ETHICAL? YOU DECIDE!!!

elkassassin

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Been Stompin around trying to find the NOMAD Buck!

Before I Post the Rest of the Story I wanna say this:

Yes,there are some UN-ETHICAL Rifle Hunters!

Yes,there are some UN-ETHICAL SmokePolers!

I didn't find the NOMAD Buck,Don't even think He Exists anymore?

Anyways I'm Stompin around in the High Country & I Find a dead PISSCUTTER Buck!

On a Closer Look I see an Arrow!

Sure Enough!

A F'N Field Tip!

The Buck must of been shot at fairly Close Range!

The Arrow(Tip!) went through the Rib Cage & this little Buck Limped off & Died in Agony due to ____________________________ (You Fill in the Blank here!)

Nuff Said!

NO,I'm not THRASHIN Ethical Archery Hunters!

But JUDAS!











I used to know of places worth Hiking in to for Elk & Deer!
Thanks to Illegal Bastards & the USFS not enforcing Rules you can Zing in to them Places on Wheelers now & not see a Damn thing!
But by GAWD it don't take long for them U-Tards to get there with all the Unethical BS and the New Technology!
 
>A Utard stick flipper??





You said it boz,not me!:D









I used to know of places worth Hiking in to for Elk & Deer!
Thanks to Illegal Bastards & the USFS not enforcing Rules you can Zing in to them Places on Wheelers now & not see a Damn thing!
But by GAWD it don't take long for them U-Tards to get there with all the Unethical BS and the New Technology!
 
A stupid ignorant kid needing a switch across his arse first followed by a boot or 2 up the patootie.

"Courage is being scared to death but saddling up anyway."
 
I'm just waitin for the day a Fellow Sportsman catches them doing this kinda Crap,Gives em a Good Ole Ass-Whoopin before the DWR gets Involved!

Ya,I know,I'm Wrong & it wouldn't be PC!












I used to know of places worth Hiking in to for Elk & Deer!
Thanks to Illegal Bastards & the USFS not enforcing Rules you can Zing in to them Places on Wheelers now & not see a Damn thing!
But by GAWD it don't take long for them U-Tards to get there with all the Unethical BS and the New Technology!
 
Disappointing but not surprising. there are idiots everywhere; people shooting at deer with 22s, shotguns with birdshot, 1000 yd shots offhand, etc.
 
It really amazes me how stupid people are.
I hope I have taught my boys better!

Things I saw this last week that just drive me nuts!

-3 TVs sitting on the side hill used as targets and left.
-A guy shooting at a deer from at least 600 yards beyond me, and I was 527 yards away...of course he was shooting over my head.
-Every single sign shot, in an area I went into. YES EVERY SIGN

On and on.

I am some times embarrassed by my hunting peer group.

Why would anyone shoot a deer with a field point??? or a duck, or a....
 
You cant teach a man to be that stupid, it just comes natural. Its a shame to hear that stuff like that really happens.
 
The ones I hate are the people who shoot a buck from the road and say I missed it didn't drop dead on the spot and don't even look for blood. On my muzzleloader hunt I had this lady who did just that I come around a corner like 4 seconds after hearing the blast, the lady is dead center in the road on Strawberry ridge, I ask her if she hit the buck and she said no I missed. Go down the road 20 yards and the buck and two does are crossing (same direction she said the deer was heading) the small spike by two had a wound on its hind end. She gut shot the damn thing and didn't even look for blood because the deer didn't drop over and die on the spot. Seriously, so I parked and went after the little buck, had on shot in the trees and needless to say the buck was still alive after it as he ran like hell. Never had a second shot at him, nor did I hear of anyone else taking him. So maybe best case he has a non fatal wound and will live after a long painful healing process. But chances are he is just like the buck with the arrow. I hate people who don't do their best to find the animal after the shot, you must look for blood if you shoot you owe the animal that much. If you don't see a hit, and don't see blood then don't track but always check for signs of a hit even if you think its a clear miss.
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-27-13 AT 07:17PM (MST)[p]It amazes me that in my 25 years, my Dad's 55 years, my cousins 30 years, my uncles 60 years, basically everybody that is in my immediate circle of friends and family combined which equals a ridiculous amount of time in the woods hunting, not one of us has ever stumbled across a carcass that has had an arrow laying in or around it to prove a stick flipper shot it. On the flipside Bobcat seems to have the best luck finding and seeing animals/carcass's with arrows stuck in them every time he goes out into the hills. It just doesn't seem to add up to me...? Maybe I need to spend less time on this website and out in the hills to find one of these elusive Arrow Carcass bucks, by damned now that would be a trophy better than any 200" buck or 380" bull! These Arrow Carcass bucks must just be extremely elusive critters where I hunt......
 
Bocephus So your amazed big deal! Nobody gives a shi#. I'll say this if Bobcat said he found a arrowed buck carcus. Then by Gawd I'd kiss your ass till ya barked like a fox in town square and give ya ten days to draw crowd if he didn't find a arrowed buck. Now stfu!
Rutnbuck
 
Well Bocephus!

It was a first for me! (PISSCUTTER with a 'Field Tip'!)

You know what a Field Tip is Right?

You'll have to show me where I said I find them every time I go out?

An Arrow Carcass Buck would be better than a 200" Buck Huh?

Better than a 380" Bull Huh?

So Bocephus?

What you're saying is:

This kinda BS never Happens?

There's never been a Buck hit with an Arrow that was still in the Buck when He hit the Ground/Expired?

There's No JACK-ASSES in the Field Shootin Shhiitt up with Field Tips thinking it's Funny?

There's no JACK-ASSES shootin Cattle Thinkin it's Funny?

Well Bocephus,to top it off,went back out tonight & found another dead Deer,I'll start another thread,Please Read it!

Yes,2 Dead Deer in one Day,One Old,one killed within the last couple days by a Fricken Rifle Hunter/Game Thief!










I used to know of places worth Hiking in to for Elk & Deer!
Thanks to Illegal Bastards & the USFS not enforcing Rules you can Zing in to them Places on Wheelers now & not see a Damn thing!
But by GAWD it don't take long for them U-Tards to get there with all the Unethical BS and the New Technology!
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-27-13 AT 11:14PM (MST)[p]Bocephus- Same here with me and my kinsfolk. Not to question Bobcat/elkasssasin's findings. Maybe he just hunts in an area where all the resident hunters are children of downwinders.
 
If you really have to take a poll on whether or not it is ethical or not to shoot an animal with a damned field tip, you'd better be signing yourself up for the next available hunter safety course. And every one on here that bad mouths another hunters choice of tackle needs kicked in the damn mouth and spurs ran across their fkn gums. "Sportsmen" that bad mouth other hunters do just as much bad to our sport just like all the animal rights nut jobs and animal activist do. Everywhere you go, no matter the state, no matter the quarry, no matter the hunting tackle, YOU WILL find window licking individuals that have absolutely no right in hell hunting, trapping, shooting or even being out riding ATV's. It's a sad day and age and it's only going to get worse. All you can do is attempt to educate our youth in ethical ways of being outdoors.
 
Hey RedPost!

Figured I'd let all the MM Pro's/The StickFlippin Boys that see No Wrong Decide for themselves rather than Me Rippin some Ass!

Most Archery Hunters are some Touchy Bastages!

We Hear about Moo-Cows being Shot every year!

Yes by way of all Weapons!(Not just Arrows!)

A local Rancher had a Cow Shot on the Wasatch/Strawberry this Fall!

Must take a Real Hunter to Shoot a Moo Cow Huh?

I call em exactly as I see them!

If it was killed with an Arrow,then Yes a 'So Called' Archery Hunter be liable,Yes you can lose an animal with any weapon,but a F'N Field Tip?

The other Thread I Posted,that be a Fricken LOW-LIFE Rifle Hunter responsible on that Deer!











I used to know of places worth Hiking in to for Elk & Deer!
Thanks to Illegal Bastards & the USFS not enforcing Rules you can Zing in to them Places on Wheelers now & not see a Damn thing!
But by GAWD it don't take long for them U-Tards to get there with all the Unethical BS and the New Technology!
 
Bessy, is right about some a$$es not being able to control themselves, and being poor sportsmen. Bess knows myself and my family archery hunt Elk and sometimes Deer, He has commented on several of my threads about the topic in a positive manner. He probably understands we are ethical. I too have seen time after time people that are unethical and they put a bad taste in the mouth's of the public in general. I have heard the news reports about the hunters that leave this animal here or shoot up farm equipment there and so on...... When I teach our Hunter Ed. Class, I tell the Students when they hear about the Hunter that left the dead Deer on someones private property.,Or the Hunter who shot the road sign, or left trash at the campsight. That the reporting sorce is just useing "Hunters" to sell the story. It was a poacher that left the Deer, a Vandel who shot the sign and a litterbug who left the trash. A true Hunter does'nt do these things. And as Hunters we go the extra mile to avoid "painting" our sport this way
 
No RutCrazed I don't have Pics!

I don't pack a Camera!

But after this year I just might leave My Weapons Home & Start Packing a Camera!

Some of these MM'ers would still Call me on it even if I had Pics!

If We had more People/Sportsmen like Stonefly & Family around we'd have a lot less problems in the Woods And I'd feel much Safer!

Un-Fricken-Believable what You'll see during a Hunt!

I know We only see a Fraction of what really goes on!

But to Find/See what I ran in to in just one day is enough to make me SICK!

As Stonefly mentioned:

Real Hunters don't do this kinda BS!













I used to know of places worth Hiking in to for Elk & Deer!
Thanks to Illegal Bastards & the USFS not enforcing Rules you can Zing in to them Places on Wheelers now & not see a Damn thing!
But by GAWD it don't take long for them U-Tards to get there with all the Unethical BS and the New Technology!
 
>>Pic?
>>
>>Rut
>
>
>I will finish that comment for
>ya...
>
>"Or it didn't happen."


I Guess I'm seeing things in the Field that didn't really happen?

Refer to Post number 10 JACK-ASS!












I used to know of places worth Hiking in to for Elk & Deer!
Thanks to Illegal Bastards & the USFS not enforcing Rules you can Zing in to them Places on Wheelers now & not see a Damn thing!
But by GAWD it don't take long for them U-Tards to get there with all the Unethical BS and the New Technology!
 
For those that can't comprehend the sights that Bessy comes across in his stomping grounds, you need a little more background. See Bessy lives in the Basin. It's kind of a unique place in that it's inhabited by indians, crackheads and oilfield trash. Picture if you will the movie "Deliverance" with Burt Reynolds. Not John Voight type characters, but "squeal like a pig" hillbilly yokels with banjo music playing in the background.

If you don't believe me, just take a drive down mainstreet Vernal or Roosevelt. Roll down the windows if you like Banjo music.

So cut Bess some slack. He's just a product of his environment. If you think what they do to the wildlife is bad out there, just ask him to tell you some sheep stories.
 
LOL Bob!

They'd never believe the Sheep Stories!

Without Pic's of Course!:D

And I Ain't got any of them Pic's Either!













I used to know of places worth Hiking in to for Elk & Deer!
Thanks to Illegal Bastards & the USFS not enforcing Rules you can Zing in to them Places on Wheelers now & not see a Damn thing!
But by GAWD it don't take long for them U-Tards to get there with all the Unethical BS and the New Technology!
 
Sorry Elk, I just couldn't resist. You should though, take a camera for situations just like this. Could help fish and game nail the goon tard. Or at the very least call an officer.

My guess? It is a damn kid.
 
>Sorry Elk, I just couldn't resist.
>You should though, take a
>camera for situations just like
>this. Could help fish and
>game nail the goon tard.
>Or at the very least
>call an officer.
>
>My guess? It is a damn
>kid.

Well lineguy?

I haven't a Clue?

If it was my Kid He'd get His Ass Kicked & wouldn't be Hunting!

I just can't see Blaming it on a Kid!

Whoever it was, was old enough to know better!

We got enough Problems with U-TARD Deer Herds without this kinda BS going on!

I'd like to GUT SHOOT the SOB that pulled this off with a Field Tip!

Remember when it used to be an Eye for an Eye?















I used to know of places worth Hiking in to for Elk & Deer!
Thanks to Illegal Bastards & the USFS not enforcing Rules you can Zing in to them Places on Wheelers now & not see a Damn thing!
But by GAWD it don't take long for them U-Tards to get there with all the Unethical BS and the New Technology!
 
When I used to bowhunt it was not uncommon to see someone with an arrow with different color/type fletching in his quiver. It was usually a field tip used for varmints, small game, practice, etc. I seem to remember a story of someone grabbing the wrong arrow when shooting at a deer.
Not an excuse, not a justification,
just something that "might" have happened.
 
I will tell you one thing that I had happen this year that I have never had happen before in all the years that I have hunted. My father and I were sitting at the base of a big canyon/bowl that we like to hunt due to all of the cover and deer highways that are in the buck brush that cannot be seen or even noticed unless you have gotten up there and hiked through this area before. Perfect habitat for a public land hunt and an area that draws deer to it, especially after they have been pushed a bit, due to all of the cover. We had glassed up a couple of bucks up the canyon and were discussing a plan on how to get myself up there into a good shooting position without alerting all of the other deer in the canyon and thus spooking the one that I wanted clean out of there before I even had a chance when I noticed these two guys coming up behind us. They came up behind us and must have noticed that we were glassing the area and actively hunting this canyon and stopped about 40-50 yards behind us. They seemed to be discussing between the two of them what they were going to do and I leaned over to my dad and said to him something to the point of, great, here we go again. These two are going to walk around us and go right up there and spook everything clean out of here and it will be at least another couple of days before something comes back into this canyon. Not long after I said that, one of the two approached us and as I noticed it he had a little look that I had recognized myself having before. He approached us and then told us who he was and he told us that he was up in this canyon the night before with his buddy. He proceeded to tell us that they were glassing up there the night before and had seen a buck that he wanted to take. He then headed up there where the buck was at and his buddy stayed behind to watch the everything go down. He got up to the spot where he had seen the buck and it had taken him longer than he thought it would(this canyon can be very steep and is a very nasty one to walk through in most spots), and all of the sudden he spotted the buck. He pulled up his gun and put the sights on the deer and pulled the trigger. He only remembered seeing the deer sort of spin and then it disappeared. His buddy said he saw it run over to an area of the hill and he then lost it. He looked for blood the rest of the night until he could not look any longer(well after dark) and then they decided that they had done all that they were able to do that night. Well he had come back in the morning and was there asking me and my dad if it was ok for him to go up the hill and look where he shot the deer and see if they could find any blood. I instantly told him that doing that was way more important than any deer on the hoof and that finding a wounded deer or a downed deer was more important than what I was doing so to go ahead and do what he needed to do. He then grabbed his buddy and headed up the hill. I told him I would keep my eyes peeled and let him know if I saw his deer come out or anywhere. (I also joked about yelling duck, or something like that, but had already told my dad that our hunt in the canyon was done until these gentlemen were done and off the hill. The last thing I would have wanted is to compromise finding their possibly wounded deer) His buddy did not have a rifle so I assumed that he was a spectator or had already filled his tag, but either way they both seemed like good guys. They must have spent a couple of hours up there looking for blood. I kept an eye on the deer that we were after, as well as on them and around them for any sign of their downed deer. They finally gave up on finding blood, but they had covered half of that one side of the hill and had even wandered over into the next draw over checking for any sign of blood or downed animal. They came down the mountain and left us to our hunt. Of course, the two bucks that I had decided that I would shoot and that were good enough for me to go up that frickin hill after had snuck around the hill from them and hightailed it out of the draw, along with a handful of other deer, but we did not mind one bit. I don't think that the two gentlemen had seen any of the deer. If they did, they did not react at all to them and were more worried about the deer that they thought they had wounded. Anyway, my point is, I had never seen that before in other hunters. I have hunted in every weapon hunt that we have(not every area, just with all the weapons and their applicable season) and have seen it many times with every weapon where people take a shot and don't follow up to see if they had hit it. Hell, one time I even saw a guy flip and arrow at a deer that was running full head of steam, and wounded it(at least that was obvious to me, from several hundred yards away through a spotter), go over to where the deer was running and look for his arrow in the area that it would have landed had he missed and not where the deer was running, and then get pissed off when he could not find his arrow, but never go and check to see the one other place it could have been-----in the damn deer! The other thing that was good about these guys is that I never did see them again in that area, or any other for that matter, the rest of the hunt. We stayed the entire hunt and these guys either had to leave and go back to work or something, but I like to think that the guy notched his tag and left simply because he was sure that he had hit the deer, though he could not find it or any sign that it had been hit. That was something that I had never seen before and I applaud their actions and dedication to come back and follow up with the shot, even when they could not find anything indicating that he had hit the deer the evening before, except the thought in his head that he saw it spin sort of like it was hit before it ran off. Though it kind of spoiled my plans for the mid morning and afternoon and maybe even the evening, depending on how long it took me to get into position and get a good shot on either of the bucks that we had spotted, I will gladly let someone do what he did, any day of the week. I would do it again as well if I had to do it over again. I also got the feeling that if I had told the guy that I did not want him going up there because I had spotted something and didn't want him spoiling my own hunt, he would have hung back as long as it took(though it looked as if it would have eaten him up to do that). That, ladies and gentlemen, is what I call integrity. That may be something foreign to a lot of people, including some "hunters", but those that have it and respect it can surely spot it in another very easily, especially when it is so rare as it is today. Heck, last year on opening morning, my group(myself, two brothers, and Dad) got up and out of camp extra early to ensure that we had this spot before anyone else, and sure enough we did. We spread out and positioned ourselves where we thought we would have the best chances to see or sneak in on a deer that we spot, when about 9 am this father and his two young boys came up behind us and then walked right in the middle of us and proceeded to walk strait out in front of us up the canyon and go walking through the brush that we were glassing and then over one of the hills into the next canyon and then circled back around and sat about 75 yards from my brother. I half way expected that this year too, but was pleasantly surprised in what happened with these two gentlemen(we saw the same dad and two kids this year too, except they found a road on the other side of the draw and hiked over the top and down half way through the draw and over to where they sat last year....what a awesome example to set and thing to teach your young ones hu!). There are still some good people out there though guys, don't give up all hope on all of our fellow hunters just yet, though the good ones may be getting fewer and farther between! I guess that was a long enough post to hold me over for a while. Ill keep my mouth shut for another couple of months:).
 
>When I used to bowhunt it
>was not uncommon to see
>someone with an arrow with
>different color/type fletching in his
>quiver. It was usually
>a field tip used for
>varmints, small game, practice, etc.
> I seem to remember
>a story of someone grabbing
>the wrong arrow when shooting
>at a deer.
>Not an excuse, not a justification,
>
>just something that "might" have happened.
>

That SPLAINS IT projp!

It'd be kinda like me having my Rifle sighted in with 140 Grain Slugs but mixing some 250 Grain Slugs in with the rest of my Ammo & just Grab whatever is Handy!

Just RAZZIN Ya!

Your Theory is Possible I Guess!















I used to know of places worth Hiking in to for Elk & Deer!
Thanks to Illegal Bastards & the USFS not enforcing Rules you can Zing in to them Places on Wheelers now & not see a Damn thing!
But by GAWD it don't take long for them U-Tards to get there with all the Unethical BS and the New Technology!
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-29-13 AT 10:40PM (MST)[p]shootin: That was a nice story. I agree. Especially with your last two sentences.

Edit: sorry, past my bed time.
 
>When I used to bowhunt it
>was not uncommon to see >someone with an arrow with
>different color/type fletching in his
>quiver. It was usually
>a field tip used for
>varmints, small game, practice, etc.
> I seem to remember
>a story of someone grabbing
>the wrong arrow when shooting
>at a deer.
>Not an excuse, not a justification,
>
>just something that "might" have happened.
>


Exactly!! I quit carrying stump shooter arrows for this reason. The guy was probably sick when he realized what he did.
 

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