World record typical 226"???

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This would be huge news if it really is legit.

By the way, I passed one up this year that was just a little bit bigger than this because it was a few minutes before legal shooting hours ended and I didn't want to take any chances.

I hunted for him for the rest of the season, but he gave me the slip.
 
There were comments about a year ago saying that they thought that the Burris Buck would never be beaten. At the time i wondered how the person could say that. Every year there are bucks taken with a larger main frame and some huge typicals that fall just short.

If, i say IF, this buck proves out, awesome!! Nothing taken away from the Burris Buck one bit but i've thought for awhile now that it is doomed to be bettered sooner than later.

Thanks for posting this Monster!!

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-24-13 AT 00:36AM (MST)[p]billythekid, Unless your post is based on some facts that you are not sharing with us, your post is the very worst kind that we get here at MonsterMuleys!

What we don't need here, is some guy like you posting negative trash talk every time someone else comes here posting pictures of their trophy buck.

If you know stuff for sure, fine. But if you just want to diss on others success for drill, we can do without the BS!!

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
Wouldn't that be something to see one of the icons of mule deer hunting bested.

Let's hope this buck's score pans out.

Eldorado
 
I see some deductions on those huge backs...looks like it will be close.

I said in that post last year that it would be broken...just needed the right buck without trash or big deductions.

This should be interesting.
 
well mr cardoz, I would not put much faith in any thing coming out of mexico, I mean their law and order is. well it is what it is,,,,
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-24-13 AT 11:53AM (MST)[p]You might be on to something, the current B&C typical record is 226 4/8...226 is not enough for a B&C record. Wade Lemon's son guided the previous SCI world record typical mule deer from the Henry's in 2008...226 3/8 so I'm still sticking with it being an SCI WR.
 
Wow. What a toad. In saying that IMHO no matter how awesome the animal there's always going to be the negative people trying to deplete the real facts, when it should be about the animal. admit it or not jealousy really hurts and it's uncontrollable to them. IMHO. Congrats to the hunter on accomplishing what I set out and try to do year after year, but haven't found him yet. Well done and can't wait to hear how it all pans out.
 
elkun, That's Cardoza.

Mr. Cardoza to you!! :)

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-24-13 AT 07:54PM (MST)[p]I see no reason to flip out on those that question this deer.
Look up the rancho el volteadero website and then make up your own mind if it seems fishy or not.

Look at the gallery....Looks and smells like a fish then it is a fish. Looks like a mighty high fence ear tags, feeders an all.
Another canned hunt operation trying to pass another one over on everyone.
People should be more pissed at those that keep trying to pass these cattle pets off as free range no matter what they paid for them.
http://ranchoelvolteadero.com/gallery.html
 
Knack, fair enough! I just think it is a shame that every time someone is nice enough to post picks of their trophy, someone else is ready to diminish the accomplishment.

As i said, if there is something, facts, to support his claims, so be it. It appears that there may be.

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
Life is about so much more than arguing about any critter.

Kinda like when my 4-year old opens her gifts in the morning on Christmas tomorrow. Now that is special!

However when someone trys to pull a fast one I see nothing wrong with exposing it.
I think it takes a man of honor to tell the truth to others; be it there kids or others.
The ones without honor that create fairy tales and pump there chest have created the kaos we see here recently on MM.
At least when I tell my daughter or others how I hunt, I am truthful 100% and it matters little if others question it to me.
A man is either a liar or a man of honor.
To those that know what I mean I wish you a Merry Christmas.
Best,
Jerry
 
Knack, do you know for fact that rancho el volteadero does not offer guided fair chase hunts on land other than their high fence area?

I'm not saying one way or the other but still we do not know all the info of this awesome animal. Again, i hesitate to accuse and certainly hate to see those who post pic's get torn down unless all the facts of the hunt are known for sure.

"To those that know what I mean I wish you a Merry Christmas."

Could you possibly be more condescending? Might be tough to do!

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
"At least when I tell my daughter or others how I hunt, I am truthful 100% and it matters little if others question it to me."

I bet you've NEVER stretched a hunting story...EVER

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It looks like there is a photo of that buck in velvet eating out of a feeder. Maybe its free ranging on the ranch and baiting is legal.

I like big bucks and don't care for sci. There is just something about a high pay ranch hunt that isn't the same for me as a regular guided hunt on puplic land.

To each their own though. Just don't try and play your trophy off as a new world reccord if its a trough buck.

I don't see them saying its a b&c world reccord buck.

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This buck is a great buck. Although, IT IS a high fence buck. High fence bucks are fine as long as hunters and guides do not attempt to pass them off as a free range animal. Does SCI count high fence bucks towards world records?
 
Well, if SCI includes high fence then maybe it is a possible world record because that buck is high fence!
 
Sci actually has a separate category for pen raised animals. Not saying that is the case here, but thought I would just clarify as I prefer sci over Boone and Crockett, sci gives the animal full credit for all the bone they grew same as the Boone and crockett gross score. And the farm raised animals are in a totally separate category.
 
There's a 90% chance that buck was killed on. Private ranch, the Burris buck was taken in public free ranging can't compare the two, not as far as I'm concerned anyways, nice buck tho only in my dreams, but again big money wins out so some what disappointing to me...peace out...
 
One would think that the high fenced SCI record would be bigger than 226. I personally don't see why they even have a record book for high fenced animals.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-28-13 AT 07:53AM (MST)[p]

Does this one look familiar? I think it is the same buck. Pic taken directly from the El Volteadero website.

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Thought the smiles on the guides looked a little like they were "forcing it" or "painted on"...I guess it would be difficult to be really proud of a pen raised trophy!!!
 
Why would the guide want to be in the picture? Just means everytime you see their faces for here on out you'll be suspecting 'High Fence'. You do it once and it sticks on you forever.
 
An accomplishment????

Great animal, but you must be joking about harvesting him being an accomplishment.

I would say many of the 24" bucks guys post here (and have stopped doing so, damit) are much more accomplished than that thing.

Again, awesome animal.....please admit what it really is in the end.....no more, no less.
 
I'm afraid I've never put much stock in an SCI Record, knowing that it was likely a high fence animal. Based upon their website, I don't think I saw any "high fence" mentioned (I could have missed it), but, either way, I only recognize Boone & Crockett records (Pope and Young for archery)...

"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24
 
>An accomplishment????
>
>Great animal, but you must be
>joking about harvesting him being
>an accomplishment.
>
>I would say many of the
>24" bucks guys post here
>(and have stopped doing so,
>damit) are much more accomplished
>than that thing.
>
>Again, awesome animal.....please admit what it
>really is in the end.....no
>more, no less.

Sorry, i should have made it more obvious that i was joking. I wouldn't even call it a great animal.
 
assumptions can ruin a lot of good stuff....

First off, I don't like high fence hunts/animals but not one piece of evidence has been posted showing that this specific buck was in fact a high fence animal. Yes there other bucks with fences in the back ground but not this one. I don't now if it was a HF buck or not and will hold my opinion till it is known for sure.

Don't be too quick to judge a buck before you know what actually happend, could be why people rarely post pics on here...

An awesome looking rack by the way, doesn't even look real it is so big!

Mntman

"Hunting is where you prove yourself"


Let me guess, you drive a 1 ton with oak trees for smoke stacks, 12" lift kit and 40" tires to pull a single place lawn mower trailer?
 
You would think this would have hit Trophy Watch by now if it was legit? hmmm, high fenced bucks on the ranch website, but we are jumping to conclusions thinking this is a high fence buck??? if it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck and acts like a duck, it probably is a duck!
 
The photo that Roy posted with the buck next to the trough, indicates to me that this is not a high fenced buck. If it was, why would you need to take the photo at night? I think it probably is a trail cam photo. If you have a buck in a pen, why would you need a trail cam?

Note: I said INDICATES, as I don't know all the facts.

Eel
 
The Buck is High Fence i have a pic of this buck being transported with his feet tied an a hood over its eyes. I am not going to post it i dont want to get anyone in trouble. If it not high fence then why are they not disputing the fact.
 
>The photo that Roy posted with
>the buck next to the
>trough, indicates to me that
>this is not a high
>fenced buck. If it was,
>why would you need to
>take the photo at night?
>I think it probably is
>a trail cam photo. If
>you have a buck in
>a pen, why would you
>need a trail cam?
>
>Note: I said INDICATES, as I
>don't know all the facts.
>
>
>Eel

eel,

most of the "high fence" operations are not pens but enclosures of various sizes. even though killing a buck like this might take a few days in a good sized enclosure, it's a sure deal and requires little effort. a camera/trough setup is common as it can be difficult to get pics of these bucks in the day. even though they are enclosed in 1-5k acres. most of the time they are raised and fed in a pen during antler development and then released in the enclosure to breed and be hunted. they are then again captured and returned to the pen.
 
It is tough to trust anything coming from Mexico... I went to Mexico two times and felt each time money talks and nothing else. I also would not be surprised if some of the ranchers with low fences buy pen raised deer to release and have shot on their ranches for more MONEY!!!

Nothing beats a public land giant!!!! That why I will not be going back to Mexico!!! Ever!!
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-29-13 AT 04:08PM (MST)[p]From what i see: a buck pic taken from a trail cam, very much like those monster bucks whose pic's we see that get taken every year from a water or food source in the better AZ units.

Still not saying one way or the other but many here are just too quick to condemn, convict, and call upon the firing squad!

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
Im going to Mexico next week if i harvest a big buck i will post it. It will be fair chase you can bet on that.
 
>The photo that Roy posted with
>the buck next to the
>trough, indicates to me that
>this is not a high
>fenced buck. If it was,
>why would you need to
>take the photo at night?
>I think it probably is
>a trail cam photo. If
>you have a buck in
>a pen, why would you
>need a trail cam?
>
>Note: I said INDICATES, as I
>don't know all the facts.
>
>
>Eel


JUDAS Eel!

The Trail Cam Pics were probably sent to Clients making things look Wild/Good!:D

Mighta even Snuck the Buck in to B&C?

But Thanks to Roy...................!









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I would now agree it is a HF buck :) At least they were sneaky and took the ear tag out for the kill shot...

Mntman

"Hunting is where you prove yourself"


Let me guess, you drive a 1 ton with oak trees for smoke stacks, 12" lift kit and 40" tires to pull a single place lawn mower trailer?
 
Nope I suppose the deer got tangled in rope naturally and then face planted on someones discarded spedo's while impaling it's ear on a kids gumball plastic earing....Then someone found it this way and released this "wild" buck back into nature out of pure kindness.

Amazing the lengths some go to to try to get entered into the book and the stories they make up each year. Gets worse every year because how many sadly got away with it in the past?
These type of people want to rewrite the record books with huge pet deer and will go to obviously any lengths to do so.
Get mad at me all you want but this is not hunting and definitely should piss you off.

Possibly someday you shoot a real monster that would have been the record while actually hunting but instead you have 5-10 of these pets listed that succesfully fooled you into believing they were legit.
Do not think it will happen? How many of these posts have we seen on here that are found out? Now how many do you think made it while kept on the down low till all evidence was gone?
Last I knew this was MonsterMuleys and not MonsterPets.com
Best,
Jerry
 
Jerry,
Talk about conspiracy theories eh? Maybe take the tinfoil off every once in a while and come back to earth eh buddy? Do you see records falling every day? Or are you suggesting that that nice ol' meat hunter that just killed the new Worlds Record Yukon moose perhaps grew it in a pen? ha ha ha. It is obvious these boys weren't trying to pull a fast one on the B&C. Do you really think they would have high fenced nimals on their website if they were serious about fooling everyone?? The picture says World record yes, but there are more record books than just the B&C isn't there. I wouldn't doubt this is indeed the World Record for SCI Typical Desert Mule Deer Estate Class.
 
BCBoy-
You do not need to see records falling everyday to know it is going on..Contact BC and SCI for yourself to find out.
They do catch quite a few that try to pull the wool over there eyes but will admit it is possible.
Obviously they are not all World Record entries but ones that could have claimed a spot ahead of a real hunters once in a lifetime critter in the books.

To give you an idea how long it has been going on with even legit deer shot....Use Darner as an example trying to claim deer shot by others before he was born as his hunted BC class animals......Do you seriously think that was a only happend once incident?

Where did I say every New Pending record was raised in a pen?
You might feel better if you went and had a drink at the Golden Nugget in Sudbury or something.
 
That pic where the buck is hog tied is a photo-shop job if i ever saw one and a poor one at that. :)

OK, OK, guess i'll finally buy in that this is/was a high fenced buck. As such, it will probably be eligible for inclusion to the SCI record program. I personally have been a member of Boone and Crockett and generally don't care much for the other guys records as, to me, they seem a bit too liberal on what they will accept.

Anyway, sure would have been nice if the ranch owners, a rep, or even the hunter or friend of this taken monster would have stepped forward much earlier and told us of this deer. Instead, it was up to the MM gestapo to painstakingly ferret out bits and pieces of the truth until the "goods" finally come forth. I hate this part of MM, the Gestapo part, and have gone on record above as saying so.

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
hahahaha. People cheating to get into SCI??? No need to cheat, they accept anything. They'll even create a new category for ya just so you can feel special. Seriously Jerry, your conspiracy theories are a wonder to behold.
 
In my opinion, mule deer are the greatest game species for two reasons--they are accessible to all, and success on the hunt still correlates directly with effort. I do not count "effort" to include pulling a disc over one's alfalfa field or dumping feed into barrels. It will be a sad day if mule deer hunters ever throw in the towel and begin sitting in blinds over bait. For now, no man I know would dare brag on a tame deer, and I hope that never changes.
 
"For now, no man I know would dare brag on a tame deer, and I hope that never changes."

Wade Lemon just did.
 
And how many here will ever respect anything he does from here on out??? Some quick money now probably wasn't the wisest business decision now was it?
 
Shame on anyone that would try to pass a high fenced deer as a free range deer. That deer is incredible and even if it was on a 500 acre fenced area...you know that deer is confined. I really hope the outfitter isn't trying to pass it off as a free range deer. He'd be setting himself up for a huge fall.

Cancer doesn't discriminate...don't take your good health for granted because it can be gone in a heartbeat. Please go back and read the last line. This time really understand what it says.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-31-13 AT 00:00AM (MST)[p]Yes, Feleno. I do not know who bears responsibility for this embarrassment, but I am thankful for the sort of people with whom I hunt, and who would laugh at the suggestion that this buck might constitute some sort of "record".
 
Maybe they armed him with a AK47 so it was a fair hunt before they took off the blindfold.


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I thought Kalen and Wade were legitimate guides... I always thought they were the guys putting in the real work in the videos they were involved in. I'm afraid this whole scenario has enlightened me to the contrary...

I'm glad I haven't bought any of THOSE videos in years...

"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24
 
High fence mule deer hunting does not seem to have a positive effect on careers or professional mule deer hunters... I sure have not heard or seen much of Steve Alderman after his hunting of the Texas high fence mule deer...
 
Congrats to the hunter. Brownlee, Darner and Moss would be proud. On a side note, I for one, would love to see a SFW Sonorah chapter. Don Peay could get some results south of the border and help bring the coues deer back!
 
SWF should get with these guys that raised this deer. If they still have some bucks with this bucks Genes take some of those does that are to be transplanted and let them spend the rut in the pen with one of these big boys.

Then transplant them back up north. You got to love those big 4X4 Genes they have down in Mexico.
 
Some of you think they weren't trying to "pull one over on the b&C"? That pic sure as hell doesn't say dons 226" pending sci world record now does it?
 
you got to love those big 4x4 genes they have in mexico, all in a bottle?????? did you guys killing big deer in mexico really think they had that many wild ones?? I had a friend that lived in mexico, that told me that they had been selling fake wild deer to rich white boys for years,( the deer is a whopper , you got to give them that),,,,,
 
BCBOY-
Here are a few scandals in the past after a quick look. There are plenty more where those came from.
Maybe do some research before you claim something hasn't been happening when it has for a very long time.
Maybe you will see the light reflected off that supposed tinfoil hat your found of spouting off about.

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1863149

http://www.whitetail.com/rompolagate.html

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/record-whitetail-deer.shtml

http://forums.bowsite.com/tf/bgforums/thread.cfm?forum=7&threadid=375407
 
Howdy, and Happy New Year! Boy I came back to a good one. First because I know yall all want to know every little detail about me let me state specifically that I do know Wade Lemon. I have paid for and gone on a Mountain Lion Hunt with his company. I have many customers that have also hunted with his company. I know that Wade has never once even slightly bent the truth about my business with him. I have never heard one single person ever say that Wade bent the truth about their business with him.

I would also like to state if any of you have questions about this deer or the killing of it I would suggest that you contact Wade directly and ask him. Do not be afraid of talking to him. Am I insulted that he doesn't put which scoring club he is referencing in the photo? Nope. I could care less. What someone else's deer scores by which club doesn't make one bit of difference when I go hunting and have fun. I am surprised it effects yall to this degree.

Do I know if this deer was shot in a high fenced area? No I do not. Why don't yall pic up a telephone and ask Wade? Do I have a problem if Wade wants to take clients on a high fenced shoot? Not one bit. Again it doesn't change my hunting experience in the tiniest bit.

I believe the only problem that Wade can run into here is if in some way he has defrauded the client into believing the service and deer were not what they had been presented as at point of sale. But none of us and I mean NONE OF US have any information of the actual business that has gone on here.

I am no longer amazed at the amount of childish speculation which drives people's emotions on this sight. You can speculate about a picture with nothing but a few words on it until you are blue in the face. You can speculate about "missing" deer until the cows come home. You can speculate about other people's money and business. At what point do our own lives become interesting enough that we no longer speculate about everything else just to create drama?????

The only real suggestion I have for ALL people in the hunting industry is it would probably be wise to quit posting "pending" scores. This also goes for "official green scores" and "gross scores". I get three of these e-mails a day and I give them little notice. I think it would be better to wait until the official score sheet ink is dry to bolster credibility. At the same time I understand the industry and the appetite of the consumer and realize all this is difficult.


My best suggestion for all of you out there is to talk to Wade Lemon and maybe even visit with him at the upcoming hunting shows. Here's a really crazy idea. GO BOOK A HUNT WITH WADE! Go get some first hand knowledge and HAVE FUN!
 
I could care less what they do, That is totally up to the Lemon crew. The picture of the buck with the legs tied and blindfolded really is what bring home the HF thing. I don't anyone who would love to hunt him after seeing that.

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Jerry,
Please show us where the sappy guide and his high fence shooter in the OP were trying to defraud anyone??? The SCI accepts these Testtube roid freaks into their records. If they were indeed trying to fool the B&C don't you think they wouldn't have high fenced critters on their website??? I would think that would be the first lesson taught in KD's muley scam class, hide all evidence!!! hahaha. But keep believing what you will. No one has ever been able to get you to believe logic in the past, I don't see that changing now. Best of luck in 2014. Maybe this is the year the aliens land and take you home! ;)
 
Tristate,
what kind of knowledge does he have to offer?? How to grow a 'World Record' in a test tube??? Maybe he can share his recipe for his Roid cocktail with us??? hahaha.
 
BCBoy,

Maybe he does have that info. Maybe he doesn't. Why don't you go talk to him and find out instead of thinking you will get accurate answers to anything from the internet.
 
Pictures speak a thousand words. I don't care for 'fake' muleys, so no need to talk to the guide who held the shooter's hand to the feed bucket in the pen. I am fortunate to hunt some of the wildest country in North America with true World Class muleys roaming the timber here. Why would I want to get 'insight' from someone who shoots them in a pen?
 
Good, then you are in good company because Wade Lemon hunts right there next to you. Are you scared you might find out he is a really good guy offering really good hunts, in really good areas with really good guides.

Right now you kind of sound like a guy to scared to enter a grocery store because they sell brussell sprouts and you hate that stuff. Never mind all the good food offered.

Quit depending on what gets fed to you on internet forums and go actually deal with real people with skin in the game.
 
hahaha, it seems those that have gone over to the dark side have a hard time coming back from it. He may well have been a good hunter but he'll have a hard time from here on out selling hunts to guys who actually hunt. His career just took a turn and his clients will be far different now. It is just like slippin in dog $hit and trying to get the stink off of ya. It stays on ya for a long long time.
 
No, I did not go on a high fence cougar hunt. I did not kill a lion on that hunt by the way but I had my sights set very high as I have already killed a couple of lions with one being a world class giant.

There was an opportunity to kill an average cat but I wasn't interested.

I have been putting in for draws in Utah for a special cougar tag and when I draw it I will probably hire Wade Lemon Hunting again.

As for BCBoys idea that Wade's business will suffer because of whatever is assumed was done from the pictures I would be greatly surprised. It has been my experience that when people make predictions on other people's business to fail, they are usually incorrect.
 
Anyone remember that guy from Idaho that used to make good muley videos? Wonder how he's doing since he started filming High Fences? Different strokes for different folks. Ain't too many that frequent this site that roll that way. His clients will no doubt be different from here on out. It blows my mind that some quality guys have been lost to the dark side, but money and paying bills is a big motivator for some I guess. I myself would rather continue being broke and hunting free range monster muleysfor 3 months a year in my own backyard. Our lions are pretty big too. ;)
 
I had sworn to myself I would not get into this one, but I am going to throw into it. BC you ar a serious dumba$$ on this matter.

First of all Mexico has no real "public land" to hunt and fish. So if you are going down there it will be on a ranch. That ranch will likely have a high fence to keep everything inside the ranch safe, including you. Mexico is not known for it's overall safety and hospitable nature, other then the torrist areas.

Second, here is the link to Wade's website: http://wlhunting.com/

Look the guy up for a few seconds. He is a true hunter and has been since you were in diapers. He has been a professional guide for over 30 years, and I gaurantee you he doesn't need advice from a bunch of keyboard jockeys. Hell the guy has his own breed of hounds!! And ask any houndsman out there, they will know the name of Wade Lemon.

Get a clue morons!!
 
I am indeed a dumbass. A jackass as well. ;) I do know if I had a good rep as an outfitter, I certainly wouldn't risk that for any amount of money to be associated in any way shape or form to the harvesting of a high fenced critter.
 
>I had sworn to myself I
>would not get into this
>one, but I am going
>to throw into it.
>BC you ar a serious
>dumba$$ on this matter.
>
>First of all Mexico has no
>real "public land" to hunt
>and fish. So if
>you are going down there
>it will be on a
>ranch. That ranch will
>likely have a high fence
>to keep everything inside the
>ranch safe, including you.
>Mexico is not known for
>it's overall safety and hospitable
>nature, other then the torrist
>areas.
>
>Second, here is the link to
>Wade's website: http://wlhunting.com/
>
>Look the guy up for a
>few seconds. He is
>a true hunter and has
>been since you were in
>diapers. He has been a
>professional guide for over 30
>years, and I gaurantee you
>he doesn't need advice from
>a bunch of keyboard jockeys.
> Hell the guy has
>his own breed of hounds!!
> And ask any houndsman
>out there, they will know
>the name of Wade Lemon.
>
>
>Get a clue morons!!

So you're saying that the majority of mule deer hunts in Mexico are high-fenced hunts? If so, i need to cross that region off my list.
 
You are completely missing the point here. Go to his website, you will see a seperate tab for Sonora Mexico hunts. There it describes exactly what hunt you will be hunting, on a ranch, with a freaking chef on hand!! He is not risking his reputation at all because he says it is on a ranch, with a freaking chef on hand. The hunter knows what they are buying!

If you are a truly FULL TIME guide and outfitter, as Wade and his son Kalan are, there is some serious down time, unless you find other avenues to keep the money coming in. As such they hunt in Mexico and South America. They have hunters go down and shoot problem jaguars in South America, and guess what those guys can't bring the pelt or anything else back. They get pictures and a once in a lifetime experience. BUT, the hunter knows that up front.

Wade has been doing this game for 30 years, his reputation is NOT at risk. He was not the one who posted the picture on this forum!! I think he should have a right to sue the original joker who put the picture here for defemation cause all he did was post a picture with no understanding or description of what the photo is really about.

As Tristate said, call Wade, talk it over with him. The guy will actually answer his phone, he is not some self centered prick who is trying to get fame. HE IS a great guy. If you don't want to do a Mexico hunt then he won't care, or try to pressure you into it. If you do want a "fair chase" hunt here in Utah, well you will be hard pressed to find a better outfitter.
 
Well that is just fine! You better cross Texas off your list too, cause all the land down there is privately held and managed too. It has something to do with the Spanish and us taking Texas away from Mexico. Google it.
 
Pookie your a bigger dumba$$ for this statement!


That ranch will likely have a high fence to keep everything inside the ranch safe, including you.







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BCBOY-
SCI has different catagories. Ya really think some have not entered cage bucks into free range catagories even in SCI?
I have done some work for you to show your wrong on the matter in post 71.
It should seem fairly evident and logical by now but..
Your comments about tinfoil hats and aliens and such seem too obvious you have some kind of animosity for me personally for whatever reason.
All I have to say to that is get over it and yourself.
I am just sharing real info to those that may not have had facts.

Now I will get back to continuing my plans for 2014's hunts and stop wasting time arguing just to argue like you would like.
Best,
Jerry
 
pookie,
Shouldn't winter be the busy crazy time for a lion outfitter??? Why the hell would you play with pened muleys in mexico when you should be going balls to the walls chasing dogs??? Off season and down time for a houndsman is the summer.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-02-14 AT 05:23PM (MST)[p]>Well that is just fine!
>You better cross Texas off
>your list too, cause all
>the land down there is
>privately held and managed too.
> It has something to
>do with the Spanish and
>us taking Texas away from
>Mexico. Google it.



LMAO!!!!! TexASS has been crossed off my list since...........wait, TexASS has never been on my list.

Did it really take all three of those clowns to find that buck???

It must of been really tough for those spotters to keep track of that buck until the shooters arrival. I guess I'll call ole Wade and ask.

Hey Pig, do you have wades Number?
 
I forgot about this thread, as I don't wander around much any more, hahaha!

How did we get from this:

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To this:

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Sorry, but I can't stop laughing!!!!LOL!

Hey, there could be a logical explanation. I sure would like to hear it. hahahaha!

Eel
 
I wasn't going to post anymore on this thread as if BCBoy couldn't split the wood, above, no sense in me trying too! lol

I do want to though, touch on what i'm sensing to be a growing trend in these pages and couldn't be further from the truth. Just because one can hunt or has access to private land in mule deer or elk country, doesn't in the least keep it from being a Fair Chase hunt.

Most of us that have been in this game for a long time have hunted both private and public land. I hunted several good ranches back in the day when all we had to do is ask. Money has changed things a bit in that regard but there are still way more privately owned grounds out there that get hunted fairly than there ever will be with high fences. Do NOT lump them together, in most cases there is a world of difference between the two!

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
>Well that is just fine!
>You better cross Texas off
>your list too, cause all
>the land down there is
>privately held and managed too.
> It has something to
>do with the Spanish and
>us taking Texas away from
>Mexico. Google it.


You said high-fenced. Now you're changing that to private and managed. There is a difference. And yes, I'd rather hunt the west over Texas. Hunted
Texas earlier this month and it was boring sitting in a blind waiting for a whitetail to walk by.
 
>I wasn't going to post anymore
>on this thread as if
>BCBoy couldn't split the wood,
>above, no sense in me
>trying too! lol
>
>I do want to though, touch
>on what i'm sensing to
>be a growing trend in
>these pages and couldn't be
>further from the truth. Just
>because one can hunt or
>has access to private land
>in mule deer or elk
>country, doesn't in the least
>keep it from being a
>Fair Chase hunt.
>
>Most of us that have been
>in this game for a
>long time have hunted both
>private and public land. I
>hunted several good ranches back
>in the day when all
>we had to do is
>ask. Money has changed things
>a bit in that regard
>but there are still way
>more privately owned grounds out
>there that get hunted fairly
>than there ever will be
>with high fences. Do NOT
>lump them together, in most
>cases there is a world
>of difference between the two!
>
>
>Joey
>
>
>"It's all about knowing what your
>firearms practical limitations are and
>combining that with your own
>personal limitations!"

Gotta love time off and nothing to do because its puking snow. ;)

I have no issues with private land hunting. I do have issues with high fences and the trend of growing 'World Records' through the use of AI, genetic manipulation, and gobs of chemicals and specialized feed.
 
BC, of course, i believe most of us do and feel the same way. Some here were getting things mixed up though, if admitting it or not.

I myself don't think of it much because i've not hunted the "game only" type of ranches but believe i would stand back at any more than putting out what you normally would for the cattle.

I do remember a AZ monster killed with apples and a bow!

Joey

"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 

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