CO Deer Draw Cratered

BUCKSPY

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I heard (unconfirmed) no non-residents drew tags and that would be a very big bummer if you don't live here. Dont worry though. CPW depends on your money for new pickup trucks so they will re-do it and the world will be filled with rainbows, happy clouds, ice cream cones and unicorns. I'm sure the transparent agency will put up a press release and let everyone know right away. I bet they would love to hear from all of you to check on your points today.
 
Thank goodness for new pickup trucks! I look forward to rainbows, happy clouds and ice cream cones (not really a unicorn kinda guy). Ha ha

So what does that really mean? They completely missed putting non-residents in the draw or what?

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Wow what a great way to hang on to that money for a little longer and let it incur interest. What a joke!!!
 
>Thank goodness for new pickup trucks!
>I look forward to rainbows,
>happy clouds and ice cream
>cones (not really a unicorn
>kinda guy). Ha ha
>
>So what does that really mean?
>They completely missed putting non-residents
>in the draw or what?
>
>
>Brian Latturner
>MonsterMuleys.com
>Will you LIKE MonsterMuleys.com on Facebook!
>I need a friend....


I seen the numbers before they deleated them and they didn't miss all of the non-res but it favored the res allot. In some units it showed no non-res tags at all.
 
I'm hoping for a different result this time. The last draw had a Charlie Brown rain cloud hanging over my side of the bed and a fluffy rainbow over my wife's side of the bed.
 
That's crazy!

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>Well at least my brother drew
>unit 44 4th as a
>res, congrats to him.
>Rick


Tell him not to get too excited CPW said what we seen before as far as the points was not final.Things may change! Look at the points now and it says pending.
 
You are correct I checked after I posted and all mine say pending.
He was so happy he printed his "0" points for deer that I do not know how the Parks and Wildlife can dismiss it or handle it?
Rick
 
This is how they can dismiss it. If they didn't draw any or enough NR there may be a bunch of residents that are dissapointed.

Please note: preference points and draw results are not official until May 15 for Rocky Mountain Bighorn Sheep, Desert Bighorn Sheep, and Mountain Goat and until May 30 for Elk, Deer, Pronghorn, Bear, and Moose and changes can still occur up and until that point. If you see discrepancies with your results on or after those dates, please contact CPW
 
I understand just hope my brother will keep the tag, he had or has the points to draw it.
Good Luck too all in the drawing.
Thank You
Rick
 
i had a long talk with the DOW this morning. It's not true that NR weren't drawn. It's a computer glitch that didn't enter them like they should have been. There's no new drawing. That's been done.

They just need to get all the info entered right. They said don't count on the results you've already seen to stay that way. I'm sure most of them were right, but not all of them.

We'll just have to wait and see.
 
I checked my points and they're pending as well. It sucks because if they re-do the draw, residents that drew will be pissed. if they don't re-do the draw, non residents will be pissed, its a bad situation. curious to what will happen.

Goat
 
>I checked my points and they're
>pending as well. It sucks
>because if they re-do the
>draw, residents that drew will
>be pissed. if they don't
>re-do the draw, non residents
>will be pissed, its a
>bad situation. curious to what
>will happen.
>
>Goat


There going to redo the draw non residents license are $350 each to much money being lost not letting them hunt
 
Symantics maybe but I would say its pretty jacked up if it wasn't fixed this week and the elk wasn't done too. Re-doing the draw?.....they probably won't re-assign draw numbers which dictate the order in which peoples names are drawn. But a few days ago I had a license on file for deer in my "items on file" and now I have a bear and moose only. My guess is quotas that are assigned to res and non-res in units are screwed up, need to be fixed and then licenses re-assigned. Whether or not that is re-doing the draw is up to you. It will be done right but you would think after years of doing this system they would have it down right.

CPW is not the same agency it was 15-20 years ago by any means. There are revolving doors in areas and people move all over within. Lots of younger field employees that don't know their areas and have less of an idea of what is there than most of the locals.
Combing with the parks department essentially watered down an already limited staff. Good news is we are doing statewide mule deer meetings again to talk about the mule deer herds. Sounds familiar to 15 years ago when they finally relented on tag allotments, limited tags and we had bucks again. You can't shoot 80-90% of the 2-3 year old bucks every year and have mature mule deer. I'm jaded and un-impressed by where the CPW finds themselves right now. Try navigating there website from the home page to hunting and see how convoluted the path is to get to various hunting pages. Funded by hunters but obviously not 1st class citizens in the way the website is set up.
 
I got a copy of the 2014 hunt recap that was posted for a couple hours. The hunt I applied for had 50 gen tags. 43 were drawn by residents, and 7 given to landowners. No NR drew. There should have been 15 tags going to the NR pool.
 
The way it was explained to me is the actual draw for names was done right, and doesn't need to be done again. What was wrong is how they were entered in the computer. A lot of NR weren't entered.

It's taking a while to fix, because they want to make sure it absolutely right before releasing the results this time.

This info came directly from a hunt planner who I know well.
 
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>The way it was explained to
>me is the actual draw
>for names was done right,
>and doesn't need to be
>done again. What was wrong
>is how they were entered
>in the computer. A lot
>of NR weren't entered.
>
>It's taking a while to fix,
>because they want to make
>sure it absolutely right before
>releasing the results this time.
>
>
>This info came directly from a
>hunt planner who I know
>well.


+1 Thx for putting out the correct info!

I know of a NR friend who's points went to 0 - he is a non res and put in for 21 first choice archery.. According to the recap numbers this did not happen...

I was also told by the CPW that the hunt recaps is where the problem for deer is and once they have a problem they run all the rest of the draws (elk antelope ect) and figure out the problem if there is one in the extra week they have after all the draws are done.

Again dont believe the hunt recaps that were posted as they did not populate the NR hunters.

Finally if you believe that the hunt recaps posted for a few min were right they are not.

Did I say the CPW has explicitly said that the hunt recap numbers posted for deer are not right :)..
 
Huh? I never mentioned any numbers. Did you quote the right person?

I said the results of the draw weren't entered right. Some NR results weren't entered.

A new draw wasn't needed, but all the results fro the first and only draw would have to be entered right. There's humans involved in entered the results, and that's where the problem got started.
 
I called them right after they pulled the recaps and was told the recaps were wrong and there would be no redraw.

That was a few days ago but it looks like it will all get looked at after they get done with elk. All I am saying is that it is the recaps as well are messed up and we just should wait til the 30th so see how it all gets ironed out.
 
we just
>should wait til the 30th
>so see how it all
>gets ironed out.


Well the 30th is my Birthday. Guess what I am wishing for!!
 
>LAST EDITED ON May-17-14
>AT 10:20?AM (MST)

>
>LAST EDITED ON May-17-14
>AT 10:17?AM (MST)

>
>>The way it was explained to
>>me is the actual draw
>>for names was done right,
>>and doesn't need to be
>>done again. What was wrong
>>is how they were entered
>>in the computer. A lot
>>of NR weren't entered.
>>
>>It's taking a while to fix,
>>because they want to make
>>sure it absolutely right before
>>releasing the results this time.
>>
>>
>>This info came directly from a
>>hunt planner who I know
>>well.
>
>
> +1 Thx for putting
>out the correct info!
>
>I know of a NR friend
>who's points went to 0
>- he is a non
>res and put in for
>21 first choice archery..
>According to the recap
>numbers this did not happen...
>
>
>I was also told by the
>CPW that the hunt recaps
>is where the problem for
>deer is and once they
>have a problem they run
>all the rest of the
>draws (elk antelope ect) and
>figure out the problem if
>there is one in the
>extra week they have after
>all the draws are done.
>
>
>Again dont believe the hunt recaps
>that were posted as they
>did not populate the NR
>hunters.
>
>Finally if you believe that the
>hunt recaps posted for a
>few min were right they
>are not.
>
>Did I say the CPW has
>explicitly said that the hunt
>recap numbers posted for deer
>are not right :)..

So are you saying that if our points didn't go to 0 For 2014 we did not draw no matter what. The preference point update was correct?
 
This is just my opinion. But looking at the recaps it shows all of the resident and non resident applicants. It shows that no non residents drew, but all the applications are there. So you can do the math from the recaps and figure out who drew. When it comes down to the last few tags it maybe a 1 out of 4 draw and you can not tell.

For example, a group of friends put in for 53 2nd and all there points went up by one. But, if you look at the recaps they had enough points to draw on the correct resident and non resident quota. They all had 3 points and they showed 4 when the points showed up. The math shows a 90 percent draw for non residents with 3 points. I doubt all 4 of them putting in separately didn't draw.

That is why people were saying the creep exploded and might be the case for 44, 66 and 67. But most looked about the same to me. So yes, the recaps were wrong because they didn't show any tags going to non residents, but it appears all the other info was correct.

I can do the math and give an estimate if you give me the unit and your points and resident or non.

Rich
 
I looked at a copy of the 2014 recap and we had 2 guaranteed nonres draws. Both of those people showed another point for 2014 before they pulled everything off, indicating they did not draw. My guess is when they reboot it will show 0 points for 2014 for both of them.
 
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LAST EDITED ON May-17-14 AT 03:57?PM (MST)

>>LAST EDITED ON May-17-14
>>AT 10:20?AM (MST)

>>
>>LAST EDITED ON May-17-14
>>AT 10:17?AM (MST)

>>
>>>The way it was explained to
>>>me is the actual draw
>>>for names was done right,
>>>and doesn't need to be
>>>done again. What was wrong
>>>is how they were entered
>>>in the computer. A lot
>>>of NR weren't entered.
>>>
>>>It's taking a while to fix,
>>>because they want to make
>>>sure it absolutely right before
>>>releasing the results this time.
>>>
>>>
>>>This info came directly from a
>>>hunt planner who I know
>>>well.
>>
>>
>> +1 Thx for putting
>>out the correct info!
>>
>>I know of a NR friend
>>who's points went to 0
>>- he is a non
>>res and put in for
>>21 first choice archery..
>>According to the recap
>>numbers this did not happen...
>>
>>
>>I was also told by the
>>CPW that the hunt recaps
>>is where the problem for
>>deer is and once they
>>have a problem they run
>>all the rest of the
>>draws (elk antelope ect) and
>>figure out the problem if
>>there is one in the
>>extra week they have after
>>all the draws are done.
>>
>>
>>Again dont believe the hunt recaps
>>that were posted as they
>>did not populate the NR
>>hunters.
>>
>>Finally if you believe that the
>>hunt recaps posted for a
>>few min were right they
>>are not.
>>
>>Did I say the CPW has
>>explicitly said that the hunt
>>recap numbers posted for deer
>>are not right :)..
>
>So are you saying that if
>our points didn't go to
>0 For 2014 we did
>not draw no matter what.
>The preference point update was
>correct?


Nope! Never said that. I was told the points that showed could have been right, or wrong. We won't know for sure until they say...Ok, these is the final results.

Now we're back to 2013 status. Hopefully, the next change we see will be right. They sure like to mess with our emotions.
 
I am not sure what to believe. I put in for a elk unit that took 12 NR points last year. I have 14 NR points and it said I gained a point using the "view source" backdoor". It now says pending using the view source. I guess I will just have to wait and see. Best of luck to everybody. Funny thing is that I was worried at the start of the year because of all the apps I had entered and all the points I had. Now I would just like a single tag to hunt on.
 
>This is just my opinion. But
>looking at the recaps it
>shows all of the resident
>and non resident applicants. It
>shows that no non residents
>drew, but all the applications
>are there. So you can
>do the math from the
>recaps and figure out who
>drew. When it comes down
>to the last few tags
>it maybe a 1 out
>of 4 draw and you
>can not tell.
>
>For example, a group of friends
>put in for 53 2nd
>and all there points went
>up by one. But, if
>you look at the recaps
>they had enough points to
>draw on the correct resident
>and non resident quota. They
>all had 3 points and
>they showed 4 when the
>points showed up. The math
>shows a 90 percent draw
>for non residents with 3
>points. I doubt all 4
>of them putting in separately
>didn't draw.
>
>That is why people were saying
>the creep exploded and might
>be the case for 44,
>66 and 67. But most
>looked about the same to
>me. So yes, the recaps
>were wrong because they didn't
>show any tags going to
>non residents, but it appears
>all the other info was
>correct.
>
>I can do the math and
>give an estimate if you
>give me the unit and
>your points and resident or
>non.
>
>Rich

I put in for unit 67 3rd season with 13 points non-resident. If the recaps where right about the people who put in I think I should have drawn. Can you tell me what you see? Last year they gave 35% of tags to non-residents.
 
Adam,

Last year there were 35 total tags, this year 40 so an increase of 5. NR.s should get 12 tags this year, 11 last year.

14 points 100 %. (1)
13 points 100% (3)
12 points 10, 8 tags left 80%
11 points unsuccessful

Rich
 
BUCKSPY you are right on with your comments. The website is a joke. I have a terrible time finding anything to do with hunting. It's as if they either don't care or want to discourage hunters. I have also called a few areas this year and done some research. Can't get good info from most employees, and it just sounds like either they are inexperienced or just don't get out into the field very much.

Sad part is, these are the very people making the decisions regarding the license quotas and big game management. Too bad for everything and everyone.

But not unique. Same here in Wyoming and I've also just had the same experience in Idaho.
 
>Sad part is, these are the
>very people making the decisions
>regarding the license quotas and
>big game management. Too
>bad for everything and everyone.

What do you know of the people in Colorado making decisions regarding license quotas and big game management? I'm guessing not much.
 
Tree Huggers who don't like hunters and are there just for a pay check and harrass the hunters with bad decisions and information according to a friend who has not drawn in a long time.

And YES, the website is for sure a clusterphuck, hard to find what your are looking for on there.

Brian
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>BUCKSPY you are right on with
>your comments. The website
>is a joke. I
>have a terrible time finding
>anything to do with hunting.
> It's as if they
>either don't care or want
>to discourage hunters. I
>have also called a few
>areas this year and done
>some research. Can't get
>good info from most employees,
>and it just sounds like
>either they are inexperienced or
>just don't get out into
>the field very much.
>
>
>Sad part is, these are the
>very people making the decisions
>regarding the license quotas and
>big game management. Too
>bad for everything and everyone.
>
>
>But not unique. Same here in
>Wyoming and I've also just
>had the same experience in
>Idaho.

Biologist make those decisions. They don't answer the phone when you call.
 
>Tree Huggers who don't like hunters
>and are there just for
>a pay check and harrass
>the hunters with bad decisions
>and information according to a
>friend who has not drawn
>in a long time.



That sounds about right.
 
Exactly. But if you request to speak with one, they'll give you the contact info for both the biologist and warden. This might shock some of you, but I didn't just fall off the pumpkin truck yesterday. I understand who to ask for and how to reach them. And for the most part, I've been disappointed with what I have gotten.
 
LAST EDITED ON May-21-14 AT 12:38PM (MST)[p]They say that they did not do another draw but I see differently.

Showed before I had a tag and now shows pref. points for 2014.
Guess we will find out on the 30th but not holding my breath.

Word will get out if they redrew or not eventually and a bunch of guys and gals are not going to be happy about this GLITCH.

Example-
Say after point preference gets there tags and there was a 50/50 shot of drawing a resident tag with zero points for a resident... But the system gave out 10 extra tags to residents since the system goofed and forgot about non-residents.
10-guys that showed a tag was drawn will not be getting a tag....
How do they choose which ten tags they take back since all have the same zero points?
They had to of had another draw, pulled the unlucky ten from a hat, threw darts or something.

Good luck to all on whatever occurs.
Best,
Jerry
 
Can you say class action suit! boy a lot of hunters are going to be really po'd
 
Since the official results were to be posted May 30 before this whole mess started then any lawsuit would be unfounded unless it turns out that the ReCaps show unfair allotment of tags.
 
>Can you say class action suit!
>boy a lot of hunters
>are going to be really
>po'd


I don't think there is anything anybody can do to them it plainly says results aren't up till the 30th! human or computer error? I think some will be disappointed but not getting a tag is no reason to sue!
 

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