude and obnoxious i had determined he was alone and he looked like a man that could take care of himself [not noticing all the young boy toys and other equipment meant for a young child remember i was consumed with this leach] so i proceeded to ask him to find some other place to camp i Evan suggested some places he could go. As he went to take down his tent he woke up his young son [around 6 years old] and told him they needed to move there camp the young boy did not understand why he could not stay there and make friends and while all this was going on i looked down at my son and i could tell from the look on his face he did not understand why they had to move there camp. All the while i was consumed with this camp leach i never had thought of what i was teaching my boy i had not Evan try to explained the situation to my son I had not talked to the man to see what his thoughts wear and why he felt the need to camp so close by. As he drove away in his SUV or Crossover what ever you call them cars, it was obvious he probably was not much of a outdoors-man not that i am some great outdoors-man but i could of maybe helped make the weakened camp out for this young boy and father a little better and most of all could have did the right thing with my son there to learn from a positive experience. I am not saying it is OK for someone to intrude on someones camp or leave there camp set up for months on end but we all think a little different and maybe if we stop and notice the small things [IE: The young boys toys or the lack of proper camping equipment] we might have a great experience maybe like Buckhunter1.
Story two tomorrow: Did i learn my lesson.

[We all make mistakes we hope someone gives a chance to correct them]
 
BECOMING A SQUATTER!!!!!!!!!!

So!

Same Thing Happens around Here!

Oh!

By the Way I'm a 435'er!

My 5th Wheel is rarely used anymore!

But I'm becoming a WUSS!

The Drainage I'll be in has very Few Places you can Park a Trailer/Camp Spots!

One of the locals parked one of their Trailers in one of the Camp Spots a Month+ Early so they'd have it for the General Elk Hunt!

The Forest Service Has Closed the 2 Campgrounds over a Month ago that have Camp/Park Places Big enough for a 5th Wheel!

The Small Campground that is still open is the Dinkiest Thing You've ever seen!

GAWD I Miss that Old 10' Camp Trailer!:D

So?

Do I Try & CROWD in on a Fellow Sportsman/Hunter?

Or Try & Crowd in to a Campground where My Rig Doesn't Fit?

Do I Do what a Coloradian did to me a few years ago & set Camp Up 3' from theirs?

Think I'm gonna Buy me an Old BEATER Trailer & Just start Pulling id up in the Spring & Leave it there till November!

Or Just leave it there Year around & Rent it out when I'm not using it!:D













Back Me Off to 1,700 Yards,650 is a Little Close & I'm Not Comfortable with it!

A GUT SHOT at 1,700 Yards will Still Make Some Good BRAGGIN Rights so I Can Say I At Least Hit Him!


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RE: BECOMING A SQUATTER!!!!!!!!!!

Have a supply of, "YOU HAVE EXCEEDED THE 16 DAY LIMIT - PLEASE MOVE YOUR TRAILER IMMEDIATELY" signs. Then park next to him. :)
 
unfortunately, even hunters aren't immune from societies poisonous attitudes. used to be that fellow hunters were the nicest bunch of people you would ever hope to meet. not the case anymore. damn shame!
 
>Lumpy, you have to know I'm
>not serious about the stick
>matches, but it really does
>frost my a$$ to get
>on the mountain and see
>an empty trailer in every
>campsite and they haven't even
>dropped the leveling jacks. And,
>I head up the Friday
>before the muzz and never
>see a soul around those
>camps until the next Friday,
>after the hunt is open.
>And cannonball, knowing how protective
>you are of Your mountain,
>I really don't care to
>debate whether it's the locals
>or the 801 guys pulling
>this crap. You have your
>opinion, I'll stick with mine.
>

You guys act like there's some diving line of north vs south once you leave juab county. We are in the same state people. This isn't Idaho vs Utah or California vs Utah. It's Utah, we should be able to feel welcome in any part of the state no matter the zip code or area code. Getting pissed cuz an 801'er is hunting in the 435 is freakin stupid. Right there explains a whole bunch on your mentality and probably a giant reason we are even having this discussion in the first place. Get over it. Just because those mountare 5 minutes from your drive way does not mean you have more right to that hill than a guy who drove 5 hours to hunt there as well.
 
Sorry said i was going to post my second story the other day got busy and then went hunting.
story two Did I Learn my Lesson
A year ago me and my boy him now 16 set up camp the Thursday before Labor Day weekend we had Utah archery spike/cow permits. Are camp consisted of a small 15 foot in closed trailer we hauled a atv in and then unloaded the atv and through down some sleeping pads and sleeping bags for are nights stay. The camp area was on the small side but that was OK we did not need much room for such a small camp setup and we did not plan to be in camp much through the weakened. By Friday night the canyon we where camped in had became a zoo of camps and people my son maide the comment they should close the road so no one else would waste there time coming up the 15 miles and not finding a camp site well on Saturday night upon arriving after dark at camp we discover a 25 foot camp trailer set up right up against are in closed trailer it took up every bit of space there was in that tight camp spot infact we could not even park the truck at the camp sight with out being out on the access road. Well my son says what are we going to do about this so I took a minute to gather my thoughts and said I am sure they could not find anywhere else to camp and also we are not going to be around much except to sleep so let's make the best of the situation. We pulled the truck up against the trailer as close as we could and got it enough off of the road so no one would hit it and then started to prepare dinner. I had noticed the truck that must have pulled the trailer was not around but someone was in the trailer soon a lady came out and apologized for crowding in are camp sight she said they had looked for another spot but could not find anything she seemed nice enough and I could understand the situation she mentioned that her husband had went back out to the main road to meet there son who was coming from BYU where he attended college with his newlywed wife and that they had archery elk permits. So I assumed it would be wife husband and maybe newlywed wife NO! When the husband and son and newlywed wife appeared also with them is little sister and three femal BYU Zoobees I should had noticed the 8 tinfoil dinners that the mother had placed in the fire pit while we where talking before they all showed up and realized that there would be few more than I had figured to stay in camp. It turned out to be a good camp myself and the father and the son would stay up until after midnight telying stores and talking about all kinds of issues I had quiet a bit in common with them and it was also quiet fun to ribe them BYU Zoobees about there football team seeing I am a Ute fan and it was just a week away from the holy war witch we have now won 7 straight. All and all I think I have learned a lesson or two through out my life and I am sure I will have to learn a few more lessons before I am done so thanks for letting me share my store's with you and I don't know if I will be the most diligent poster but I will try and be part of some of the conversations. Thanks

Remember we all make mistakes we just hope someone will give us a chance to learn from them.
 
Deerkiller,

You need to read back. I could care less where your from - in-state or out. I was responding to the blogger who thinks all those trailers out there are locals. I know different - I know that some are from Northern Utah. I also know a lot are locals. My objection, where ever the person(s) are from, is those who set the trailer in the mountains and leaving it over the 16 period. Or leave it unattended over 24 hours. If you are one of those I hope you get pinched.
 
Hello notdonhunting!

Welcome to the forum. I wanted to thank you for sharing your posts and experiences. Your first story was especially thought provoking for me. I decided I am going to be a bit more patient, and try to understand people a bit more in those kind of circumstances. I do think that growing up in a place like Utah with SO much public land, and space, and wide open camping available spoils most of us. Also, I have noticed that the same mentality seems to carry over into driving, and road rage there in many parts of the wide open US. I guess it's just that our ?personal space? boundaries become much larger when we have SO much space around?
I have spent most of my adult life living abroad, and most of that in he big cites of Asia. I remember my first ?camping? experience in Asia quite well! The next camp was literally 6 inches away! And that was the norm, and nobody got upset, or territorial, or even felt crowded for that matter. In fact, I think that there was a sense of safety and security, mixed with comeraderie with everyone there.

Maybe the fellow and his son from your first experience were city folks? Anyway, thanks for the posts, and I think it may help me be a little kinder in the future, which is never a bad thing.
 
By the way, you can always tell where the trailer come from. If the door is un-locked that is a 435'er, but if it is locked it is a 801'er. :)
 
>By the way, you can always
>tell where the trailer come
>from. If the door
>is un-locked that is a
>435'er, but if it is
>locked it is a 801'er.
> :)


Cannonball, It's gotta be all 801 guys then because the locals keep their door shut with tie wire:)
 

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