Youth not getting to hunt

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WannaB

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So my 14 year old just received another ?Unsuccessful? email for general deer. This is the 3rd year in a row, which means he hasn't ever received a tag. This is also the 3rd year of not receiving a Youth Any Bull tag. I am extremely frustrated and wondering if there has been any discussion on this topic at the RAC meetings to address? Hunting will be lost if our youth don't ever get the opportunity to experience it.

My feeling is that the youth should never wait more than one year without a tag. Any other thoughts?

I would gladly give mine up as a mentor, but I didn't draw either.
 
I know it ain't easy these days. Try and find true opportunities for your son. I grew up killing jackrabbits and predators. I could do that any time I wanted and I learned a lot about all types of game at the same time. Be sure and educate him about all the hunting opportunities he can have access to all around the world as he grows older.

We can't just sit and give up with the thoughts that our governments will decide whether we will be hunters and subsequently whether we will loose our culture. Right now will take more work to raise hunters than what our dads and granddads had to do but we must face and meet that challenge.

The hunting spirit of our sons will not be determined by the frequency in which governments decide we can hunt a big game animal.


The western wildlife system is going to collapse very soon and most of this will get sorted out then.
 
I'm totally with you on the deer tags. They keep telling us we need to get the youth interested because they are the future of Hunter conservation. I would say any kid under 18 should be guaranteed in their first year of applying after completing Hunter education.

As for you elk, odds are you're kid will never draw. I have 3 kids and the numbers say only one of them will draw youth elk, and only once in 18 combined years of applying. My oldest boy never drew in his 6 years, middle kid is 5 years in and no luck, youngest is 2 years in, also no luck. We are 0 for 13 so far.


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Well what unit are you putting him in for? Put him in for a unit that better chances of drawing if your desire is for him to hunt. If you are putting in for premium general units then what do you really expect?
 
LAST EDITED ON May-13-18 AT 11:16AM (MST)[p]
Do what everybody else does, come to Colorado. NR youth elk tag 18 and under, $100, OTC.


#livelikezac
 
Have you been applying him alone or as part of a youth only group instead of grouping him with adults? I believe there are up to 25% reserved for youth. I did this with my son while he was a youth and he pulled a tag twice in three years before we grouped up and went dedicated, and this is on a unit that takes 2-3 points to draw.
 
There's No Guarantee in TARDville!

Not Every Person can Hunt Every Year but the DWR is sure trying to Figure How it can Happen!

I Feel for your Son!

Have You been trying to Draw/Drawing a Deer Tag?

If So,Maybe You could do the Mentor thing?

Best of Luck for your Son Drawing Next year!













It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
>I have never heard of a
>youth not drawing 3 consecutive
>years. How did you enter
>him? Which unit?


I've seen it!

It Happens!

Not Sayin it's Fair Neither!









It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
LAST EDITED ON May-13-18 AT 12:48PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON May-13-18 AT 12:29?PM (MST)

The draw odds are on the website and their are a ton of general season deer units that require no preference points to draw. Plus a percentage of the tags go to the youth. So the opportunity is there. But his/her application choices can greatly affect the outcome.

I am curious to know which hunts and which units they applied for.

The youth any bull hunt is a very hard hunt to draw for kids. On average each each year, there are approximately 7000+ kids applying for it and there are only 450 resident tags available. Not very good odds.
My son never drew it and he applied for it each year up until he was 18.
But I would still recommend your kid applied for it each year they are eligible. I have advocated and pushed to increase the number of youth any bull tags

Even though your kid got an unsuccessful email for the draw, there is still a lot of opportunity left to be had.
They are:
1- antlerless Hunt application begins May 31st (again...a percentage goes to the youth)
Even purchase points for other antlerless species for hunts down the road.
2- spike and any bull elk tags go on sale otc in a couple months.
3- there are always leftover youth archery tags available after the draw of your kid can use a bow
I cannot stress enough how important it is to be familiar with draw odds and helping your youth apply for realistic chances if they want to hunt each year. You would doing your kid a disservice to not know the ins and outs of the draws if your kid was serious about hunting.

The best way to help yourself or your kids get tags are:
1- get familiar and be willing to use different choices of weapons.
2- be willing to learn/ Hunt new or different units.

Feel free to message me if you want any help or advice for application strategies in the future.







"Wildlife and its habitat cannot speak. So
we must and we will."
Theadore Roosevelt
 
I really get sick of these posts, especially after all the opportunities youth have in this state. 2+ points should get a youth just about any muzzy or any weapon tag in the state. If they don't draw, the only one responsible for that is most likely the parent who applied for them in extremely hard units. Maybe branch out, explore, try new things and new areas. Don't let your kid not have a legitimate chance of not drawing and the expense of you not willing to hunt somewhere other than your favorite spot. There's plenty of archery tags available still for EVERY unit in Utah. Get one of those! Not an archery hunter? Well maybe now is the time to give it a try! Buy them a 3 season spike tag! More than enough opportunities for a kid to get out hunting with about 2 months worth of season dates available for hunting on that one tag. Apply for antlerless tags! Those are much easier to draw and provide lots of opportunities. I never drew a youth elk tag after 5 years of applying. Are some kids more entitled to that tag than me? Or anyone else who never drew? No they aren't. It's just part of playing the game! Don't like it? Find a new game to play
 
LAST EDITED ON May-13-18 AT 01:30PM (MST)[p]Idaho has a youth mentored hunt program. "Those with a Junior Mentored hunting license must be accompanied by an adult with a tag(s) for the same species." So, you can either, find an Idahoan or licensed non-resident or buy a license and tag yourself. Your son's cost would then be:
License: $ 31.75
Deer Tag $ 23.75
Bear Tag $ 23.75
Elk Tag $ 39.75

Your cost if you wanted to have a license with him (unless you go with somebody else with a deer tag and license):
License: $ 154.75
Deer Tag $ 301.75

Just an option for you. Your son can take a doe in many units as an option on the last day as well.

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What unit have you been applying for? Im willing to bet you put your son in for a hunt with another adult?

I know it is a very hard lesson, but, you have to put him in seperately in order for him to enjoy the extra opportunities that youth are given.

We as hunters and parents owe it to our kids to know how the draw system works in our state and then get them out in the field hunting!

As mentioned above, there are a ton of great opportunities for youth both here in Utah and surrounding states. Get him out and make some memories!
 
LAST EDITED ON May-13-18 AT 03:55PM (MST)[p]Good point silentstalker......
I always applied my youth separately and never in a group. Especially with adults.
Due to the reserved percentages of tags for youth, Applying youth with adults will automatically remove them from that percentage of tags that were set aside for the youth.
That might mean you and your child may draw different units or different hunts all together. But in that scenario, I'd always turn my tag back in if necessary or ever in that conflict and focus on my kids hunt.
But with proper application strategies, along with knowledge of draw odds, you can avoid that headache and can still have a win-win for everyone

The last Utah WB meeting this was all discussed and agreed that youth in Utah have a lot of opportunities to hunt. And I agree as well.
Parents application choices is probably what is ruining or hurting that kids chance of drawing.

Forget your spot where you always hunted. Go learn some new country and get your kids to join you in learning a new surrounding




"Wildlife and its habitat cannot speak. So
we must and we will."
Theadore Roosevelt
 
Cant seem to see why folks are complaining about youth hunts. Growing up there were no such thing for us. I think there great and my daughter and nephew have enjoyed hunting them. We are on the every other year getting a tag and there is nothing wrong with that. Archery and muzzy
 
My two oldest never drew the youth elk with 6 attempts each. My 13 year old drew this year, the 2nd time putting in. He drew general deer with 2 points. Youth bull is only 5-6% chance of drawing. I'm surprised about the deer but maybe there are a lot of youth putting in for the same area. Just guessing
 
My brother and I started building points for all the antlerless hunts as well as antlered hunts and to help ensure that our kids get to hunt at least once a year. There are always the OTC elk hunts as well. We are willing to work hard at any hunt for our kids and sometimes they don't get to kill if they end up with a tough tag, but they always get out in the field and that's what matters. There are many ways to get kids on a hunt, but you have to be willing to expand your view a little. We have even taken advantage of landowner doe deer vouchers that didn't cost anything but the tag cost. If you want your kids to hunt, you find a way. Good luck
 
My son drew his second choice general deer with no points.. so I don't think anyone should complain about not having opportunity for youth... study the system and make it work for your kids interest.
 
Listening the WB meeting a couple weeks ago. The DWR reported that 67% of youth received deer tags last season. This did NOT include the added youth only Archery permits or The youth hunting on Mentor tags.

There is literally a small handful of general deer hunts that require more than 2 points. And many many units that require only 1. Spike elk tags, antlerless tags, if a kid wants to hunt there is more oppurtunity than ever. Hellll go back 25 years and no youth under 16 got to hunt any big game. If it matters enough you can insure your kids get to hunt every year. I've raised 2 boys and one girl, they've all had a tag in their pocket every single year for the past 14 years.
 
LAST EDITED ON May-14-18 AT 09:48AM (MST)[p]That does seem strange.
I am 51 year's old hand have drawn 3 deer tag's in the past four years.
 
Both of my kids that are old enough to hunt drew 2nd choice muzzy tags with 0 points.

As others have already pointed out, choose less popular units, make sure you are putting youth in on their own application to take advantage of the youth allocation, and consider hunts other than rifle.
 
I've put him in for Manti and Nebo. Applying as an individual each year, not a group. We do antlerless/spike and have been to Colorado. We also hunt about every other type of animals we can. I get that there are other opportunities to hunt, however...the point is that a youth should never go three years without drawing a general tag...in any unit. As for the DWR?s numbers...as usual, they don't jive with what I hear and see.

I don't need advise on other opportunities or how to apply...I am well versed. The point is that a youth hunter should not have to wait 3+ years for a mediocre general buck tag. Youth Any Bull...I expected that. My thought is that a youth should not miss more than one year of hunting between general deer tags. I don't know any decent adults that wouldn't gladly give up their general season tags so a youth could have more opportunities. Yea, the chances for adults to draw tags is reduced...but what's more important in the scheme of things?

Those of you who's kids draw every year, congrats! Not everyone lives in close proximity to a unit with lower application rates, or have the time to learn a new area. It shouldn't take any of that to get a kid out hunting deer...leave that up to the adults with tags. I also think that there is real value in having youth hunters hunt in areas where they live and play...it gives them a greater sense of stewardship and responsiblility that will increase the likelyhood of the area being preserved going forward. If they always travel long distances to hunt unfamiliar areas, that sense of conservation is reduced.
 
LAST EDITED ON May-13-18 AT 09:46PM (MST)[p]I'm not buying this not drawing with 2 points as a youth. Their must be something wrong with his profile with the drawing company.

2017 Stats

Hunt: DB1533 Central Mtns, Manti/san Rafael - Any Legal Weapon

3 points 22 apps 100% Drew 22 tags given
2 Points 257 apps 95.7% Drew 246 tags given
1 point 2604 apps 98.6% Drew 2568 tags given
0 points 4320 apps 9.9% Drew 430 tags given

So if he had one preference point he would have drawn this unit last year, because those 430 with 0 points were youth. 1 point youth would have drawn before a 0 point youth.

3275 out of 7213 drew

This year with 2 point not a chance of not drawing. I would call the DWR after putting some number together and see whats up.

Nebo 2017 stats look the same as the one listed above.

Hunt: DB1534 Central Mtns, Nebo - Any Legal Weapon
 
My 14 year old daughter has drawn a Nebo general season rifle deer tag each of the last 3 years. I have other friends that have put their kids in for the Nebo with similar results. Not sure why your son has been unable to draw a tag.
 
LAST EDITED ON May-13-18 AT 10:18PM (MST)[p]WannaB......

I feel you completely! I should have drawn my Henry?s rifle deer hunt several years ago! I've only been waiting 10 years! I'm entitled to it right?


Serious note:
Kids have a lot of opportunity to hunt. It may not be where you'd like him to hunt or where he wants to hunt but there's options out there that can guarantee him a tag each year. It's on you if don't want to give him the opportunity and make excuses why he hasn't drawn a deer tag in 3 years.
No sympathy here.

Plenty of good advice given but it sounds like you've got it all figured out and think you are all entitled to where and when you want to hunt and forget everyone else.

I saw the writing on the wall years ago! I knew I wasn?t gonna get what I wanted and where I wanted each year for much longer so I decided I needed to come up with different alternatives that would suite me. I didn't come on MM and complain that there was too many hunters etc.

You have to adapt. Teaching your kids to adapt will only help them be successful in the field, and in life.
Good day







"Wildlife and its habitat cannot speak. So
we must and we will."
Theadore Roosevelt
 
My fifteen year old daughter has drawn four years straight. This is the first year for my triplets to hunt, I put them in as a group and they drew as well. I wasn't able to hunt deer until I was 16 and that did not ruin my desire to become a hunter. That was just the way it was back then.

Having things giving to you easily or too early can have a negative desire on appreciating something or wanting to do it at all.
 
My daughter has drawn Manti all 4 years she has been old enough to apply. I know you don't want to hear it, But there is something fishy here. It is impossible for a youth to go 3 years and not draw a Manti Deer tag. If I was you I would do some checking.
 
My daughter got her hunters safety done at 14. She didn't draw a rifle tag. But there where muzzle loader and youth only archery tags available. We decide to get her a bow and she practice all year until the hunt started. She is enjoying archery hunting. Haven?t got her email yet and I see no credit card hits. So she has only drawn a rifle deer tag once in three years. Luckily for her I can mentor her. But in the draw we only put her in for rifle tags. Knowing that almost every unit will have left over youth archery tags. That you can choose which one you want and buy it over the counter. There is also the antlerless hunts that are great for the youth hunters. So you do have a few choices here in Utah.
 
There's a lot of good responses here based on firm logic.
However, the OP has posted this sentence and says it is the subject of the post.

"The point is that a youth hunter should not have to wait 3+ years for a mediocre general buck tag."

I would like him to elaborate on what brought him to this conclusion please. Why?
 
I know I am a little late here but I will echo what has been said. My son drew his 3rd year in a row on his first choice general rifle deer tag. I think it has a lot to do with the unit you are putting in for. Also, plenty of opportunities for other hunts. BTW, my son has not draw for youth elk.

Side note, Big John, check your spam folder for your email. My brother was complaining of the same thing today, that he hadn't received his email. He checked the spam folder finally and the email had been there since Saturday.
 
There are plenty of opportunities left for youth that want to hunt deer with a bow if he has one and is interested.
 
LAST EDITED ON May-14-18 AT 03:53PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON May-14-18 AT 03:46?PM (MST)

Not getting to hunt is something you're allowing..... I'm sorry but the truth hurts! There is plenty of opportunity for him and yourself to hunt together in the state. Take him on an any bull hunt, the spike hunt, upland bird or turkey hunts are just a few of the many options he has..... granted he doesn't get to hunt one of those two options that you put him in for, but there are still a ton of opportunities for him to have a fun hunt every year.

Also people need to get it out of their mind that we still have general tags.... we don't!!!! When everything went to a draw a ?general season? tag went out the window. People need to start embracing the concept that some seasons, tags, and areas will be easier to draw then others, but an entitlement to a general season tag is long gone. General season is a draw rifle tag that isn't a guaranteed yearly option.
 
>I have never heard of a
>youth not drawing 3 consecutive
>years. How did you enter
>him? Which unit?


For the youth any bull hunts - no tags for any of our kids, 11 times putting in with zero tags for it.

We do put them in for limited entry deer hunts so we understand the process on these.

Good Luck!
EH4
 
So many spot on replies to this thread. As a Midwesterner, I;ve always rifle hunted in an area that was absolute garbage for deer. Tons of wolves, low deer numbers, very very few bucks. That wasn't what mattered to me at deer camp back then. Being with friends, relatives, the anticipation, the thrill of opening morning, experiences in the outdoors, watching the sun come up etc are all things that especially today our youth don't get to appreciate enough. So my only advice is, no matter where it is, what the quality of the unit is or what you end up tagging....take them hunting always....and then hunt some more
 
Plenty of opportunity to draw tags. The youth have more than enough opportunity already. Change up your units and draw or wait on higher point units. No mystery or conspiracy there...
 
Some good advice for youth opportunities from many posts but I do not get the personal attacks from a couple posters, have some respect for individuals opinions.
Wannab most hunters want to see the youth get as much opportunity to get out and enjoy the outdoors especially hunting. I was just getting old enough to legaly hunt small game there was still a pretty good number of Pheasants in the state of Utah and most land owners would let you hunt thear property after opening weekend and yes I could not hunt deer until I was 16 or at least going on 16, back then we could even have two deer tags as long as one was primitive weapons. I was only 15 my first year of hunting deer (turning 16) and when my dad or brothers could not take me I had a Honda XR and I would ride that up into the hills or farm field's and go hunting.
When my boy became old enough to hunt(12) I wanted him to have an opportunity to hunt each year so I signed him up for Dedicated Hunter program that way I was assured he and i would get a permit in the unit we wanted and for the youth the price is a pretty good deal. Also by being able to hunt all three hunts we have not felt as pressured to get out and hunt every day of one single hunt he has been able to participate in football go duck/goose hunt and other fall activities. Being able to hunt all three hunts he has had the opportunity to try the different weapons for each hunt and now that he is turning 18 he might choose to hunt just one hunt or he might want to continue with the Dedicated Hunter program.
Look for some of these opportunities and take advantage of them and enjoy the years (they go by fast) you have with your kids I promise you will look back and wish you had did more with them, I know I look back and wish I had some of the years back.
Sorry kind of a long post but just felt like sharing my thoughts.
 
Can the youth use an unfilled archery tag in the muzzy and rifle seasons or did they discontinue that?
 
I think they need to draw a any weapon tag to hunt the 3 seasons. If they buy the archery tag they can't use it to hunt muzzle and rifle.
 
^^^correct^^^ I Have no sympathy for the youth tag dilemma, they have plenty of good opportunities and could easily have a deer tag of some kind every year. In multiple states.
 
How about senior tags? We've paid all our life and don't have many years left to hunt. We can't afford to miss a year of hunting.

Youths have all their life to hunt and so far have contributed nothing.
 
Wow.

Lets get real. I'm 44, not 90. I wonder how many of you guys have lifetime licenses?(for you evil greedy youth, that's a license bought for $500 I believe guaranteeing a tag every year no points game). At 14 I could hunt every weapon. I could hunt EVERY season, STATEWIDE. Yup, no CWMU, most private land was accessible, most towns were still just that so you could hunt outside them. AT 14. We didn't have points. We didn't have to draw tags. In fact school shut down for the opener.

I love these posts about youth. The vast majority of the dudes making them grew up hunting in family camps in the same spot every year. Most of them hunting 2 weekends a year, because in the 40 and over class, out of state was rare, money wasn't flowing, few folks left their county let alone state.

So lets get real. The youth didn't cut tags to 90k, we did. The youth didn't allow 1/3 of the state to go CWMU, we did. The youth didnt set up a point scheme in which for years they could get points for all species, we did.

Get off your high horse. I don't see a lot of youth in hear whining and bitching, but there sure are a lot of grey hairs doing so.



From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
 
>Wow.
>
>Lets get real. I'm 44,
>not 90. I wonder
>how many of you guys
>have lifetime licenses?(for you evil
>greedy youth, that's a license
>bought for $500 I believe
>guaranteeing a tag every year
>no points game). At 14
>I could hunt every weapon.
> I could hunt EVERY
>season, STATEWIDE. Yup, no
>CWMU, most private land was
>accessible, most towns were still
>just that so you could
>hunt outside them. AT
>14. We didn't have
>points. We didn't have
>to draw tags. In
>fact school shut down for
>the opener.
>
>I love these posts about youth.
> The vast majority of
>the dudes making them grew
>up hunting in family camps
>in the same spot every
>year. Most of them
>hunting 2 weekends a year,
>because in the 40 and
>over class, out of state
>was rare, money wasn't flowing,
>few folks left their county
>let alone state.
>
>So lets get real. The
>youth didn't cut tags to
>90k, we did. The
>youth didn't allow 1/3 of
>the state to go CWMU,
>we did. The youth
>didnt set up a point
>scheme in which for years
>they could get points for
>all species, we did.
>
>Get off your high horse. I
>don't see a lot of
>youth in hear whining and
>bitching, but there sure are
>a lot of grey hairs
>doing so.
>
>
>
>From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN,
>PUBLIC LAND.

Hoss what a bunch of BS ! You only 44 ? You must be closer to 90 ! ;-) I think this post should say. Youth not getting to hunt buck deer in the unit of there choice . There are plenty of hunting opportunity for the youth to hunt. Yes I also made the 500 investment to get a lifetime license. Knowing what we know now. I wish I would have bought two more for my two young boys at the time. Getting to pick your tag for any unit before the draw starts is kind of nice. I am not going to lie. But you could buy a tag over the counter at the time and hunt all three season. As long as you only took one buck. Some of my friends thought we where crazy to pay that much for a deer tag. But we also got a neat piece of paper that says. Hunting & Fishing Lifetime Privileges. Kind of like a contract.

47034lifetime.jpg
 
>>Wow.
>>
>>Lets get real. I'm 44,
>>not 90. I wonder
>>how many of you guys
>>have lifetime licenses?(for you evil
>>greedy youth, that's a license
>>bought for $500 I believe
>>guaranteeing a tag every year
>>no points game). At 14
>>I could hunt every weapon.
>> I could hunt EVERY
>>season, STATEWIDE. Yup, no
>>CWMU, most private land was
>>accessible, most towns were still
>>just that so you could
>>hunt outside them. AT
>>14. We didn't have
>>points. We didn't have
>>to draw tags. In
>>fact school shut down for
>>the opener.
>>
>>I love these posts about youth.
>> The vast majority of
>>the dudes making them grew
>>up hunting in family camps
>>in the same spot every
>>year. Most of them
>>hunting 2 weekends a year,
>>because in the 40 and
>>over class, out of state
>>was rare, money wasn't flowing,
>>few folks left their county
>>let alone state.
>>
>>So lets get real. The
>>youth didn't cut tags to
>>90k, we did. The
>>youth didn't allow 1/3 of
>>the state to go CWMU,
>>we did. The youth
>>didnt set up a point
>>scheme in which for years
>>they could get points for
>>all species, we did.
>>
>>Get off your high horse. I
>>don't see a lot of
>>youth in hear whining and
>>bitching, but there sure are
>>a lot of grey hairs
>>doing so.
>>
>>
>>
>>From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN,
>>PUBLIC LAND.
>
>Hoss what a bunch of BS
>! You only 44 ?
>You must be closer to
>90 ! ;-) I think
>this post should say. Youth
>not getting to hunt buck
>deer in the unit of
>there choice . There are
>plenty of hunting opportunity for
>the youth to hunt. Yes
>I also made the 500
>investment to get a lifetime
>license. Knowing what we know
>now. I wish I would
>have bought two more for
>my two young boys at
>the time. Getting to pick
>your tag for any unit
>before the draw starts is
>kind of nice. I am
>not going to lie. But
>you could buy a tag
>over the counter at the
>time and hunt all three
>season. As long as you
>only took one buck. Some
>of my friends thought we
>where crazy to pay that
>much for a deer tag.
>But we also got a
>neat piece of paper that
>says. Hunting & Fishing Lifetime
>Privileges. Kind of like a
>contract.
>
>
47034lifetime.jpg


Thanks for making my point. Yeah. If you were of hunting age when lifetimes were available, YOU HUNTED BUCK DEER IN THE UNIT(there weren't units) of your choice.

Yup 44. Not 90. I forgot how we hunted open bull on the Manti also, no draw.

I let my boy read this thread. He'd be glad to trade youth waterfowl day for the ability to ride his bike to hunt ducks/pheasants/doves with a shotgun on his back. Be happy to hunt deer in camp on weekend on the Manti, then come home and hunt deer in n Utah during the week.

But this is Utah. Where we talk a good game about family, then tell kids to go to Arizona or New Mexico where they treat them better. Place where a kid wanting to hunt a deer is greedy, but we hand out 500 tags for auction every year.

I think the OP applied poorly, could have helped his kid doing different, but NO KID should strike out on a deer tag 3 years in a row. You didn't as a kid, not did I.


From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
 
Utahs way behind other states on lots of wildlife issues. But hunting where you want every year is not feasible with factoring in losing half of our deer herd and gaining double our population. The issues affects everyone not just the youth.
Hoss, I literally took my shotgun to school growing up on the bus and kept it in the teachers closet so we could hunt doves or roosters after school on the walk home. That is long gone too. Youth have way more oppurtunity to hunt now days set aside just for them. The changes that everyone complains about are usually complaints they are making themselves and using the youth as soft spot justicfication for complaining.
 
Informative thread with some good responses.

Interesting the number of folks who act like the game departments should just let all youth hunt however they want, like animal numbers/conservation aren't even an issue.

It ain?t 1880 guys. Times have changed.
 
>Utahs way behind other states on
>lots of wildlife issues.
> But hunting where you
>want every year is not
>feasible with factoring in losing
>half of our deer herd
>and gaining double our population.
> The issues affects everyone
>not just the youth.
>Hoss, I literally took my shotgun
>to school growing up on
>the bus and kept it
>in the teachers closet so
>we could hunt doves or
>roosters after school on the
>walk home. That is
>long gone too. Youth
>have way more oppurtunity to
>hunt now days set aside
>just for them. The
>changes that everyone complains about
>are usually complaints they are
>making themselves and using the
>youth as soft spot justicfication
>for complaining.

But that's the point. Because what we did, and as adults can do is gone we need to do extra. All the grey hairs are mobile, aren't dependent on someone to take them. Of you honestly look at it from a 12 yr olds eyes, they will NEVER draw a OIL. They will most likely get one premium tag in their life. They will be pushing 30 to draw average LE. We can't ask them to care about and love what we do, when they can't participate.

This is the 1st year I won't have a deer tag in 30 yrs. Ill survive. I can jump in the truck and head north OTC. A kid don't have that option.

Having said that, both of my boys shoot bows, to expand their opportunity.

That was a good teacher that would hold a shotgun!


From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
 
I think your missing the point. MOST FOLKS WILL NEVER DRAW A OIL PERMIT and only a few will draw more than a few elk tags its just the way it is.
 
LAST EDITED ON May-17-18 AT 07:54PM (MST)[p]Hey Hoss, everyone has different perspectives. Here?s one......
I didn't start hunting (and accumulating bonus points) until I was nearly 30! I'm way behind the curve ball.
I will have 10 points for LE deer. Still waiting.
My son (18 years old) will have 6-7 LE deer points.
He?s half my age and only a few points behind me!

We are both fine hunting easier to draw GS tags each year while we wait.
The bigger deer are fewer and far between but we love the challenge.

My sons first big game animal was a cow elk on a CWMU 60k acres of private property that is 100% success rate. He had two tags last year
He had two tags the year before that!
My nephew had three tags last year and filled all three of them! (Bull elk, cow elk, buck deer)

My son, now an adult, didn't draw a GS tag this year due to joining a group that milked him for his preference points. (So none of them drew out) but he still will have good chances at other tags in the antlerless draw because he's built up points.

It's purchasing points and looking at available options while giving yourself alternatives that give these kids a lot of opportunities each year.










"Wildlife and its habitat cannot speak. So
we must and we will."
Theadore Roosevelt
 
unfortunately, tags won't be easier to get in the future, there are simply too many hunters for permits. You could always buy spike elk rifle tags over the counter.

It is a draw system in every State and I believe the youth are important to the hunting heritage but I have no complaints. My 14 year old daughter drew a Mtn Lion tag this past winter and harvested a mature Tom in Feb. This year she drew an any weapon general season deer permit. My other daughter and wife didn't draw any tags, not even general. This was all three of their first times applying and they understand the draw system and are not disappointed.

I hope things would get better for all hunters in general and drawing a permit, but mule deer numbers are dwindling across the west. It will only become harder drawing permits.
 
There is a ton of opportunity for youth. We should take them hunting early and often even if it is a GS tag, spike tag, cow tag, etc. We should also take them hunting with even if they don't have a tag. I did that for years with my father and I caught the fever long before I was old enough to hunt for myself.

The reality is opportunity is decreasing for everyone and demand is increasing. Given those facts, I would support eliminating bonus points across the board so newcomers have an equal chance to draw . . . but that is a seperate can of worms.

-Hawkeye-

My Favorite Expo Tag Quotes:

"It is fair to ask how much comes in with the five dollar application fees and how much went onto the ground.? Don Peay of SFW during 3/31/2005 Wildlife Board Meeting.

"There will be a full accounting of how the applications fees are spent.? Don Peay of SFW - 9/26/2006 - Monstermuleys.com
 

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