Indian Artifact??? How old???

GoatT · Mar 29, 2018

Was out shed hunting and came across this hanging on a little tree limb. What do you all make of it. While walking along I looked up and saw a bigger piece of red cloth hanging in a tree and then I saw this hanging there. It looks like some sort of Indian artifact, but don't know what it could be. There is some beads that look like bone and are painted on as well as some kind of thing that reminds me of a dreamcatcher made out of grass wrapped around something in a circle as well as a pouch of something wrapped up and tied to it. What do you all think it might be. How old do you think it is?

huntin50 · Mar 29, 2018

LAST EDITED ON Mar-29-18 AT 09:25AM (MST)[p]It is a sacred Indian artifact. If removed from the location, the person has at least 20 years of bad luck in hunting and drawing tags. I hope you left it in place, and didn't disturb it.

GoatT · Mar 29, 2018

That explains my unsuccessfulness in the draws.

DW · Mar 29, 2018

I'd call the Pawn Stars they've got an expert that could come down and take a look at it! Then Rick will offer you tree Fiddy!

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notdonhunting · Mar 29, 2018

Did you remove the tag that said "Maide on China"

heartshot · Mar 29, 2018

3 years old

eelgrass · Mar 29, 2018

GoatT, very interesting. Where did you find it? What State? That would be helpful.

2_Point · Mar 29, 2018

the federal agents will turn it over to the da who will then let an antiquities expert write a report and your lawyer will be able to read the report to let you know how old it is

GoatT · Mar 29, 2018

I have had it for about 15 years. The area where I got it is now private property and someone's back yard.

elkassassin · Mar 29, 2018

Found it Right there on the Carpet Didn't You?

It Ain't Easy being Me!

Gator · Mar 29, 2018

Pretty new, A lot of them still put the antlers back in a cedar tree after they harvest a deer, I have seen them do a prayer before taking part of the deer back seen them wrap up the heart and do a prayer with, I'm sure some Ute or Navajo can tell ya more about that then I can.
Some part of the old ways still are used in their very day life.

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Muleman1 · Mar 29, 2018

It's not 15 years old u sure u didn't just find it ?

txhunter58 · Mar 29, 2018

Found it hanging on a LITTLE tree limb. That would indicate it was put there not long before you found it. It is intriguing, but doesn't look that old

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)

joesikora · Mar 29, 2018

LAST EDITED ON Mar-29-18 AT 06:17PM (MST)[p]Hi Goat, what ever it is it looks cool! Good luck finding its origin. As said earlier check out the Indian community and see if they know what it is
Let us know what you find out

Goat you didn't say what state it came from fill us in

Joe

"Sometimes you do things wrong for so long you
think their right" - 2001
"I can't argue with honesty" - 2005
-Joe E Sikora

RELH · Mar 29, 2018

The cloth in picture number 4 appears to be a synthetic fiber and not cotton or wool and it should not be an older Indian artifact if that is a synthetic fiber cloth.

RELH

GoatT · Mar 30, 2018

LAST EDITED ON Mar-30-18 AT 11:09AM (MST)[p]Yes, found it about 15 years ago in northern Utah and I stored it in a box shortly after that, so it has been sitting in a box for 15 years. Something sitting in a box that long with very little change to humidity and such will not deteriorate much. I don't believe it was hanging for very long before that since it looks like modern day material. I was thinking it was maybe a few years old when I found it. I don't know. I did some research though and found that it is considered to be a quill medicine wheel and a prayer tie with some beadwork.

Zim · Mar 30, 2018

The cloth looks like a fairly modern tied sock. Did you look what was inside there?

GoatT · Mar 30, 2018

No, haven't looked inside. Research I've done on prayer ties show that it's most likely tobacco. More just a conversation piece.

marburg · Mar 30, 2018

That is some modern era ceremonial piece, not an artifact.

Joe2Kool · Mar 31, 2018

It's a hidden immunity idol. You can't be voted off the island tonight.

elkassassin · Apr 1, 2018

>It's a hidden immunity idol.
>You can't be voted off
>the island tonight.

I Like Joe2Kool's Reply the Best!

Some BS Built Survivor Item!

It Ain't Easy being Me!

BeanMan · Apr 1, 2018

I think it is a probably a modern New Ager artifact.

Hasbean

NVBighorn · Apr 1, 2018

How long does it have to be there before it changes from litter to an artifact?

elkassassin · Apr 1, 2018

>How long does it have to
>be there before it changes
>from litter to an artifact?
>

Long Enough that You have to Sneak it out of the Woods!

It Ain't Easy being Me!

Binks89 · Dec 14, 2018

Hi I'm new here but I am a tribal member from Idaho.... what you have found looks to me like what we call a medicine bundle. It's the place you found it most likely was special to whoever left it. It's used in prayer the stuff in the pouch is most likely cedar, sage, and tobacco. The circle with the cross in it is called a medicine wheel it's often colored red, black, white, and yellow and it represents quite a bit and would be hard to explain here. Some type of red fabric is often left with these type of things.

elkassassin · Dec 14, 2018

So Binks?

Any Guess on age?

I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!

264mag · Dec 15, 2018

Amazon has a good sale on those with free shipping.

Binks89 · Dec 15, 2018

Elkassassin agewise probably was made within a couple years before being hung in the tree. I wouldn't say that it was real old.

Gator · Dec 15, 2018

Thanks for enlightening us.
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roadrunner · Dec 15, 2018

If it is indeed a cultural artifact with age (50+ years old), I wouldn't advertise I had it.

Kind of a felony...

elkassassin · Dec 15, 2018

>If it is indeed a cultural
>artifact with age (50+ years
>old), I wouldn't advertise I
>had it.
>
>Kind of a felony...

I Doubt it's that Old!

I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!

elkassassin · Dec 15, 2018

I Done some research!

That Tabacy might be Peyote!

I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!

roadrunner · Dec 15, 2018

Peyote helps you see big chickens in the spirit world...

elkassassin · Dec 15, 2018

>Peyote helps you see big chickens
>in the spirit world...

And what do BIG Chickens mean?

I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!

roadrunner · Dec 15, 2018

> And what do BIG Chickens
>mean?
>
>
>I know so many people in
>so many places
>They make allot of money but
>they got sad faces
>
>It Ain't Easy being Me!

Don't know, you'll have to ask Steve...

DW · Dec 16, 2018

https://youtu.be/11rsHQ15gE0

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elkassassin · Dec 16, 2018

I Figured it was full of Peyote!

I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!

elkassassin · Dec 16, 2018

Some GOOD SShhhiiit evidentally!

I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!

Deepcolor · Dec 16, 2018

Elk, have you ever considered getting a new puppy? You could get that positive feedback you obviously crave whenever you want. Just walk in the room and your little fella goes nuts......every time!

joesikora · Dec 16, 2018

Welcome to MM Binks89
Thanks so much for your info on the object very cool
As a Tribal member what are your duties?
I just love learning about this stuff

Thanks again and welcome. How to hear more from you in the future

Joe

"Sometimes you do things wrong for so long you
think their right" - 2001
"I can't argue with honesty" - 2005
-Joe E Sikora

GoatT · Dec 17, 2018

I didn't think it was too old. After doing some research on it I felt I necessary to return it from where I found it. It is laying at the base of the tree from which I found it. Hopefully I did not disturb any spiritual representation it held.

mulecreek · Dec 17, 2018

>After doing some
>research on it I felt
>I necessary to return it
>from where I found it.

Nicely done, GoatT.

Binks89 · Dec 17, 2018

Joesikora as a tribal member I feel my duty is to represent my people in an honest and respectful way. I will try my best to answer questions if I know the answer or explanation.....

GoatT Awesome that you were respectful to place the prayer bundle back. I'm sure you will be blessed for doing so.

elkassassin · Dec 17, 2018

>I didn't think it was too
>old. After doing some
>research on it I felt
>I necessary to return it
>from where I found it.
> It is laying at
>the base of the tree
>from which I found it.
> Hopefully I did not
>disturb any spiritual representation it
>held.

You're in BIG Trouble GoatT!

I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!

coondog · Dec 17, 2018

>Elk, have you ever considered getting
>a new puppy? You could
>get that positive feedback you
>obviously crave whenever you want.
>Just walk in the room
>and your little fella goes
>nuts......every time!

That would be great for everyone but the poor little puppy ?