CO "Governor's" tag dates

ColoradoOak

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The Colorado Parks and Wildlife Commission voted today to change the end date for the statewide mule deer "governor's" tags. The new close date will be November 30 or the last day of the regular season in each respective unit, whichever is later (some hunts in eastern CO go until the end of December).
 
That is surprising as BGF is one of the $ponsor$ at the Grand Junction auction banquet....

Thanks for the info.....


Robb
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-10-14 AT 06:02PM (MST)[p]Leave it to our dumb ass leaders to do something so stupid. For everyone that thinks this is a win your an idiot. To punish all potential tag holders from here on out is simply wrong.

They will not step up and prosecute and stick to the idiots breaking all the rules so instead they stick to all of us that follow the rules. This sort of BS pisses me off. One ##### from Utah cost every tag holder from here forward a full month of hunting!!!!

I never once saw where they were taking public comment or even considering the idea. I heard rumors but when did they allow for input?
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-10-14 AT 06:07PM (MST)[p]Are they going to go out and band all other activities that might disturb deer as well? When will they cut off coyote hunting, trapping, etc. Becuase those guy also stress deer? I sure wish I knew this as I would have been there today to give my thoughts. INstead of stepping up and punishing the bastards doing things wrong they take something away from us all...



Also guess what they just raised the stakes of finding a big buck that much more and are now going to see the same crap happening, now..
 
This is awesome, I like the idea! If you can't find a buck worthy to put your tag on by Nov 30th then tough $h!t. I'd be dam happy to have a buck tag to hunt anywhere in colorado for simply a 2 week period let alone 3 months!


Mntman

"Hunting is where you prove yourself"


Let me guess, you drive a 1 ton with oak trees for smoke stacks, 12" lift kit and 40" tires to pull a single place lawn mower trailer?
 
Again this was never an issue for the last 20 or so years of having tags. But it became an issue when the idiot out of state guys screwed it up. Why would you be happy to loose an entire month of hunting because a handful of people do not follow the rules or the law.

It is BS that they never addressed the issue and the law breakers but instead stuck it to everyone else.

Look at the Gov tag holder this year who shared with us.... He may have never got his buck due to medical issues family issues etc. It is bs. If our herds can not handle 4 bucks being taken late in the season we have much bigger issues in CO.

Why not punish the guys that were breaking the laws? Next year we will hear about the same aholes doing the same crap and you will want season to end even earlier!!!

Your mentality to ban or shut it down is a dangerous game. When will we see atvs banned or calling for elk in teh rut or something you do not agree with? Why would you be happy to loose any hunting opportunity? Especially when DBs like Brownlee and Mossback are the problem!!!
 
But would you put up 100K for that two weeks? What a bunch of penis envy losers. First it was the middle of Jan, then end of Dec. Now end of Nov. What a friggin joke. Any business person would know that the revenue generated will go down significantly the next few years. You'll see some of these high rollers purchasing fourth season vouchers instead of the GOV tag. Were talking FOUR tags.
Word of warning to you landowners...you are next!
 
>Again this was never an issue
>for the last 20 or
>so years of having tags.
>But it became an issue
>when the idiot out of
>state guys screwed it up.
>Why would you be happy
>to loose an entire month
>of hunting because a handful
>of people do not follow
>the rules or the law.
>
>
>It is BS that they never
>addressed the issue and the
>law breakers but instead stuck
>it to everyone else.
>
>Look at the Gov tag holder
>this year who shared with
>us.... He may have never
>got his buck due to
>medical issues family issues etc.
>It is bs. If our
>herds can not handle 4
>bucks being taken late in
>the season we have much
>bigger issues in CO.
>
>Why not punish the guys that
>were breaking the laws? Next
>year we will hear about
>the same aholes doing the
>same crap and you will
>want season to end even
>earlier!!!
>
>Your mentality to ban or shut
>it down is a dangerous
>game. When will we see
>atvs banned or calling for
>elk in teh rut or
>something you do not agree
>with? Why would you be
>happy to loose any hunting
>opportunity? Especially when DBs like
>Brownlee and Mossback are the
>problem!!!


Its called poor planning...

I would not wait till december/January to fill my tag if I had the gov tag. I'd have my tag filled by middle of november, wouldn't care if it was the absolute biggest buck in the state that year or not. Yes I'd love to shoot a 250" buck but would probably end up shooting some 180-195" type.
Would be a lot more fun for me to have it be a challenge vs just driving around the winter range looking for a big buck from the road to walk up on and shoot. I'd rather find mine 3-5 miles back from the road with no one else around and a crazy story of how he almost got away, a bear in camp and a wind storm that blew for 2 days straight.

Greed drives people to always want more and more... again if you can't shoot a buck that makes you happy by the end of November then you;
A. didn't spend enough time hunting
B. didn't really know what you were doing (thus should hire a guide then)
C. luck just wasn't on your side
D. All of the above.
Thus it is called hunting. 3 months of hunting is MORE than enough time to fill a gov tag for a buck in Colorado.
If you need more time than that, check out Mexico I hear they have a bunch of WR muleys down there in a fence to chase.


Mntman

"Hunting is where you prove yourself"


Let me guess, you drive a 1 ton with oak trees for smoke stacks, 12" lift kit and 40" tires to pull a single place lawn mower trailer?
 
>But would you put up 100K
>for that two weeks? What
>a bunch of penis envy
>losers. First it was the
>middle of Jan, then end
>of Dec. Now end of
>Nov. What a friggin joke.
>Any business person would know
>that the revenue generated
>will go down significantly the
>next few years. You'll
>see some of these high
>rollers purchasing fourth season vouchers
>instead of the GOV tag.
>Were talking FOUR tags.
>Word of warning to you landowners...you
>are next!


100k? that is funny crap.
I would not pay 1 fricken dollar to a guide, landowner, spotter or anyone else if I had the Gov tag, not even if I had 20 million in the bank. I'd do it myself on public land. I would have 2 people with me tops; my dad and buddy Bret if he was able to get off work once n awhile. Dad wouldn't be able to keep up most of the time, so I'd be going alone probably 95% of the time. I got an azz ton of vacation saved up so I'd start the first weekend I was allowed to hunt which I guess would be the last weekend in August. If I could fill my tag that first saturday on a monster buck, I would. Wouldn't even get to experience a true rut hunt then but oh well.


Mntman

"Hunting is where you prove yourself"


Let me guess, you drive a 1 ton with oak trees for smoke stacks, 12" lift kit and 40" tires to pull a single place lawn mower trailer?
 
Sounds about like a Wy Gov tag now. CPW will lose a lot of revenue over this, but it's for the better, in my opinion. Wy Gov tags usually go for around 15K. Make up the loss of revenue elsewhere.
 
"""When will we see ATV's Banned?"""

Hopefully very Soon!

It's Too GAWD-DAMNED Late though!







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Cheers to all the average Joe hunters in Colo! What a great day this is! No more hunting rutting bucks on the winter ranges when there are no other hunters in the field. Cheers to the whopper bucks that if not harvested during the regular season dates live through another hunting season! Cheers to all the out of state guides and outfitters that made a fortune but are now forced to guide hunters when every other average Joe is in the field. Cheers to the monster muley guys that were handed big $ from guides and wealthy hunters that shot some of the highest scoring bucks in Colo each year on winter ranges when all ave Joe hunters were done for the season. Cheers to the CPW for stepping up and making a statement that $ doesn't always get the big bucks! Holy smokes I will sleep well tonight dreaming of the 200+ B&C bucks that will walk another day if not shot during the regular seasons!
 
If Squirrel is planning on getting another New Truck/Finders Fee next year He'll have to GIT-R-DONE before December!










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elks96,

There were two meetings held by CPW last March to discuss this issue, and you commented on the thread about them:
http://www.monstermuleys.info/cgi-b..._thread&om=24118&forum=DCForumID6&archive=yes

You sat in the same room as me in Buena Vista in June when CPW said they were developing an issue paper to address hunter concerns about late season deer hunting on the statewide tag. That issue paper was presented at the November Commission meeting (as are about 95% of Chapter 2 issue papers each year).

http://wildlife.state.co.us/ParksWildlifeCommission/Archives/2013Calendar/Pages/November2013.aspx
Scroll down to Issues Identification - Ch W-2 Issues, and start at page 11 of that document.

Folks had the November, December and January Commission meetings to comment on the issue paper. Today there was not a single person that testified on the issue.

Elks96, you also commented on Tomichi's remark back in December that deer would not longer be hunted in December, in the following thread:
http://www.monstermuleys.info/dcforum/DCForumID32/3752.html#38

Squirrel also voiced strong support for the change in that thread, although his other actions make that statement suspect.

The fact is, hunters complained to CPW, CPW developed an issue paper and presented it to the public AND the conservation organizations who auction and raffle the licenses, and there was not much opposition. So the Commission passed it. The process took 10 months, so folks had a lot of time to provide input. I don't necessarily agree with the change, but it is what it is.
 
It's about time. For the life of me I can't figure out how a guy can't find a BIG buck between September and November as was said nicely above by mnt. What the heck are you doing for 3 prime months? Especially September when there is not a shortage of BIG deer in timberline country and come November when they aren't exactly difficult to find if you get off the dang roads. Glad to see it.
 
Cooak, Because I have a keen analytical mind I suspect you don't like me much, I couldn't give two jerks of a little squirrels' tail. But for the record my 30 yr history of actions has never been inconsistent, with one youthful indiscretion of pushing for a winter range limited archery tag back in the early 90's. My position on the issue changed as I thought it through.

If you knew what you claim to know instead of just assuming and inferring you would change your view on my "actions", you might even find there were fewer "actions" than you thought there were. But it is not my job to educate you. I have neither the time nor the inclination. You know only a snippet of info here and there and filled in the rest based on your own biases. You are free to do that and I simply don't care.

Bessy... What can I say you are just such a Bessy... but nobody else could do it.

Tomichi, sorry I doubted you, but the moneyed interests always come in late and hard and wield lots of clout. This vampire may yet take a stake thru the heart to put it in the ground once and for all when the dow gets their paycut there will be much "wailing and gnashing of teeth". (all for the good of the animals, of course... this has NOTHING to do with money...)

This is a great example of David slaying Goliath, playing within the rules as they are written, and I , for one, am very surprised, and happy in spite of Cooak's assertions of hypocrisy.

Great day for the older/bigger deer of Co. their learned survival skills will not be compromised by legal poaching- the key word there is LEGAL. Elk96 if you have evidence use it otherwise take your opinions to the next set of meetings and let the chips fall where they may.
 
I'll bet the 4 tags still get sold and 4 lucky hunters have some really fun hunts and kill 4 really nice bucks. Net impact on the harvest will be exactly the same, but there will be less pressure on the herds later in the year. It's just a shame that the lucky hunters only have a quarter of the year now to find a buck they like.
 
Hold on a min is this the wonderful mossbacks fault?




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>Hold on a min is this
>the wonderful mossbacks fault?
>
>
>
>


Indirectly yes Hornkiller... Dam shame we are loosing this. Once again instead of enforcing the rules already on the books they make a new one. But them folks who initially started this bs have collected their pay checks and are happy. Push every but of the law for the sake of a harvest and dollars putting ethics aside and this is what we get. A season change taking away opportunity from everyone.

"Courage is being scared to death but saddling up anyway."
 
Tailchaser, I wouldn't exactly say this is an "opportunity taken away from everyone!" It may take opportunity away from those wealthy folks that can afford premium high dollar tags just about every year....and a couple guys that are lucky enough to get auction tags. I would think the lucky auction tag winners would be over-joyed to hunt all season dates from archery through the late rifle seasons? The opportunity is still there but they will be restricted to hunting when everyone else hunts.

I'm pretty sure these tags will still sell for a bloody fortune that none of us ave Joe's will ever be able to afford!
 
>So does this mean that guide
>with the glow in the
>dark horse teeth will now
>be taking a pay cut?
> bawahahaaa...


LMAO!

Sad, yet good deal that its come to this. I feel the last weekend of august to nov.30th is ample time to find a buck worthy of the tag IMO. From what I know and have seen majority of the gov tag bucks have been harvested the last half of November and December while deer are on the winter range. Stil,l finding a 200 plus inch buck on the winter range is no easy task from my experience. I truly wish that auction tags would be cut all together, for they are the tags that have truly ruined this tag for the most part, but they are what brings the money into the program all together as we all know. I have been part of and communicated back and forth with a few raffle tag winners and all were normal guys. With real jobs, families, and no hefty bank account. I feel auction tags create insurmountable stress level for the "average joe" raffle tags guys. Because they feel they have to 'match' that level of buck that the auction tags are expecting to kill and in turn ends up making the hunt more of a stressful, high pressure hunt to kill the "Daddy of all Mule Deer" instead of just going out in the woods and enjoying the time spent with the best tag in the world in your pocket and harvesting a buck that makes them happy. I feel that governors tags started out as a great tool for raising money for the species, but all in all they've turned into a very controversial ordeal across the west. No matter whether you're for it or against it. I honestly have no problem with RAFFLE gov tags, its like the lottery of hunting! Where as im against the high dollar, questionable ethics, all out bounty hunt style of hunt that auction tag as created over the past few years.

Coloradoboy
 
>>Hold on a min is this
>>the wonderful mossbacks fault?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>Indirectly yes Hornkiller... Dam shame we
>are loosing this. Once again
>instead of enforcing the rules
>already on the books they
>make a new one. But
>them folks who initially started
>this bs have collected their
>pay checks and are happy.
>Push every but of the
>law for the sake of
>a harvest and dollars putting
>ethics aside and this is
>what we get. A season
>change taking away opportunity from
>everyone.
>
>"Courage is being scared to death
>but saddling up anyway."

That is the real issue. We will still see goys breaking the same rules doing the same same crap only worse now because there is even more pressure to fill that tag. I do not buy the too much stress on wintering deer crap. It is a load of bull. If that was an issue we should cut all December cow hunts, all coyote hunting trapping, snow mobiles, ATVs, pi. And gas activity, truck traffic, hiking, snow shoeing, cross country skiing, etc. all of those should put way more stress on the deer than four stupid tags.

No matter how you look at it we lost another month of opportunity because the parks and wildlife would not step up and fix the problem. They could have tried several things to fix. But instead let's punish every potential tag holder from here on out because the parks and wildlife failed to enforce the law.

Why not have quotas in the top unit for the tag. Say only one governors tag buck could be taken per unit. First buck out of 44 shut it down. Then you would fix the problem without taking a whole month away.

It is sad that anyone would be happy about loosing opportunity because the parks and wildlife failed to enforce and address the issue.

If I ever get lucky enough to have the tag, I would sure like to have more time than less time....
 
So?

I take it everybody next year will wait till the last week of November before any Governors Bucks will be Harvested?

Maybe elks96 can get the Rules/Laws changed to where we can Hunt them Year around?










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LAST EDITED ON Jan-11-14 AT 08:37PM (MST)[p]Yep nothing would be better.... That is exactly what I am arguing for... If you read I am pissed that they shut it down because the parks and wildlife failed to enforce the rules and laws... This only became a issue when out of state outfitters started get wrapped up in big money and doing crap that they never should have done. Instead of dealing with the aholes doing this crap the parks and wildlife turned its head until sportsmen got fed up and got the month taken away.

I am still reminded that half of the tag holders every year get Thierry tags from a raffle... Those guys got screwed because the state failed to do its job.

It is not about Thetis e it is not about the tag but it is about the fact that everyone holding that tag from here on put is now punished because we did not holders accountable for breaking the law! On a bigger picture this thinking is dangerous and will cost us even more...

it is funny that any one would buy into the idea that these for tags being cut back a month will have any result on over all deer numbers, health or population.
 
>it is funny that any one
>would buy into the idea
>that these for tags being
>cut back a month will
>have any result on over
>all deer numbers, health or
>population.

I don't feel it will have any effect on numbers or health except for the 4 potential deer shot. I think it should be a hunt not a shoot... Having the season end at a normal time forces hunters to use their skills, not fuel in taking a buck.



Mntman

"Hunting is where you prove yourself"


Let me guess, you drive a 1 ton with oak trees for smoke stacks, 12" lift kit and 40" tires to pull a single place lawn mower trailer?
 
So your pulling the high and mighty attitude that if it is not how you hunt it is not a hunt? How any 200 inch deer can you turn up in December? It must be pretty easy. What about hunting in between seasons? Would you look the old timers in the eye and tell them their bucks did not count because they were shot in December?

It is sickening to think that just because there are limited numbers of hunters you would assume it was just a shoot. Is hunting in unit 1 not hunting because there are only 2 to 3 hunters there? Does that make it a shoot.

Envy, jealously or what ever you want it to be you only are upset because it was not you getting the hunt... Ask the raffle tag owner this year how hard of a hunt it was... Hardly just a shoot at all... Pretty pathetic you would call it that....
 
So?

What Exactly did the Parks & Wildlife Fail to do?










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Great day for Colorado mule deer!

Make no mistake about it, this was caused by Utards. If crappy things continue you can be sure we will get it changed to end at 4th season.

He seems like a great guy that knows how to find big bucks!

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LAST EDITED ON Jan-11-14 AT 11:04PM (MST)[p]If you have been following this issue at alll, the hype is all about crap that happens on this high stakes big money hunt. It had turned into a typical Utah big money hunt. Guys driving all over into closed areas, use of aircraft, finders fees, snow mobiles, etc. guy like horse face violating laws and rules and using very questionable ways of locating bucks. Same crap that went with the spider bull. Guy willing to trespass because the reward money for finding a slug was more appealing than the fines for trespassing. Allowing guides not properly licensed in the state to operate under another lic. Etc. this has been and was a growing issues with only a very small group. I never heard of this issue with the raffle tag holder, only with the tags bought by the top bidder.

I would have much rather seen any of handful of other options than to loose opportunity.

All that being said I am only aware of 2 violations being written and last I heard it was the same guy getting both and he is still allowed to outfit and guide... They failed to address the issue, they could have increased fine and penalties due to the high stakes nature of the tag, set up a quota system in which only 1 buck was allowed from the top units before they closed, or a list of other ideas... For example any violation of the law on the gov tag made the hunter and the outfitter unable to ever hold the tag again.... All ideas to help the issue but first and foremost they needed to get out and start finding the bastards breaking the rules.
 
>LAST EDITED ON Jan-11-14
>AT 11:04?PM (MST)

>
>If you have been following this
>issue at alll, the hype
>is all about crap that
>happens on this high stakes
>big money hunt. It had
>turned into a typical Utah
>big money hunt. Guys driving
>all over into closed areas,
>use of aircraft, finders fees,
>snow mobiles, etc. guy like
>horse face violating laws and
>rules and using very questionable
>ways of locating bucks. Same
>crap that went with the
>spider bull. Guy willing to
>trespass because the reward money
>for finding a slug was
>more appealing than the fines
>for trespassing. Allowing guides not
>properly licensed in the state
>to operate under another lic.
>Etc. this has been and
>was a growing issues with
>only a very small group.
>I never heard of this
>issue with the raffle tag
>holder, only with the tags
>bought by the top bidder.
>
>
>I would have much rather seen
>any of handful of other
>options than to loose opportunity.
>
>
>All that being said I am
>only aware of 2 violations
>being written and last I
>heard it was the same
>guy getting both and he
>is still allowed to outfit
>and guide... They failed to
>address the issue, they could
>have increased fine and penalties
>due to the high stakes
>nature of the tag, set
>up a quota system in
>which only 1 buck was
>allowed from the top units
>before they closed, or a
>list of other ideas... For
>example any violation of the
>law on the gov tag
>made the hunter and the
>outfitter unable to ever hold
>the tag again.... All ideas
>to help the issue but
>first and foremost they needed
>to get out and start
>finding the bastards breaking the
>rules.

Well elks!

Sounds like the same kinda BS that goes down around here!

What good are the Laws/Rules if nobody will Enforce them?

Just like this last Fall when the USFS closed some of the TrailHeads during the Government ShutDown right when Elk season started!

Hardly anybody was Obeying the Law!

I'll admit,I didn't agree with the Closure/BS!

But are We gonna be Law abiding Hunters/Sportsmen or not?

The one Guy mentioned here(which I don't think is a TARD!)shoulda had his Ass Locked up many years ago!

He's been Busted/charged with Misc BS over the years & still doing it!

When are the people gonna take the Law into their own Hands & maybe give him a TUNE-UP?

Too much Counterfeit BS going on these Days for an Honest Hunter to Compete with!

Guess I'll keep Huntin General Season PISSCUTTERS!

Too much BS involved these Days to Hunt where there's any Decent Animals & the Regular Joe Blow gets Screwed over every time!

I suppose it'll only get worse as time goes on!














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It is better to remain silent and have your enemies think you ignorant, than to speak and remove all doubt... if the shoe fits... pull it on!

This law was changed to address one narrow issue, post regular- season shooting of big bucks on the winter range. I think it will do this wonderfully. It will do nothing at all to deal with the wealth envy that drives a lot of the sniping. There will, as always, be some unintended consequences- you can change the rules but not human nature.

The squirrel is willing to go out on a limb here... and predict that guide fees and finders fees will actually go up, as will the effort required to find the class of buck they desire. And the squirrel is going to be sitting on a limb (a Co. oak tree limb, perhaps) playing with his nuts, and he'll be smiling, just knowing that IT CHAPS SOMEONE'S A$$! Hey, squirrels can be petty and juvenile too.
 
So squirrel?

You're predicting more than a 65K Pick-Up for 2014?:D:D:D







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Could be interesting to see how this effects the cost of 3rd and 4th season LO tags. The dirty little secret is that some of the nimrods with extra change in their pocket purchase several LO tags and have buddies scout extensively until a good one is found and then pay the DOW for that particular unit voucher. My guess is that the old supply and demand rule will comr into play and you'll see the LO tag prices inch upward.

As far as all these allegations about outfitter/guides misbehaving,why no prosecutions?
Sounds like vicious rumors reminiscent of Operation Navajo.
 
If the CPW is smart the next step they take is to eliminate the sale of landowner tags and restrict those tags to the landowners and their immediate family! Return a large chunk of landowner tags back to the public that draw tags!

I'm not sure if Elks69 gets the message. There was no loss of "opportunity" with the new season structure. The same number of auction and raffle tags will be issued. All hunters have the same "opportunity" to hunt them during similar season dates.

I also believe it is a great "opportunity" for any hunter that is lucky enough to have an auction or raffle tag to hunt from the start of archery through rifle seasons in any unit they choose in Colo! Wow, if that isn't "opportunity" I don't know what is?
 
>If the CPW is smart the
>next step they take is
>to eliminate the sale of
>landowner tags and restrict those
>tags to the landowners and
>their immediate family! Return
>a large chunk of landowner
>tags back to the public
>that draw tags!
>
>I'm not sure if Elks69 gets
>the message. There was
>no loss of "opportunity" with
>the new season structure.
>The same number of auction
>and raffle tags will be
>issued. All hunters have
>the same "opportunity" to hunt
>them during similar season dates.
>
>
>I also believe it is a
>great "opportunity" for any hunter
>that is lucky enough to
>have an auction or raffle
>tag to hunt from the
>start of archery through rifle
>seasons in any unit they
>choose in Colo! Wow,
>if that isn't "opportunity" I
>don't know what is?

Plus 1
 
unreal,

didn't read even 1/2 the posts made on this subject and i have come to realize that hunters are now falling into the trap that has led america on a slippery slope down hill. why do you care so much when and where an animal is killed? it makes no sense, you can kill a deer/elk with a general season tag over the counter in several states yr. after yr. your animal has as much impact on the herd as the one animal that is "over the counter" for the rich (ie. gov and or auction). they kill one animal just like you. damn right they should be able to hunt anytime on any legal ground. you get what you pay for and they are paying for that. all these broke gov. agencies can't get it straight. they can raise as much revenue with one animal as they can with 5,000. see the exchange. they ought to be cashing in on this opportunity. most of you guys remind me of a bunch of liberal whiners that want to neglect the realities of life and beg for more fairness to our system that more recently than ever before has been set up to redistribute fairness in an "unfair way." it's very pathetic. a lot of folks act like they are conservative from head to toe and in some ways are on most issues. but when it comes to hunting, they neglect the essential foundation of america and the capital world realities and scream liberal antics. you all should look in the mirror when you say it's not fair and really ask yourself what is fair. i think it's funny in a way when an auction tag sales for 300k. those silly rich guys, it's just a deer/elk. no matter where you stand their is one thing that isn't fair, that a 100k dollar tag is held to the same standards or restrictions as a 50$/over the counter tag. makes no sense at all. all the negative resentment IMO stems from jealousy. that's what the majority of the lazy poor people are crying wanting to extend unemployment benefits and all the other gov. food train programs. it's not fair that joe makes 200k and has a better life than me. wo be the lazy and jealous zealots.... wow, what a rant but the mentality that is displayed by most here is mind boggling and scary as our once for the most part conservative based hunting unit is falling into the liberal trap of america.
 
I had to look up the word "liberalism" because I really didn't know what it meant. Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.

I guess when it comes to hunting I can be called a liberalist! I believe everyone should have the same "opportunity (as Elks96 has stated) and equality hunting on public land in Colorado. I think it's great that wealthy hunters will be hunting beside average Joes for the same bucks and season dates!

The game wardens of Colorado must have also celebrated when they heard the news! Colo wardens must be excited that they don't have to deal with the illegal or unethical activity that has occured in the past on these hunts. This will make their life a lot easier! Now they can concentrate their time and effort to poachers and other things that impact Colo's wildlife.
 
>I had to look up the
>word "liberalism" because I really
>didn't know what it meant.
> Liberalism is a political
>philosophy or worldview founded on
>ideas of liberty and equality.
>
>
>I guess when it comes to
>hunting I can be called
>a liberalist! I believe
>everyone should have the same
>"opportunity (as Elks96 has stated)
>and equality hunting on public
>land in Colorado. I
>think it's great that wealthy
>hunters will be hunting beside
>average Joes for the same
>bucks and season dates!
>
>The game wardens of Colorado must
>have also celebrated when they
>heard the news! Colo
>wardens must be excited that
>they don't have to deal
>with the illegal or unethical
>activity that has occured in
>the past on these hunts.
> This will make their
>life a lot easier!
>Now they can concentrate their
>time and effort to poachers
>and other things that impact
>Colo's wildlife.

Well said sir. Colorado hunters should be proud of their DWR, they are doing some great things by acting ahead of the curve rather than behind it. Nice job Colorado.
 
at least you have the balls to say your one of them.... don't slip on that slope.. it's steep and slick. sometimes life isn't fair for some and i see their tendency to want gov to intervene and make things fair again. good luck sir. i really do hope the liberal mentality stops with this and doesn't go into long range rifles, high power scopes, etc. in the fairness discussion. at the end of the day, IMO the the DWR's are in charge of herd management and enforcing the laws. this mentality does nothing to help the herd. it's still one deer regardless of when it's killed. if laws were/are being broke, they need to figure out how to enforce them so it's a law enforcement issue and not a management issue. at the end of the day CO residents are still giving up a deer in an unpredictable location. the time of yr. really doesn't matter. all this does is help the jealous come to peace with themselves and the management funds go down. it looks like its a win for those that cant hack things not being fair and a loss for the deer who need every dollar they can have to help them.
 
Throwing out the 'liberal' allegation is mental weak, and just a little old. I laugh that people actually think this type of 'argument' works.

It's not about what is fair for hunters. I'll never be able to do lots of things others can because of money. I realize that, and I'm okay with it. It's about what is fair for the animal. That's why these laws can be good.

I'll never put in for the CO gov tag, so don't really have a dog in the fight. My ears just always perk up when silly, simple-minded junk gets thrown out like, "You're a liberal!"
 
what's fair for the animal. rofl... is it fair for the animal to have a 800yd laser rangefinder hit him in the vitals and a few seconds later a bullet follows. that's the reality. killing is killing and it's not always pretty. either you get it or you don't. if illegal techniques are being used to harvest an animal with the gov tag or any other tag than the laws need to be enforced or changed or both. give me a break. fair for the animal. their is nothing fair about war... or killing... fair chase laws govern this.
 
I'm sorry, but what is fair for the animals? Really? We need to have a meeting with the killing machines known as cougars, wolves, bears, coyotes and golden eagles. Damn hunting has changed over the years.
 
Sure there was lost opportunity. If I ever draw the tag I have a full month left to hunt than the guy that did this year. How is that not a loss of opportunity. If we decided to cut all seasons down to 4 days each would that be considered a lost opportunity?

Why does everyone think this is so great for mule deer in Colorado yet at the same time say it will have no impact on herd health, populations etc.

Squirrel you are exactly right when you predict things will get worse. Now people are going to have that much less time to get it done and will be that. Uh more desperate to kill the big one. Simply put they failed to show any muscle or back bone. They will still trespass, drive in closed areas, break the rules. Now maybe more than before...

As far as violations, again the DOW failed to step up. They simply did not get out and catch the crap happening. They almost turned a blind eye to it. There are members here who saw and found evidence, but it is hard to catch someone out and about when your hanging around town.

Also the parks and wildlife should not be relieved as poaching is likely to rise in those same areas. Where you used to have guys scouting and watching during the month of dec there will be very few people. The parks and wildlife obviously were not out enough to catch the big money high stakes guys, how will they catch the small time dirt bags?

It is not about deer, it is not about money but it is about the idea that people who break the law are the criminals and should be punished. Not those of us who never broke the law... By the way there is way more crap that happens I. The regular seasons than happens on the late hunts. Guys driving ATVs all over, people shooting across roads, not wearing proper orange, trespassing etc. maybe we need to punish everyone and start shutting down the regular seasons...
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-12-14 AT 09:02PM (MST)[p]I have an easy solution to this fighting over governor tag hunting dates...get rid of them (governors tags) all together.

Problem solved.

While we're at it, get rid of transferable landowner tags and commissioners tags as well.

These tags are not worth the chit they create.

Theres plenty of other ways to raise money to help wildlife without selling Governors tags...and thats a FACT.

For a reminder, the North American Model is about the fair distribution of, and access to wildlife, by ALL sportsmen. Not just those with deep pockets.

You either believe in the best model of Wildlife Management in the world, or you dont. Governors tags are NOT in the spirit of the NAM...period.
 
>what's fair for the animal.
>rofl... is it fair
>for the animal to have
>a 800yd laser rangefinder hit
>him in the vitals and
>a few seconds later a
>bullet follows. that's the
>reality. killing is killing
>and it's not always pretty.
> either you get it
>or you don't. if
>illegal techniques are being used
>to harvest an animal with
>the gov tag or any
>other tag than the laws
>need to be enforced or
>changed or both. give
>me a break. fair
>for the animal. their
>is nothing fair about war...
> or killing... fair
>chase laws govern this.


I've got to say, the irony and comedy of being mocked for calling for fairness to the animal is followed up by you essentially using different words to say the EXACT same thing is great. When people are doing illegal and unethical things, laws need to be enforced or changed (your words, not mine) to ensure fair chase that govern this. Isn't that what I'm saying here? I'll answer for you---yes it is. But you think throwing out the "L" word is a good argument, so you won't get that.

I have no problem with the killing part of hunting. But the fact that I have taken a life is never lost on me. Hopefully it is not lost on you either. But regardless of the ugliness of war, as stated above, we don't need to be chasing our animals 12 months out of the year. Don't we get to the point where we say, "Good job, 240 inch buck. You bested everyone this year. See you in August!" Instead of just continually chasing, chasing, and chasing until he drops his head gear and nobody wants him anymore anyway? It gets to the point where enough is enough and it's time to call it off. Late hunts don't necessary bother me all that much. But giving the animals a chance certainly doesn't bother me either. After all, it's called 'hunting' not 'killing.' Despite what you said above.
 
>LAST EDITED ON Jan-12-14
>AT 09:02?PM (MST)

>
>I have an easy solution to
>this fighting over governor tag
>hunting dates...get rid of them
>(governors tags) all together.
>
>Problem solved.
>
>While we're at it, get rid
>of transferable landowner tags and
>commissioners tags as well.
>
>These tags are not worth the
>chit they create.
>
>Theres plenty of other ways to
>raise money to help wildlife
>without selling Governors tags...and thats
>a FACT.
>
>For a reminder, the North American
>Model is about the fair
>distribution of, and access to
>wildlife, by ALL sportsmen. Not
>just those with deep pockets.
>
>
>You either believe in the best
>model of Wildlife Management in
>the world, or you dont.
>Governors tags are NOT in
>the spirit of the NAM...period.
>

JUDAS Buzz!

Ain't You had some of the Tags You just mentioned?












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Amen BuzzH!

I agree 100%, get rid of them all, every last one of them. It is not good for our sport. Today was a step in the right direction, it seems that those have been very few over the years.

It is a sad state of affairs if the CDOW desperately needs that extra 500K to run their $100 million dollar business.
 
>>what's fair for the animal.
>>rofl... is it fair
>>for the animal to have
>>a 800yd laser rangefinder hit
>>him in the vitals and
>>a few seconds later a
>>bullet follows. that's the
>>reality. killing is killing
>>and it's not always pretty.
>> either you get it
>>or you don't. if
>>illegal techniques are being used
>>to harvest an animal with
>>the gov tag or any
>>other tag than the laws
>>need to be enforced or
>>changed or both. give
>>me a break. fair
>>for the animal. their
>>is nothing fair about war...
>> or killing... fair
>>chase laws govern this.
>
>
>I've got to say, the irony
>and comedy of being mocked
>for calling for fairness to
>the animal is followed up
>by you essentially using different
>words to say the EXACT
>same thing is great. When
>people are doing illegal and
>unethical things, laws need to
>be enforced or changed (your
>words, not mine) to ensure
>fair chase that govern this.
>Isn't that what I'm saying
>here? I'll answer for
>you---yes it is. But you
>think throwing out the "L"
>word is a good argument,
>so you won't get that.
>
>
>I have no problem with the
>killing part of hunting.
>But the fact that I
>have taken a life is
>never lost on me. Hopefully
>it is not lost on
>you either. But regardless of
>the ugliness of war, as
>stated above, we don't need
>to be chasing our animals
>12 months out of the
>year. Don't we get to
>the point where we say,
>"Good job, 240 inch buck.
>You bested everyone this year.
> See you in August!"
> Instead of just continually
>chasing, chasing, and chasing until
>he drops his head gear
>and nobody wants him anymore
>anyway? It gets to
>the point where enough is
>enough and it's time to
>call it off. Late
>hunts don't necessary bother me
>all that much. But giving
>the animals a chance certainly
>doesn't bother me either. After
>all, it's called 'hunting' not
>'killing.' Despite what you
>said above.

so let me get this straight.. it's not "fair" in your opinion to "legally" hunt (ie. with the same rules and regulations all others hunters are subject to) essentially out of season or late season for animals. i don't agree with that opinion but at least you stand clear i think. at the end of the day it's taking one animal from the herd. end of story. if laws are being followed, their is no harrasment and the animals don't "need" a break from a small group of folks hunting them.. i think they are well adapted to eluding people/prey. i have a hard time accepting this stance is for no other reason than jealousy.
 
>LAST EDITED ON Jan-12-14
>AT 09:02?PM (MST)

>
>I have an easy solution to
>this fighting over governor tag
>hunting dates...get rid of them
>(governors tags) all together.
>
>Problem solved.
>
>While we're at it, get rid
>of transferable landowner tags and
>commissioners tags as well.
>
>These tags are not worth the
>chit they create.
>
>Theres plenty of other ways to
>raise money to help wildlife
>without selling Governors tags...and thats
>a FACT.
>
>For a reminder, the North American
>Model is about the fair
>distribution of, and access to
>wildlife, by ALL sportsmen. Not
>just those with deep pockets.
>
>
>You either believe in the best
>model of Wildlife Management in
>the world, or you dont.
>Governors tags are NOT in
>the spirit of the NAM...period.
>

buzzy you jealous turd. a general season DIY style hunt buzzy style or a denny austad gov hunt moosey style. all one animal to said herd. doesn't matter. your social agenda to wildlife is ridiculous.
 
elkassassin,

Nope, never had a landowner, commissioners or governors tag.

This was a step in the right direction...small, baby step, but a correct one.

Oh, and while on the subject of getting rid of bullchit programs and tags...get rid of Ranching For Wildlife as well.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-12-14 AT 11:16PM (MST)[p]I would have to agree with you Buzz on this one! It sure would be nice to put behind the crap that is associated with all those tags!

I'm not sure how many of you have watched some of the Colo gov tag videos that have shown up on youtube the past few years? Do they leave you with a warm fuzzy feeling from a tough earned hunt or are you a little disturbed? I'm sure most of the outfitters or guides that make their living from hunters have a lot different opinion than the average Joe DIY type hunter!

I don't know about you but the 200+" bucks they harvest on Colo winter ranges in Dec don't seem like the same 200" bucks that are god knows where during the hunting seasons. My opposition to the late Nov/Dec winter range rut hunts is based on having a lot of respect for those bucks that have lived through many hunting seasons. It's obvious that late Nov/Dec snows have concentrated bucks on the winter ranges and their guard is down for the rut. There is good reason that Colo and just about every western state closes the season dates during this time.

What is even more disturbing is that the hunter likely got a phone call from the group of 3 to 5 spotters that located a keeper buck and had a posey of guys keeping an eye on the buck until the "tag filler" (not sure if I would call him a hunter) shows up....possibly a 75 year old man that can barely make it up a snowy hill with has guide carrying his weapon. Will this still happen during the hunting seasons...probably, but at least the tag must be filled during the regular season dates when bucks obviously know what is going on!

There are a lot more eyes and ears out watching during the hunting seasons for illegal activity so I have a feeling illegal activity by govnr tag guides will likely be monitored closer during the hunting seasons than in Dec when the winter grounds are pretty much vacant of disturbance.

I'm aware that the guys that luck into raffle tags likely hunt their butts off but you have to admit that the season dates close towards the middle of Nov for good reason....and there is hardly any disturbance of animals on the winter range after that time. When I'm around bucks in December they are a totally different critter than they are during the hunting season!

Am I upset that 3 or 4 monster bucks are shot in the rutting grounds in Colo each year..you bet I am! I have a lot more respect than seeing even 1 of them shot at that time of year. Am I glad to see that the CPW stepped up and changed dates....you bet! Will these tags still offer incredible OPPORTUNITY for those that hunt them in the years to come...holy smokes yes! Anyone that says it wouldn't be a priviledge and great OPPORTUNITY to have a state-wide muley tag that is open from Sept through Nov in Colo is pretty crazy!
 
>LAST EDITED ON Jan-12-14
>AT 11:16?PM (MST)

>
>I would have to agree with
>you Buzz on this one!
> It sure would be
>nice to put behind the
>crap that is associated with
>all those tags!
>
>I'm not sure how many of
>you have watched some of
>the Colo gov tag videos
>that have shown up on
>youtube the past few years?
> Do they leave you
>with a warm fuzzy feeling
>from a tough earned hunt
>or are you a little
>disturbed? I'm sure most
>of the outfitters or guides
>that make their living from
>hunters have a lot different
>opinion than the average Joe
>DIY type hunter!
>
>I don't know about you but
>the 200+" bucks they harvest
>on Colo winter ranges in
>Dec don't seem like the
>same 200" bucks that are
>god knows where during the
>hunting seasons. My opposition
>to the late Nov/Dec winter
>range rut hunts is based
>on having a lot of
>respect for those bucks that
>have lived through many hunting
>seasons. It's obvious that
>late Nov/Dec snows have concentrated
>bucks on the winter ranges
>and their guard is down
>for the rut. There
>is good reason that Colo
>and just about every western
>state closes the season dates
>during this time.
>
>What is even more disturbing is
>that the hunter likely got
>a phone call from the
>group of 3 to 5
>spotters that located a keeper
>buck and had a posey
>of guys keeping an eye
>on the buck until the
>"tag filler" (not sure if
>I would call him a
>hunter) shows up....possibly a 75
>year old man that can
>barely make it up a
>snowy hill with has guide
>carrying his weapon. Will
>this still happen during the
>hunting seasons...probably, but at least
>the tag must be filled
>during the regular season dates
>when bucks obviously know what
>is going on!
>
>There are a lot more eyes
>and ears out watching during
>the hunting seasons for illegal
>activity so I have a
>feeling illegal activity by govnr
>tag guides will likely be
>monitored closer during the hunting
>seasons than in Dec when
>the winter grounds are pretty
>much vacant of disturbance.
>
>I'm aware that the guys that
>luck into raffle tags likely
>hunt their butts off but
>you have to admit that
>the season dates close towards
>the middle of Nov for
>good reason....and there is hardly
>any disturbance of animals on
>the winter range after that
>time. When I'm around
>bucks in December they are
>a totally different critter than
>they are during the hunting
>season!
>
>Am I upset that 3 or
>4 monster bucks are shot
>in the rutting grounds in
>Colo each year..you bet I
>am! I have a
>lot more respect than seeing
>even 1 of them shot
>at that time of year.
> Am I glad to
>see that the CPW stepped
>up and changed dates....you bet!
> Will these tags still
>offer incredible OPPORTUNITY for those
>that hunt them in the
>years to come...holy smokes yes!
> Anyone that says it
>wouldn't be a priviledge and
>great OPPORTUNITY to have a
>state-wide muley tag that is
>open from Sept through Nov
>in Colo is pretty crazy!
>


nice post jim. i still don't see what the problem is other than jealousy. sounds like b/c it's "easier" on the winter range it's not ethical. i wish the people for CDW's decision would just say it. it's not fair... the 75yr old guy and 3-5 spotter argument is a joke. i would say most LE or premium draw hunters i know that have friends "posse" hunt for their OIL type tag/experience. one tag can bring friends/family together like no other. in this case it might be a diff experience than a genuine family gathering. however, the outcome is still the same with the spotters, radios, cell phones, and "old men."
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-13-14 AT 01:32AM (MST)[p]Tickets to the Circus may now have gotten cheaper.

Jealousy and Liberalism?-Actually it is more like a past due
step in the right direction for (ALL) hunters rich or poor.

Who is whinning now that God forbid they must mingle with us poor trashy Average Joes and stand in the same fields?
Some may need to be a little more stealthy with the backstage passes with so many eyes to contend with.
May be a little harder to chopper in a hunter or scout from one in September-November without creating more attention. Little harder to pay off that many eyeballs to keep there mouths shut.

Over (3 months)to get the job done and whimpering about it?
Dang the deep snow may not have pushed them all down closer to the roads by the end of November like it did near Christmas.
My heart bleeds for those that may need to break a sweat now to earn a paycheck.

All the talk about "We could get it done anytime other than December or January if we wanted to". Then why are some so quick to cry about it now?

It's only four deer you say?
(WAAAAA)-We want the biggest four deer and leave the rest to you Average Joes rich or poor because we paid for the right to step in front of the line and rob you of them.
Most of us Average Joes donate to a cause without asking for special fringe benefits for only ourselves afterwards.
(BooHoo)-But we are helping the deer herds for everyone for the right to take the cream of the crop from all of you.

That would be like someone donating to help a family in hard times and then taking there wife.

You are so generous and we are jealous?LOL.
No worries you still have those pet town bucks to choose from.
Double speak if you wish in response now.
My 2-cents is over on this issue.
 
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LAST EDITED ON Jan-13-14 AT 09:28PM (MST)[p]I think in time we will look back on this era of "governors tags" and laugh our asses off at some of these hunts. Armies of men scouring the hills well into winter to find the "one". And when the beast is down everybody applauds and cheers as if the hunter is some great hunter who has so much dedication to be out there getting it done against all odds. My opinion, it's just freakin hilarious! I'll tip my hat to these guys when I meet them on some trail coming out of the BoB with any mature buck strapped to their back.
 
>
> Anyone notice that for 2014
>there will be 3 raffle
>tags and 3 auction tags!
>


that's hilarious if that's true. shame on them for making more of these tags avail. choose your poison people. life does revolve around the dollar and there are only two ways to get it in this case. more tags with lesser quality, or less tags with better quality.
 
I still believe it's a great thing that the CPW was willing to confine these tags to the regular season dates for all of the reasons mentioned in previous posts! It's sad that they compromised and added additional tags. What's really sad is total number of auction plus raffle tags (6) is more tags than are issued in 3rd or 4th rifle seasons to nonres in the draws for units such as 2, 10, 44, 68, 76, and 201! What happens if all 6 of the auction plus raffle hunters shoot bucks in just one of these units? These tag numbers are getting to the point where they could impact the quality of bucks available.
 
see it already starting to get worse. More tags for the taking.
Making it so they have to hunt until the last day of the season just makes sense, roll of the dice like everyone else. WHY make it so you can hunt in the deep snow and the herds are more bunched up. Good Change.

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Lol.... That is funny crap right there.... No wonder the conservation groups signed off on the lost opportunity. They got some extra tags out of it. They will end up offsetting decreased revenue by offering more tags.

Kind a bitter kick in the butt for most here..

I however have no problem with a couple go owners tag being available every year. I did how ever hate the crap that went on and the bs that came with the big money out of state outfitters. The willingness to break the law etc. but hey that is every place in hunting not just in the governors tags. He'll we have people right now waiting for over 20 year to get a tag. There is pressure there that makes people violate the law and common sense. I how will still argue that removing a month of hunting is not going to stop the illegal or unethical activity. It will I fact increase it due to greater pressure and time constraints.

So once again, instead of addressing the issues at concern, instead of using an increased penalty system I.e. Sampson Law, instead using a unit based quota system, or creating a window of time per unit, they drop a month and let the same aholes do the same crap, just they have to be done a month earlier? Makes no sense.... There will still be groups looking to make a finders fee, there will still be videos on YouTube of 15 guys and 1 deer, there will still be slob hunters sitting in the local bar basing until the guide says we found one, there will still be people driving around closed gates, trespassing, etc.

So really nothing has changed but now we will have 1 more person doing it and trying to get it done feeling even greater reassure....

What a great day for us....
 
Elks96, did you bother to read the two posts right above yours? There are not more tags this year. It would take an act of the legislature to increase the number of tags.
 
>Elks96, did you bother to read
>the two posts right above
>yours? There are not
>more tags this year.
>It would take an act
>of the legislature to increase
>the number of tags.

I swore that there have always only been 2 auction and 2 raffle tags for deer? So 4 deer total... Am I wrong? If so I apologize about that but my other points about the crap still happening increased pressure and the rule violations still stand...
 
>I swore that there have always
>only been 2 auction and
>2 raffle tags for deer?
>So 4 deer total... Am
>I wrong? If so I
>apologize about that but my
>other points about the crap
>still happening increased pressure and
>the rule violations still stand...
>


Yes, there are 2 of each, and there still are. There has not been an increase as posted above. The Huntin' Fool folks couldn't even correctly copy the information from the CPW website. That's what your $100 gets you these days.
 
Not a supporter of hunt n fool but when you go to the CO DOW link, I can see how it could be read as 6 tags total. When they break it down it says (1) and (2) after the organization holding the tags. At first glance it looks as if the one organization gets 4 tags total and the other gets 2 tags. It is only stating #1 and #2 though...

Mntman

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LAST EDITED ON Jan-14-14 AT 10:40AM (MST)[p]Good to see those that revel in kicking other "hunters" in the nads were wrong on more tags.
Just goes to show you the mentality these folks have towards us Average Joes.....Then they wonder why we say enough is enough, and then they cry to us about it not being fair.
You reap what you sew/ Karma-call it what you will but what comes around goes around.
Best,
Jerry
 
Thanks,Ram187 and Oak I was shocked, until I saw the sorce, HF. Emphasis on FOOL.
TWO Raffle tag,s. SCI stole one from a real Conservation ORG a while back.
I can't/wont buy tickets from them. Not a high fence fan.
CMDA has the other, a once proud and effective Org now in bed with BGF.
They tried a end run for 6 tags a year ago, I hope they don't try again. I can't/won't buy raffle tags from them either.
Mule Deer Foundation, their state Rep was in Gunnison a year ago wanting to start a chapter. They were asked to support a season specific end date for these tags. They chose not to. Want to guess their odds in this valley?
 
This has gone far over my head... It would take me half a day or more to read everything being said here. I've came to the conclusion that I no longer give two chits about Governors tags. I have honestly never bought tickets for the raffle tags and probably never will. I enjoyed getting to be in on one back in 2011, but it appears that anyone that associates themselves with one immediately gets a bad rep from those who don't know the first thing about how the hunt was conducted. And my reputation is tattered enough as it is. So be it that a wealthy man from out of state can show off his deep pockets and pay high dollar for a tag, sit on his ass and wait for a phone call from his "hired bounty hunters" and then fly out and pull the trigger. Does it honestly impress anyone that truly is a hardcore trophy mule deer hunter? No, of course not. Does it is piss me off that money gives one the ability to "pluck" a large buck off the winter range instead of truly hunting the buck the right way in early November? Yes of course. But as far as Im concerned money talks in this day in age. I don't ever see CPW totally abolishing governors tags because its easy money, which is most likely why they've turned the other way on some of the ridiculous things that have occurred with these tags over the years. I think Governors tags are the LEAST of our worries when it comes to Colorado's deer herd. Why aren't we arguing over things like the tag increase in places like the Gunnison basin?? Why aren't we arguing over the 2-3 year old up and coming bucks getting shot down each every year in top end units because guys simply don't want to eat their tags... I honestly think there are way bigger issues in the well being of Colorado's mule deer herd than the harvesting of 4 governors tag bucks each year..

Coloradoboy
 
>
>>I swore that there have always
>>only been 2 auction and
>>2 raffle tags for deer?
>>So 4 deer total... Am
>>I wrong? If so I
>>apologize about that but my
>>other points about the crap
>>still happening increased pressure and
>>the rule violations still stand...
>>
>
>
>Yes, there are 2 of each,
>and there still are.
>There has not been an
>increase as posted above.
>The Huntin' Fool folks couldn't
>even correctly copy the information
>from the CPW website.
>That's what your $100 gets
>you these days.
Dude look at your link.... Scroll down to the mule deer section. Under mule deer there are the following....

Colorado mule deer assoc. 1 auction and 1 raffle tag
MDF 2 auction tags
SCI gets 2 raffle tags... Thus 6 tags total... That is 2 more that the old system.
 
>Dude look at your link.... Scroll
>down to the mule deer
>section. Under mule deer there
>are the following....
>
>Colorado mule deer assoc. 1 auction
>and 1 raffle tag
>MDF 2 auction tags
>SCI gets 2 raffle tags... Thus
>6 tags total... That is
>2 more that the old
>system.

Wrong, try again.
 
>
>>Dude look at your link.... Scroll
>>down to the mule deer
>>section. Under mule deer there
>>are the following....
>>
>>Colorado mule deer assoc. 1 auction
>>and 1 raffle tag
>>MDF 2 auction tags
>>SCI gets 2 raffle tags... Thus
>>6 tags total... That is
>>2 more that the old
>>system.
>
>Wrong, try again.
Ok so the chart is all funky. I seriously read it and he's I did read it as not auctiontag number 1 and auction tag number but but as 1 auction tag and 2 auction tags.

For the other idiots here, this has nothing to do with average Joe hutners rising up against money hunters. I am about as average as a guy can get. You still have not shown how this change in policy will prevent people from breaking the law and acting like idiots... I am afraid that it will do just the opposite. I am an average joe and someday I might get lucky enough to win a raffle and have a hunt of a lifetime, it would have been a whole lot cooler to have a month where I am not hunting with any other hunter...
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-14-14 AT 02:07PM (MST)[p]Elks96, Doesn't it make sense that there are a lot more eyes and ears watching for game violations during hunting seasons than after the season when the winter ranges are pretty much void of hunters?

Wouldn't you agree that wardens, sheriff, and landowners are all on full alert, more visible, and working extra hours during the hunting seasons trying to prevent, catch, and enforce game violations? I can't say this for everyone but if I'm hunting and I watch someone through my binocs breaking the law I'll be the first person to get on my cell and report it to the authorities. I have a feeling that most hunters carry a cell phone with a camera or video recorder that they can use to contact authorities and use as evidence.

It certainly makes sense to me that the crap that has happened in past years after the seasons are closed on the winter ranges would happen less frequently if the outfitters and their poseys in question know that they are being watched by a multitude of hunters with binocs, spotting scopes, eyes and ears hunting at the same time. I believe it would be a lot easier for them to be caught and handcuffed for their crimes when there are thousands of hunters in the field during the seasons.

I am certain that me and other ave Joes hunters in Colo would take great deal of pleasure in catching 'in the act' the guy with the glow in the dark teeth and his companions....and watch them get handcuffed and permanently banished from hunting or guiding in Colorado! Anyway, this is my invitation to everyone on this website to keep their eyes and ears open during the hunting seasons! With luck it will be easier now than ever to end this kind of crap!
 
It is pretty obvious who here actually cares about the wildlife, and those that just wish to profit off of it. I might actually buy a raffle ticket for the governor's tag now that it is actually more of a hunt. I have no desire to shoot some pathetic starving deer in the middle of winter.
 
Tell me seriously when this was ever about deer health and herd quality? The people wanting the tag cut back so because of the actions of a few. It has nothing to do with herd health or herd quality. I would love to see scientific proof that 4 deer tags in December contributed in any form of decreased quality.... Where is it?

If the deer can not handle 4 tags in December our herds have a much bigger issue. Furthermore, I find it amusing actually down right hilarious that so many people think December hunting is easy. How many deer do the so called average joe hunters see over 200 in the winter? I actually think it is a lot actually ten times easier to find such a buck in the rut.

So show me again where the 4 tags changed herd health and herd quality, especially if the the tag holders and guides followed the existing laws?

Sometimes people get so wrapped in their cause they fail to see the long term consequences.... I only hope that some I get a tag. And when I do I will shoot one of those poor starving deer off the winter range just in November since it is so much harder to kill such a buck November 28th than it is December first.... Amazing how a date changes a deer from smart to dumb....
 
Without reviewing every post in this thread, I am rather certain though not one person has said that they agree with this decision to protect the quality of the herd.

Myself and others I am currently thinking of are arguing that it is TOO EASY to kill a buck on WINTER RANGE in DECEMBER and JANUARY. Hunts are supposed to be a challenge and under 100% success rate, not a guranteed kill because the bucks are in their most vulnerable state during the entire year. If you want a guranteed kill, go to a high fence operation and shoot your pet.

Mntman

"Hunting is where you prove yourself"


Let me guess, you drive a 1 ton with oak trees for smoke stacks, 12" lift kit and 40" tires to pull a single place lawn mower trailer?
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-15-14 AT 09:04AM (MST)[p]Elks69, It's evident from your last post that you haven't spend much time in the winter ranges in Dec/Jan in Colo if you don't notice differences between buck behavior during the hunting seasons and in Dec/Jan! I doubt if you will hardly see a 160-170 buck out in the winter range sage flats in Nov. Obviously once all the trucks and hunters leave for the season monster bucks have figured out it is safe to come out of the deep, dark pockets of trees, canyons, cliffs, and private land where they remain nocternal during the hunting season.

A 190+ buck harvested during the regular hunting seasons is an incredible accomplishment! I'm not sure if I would say the same after watching youtube videos of many of the govr tag bucks shot on the winter range. It will be interesting to see if guides can still produce 190+ bucks on a regular basis during the hunting seasons on public land! The number of 200+" bucks is relatively low but when posey of spotters and hunters are harvesting the few that exist in Colo it makes a difference..whether elk69 beleives it or not!

I know I will sleep better at night knowing that 190+ bucks that originally would have been shot on the winter range by auction tag hunters are likely still available for every public hunter that has waited years to draw a single tag! If the auction hunters can harvest super bucks during the same seasons as everyone else...great job!
 
Kudos to the State of Colorado. I would like to see Utah and other western states follow suit.

Hawkeye

Browning A-Bolt 300 Win Mag
Bowtech Destroyer
Winchester Apex .50 Cal
 
Elks96, your arguement makes no sense. There are established hunting seasons for a reason. It has actually been the downfall of mulies that they are hunted during rut with guns. Probably one reason elk numbers continue to grow, and deer numbers continue to shink. Can you imagine the bloodbath if the September elk hunts were open to rifles?

If the DOW really cared about bringing back the deer herds, they would dump 4th season too. Scaling back hunting season a month is a good start.

Before 1986, there were only two rifle seasons for deer in CO, and it was only 14 days total. Now there is a 9 day second season hunt, a 9 day third season hunt, and a 5 day 4th season hunt. Now they are getting hunted 23 days with a gun before the goons even show up on the winter range.

Of course, the outfitters would never allow the DOW to scale back the rifle hunts...
 
>Without reviewing every post in this
>thread, I am rather certain
>though not one person has
>said that they agree with
>this decision to protect the
>quality of the herd.
>
>Myself and others I am currently
>thinking of are arguing that
>it is TOO EASY to
>kill a buck on WINTER
>RANGE in DECEMBER and JANUARY.
>Hunts are supposed to be
>a challenge and under 100%
>success rate, not a guranteed
>kill because the bucks are
>in their most vulnerable state
>during the entire year. If
>you want a guranteed kill,
>go to a high fence
>operation and shoot your pet.
>
>
>Mntman
>
>"Hunting is where you prove yourself"
>
>
>
>Let me guess, you drive a
>1 ton with oak trees
>for smoke stacks, 12" lift
>kit and 40" tires to
>pull a single place lawn
>mower trailer?


It seems a lot of the complaining is coming from the area a lot of the gov tag bucks are being shot. Those Gunnison Basin units during ML, 2nd, 3rd are pretty much 100% units if a person wants to pull the trigger.
 
Billykid, You are saying there are no "biologic consequences" of disturbing and hunting rutting bucks for 2 months in a foot of snow on the winter ranges vs hunting them during the regular hunting seasons? Elk69 may be the only person on this site that agrees with you!
 
Let's review some history regarding the CO GOV tag.

1. Ten years or so ago the season lasted until Jan 20th.
2. Since then the season was shortened to end on Dec 31.
3. Then, a high number of roads were closed effective Dec 1.
4. Now, season will end Nov 30th.
5. Shortly, we will see an end to 4th season tags.
6. Gov tag season will end at the first real dump of snow or Nov 15th whichever
Comes first.
7. The third season will be only a 5 day season for most of us know the pre rut
Starts the last few days of the season. Guaranteed!

8. Cancellation of third season because some deer could possibly still be
Migrating and definately if the stars align correctly, pre rut starts early.
9. Gov tag season ends October 31st
10. Second season is eliminated due to early snows and vulnerable deer due to
Start of migration
11. Early season high country hunts are eliminated due the unfairness of shooting bucks while in the velvet.

12. Gov tag good from sept 15 thru Oct 15 in any unit as long as antlers have no visible sign of velvet. Closure of season if storms produces more than 6 inches of snow before Oct 15. Tag holders responsibility to check to see if snow accumulations have reached six inches in Mtn. Range you are hunting. Snow

must be measured at the 10 thousand foot elevation on the north facing slopes.

13. One season from sept 25 thru Oct 2nd.
14. Gov tag season eliminated due to lack of interest.
 

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