Wyoming Outfitter Allocated Tags???

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Is it just me, or does it feel like this is going to be lobbied for soon by outfitters in Wyoming? Just reading the article in their Wyoming Outdoors magazine causes me to believe that what they'd like to portray is that a guided hunter is worth vastly more to the state than unguided hunters. Is that a setup for a soon to be push to allocate a chunk of non-resident tags to non-residents hiring an outfitter?

If that is the case, what can non-residents do to combat it? Or, do we just take it and either hunt less often or hire a guide to tag along with us as we go hunt? Man, I don't want to pay to take someone hunting with me. LOL

Or am I just being paranoid?

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I don't think you're being paranoid. It's the way the west is going. Plenty you can do like back organizations that oppose such, write emails, phone calls. You also have the perfect platform on this website. Maybe time to get articles wrote by guys like BuzzH or JM77. If not them than maybe someone they know.

Expand the website from just pics of big deer to a worthy cause..



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No paranoia. It has already been proposed to the Commission. It was brought up by an Outfitter to the Comms as early as last September. He is the president of WYOGA. The org you said was looking out for the NR hunter.
 
Founder. First, yes your 100% correct. Its about expo time, that push for profits is here, why not there?

Curious though. Are you picking a side? Seems you are living in both worlds.

I agree. Outfitting on public land should not be allowed.


"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-04-18 AT 04:41PM (MST)[p]I have heard that it will try to be pushed by the outfitters. What a joke, who can we call or write letters to in order to oppose this? I'm sure the residents would be willing to help non-residents on this matter. We need to all join together and make sure this never happens. Hopefully Big Fin jumps on this along with other individuals and groups.
 
Someone recently posted a link to contact info for the game commission. Can you repost it here?

It makes sense for outfitters to want more NR tags in general. NR's are more likely to hire them. And the next logical step for outfitters is to get more NR tags specifically allotted to them.

And it makes sense that NR's, me included, want more NR tags because it gives them more chances. However, I am against NR tags dedicated to outfitters.

Just my opinion. I'm sure some agree and some disagree.

Hey Founder, I'll hunt with you and you don't even have to pay me!! :D :D
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-04-18 AT 07:07PM (MST)[p]I am sure they're trying to do it. Look at the BS Wilderness law. Everything they do is to put more money in their pocket. Their corruption runs deep.
 
An outfitter, who belongs to WYOGA, actually pushed this idea at the Governor's Task Force for Outdoor Recreation. This Task Force was charged to find ways for Wyoming to make more money on recreation.

Founder, guys like you should never advocate that WYOGA is your only friend in Wyoming. Truth is, it will be residents that fight this fight against set-aside tags for outfitters. This would be far worse than any change in allocation for the NR DIY guys.

Any of you guys going to pitch in and help fight more set-aside antelope tags for private foundation hunts? It's a new bill for this year. It will hurt both resident and NR antelope hunters.

http://legisweb.state.wy.us/2018/Introduced/SF0003.pdf
 
I'm all for outfitters working to keep as many non-resident tags as possible. As long as they're doing that, I hope they win and I'll say thanks. But obviously I don't want to see set aside tags for outfitted hunts. So, I hope they fail there.

I'm not the type of person who picks a side and just agrees without question. I agree with some on some issues, and disagree on others. There?s probably no person or group that I have the exact same views as.

Anti-outfitter I am not. I think they offer a great service for some. That article in their magazine sure appeared to be meant to paint a picture that guided hunters contribute much more to the economy, and it sounds like that?ll be what they use to try and get tags set aside for their clients. I don't want to see that.

Non-resident hunters of every state are at a huge disadvantage, as our opinions mean very little, and there's little we can do. I know some disagree, but in general most resident hunters don't care if non-residents get to hunt their state at all. Outfitters and the G&F are typically the ones wanting non-residents to come hunt and who have motivation to stand up for non-residents.

On this issue though, what can we do? If it has an impact on resident tag numbers, then maybe there's hope. But if outfitters ask only for a portion of NR allocated tags, we might be in trouble.

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Founder, I have hunted Wyoming many times in the past and I have learned one thing. The outfitters in that state are able to get their politicians to listen to them and grant them favors to increase their profit margin.
Look what the outfitters were able to do with the wilderness areas where a non resident could not hunt it without an outfitter or local resident with him.
Outfitters sewed up the private land that incircled Elk mountain, that was public, and when they got hunters using helicopters to fly in to the mountain, they got a law passed you could not hunt until several days passed after flying in.

They will probably get their way unless the locals raise a big stink, and I do not see that happening as it is a non issue with them.

RELH
 
>I'm all for outfitters working to
>keep as many non-resident tags
>as possible. As long as
>they're doing that, I hope
>they win and I'll say
>thanks. But obviously I don't
>want to see set aside
>tags for outfitted hunts. So,
>I hope they fail there.
>
>
>I'm not the type of person
>who picks a side and
>just agrees without question. I
>agree with some on some
>issues, and disagree on others.
>There?s probably no person or
>group that I have the
>exact same views as.
>
>Anti-outfitter I am not. I think
>they offer a great service
>for some. That article in
>their magazine sure appeared to
>be meant to paint a
>picture that guided hunters contribute
>much more to the economy,
>and it sounds like that?ll
>be what they use to
>try and get tags set
>aside for their clients. I
>don't want to see that.
>
>
>Non-resident hunters of every state are
>at a huge disadvantage, as
>our opinions mean very little,
>and there's little we can
>do. I know some disagree,
>but in general most resident
>hunters don't care if non-residents
>get to hunt their state
>at all. Outfitters and the
>G&F are typically the ones
>wanting non-residents to come hunt
>and who have motivation to
>stand up for non-residents.
>
>On this issue though, what can
>we do? If it has
>an impact on resident tag
>numbers, then maybe there's hope.
>But if outfitters ask only
>for a portion of NR
>allocated tags, we might be
>in trouble.
>
>Brian Latturner
>MonsterMuleys.com
>LIKE MonsterMuleys.com
>on Facebook!


Sorry man but that's a cop out. You want it both ways. Your no different than the guys who complain about tags in this state, then go to the expo to support those who take them.

You can't ride the fence on this issue. If your a "pro", than fine. If your a DIY, that's great. But look at it from the eyes here. One of the most successful DIY hunters around, also moonlight for an outfitter. Your"go along, get along" is simply you benefiting both ways. Or are we to believe the outfitter you work with doesn't want allocated tags? Or that if he got them you wouldn't benefit?

Everyone can see where the WYOGA is on issues. Where are you?

And please don't pretend your some average dude on subjects like this. You are semi famous. Your voice carries a lot more weight if only because so many of us use your site.

"Mr. Wyoming legislator. My name is Founder, I run Monster Muleys. We have xxx members and we oppose this."

It carries more weight than me or Jm, or AWESOME.

You may not be comfortable doing so, but that doesn't change the reality.

But none of us are gonna stick our necks out, if at the end of the day your part of the outfitters cause.

So again. Where are you?

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
All I will say is this. Sure WYOGA is your friend founder. Keep telling yourself that and maybe one day it will become true.

We as in the Wyoming residents will fight this hard and later you can say thank you ( or not) while you are cashing your checks from SY. Smh
 
I know what you mean, that's why I'm wondering what non-residents can do, if anything. ????
I would imagine outfitters would want to get outfitter allocated tags from the non-resident pool, as that's the best chance of making it happen. I'm sure they know it would be a much tougher fight to get the tags from both resident and non-resident pools.
If they're aiming to grab the tags from the non-resident pool, I worry. I'm not expecting locals to save tags for non-residents.
Is it just an issue we ignore and just hope for the best?


>Founder, I have hunted Wyoming many
>times in the past and
>I have learned one thing.
>The outfitters in that state
>are able to get their
>politicians to listen to them
>and grant them favors to
>increase their profit margin.
> Look what the
>outfitters were able to do
>with the wilderness areas where
>a non resident could not
>hunt it without an outfitter
>or local resident with him.
>
> Outfitters sewed up
>the private land that incircled
>Elk mountain, that was public,
>and when they got hunters
>using helicopters to fly in
>to the mountain, they got
>a law passed you could
>not hunt until several days
>passed after flying in.
>
> They will probably
>get their way unless the
>locals raise a big stink,
>and I do not see
>that happening as it is
>a non issue with them.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> RELH


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Founder,
Guaranteed outfitter tags might help you out with the region G point creep. Just work out a deal with Sy and go get your buck. The odds will be way better in the outfitter draw since you have to go guided. Just have Sy charge u a dollar..

Dont think its possible? Its already being done in NM. Also alaska has laws for Sheep Brown Bear and MT goat requiring Non res to go guided. So the outfitter gets 1 buddy a guide license and bam! Legal! (The guide cant have a tag though). You want to know whats crazy about the AK law? A non resident cant go DIY for sheep goat or bear. BUT he can guide for those species as A non res. Just goes to show you how messed up some guide laws are...

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Also regarding the Wyoming Wilderness law you can guide hunters in the wilderness as a non res, but the guide himself cant go solo there to hunt. WTF. If something so asinine as that passed outfitter only tags should be a shoe in.


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LAST EDITED ON Jan-04-18 AT 10:06PM (MST)[p]This is exactly what I've been talking about in many of my recent posts. Again, this is a time for resident and NR to work together. Hey founder aren't those outfitters just great. Nothing but friends of the NR helping allocate tags lol. Who's laughing now. For those who are the diy NR, I hope this doesn't happen and I will send letters, emails and talk to the people I know to show support for you. As I've said many times before, be careful what you ask for because WYOGA are snakes. For the record, Sy (founders buddy) is the mouth piece for WYOGA.
 
I did not know a non resident could guide in Wy. That scenario has got to be one of the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard when it comes to hunting. Right up there with some of California?s brilliant laws. It's obvious those that passed that law did it for only one reason. What a joke.
 
Founder said:

"I'm all for outfitters working to keep as many non-resident tags as possible. As long as they're doing that, I hope they win and I'll say thanks. But obviously I don't want to see set aside tags for outfitted hunts. So, I hope they fail there.

I'm not the type of person who picks a side and just agrees without question. I agree with some on some issues, and disagree on others. There?s probably no person or group that I have the exact same views as.

Anti-outfitter I am not. I think they offer a great service for some. That article in their magazine sure appeared to be meant to paint a picture that guided hunters contribute much more to the economy, and it sounds like that?ll be what they use to try and get tags set aside for their clients. I don't want to see that."

I agree, with every word and even more, I believe in the reality of the concept. I don't believe it's a cop out in any way, shape or form.

I do the same with my wife, my kids, my best friends, the people I help elect to office, fact is, I can't think of anyone one or any organization I've joined or worked for that it is or hasn't been the reality of the relationship. Most people would never expect "anyone" to never disagree with everything they do or say. At least not some who has raise a child or had a business partner, nor been an employee or hired an employee. I do not believe anyone that says it is a cop out, nor do I believe they are immune from it, in their personal lives or in concept, in every facet of their lives. To claim it's a cop out, in my opinion, is essentially claiming they don't do ever do it themselves. If they claim they don't support anyone that they have any disagreement with...................I believe they are out of touch with themselves and the world they're living in.

One of the most valuable assets a person can have is a spouse, a friend, a business partner or an employee who will respectfully share a different point view or opinion in the process of solving a challenging problem.

I'm pretty certain some will disagree, and whatever else we agree or may ever agree on, is irrelevant and a cop out. I get it. I don't believe it, but I get it.

DC
 
>Founder said:
>
>"I'm all for outfitters working to
>keep as many non-resident tags
>as possible. As long as
>they're doing that, I hope
>they win and I'll say
>thanks. But obviously I don't
>want to see set aside
>tags for outfitted hunts. So,
>I hope they fail there.
>
>
>I'm not the type of person
>who picks a side and
>just agrees without question. I
>agree with some on some
>issues, and disagree on others.
>There?s probably no person or
>group that I have the
>exact same views as.
>
>Anti-outfitter I am not. I think
>they offer a great service
>for some. That article in
>their magazine sure appeared to
>be meant to paint a
>picture that guided hunters contribute
>much more to the economy,
>and it sounds like that?ll
>be what they use to
>try and get tags set
>aside for their clients. I
>don't want to see that."
>
>
>I agree, with every word and
>even more, I believe in
>the reality of the concept.
> I don't believe it's
>a cop out in any
>way, shape or form.
>
>I do the same with my
>wife, my kids, my best
>friends, the people I help
>elect to office, fact
>is, I can't think of
>anyone one or any organization
>I've joined or worked for
>that it is or hasn't
>been the reality of the
>relationship. Most people would
>never expect "anyone" to never
>disagree with everything they do
>or say. At least
>not some who has raise
>a child or had a
>business partner, nor been an
>employee or hired an employee.
>I do not believe anyone
>that says it is a
>cop out, nor do I
>believe they are immune from
>it, in their personal lives
>or in concept, in every
>facet of their lives.
>To claim it's a cop
>out, in my opinion, is
>essentially claiming they don't do
>ever do it themselves.
>If they claim they don't
>support anyone that they have
>any disagreement with...................I believe they
>are out of touch with
>themselves and the world they're
>living in.
>
>One of the most valuable assets
>a person can have is
>a spouse, a friend, a
>business partner or an employee
>who will respectfully share a
>different point view or opinion
>in the process of solving
>a challenging problem.
>
>I'm pretty certain some will disagree,
>and whatever else we agree
>or may ever agree on,
>is irrelevant and a cop
>out. I get it.
> I don't believe it,
>but I get it.
>
>DC

Not everything in life can be a grey area. We as hunters can't say "well as long as I get to hunt it next year, Rob Bishop go ahead transfer that land".

We can't say "Sure Elizabeth Warren lets have "common sense gun control", as long as I keep the 30-30"

There are issues that have to be met with stiff resistance. We can negotiate rules, regs. But once you let the special interests have control, your not EVER getting it back.

$fw proves it in Utah. WYOGA is proving it there.

And you especially can't work with the biggest outfitter in Wyoming, then have any credibility in your thoughts on stopping what they are doing.

Or are we to believe that IF WYOGA gets their way, someone won't be trading scouting for a yearly tag?
He has already on record here proposing trading scouting for sharing points.

Sorry lumpy, but look at where we are as hunters when we "go along to get along". WYOGA isn't interested in getting along.


"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
WYOGA has been severely hobbled in Wyoming mainly through the involvement of sportsman related groups coming together to form the Wyoming Sportsmans Alliance. The Alliance was instrumental in defeated the 60/40 bill on special/regular license pricing, on the premise it disenfranchises NR youth hunters. On occasion, member groups have asked WYOGA to "partner" in support or opposition of certain issues, including the land transfer idea, flying to scout and opposition to certain draft legislation. Not one time did WYOGA join sportsman in their efforts.

Then Muley Fanatics nominated WYOGA to join our group! You see to support or oppose, the Sportsmans Alliance must be in 100% agreement. Anyone with two or three brain cells could figure out that WYOGA would render the Alliance useless with their one vote. What could Muley Fanatic Foundation be thinking? A majority of groups voted "NO" to WYOGA joining the Sportsmans Alliance with BHA leading in opposition.

Any Wyoming sportsman who belong to MFF should be asking some seriously hard questions to the leadership of that group.
 
That wilderness law probably ain?t changing. It's in place and not much resistance to it. It affects only non-residents, so I wouldn't expect to see any real effort to change that from those within the state. And I feel the same with outfitter allocated tags, if the tags come from the non-resident allotment. Question is, what can non-residents do, if anything, to try and stop it? Maybe just show up and voice our concerns when the topic is set to be discussed??? Would a non-resident opinion mean anything to the commission?

But let me tell you, I do hope the outfitters win the next time non-resident tag cuts are proposed. They were the only ones trying to salvage tags for us last year. If it weren't for the state wanting our money and outfitters wanting non-resident clients, there probably wouldn't be any non-resident tags to be worried about in this topic.

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>That wilderness law probably ain?t changing.
>It's in place and not
>much resistance to it. It
>affects only non-residents, so I
>wouldn't expect to see any
>real effort to change that
>from those within the state.
>And I feel the same
>with outfitter allocated tags, if
>the tags come from the
>non-resident allotment. Question is, what
>can non-residents do, if anything,
>to try and stop it?
>Maybe just show up and
>voice our concerns when the
>topic is set to be
>discussed??? Would a non-resident opinion
>mean anything to the commission?
>
>
>But let me tell you, I
>do hope the outfitters win
>the next time non-resident tag
>cuts are proposed. They were
>the only ones trying to
>salvage tags for us last
>year. If it weren't for
>the state wanting our money
>and outfitters wanting non-resident clients,
>there probably wouldn't be any
>non-resident tags to be worried
>about in this topic.
>
>Brian Latturner
>MonsterMuleys.com
>LIKE MonsterMuleys.com
>on Facebook!

Brian,

Do you think if there was guaranteed outfitter tags that the Outfitters association would of fought the non res tag cuts so hard? I doubt it. Hell they would probably be in favor of it.


Not to get off topic but why dont you move to Wyoming? Couldnt you run your business/website from Wyoming?



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I agree that the wilderness hunting law is not likely to change. The outfitting business and many residents like the law.

I believe in the mid 1980's Montana passed an outfitter set aside for elk and deer tags. I can't remember how the allocation was done between each outfitting business. I know that the outfitter I guided for always had all the tags he needed for his clients. Almost all his hunting areas were on private property. I think it was in 2010 or 2011 that the residents of Montana passed Initiative 161. That initiative eliminated the outfitter set aside for deer and elk tags. The residents of Wyoming could do the same thing if the legislature goes with NR tag set asides.

I have never had any love for guides and outfitters. I grew tired of guiding rather quickly. I really can't see WYOGA being successful in obtaining set asides for deer and elk tags. However, I could see them trying to set up a third class of tags for elk and deer that are so prohibitively expensive that only the most wealthy could afford them along with their already overpriced guided hunts.

just sayin...mh
 
Many "what if's". Bottomline, outfitters were trying to salvage NR tags in the areas I hunt. I liked that. I'd like even better more NR tags and a shorter season, or something other than less tags to decrease buck harvest. I like to hunt and like anything being said that increases my chance of going hunting, regardless who's saying it. And I dislike anything being said to decrease my chance on going hunting, regardless who's saying it. It makes sense to me, and that's all that matters to me.

As for moving to Wyoming....maybe someday.


>>That wilderness law probably ain?t changing.
>>It's in place and not
>>much resistance to it. It
>>affects only non-residents, so I
>>wouldn't expect to see any
>>real effort to change that
>>from those within the state.
>>And I feel the same
>>with outfitter allocated tags, if
>>the tags come from the
>>non-resident allotment. Question is, what
>>can non-residents do, if anything,
>>to try and stop it?
>>Maybe just show up and
>>voice our concerns when the
>>topic is set to be
>>discussed??? Would a non-resident opinion
>>mean anything to the commission?
>>
>>
>>But let me tell you, I
>>do hope the outfitters win
>>the next time non-resident tag
>>cuts are proposed. They were
>>the only ones trying to
>>salvage tags for us last
>>year. If it weren't for
>>the state wanting our money
>>and outfitters wanting non-resident clients,
>>there probably wouldn't be any
>>non-resident tags to be worried
>>about in this topic.
>>
>>Brian Latturner
>>MonsterMuleys.com
>>LIKE MonsterMuleys.com
>>on Facebook!
>
>Brian,
>
>Do you think if there was
>guaranteed outfitter tags that the
>Outfitters association would of fought
>the non res tag cuts
>so hard? I doubt
>it. Hell they would
>probably be in favor of
>it.
>
>
> Not to get off
>topic but why dont you
>move to Wyoming? Couldnt you
>run your business/website from Wyoming?
>
>
>
>
>《《《《《《AWESOME》》》》》》


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>Many "what if's". Bottomline, outfitters were
>trying to salvage NR tags
>in the areas I hunt.
>I liked that. I'd like
>even better more NR tags
>and a shorter season, or
>something other than less tags
>to decrease buck harvest. I
>like to hunt and like
>anything being said that increases
>my chance of going hunting,
>regardless who's saying it. And
>I dislike anything being said
>to decrease my chance on
>going hunting, regardless who's saying
>it. It makes sense to
>me, and that's all that
>matters to me.

>>>Brian Latturner
>>>MonsterMuleys.com


Brian you're getting played like a fiddle by good old Sy and WYOGA! You surely realize that the only reason they wanted the 60/40 NR PP split to go to 40/60 was to get more licenses for their outfitters since their clients are generally well to do and are almost solely NRs. Now the only reason they were working for less NR tag cuts was to insure all their clients got tags, which is money for themselves and certainly not to help DIY guys like yourself! This latest push for outfitter allocated tags is just another example of them working strictly for themselves and not for any of the NRs who DIY. You can't have your cake and eat it too! IMHO you need to immediately cut your ties with SY, who is the main spokesman for WYOGA and the biggest single detriment to DIY hunting in Wyoming. As long as you are working for him you are seen as a hypocrite when you voice opinions regarding various threads that have anything to do with WYOGA!
 
Brian,

IMO, you're making a lot of unfounded assumptions about how Residents feel about outfitter sponsored NR licenses.

I'm also of the opinion that the only reason you're concerned about the issue, is because it will impact you. If there was an angle to this for you to get a tag for yourself via an outfitter, you'd cut the throat of the average DIY guy in a heartbeat. You already do it by gaming the system and driving point creep via party applications. That's fine, its the system we have, but you don't think twice how you're impacting other NR hunters by doing so.

That being said, I can assure you that WYBHA will oppose any outfitter set asides with every thing we have. We're all NR in 49 other states, and I have lots of friends and family that hunt here as NR's. They all deserve an opportunity at 100% of the available NR tags. The WYOGA proposal will take away that option for a majority of NR's...aint going to happen on my watch. I also believe that a vast, vast majority of residents will staunchly oppose any sort of set-asides for any group, including outfitters.

But what causes me angst is your total self-serving agenda. It gets old. You want outfitter support when it suits you, but want residents to save your bacon when it doesn't. That's the trouble with trying to play both sides, neither can trust you. There are times when you have to make decisions that may not be in your best interest for the sake of other hunters and wildlife. You seem unable to ever draw that distinction. A perfect example is your unwillingness to support or even compromise on the current bill that would make selling scouting packages illegal. It would make a difference, it would be good for wildlife, save bucks, etc. In true form though, you get all defensive and blame outfitters and think Wyoming residents are all a bunch of A-holes because your ox is getting gored.

It also gets old that you are critical of what residents do or don't do for you in Wyoming. In particular when you've never shown me a single thing you've done as a Resident of Utah to help NR's there. Utah offers barely a sliver of the NR opportunities that Wyoming affords NR hunters here...and I doubt I'll ever see you leading any charge to increase NR opportunities in Utah.

Instead of being thankful of the opportunities that WY graciuosly provides, andbeing supportive of ALL hunters, its all about you...that attitude always bites you in the end. Seen it.
 
Of course I'm concerned because it impacts me! And every non-resident should be concerned because it may impact them, that's the point of the thread.
Yes, I like the opinion of outfitters when it's the same as mine and don't like it when it's different. You got me there. Geeesh, cat is out of the bag now. Founder wants something that makes his life more enjoyable. I wonder if others want that too?

And yes, if you or the outfitters think I follow blindly and just agree with everything you all "think" is best, then definitely don't trust me, because I have my own views on things. I don't want to be in your camp or theirs, I'll stay in my camp and have my own views. Do not trust me to support you in your efforts to make my life less enjoyable.

Back to the point of the thread, what can non-residents do to keep our tags from being allocated to outfitter clients only? Anything?




>Brian,
>
>IMO, you're making a lot of
>unfounded assumptions about how Residents
>feel about outfitter sponsored NR
>licenses.
>
>I'm also of the opinion that
>the only reason you're concerned
>about the issue, is because
>it will impact you. If
>there was an angle to
>this for you to get
>a tag for yourself via
>an outfitter, you'd cut the
>throat of the average DIY
>guy in a heartbeat. You
>already do it by gaming
>the system and driving point
>creep via party applications. That's
>fine, its the system we
>have, but you don't think
>twice how you're impacting other
>NR hunters by doing so.
>
>
>That being said, I can assure
>you that WYBHA will oppose
>any outfitter set asides with
>every thing we have. We're
>all NR in 49 other
>states, and I have lots
>of friends and family that
>hunt here as NR's. They
>all deserve an opportunity at
>100% of the available NR
>tags. The WYOGA proposal will
>take away that option for
>a majority of NR's...aint going
>to happen on my watch.
>I also believe that a
>vast, vast majority of residents
>will staunchly oppose any sort
>of set-asides for any group,
>including outfitters.
>
>But what causes me angst is
>your total self-serving agenda. It
>gets old. You want outfitter
>support when it suits you,
>but want residents to save
>your bacon when it doesn't.
>That's the trouble with trying
>to play both sides, neither
>can trust you. There are
>times when you have to
>make decisions that may not
>be in your best interest
>for the sake of other
>hunters and wildlife. You seem
>unable to ever draw that
>distinction. A perfect example is
>your unwillingness to support or
>even compromise on the current
>bill that would make selling
>scouting packages illegal. It would
>make a difference, it would
>be good for wildlife, save
>bucks, etc. In true form
>though, you get all defensive
>and blame outfitters and think
>Wyoming residents are all a
>bunch of A-holes because your
>ox is getting gored.
>
>It also gets old that you
>are critical of what residents
>do or don't do for
>you in Wyoming. In particular
>when you've never shown me
>a single thing you've done
>as a Resident of Utah
>to help NR's there. Utah
>offers barely a sliver of
>the NR opportunities that Wyoming
>affords NR hunters here...and I
>doubt I'll ever see you
>leading any charge to increase
>NR opportunities in Utah.
>
>Instead of being thankful of the
>opportunities that WY graciuosly provides,
>andbeing supportive of ALL hunters,
>its all about you...that attitude
>always bites you in the
>end. Seen it.


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I understand your comment that outfitters work strictly for themselves and not for any DIY non-residents, but doesn't that make sense? Why would outfitters spend their time and money trying to make things better for DIY guys at their expense? It really makes no sense to me that you use that as an agrument. It's what they do. Their organization's purpose is in part to protect their interests.....????

I'm not anti-outfitter, so I just can't jump into your boat. I don't think I would want to be in your boat anyway. I'll stay in my boat. In my boat, non-residents want opportunity and we like whatever opinions aim to give us more opportunity. In my boat, we don't just follow any group blindly, we support views from all groups that make our lives better.


>>Many "what if's". Bottomline, outfitters were
>>trying to salvage NR tags
>>in the areas I hunt.
>>I liked that. I'd like
>>even better more NR tags
>>and a shorter season, or
>>something other than less tags
>>to decrease buck harvest. I
>>like to hunt and like
>>anything being said that increases
>>my chance of going hunting,
>>regardless who's saying it. And
>>I dislike anything being said
>>to decrease my chance on
>>going hunting, regardless who's saying
>>it. It makes sense to
>>me, and that's all that
>>matters to me.
>
>>>>Brian Latturner
>>>>MonsterMuleys.com
>
>
>Brian you're getting played like a
>fiddle by good old Sy
>and WYOGA! You surely
>realize that the only reason
>they wanted the 60/40 NR
>PP split to go to
>40/60 was to get more
>licenses for their outfitters since
>their clients are generally well
>to do and are almost
>solely NRs. Now the
>only reason they were working
>for less NR tag
>cuts was to insure all
>their clients got tags, which
>is money for themselves and
>certainly not to help DIY
>guys like yourself! This
>latest push for outfitter allocated
>tags is just another example
>of them working strictly for
>themselves and not for any
>of the NRs who DIY.
> You can't have your
>cake and eat it too!
> IMHO you need to
>immediately cut your ties with
>SY, who is the main
>spokesman for WYOGA and the
>biggest single detriment to DIY
>hunting in Wyoming. As
>long as you are working
>for him you are seen
>as a hypocrite when you
>voice opinions regarding various threads
>that have anything to do
>with WYOGA!


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LAST EDITED ON Jan-05-18 AT 12:52PM (MST)[p]Back to the point of the thread, what can non-residents do to keep our tags from being allocated to outfitter clients only? Anything?

Ask your outfitter buddies to stop it...they'll do what's best for NR DIY hunters, they always have.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-05-18 AT 01:07PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Jan-05-18 AT 01:06?PM (MST)

Brian,

You don't have to do anything, the residents and associated Wyoming sportsmen's organizations are going to slay the outfitters on this issue.

Unlike you, we do care about other hunters, wildlife, habitat, and not just our own self-interests.

You can thank us later.
 
Are you trying to get rid of all NR tags so that outfitter allocated tags won't be an issue anymore? You know, because you care about all hunters. Geeesh, thanks, I hope you can decrease my opportunity. Where can I send a donation to your cause? LOL


>LAST EDITED ON Jan-05-18
>AT 01:07?PM (MST)
>
>LAST EDITED ON Jan-05-18
>AT 01:06?PM (MST)
>
>Brian,
>
>You don't have to do anything,
>the residents and associated Wyoming
>sportsmen's organizations are going to
>slay the outfitters on this
>issue.
>
>Unlike you, we do care about
>other hunters, wildlife, habitat, and
>not just our own self-interests.
>
>
>You can thank us later.


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LAST EDITED ON Jan-05-18 AT 01:36PM (MST)[p]>Are you trying to get rid
>of all NR tags so
>that outfitter allocated tags won't
>be an issue anymore? You
>know, because you care about
>all hunters. Geeesh, thanks, I
>hope you can decrease my
>opportunity. Where can I send
>a donation to your cause?
>LOL

Brian


That was about the lamest response you've posted since some of the posts you made regarding your First Amendment rights being violated for selling scouting packages on several threads! I would suggest that before you make silly remarks back to a person like BuzzH that is on the forefront fighting for all of us on many different things that you stop and think before you type. All of us on this site and HT know how much BuzzH does for conservation and hunting in general and to make that post back to him was not too smart for the owner of such a site that could be a real voice for all of us, rather than that of a self centered person that's taking money from the top guy in WYOGA and then has the nerve to ask what NRs can do to defeat the very thing that that person stands for!
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-05-18 AT 01:44PM (MST)[p]Brian,

Tell me you've been swilling grandpas cough syrup...has to be a way to explain your last post, which is absolutely from left field.

Who do you suppose has slammed the brakes on the outfitters on the last 2 60/40 bills they've tried to run?

Wasn't any of your efforts that did. Why would Residents and WY sportsmen's organizations stop that from happening if we didn't have the best interest of NR's of average means in mind? The best interests of NR youth hunters in mind?

Here's the deal, my family and friends would have been huge beneficiaries of the 60% pool of special tags. They have the money to fork over...but I didn't think it was right to "fork over" the NR guys that cant afford it and/or NR youth.

Even though you simply don't grasp the idea that doing things that will negatively impact YOUR specific case, for the benefit of others, our wildlife and habitat, there are others that do. Count me in that group.

If I were like you, I would have sided with the outfitters and gave my friends and family better draw odds via more tags in the special pool.

Guess it comes down to integrity, some have it, others never will.

Take out your notepad and pen...and watch what happens when outfitters try to get a set aside of NR tags.

Next time, you'll know what to do.
 
Sound like you're something special, so I'll sleep well tonight.

Non-residents will sure appreciate you saving our tags from outfitter allocated. But we'll also all be hoping that whomever stands up for our opportunity as non-residents wins. Whether it's you, outfitters or aliens from mars. We like to hunt.


>LAST EDITED ON Jan-05-18
>AT 01:44?PM (MST)
>
>Brian,
>
>Tell me you've been swilling grandpas
>cough syrup...has to be a
>way to explain your last
>post, which is absolutely from
>left field.
>
>Who do you suppose has slammed
>the brakes on the outfitters
>on the last 2 60/40
>bills they've tried to run?
>
>
>Wasn't any of your efforts that
>did. Why would Residents and
>WY sportsmen's organizations stop that
>from happening if we didn't
>have the best interest of
>NR's of average means in
>mind? The best interests of
>NR youth hunters in mind?
>
>
>Here's the deal, my family and
>friends would have been huge
>beneficiaries of the 60% pool
>of special tags. They have
>the money to fork over...but
>I didn't think it was
>right to "fork over" the
>NR guys that cant afford
>it and/or NR youth.
>
>Even though you simply don't grasp
>the idea that doing things
>that will negatively impact YOUR
>specific case, for the benefit
>of others, our wildlife and
>habitat, there are others that
>do. Count me in that
>group.
>
>If I were like you, I
>would have sided with the
>outfitters and gave my friends
>and family better draw odds
>via more tags in the
>special pool.
>
>Guess it comes down to integrity,
>some have it, others never
>will.
>
>Take out your notepad and pen...and
>watch what happens when outfitters
>try to get a set
>aside of NR tags.
>
>Next time, you'll know what to
>do.


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>Sound like you're something special, so
>I'll sleep well tonight.
>
>Non-residents will sure appreciate you saving
>our tags from outfitter allocated.
>But we'll also all be
>hoping that whomever stands up
>for our opportunity as non-residents
>wins. Whether it's you, outfitters
>or aliens from mars. We
>like to hunt.

>Brian Latturner


And this last lame post of yours has just verified what BuzzH and I have stated about you and your self-serving self-centered attitude!
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-05-18 AT 02:46PM (MST)[p]To the point of the topic, what can NR's do? We can contact the WY Game and Fish Commission and express our opinions. Will it matter? Maybe. Maybe not. But our opinion will definitely not matter if we don't speak up.

Below is a link to the commissioners contact info, taken from the WY G&F website.

https://wgfd.wyo.gov/About-Us/Game-and-Fish-Commission/Meet-the-Commissioners

All 7 of them have an e-mail from me.

For the res and non-res on here who fight to preserve hunting privileges for NR's, thank you.

As someone said (BuzzH?), we are all NR's in 49 states.
 
Just a new kind of ?Tag Pimp?. Fight against anyone trying to comnmercialize hunting any more than it already is.
 
Its amazing how you can go along thinking something and POOF 180 degree turn.

You find out Founders selling scouting. How? Because somehow he has convinced himself he's some 1st amendment warrior. Truth is he's just another Larry Flynt wrapping his bottom line with a copy of the bill of rights.

Then, as a NR you start hearing locals calling him out for his connection to an outfitter(the biggest in Wyoming), and look into that and see what that outfitter stands for.

Now, the same guy SELLING what other guys here give for free, then working for a dude who at every turn is trying to screw residents, and any NR not scratching him a check, now wants everyone to join his cause.

That cause being FOUNDER WANTS A G TAG EVERY YEAR.

And screw you, screw your neighbor, and screw your kids. As long as FOUNDER GETS HIS, nothing else matters.

You see that single mindedness in his pursuits, and you think "pretty extreme, but if I could find the time, maybe". But now, now we see the complete single mindedness. FOUNDER WANTS TO HUNT G EVERY YEAR, and no matter what that means, including selling out everyone, and everyone, so be it.

This ain't no grey area, and its not "lets all get along". Its a guy selling out, 100%. And its a shocking display by a guy who most of us even if we didn't agree, respected him.



"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
[font size=+4]OR[/font] are outfitter allocated tags a good thing? What's your opinion? If you read the article in their magazine, it says that guided hunters contribute more to the economy than non-guided. Says they provide lots of jobs too. Is there an argument to be made by more than just outfitters that outfitter allocated tags are good?

What you all say there? (except those of you who are only interested in talking about me)

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You are quick, I DO want a tag every year, and even in multiple states. How did you figure me out? I thought it was a secret. I know that comes as a shock to everyone. Most I'm sure thought I wanted to just stay home every year. LOL You're funny.

I'll bet between having a outfitter as a client and wanting to hunt Wyoming every year, all respect for me is out the door. I'll have to live with my evilness.

I almost feel guilty now, a large chunk of my income for 19 years has come from guides and outfitters advertising on this site, and you're just now realizing that outfitters in part pay my bills? Poop! I need more ads! LOL


>Its amazing how you can go
>along thinking something and POOF
>180 degree turn.
>
>You find out Founders selling scouting.
> How? Because somehow
>he has convinced himself he's
>some 1st amendment warrior.
>Truth is he's just another
>Larry Flynt wrapping his bottom
>line with a copy of
>the bill of rights.
>
>Then, as a NR you start
>hearing locals calling him out
>for his connection to an
>outfitter(the biggest in Wyoming), and
>look into that and see
>what that outfitter stands for.
>
>
>Now, the same guy SELLING what
>other guys here give for
>free, then working for a
>dude who at every turn
>is trying to screw residents,
>and any NR not scratching
>him a check, now wants
>everyone to join his cause.
>
>
>That cause being FOUNDER WANTS A
>G TAG EVERY YEAR.
>
>And screw you, screw your neighbor,
>and screw your kids.
>As long as FOUNDER GETS
>HIS, nothing else matters.
>
>You see that single mindedness in
>his pursuits, and you think
>"pretty extreme, but if I
>could find the time, maybe".
> But now, now we
>see the complete single mindedness.
> FOUNDER WANTS TO HUNT
>G EVERY YEAR, and no
>matter what that means, including
>selling out everyone, and everyone,
>so be it.
>
>This ain't no grey area, and
>its not "lets all get
>along". Its a guy
>selling out, 100%. And
>its a shocking display by
>a guy who most of
>us even if we didn't
>agree, respected him.
>
>
>
>"The only thing that stops a
>bad guy with a gun
>is a good guy with
>a gun"


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LAST EDITED ON Jan-05-18 AT 05:22PM (MST)[p]>[font size=+4]OR[/font] are outfitter allocated tags
>a good thing? What's your
>opinion? If you read the
>article in their magazine, it
>says that guided hunters contribute
>more to the economy than
>non-guided. Says they provide lots
>of jobs too. Is there
>an argument to be made
>by more than just outfitters
>that outfitter allocated tags are
>good?
>
>What you all say there? (except
>those of you who are
>only interested in talking about
>me)
>
>Brian Latturner

You can't be that naive even asking that question can you? Sure they'll say guided hunters contribute more to the economy than DIY guys because they figure money talks and that may help them snow the people that will vote on it. The thing that's wrong with their hypothesis is that the money the guided guys spend is going to the outfitters and guides, not to the gas stations, motels, restaurants, etc. like a good share of DIY money goes. They are out for one thing and it's themselves and nothing else. There is no way one segment should get any guaranteed tags---end of discussion!
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-05-18 AT 05:43PM (MST)[p]>You are quick, I DO want
>a tag every year, and
>even in multiple states. How
>did you figure me out?
>I thought it was a
>secret. I know that comes
>as a shock to everyone.
>Most I'm sure thought I
>wanted to just stay home
>every year. LOL You're funny.
>I'll bet between having a outfitter
>as a client and wanting
>to hunt Wyoming every year,
>all respect for me is
>out the door. I'll have
>to live with my evilness. >
>I almost feel guilty now, a
>large chunk of my income
>for 19 years has come
>from guides and outfitters advertising
>on this site, and you're
>just now realizing that outfitters
>in part pay my bills?
>Poop! I need more ads!
>LOL
>Brian Latturner


You got one thing partially right in this last post of yours and that is most have probably lost what respect they had for you, but not for the reasons you mentioned in this post! You may want to quit while you're behind because your posts are getting as bad on this thread as they were on the scouting ones you started!
 
So deduct the 38 million in guide fees and the DIY non resident contributes more than double to the local economy? Great argument to outlaw guides!
 
Can?t you let the topic be discussed without turning it into being about me and your dislike for me? Come man. Send me emails. Your opinion of me has been expressed, end it. Or go somewhere else to voice it. The thread was meant to be a discussion about outfitter allocated tags. I didn't start it to make it about me.
I apologize to all for getting into it with those of you who want to make it all about me.
My job here is to create conversation. If you don't like it, please go away. But you need to stop with all worthless stuff.

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Founder,

I like to be paid. My mortgage company likes it. My kids dentist likes it.

I WILL NOT COVER UP ASBESTOS. NOR BLACK MOLD. And ya, that means I have to NOT get paid. I have to not screw someone else to benefit me. My short term gain ain't worth screwing someone long term.

Its called PRINCIPLES.

Fact is, I will most likely never hunt G. Probably shoot a few antelope, possibly hit K every few years. But this game your playing, affects guys like me. Not just the G guys.

Lets see the letter you sent to the commission. With your name on it. Lets see your WRITTEN comments to SnS.

Don't piss down our legs and say its raining. Your doing anything you can to hunt G every year. And if that means playing both sides, so be it. If that means rolling with AnD, so be it. If that means all the BS you spewed to places like Rokslide, so be it.

You are right though. Guys are starting to figure you out. Funny thing, you exposed yourself.

I don't know Buzz. But I know his rep from here and elsewhere. You exposed yourself when you thought about going after him. One thing to hit clowns like me, or AWESOME, etc, but that guy does have credibility. Something you seem to have sold out.



"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-05-18 AT 06:38PM (MST)[p]I have an idea....

This idea is resident sportsman seek common ground with WYOGA. Residents get 90% of all licenses, outfitters get 50% of NR tags. The outfitter tags are priced to make up the difference of revenue from the extra resident licenses.

Residents are happy.

WYOGA is happy.

G&F is happy everyone is getting along.

Brian is sad.
 
True, but their argument will be that those they pay return that money back into the local economy. What about that argument?
The article sure seemed geared towards ?something?. I'm just guessing that the ?something? is outfitter allocated tags.


>So deduct the 38 million in
>guide fees and the DIY
>non resident contributes more than
>double to the local economy?
> Great argument to outlaw
>guides!


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True, I wouldn't like that. Ok. Good for you. I don't know what your point is. You do what you want. Non-residents need to do what we can to protect our opportunity, and that's why I posted the thread.
I think every non-resident needs to expect resident hunters to think just as you posted. The question is, what can non-residents do? Or do they even care? Maybe we'll all find a way to hunt elsewhere or go on a guided hunt? Maybe most don't care. I don't know...???

Is it an every man for themselves? Maybe.


>I have an idea....
>
>This idea is resident sportsman seek
>common ground with WYOGA. Residents
>get 90% of all licenses,
>outfitters get 5% of NR
>tags. The outfitter tags are
>priced to make up the
>difference of revenue from the
>extra resident licenses.
>
>Residents are happy.
>
>WYOGA is happy.
>
>G&F is happy everyone is getting
>along.
>
>Brian is sad.


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I have sent emails to all the Game and Fish employees from the link above. If you are a non-resident that does not want this to happen or a resident, please do the same, thanks.
 
Don't know much about this Founder fella, or most of you that are criticizing him. This much seems to be true. He makes his living and supports his family off this web forum and he's going to support and work to enhance his earnings and his future doing what he believes will be in he and his families best business interest.

I don't find that unusual nor difficult to understand. While I may not agree with him or his business practices I certainly believe he has every right to do so, as long as it is legal.

I feel the same about many of you. I very much dislike what you do, what you say or how you say it, but I'm dang grateful you have the right to do and say what you do, because the second your voice is taken from you, mine will be taken from me.

Many of you, in my opinion, are doing and have done things that have cost more public land hunter opportunity than what Founder is doing. You could and many of you have, said myself and people like me, have harmed it more than you. We can all make accusations and claims about one another and how rotten and self serving the other guy is and how noble and virtuous we ourq selves are, when in fact we are each guilty of promoting our personal interests and passions.

I don't appreciate Founders apparent desire to, regardless of other issues, have a mule deer tag every year but at the same time I appreaciate his hunting and killing only mature bucks. I think that's a darn sight less harmful that killing yearlings and does at a time when every unit in every State is in need less harvest and more mule deer numbers.

Outfitters are the same as you and I, they are trying to provide a service that brings them a profit so they can feed their families and grow their earning potental. They will do what ever they are allowed to do within the law and I think you and I do the same, in what ever earns a living for our family.

The solution is a system of checks and balances that keep big game numbers producing a surplus every year, and that means controlling me, you, Founder and every other businessman involved directly or indirectly in the hunting community.

If someone chose to, anyone can be a target for criticism, for how we approach the life style. None of us are above criticism , in someone's mind.

For Founder, it's a business, for me it's a passion and not what feeds my family....... who will fight harder, a man protecting his business or a man protecting his passion?

DC
 
>True, I wouldn't like that. Ok.
>Good for you. I don't
>know what your point is.
>You do what you want.
>Non-residents need to do what
>we can to protect our
>opportunity, and that's why I
>posted the thread.
>I think every non-resident needs to
>expect resident hunters to think
>just as you posted. The
>question is, what can non-residents
>do? Or do they even
>care? Maybe we'll all find
>a way to hunt elsewhere
>or go on a guided
>hunt? Maybe most don't care.
>I don't know...???
>
>Is it an every man for
>themselves? Maybe.
>
>
>>I have an idea....
>>
>>This idea is resident sportsman seek
>>common ground with WYOGA. Residents
>>get 90% of all licenses,
>>outfitters get 5% of NR
>>tags. The outfitter tags are
>>priced to make up the
>>difference of revenue from the
>>extra resident licenses.
>>
>>Residents are happy.
>>
>>WYOGA is happy.
>>
>>G&F is happy everyone is getting
>>along.
>>
>>Brian is sad.
>
>
>Brian Latturner
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Because of your response to Jeff I guess you didn't figure out that his post was sarcasm!
 
>Because of your response to Jeff
>I guess you didn't figure
>out that his post was
>sarcasm!


Are you sure about that Mike?
 
>So deduct the 38 million in
>guide fees and the DIY
>non resident contributes more than
>double to the local economy?
> Great argument to outlaw
>guides!

The problem with your argument is that there are 3 times as many DIY NRs as there are Guided NRs.
 
Founder wants the best of both worlds. Hey WYOGA we as NR want more tags so let's take them from the residents. Hey residents please don't let half of the NR tags go outfitter sponsored. I used to have respect for founder, but he has to be one of the most self centered individuals out there. His moral compass is stuck on ignorant. For those NR that aren't selfish, I hope WYOGA walks away with their tail between their legs. BUT, those individuals like founder I hope you get what you deserve. I would also like to see the end to point averaging. In February I will make my voice heard about this issue. Who's laughing now.....
 
It's true, I want more opportunity. I'd bet most sportsmen want more opportunity. I can't remember the last time someone said to me, ?I sure hope I get to hunt less in the future.? Or, ?I sure hope they keep cutting tags so I have to wait 20 years to draw, instead of 5?.
So selfish for wanting more opportunity. LOL

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LAST EDITED ON Jan-06-18 AT 00:43AM (MST)[p]Did you contact the commissioners? I did.

And for the record I used the word OPPOSED.

And with all the Powerball my wife is playing, my words carry weight up there?


"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
>LAST EDITED ON Jan-06-18
>AT 00:43?AM (MST)
>
>Did you contact the commissioners?
>I did.
>
>And for the record I used
>the word OPPOSED.
>
>And with all the Powerball my
>wife is playing, my words
>carry weight up there?
>
>
>"The only thing that stops a
>bad guy with a gun
>is a good guy with
>a gun"

So hoss?

You gonna Share?

Or am I Gonna have to Contact Her Personally?
 
>Jenny
>867-5309
>
>
>
>"The only thing that stops a
>bad guy with a gun
>is a good guy with
>a gun"


LMAO!

She's gotta be a Good Gal to Tolerate your BS!:D

You got any Pics?









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90087hankjr.jpg
 
The local Commissioner who lives right here in LaBarge is telling the Outfitter Org....how's it feel to want....
 
I can understand why the guides would want a tag allocation. A lot less hassle lining up hunt clients every year, and whatever.

Plus some hunts on private property where no potential clients will draw a tag. (elk hunt in Sy's case). I can almost see that, but if they are given those tags, then the tags should be in addition to the tags already availavle...unless it's a migratory elk herd. Big if.

But generally, I don't think our wildlife is meant to enrich guides and outfitters, not to the extend they would like, even though I see their reasoning.

Sounds like a moot point anyway.

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LAST EDITED ON Jan-07-18 AT 06:58AM (MST)[p]What can the Non residents do.... What can the non residents do??? Founder wants to know what the non residents can do!

It has been told to you over and over but it seems you must not have seen those posts.

WRITE THE COMMISSIONERS.

Make sure to tell them exactly how you feel.

1) You do not support the set aside tags, IF they are planning on pulling them out of the non resident allotment.
2) You are very anti founder bill. You do not support people trying to take away your first amendment right.
3) You want more non resident tags back in G
4) You are VERY pro point sharing
5) You are against the wilderness law
6) You are very pro outfitter on public land. As a matter of fact you work for one.
7) You are pro every time WYOGA lobbies for more non resident tags.
8) You do not want to pay someone to go hunting with you, but you do want to have other people pay you to tell them where to hunt.
9) You could make it easy and just write them and say I am very pro Founder.

I am sure a majority of the commissioners will be able to make perfect sense of your stance on things and agree with all of your Pro Founder points.
 
>Set up a system where residents
>spend even more on hunting
>than nonresidents.


That comment wasn't worth the time it took to read it, LOL!
 
let them know that the non resident hunters are a majority of DIY hunters Vs. ones that hires outfitters. Reducing the tags will result in non residents looking elsewhere to hunt and hurt the local economy where they hunt. DIY hunters usually book motel rooms and use restaurants for meals or buy goods from local stores.

The hunter that hires a outfitter is taken care of by the guides-outfitters and do not contribute that much to the local economy except for the pocketbook of the outfitter.

RELH
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-07-18 AT 09:03PM (MST)[p]
Might be a tough sell, half the nr full price Elk licenses went to outfitted hunts according to one of the Commissioners. Not sure it's true but nobody corrected him.
 
>LAST EDITED ON Jan-07-18
>AT 09:03?PM (MST)
>
>
>Might be a tough sell, half
>the nr full price Elk
>licenses went to outfitted
>hunts according to one of
>the Commissioners. Not sure it's
>true but nobody corrected
>him.


It's right on WYOGA's website, not quite half, 3220, but keep in mind that most certainly includes some reduced price cow elk tags
 
>let them know that the non
>resident hunters are a majority
>of DIY hunters Vs. ones
>that hires outfitters. Reducing the
>tags will result in non
>residents looking elsewhere to hunt
>and hurt the local economy
>where they hunt. DIY hunters
>usually book motel rooms and
>use restaurants for meals or
>buy goods from local stores.
>
>
> The hunter that hires a
>outfitter is taken care of
>by the guides-outfitters and do
>not contribute that much to
>the local economy except for
>the pocketbook of the outfitter.
>

This makes very little sense. How is the pocketbook of the motel owner, restaurant owner or local store owner different from the pocket book of the Outfitter? Safe to say the Outfitted hunt is far more expensive than the DIY hunt so it would stand to reason that the Outfitted hunt contributes more to the economy than the DIY hunt.
 
The NON-RICH nonresident hunter will get shut out because we don't/can't afford those outfitter tags. So the amount tags that we will have access to will be cut.
Burn my A$$ is with the backing of the Wyoming Govt/Wyo outfitter Assoc. they will keep us out OUR federal lands for hunting. But I guess we can bird watch, fish, hike, camp, ETC and not have to have a guide hold our hands.

"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
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>I personally would like to see
>outfitting only apply to non
>residents on private land.


I personally would like to see a portion of resident tags be required to use a guide.
 

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