Honest Transparency

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In order to answer Tri's question...

This is what will happen:

Open access to where public monies are being used will bring about hefty jail terms and felony convictions for those who are misusing and abusing said funds.

There is only a single reason that people don't want transparency in their business... because they have something to hide.

Do you remember when your girlfriend deleted 30,000 emails and scrubbed the server so cleanly that it was probably literally transparent?

We the people, (that's us buddy) demand that our money, our taxes, our donations be used in an approved manner and that the user of said monies show and prove that they are operating accordingly.
 
Wow. This is the excuse for logic that SFW and MDF face every day.

"There is only a single reason that people don't want transparency in their business... because they have something to hide."

I want absolutely no transparency in my business. None whatsoever. You don't deserve it. Pack that in your pipe and smoke it. There isn't anything illegal going on here but I am sure you don't believe it. MOST BUSINESSES IN THIS COUNTRY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO BUSINESS WITHOUT PUBLIC SCRUTINY OF THEIR FINANCES OR HAVING TO JUSTIFY HOW THEY DO THEIR BUSINESS TO IDIOTS LIKE YOU. Not only is your post illogical it is Un-American and shameful.

As for people abusing funds and your tough jail talk, I ask you, do you really think people would waste their time and risk jail for a few hundred thousand dollars a year??????? We ain't talking about Tyrone with a felony record and drug habit that makes him stupid. You are talking about working family men and women. With careers IN GOOD STANDING IN THE COMMUNITY no matter what some jackass on the internet says about them. And you think they are criminals?????

Then you polish off your internet turd with this gem.

"We the people, (that's us buddy) demand that our money, our taxes, our donations be used in an approved manner"

What part of that %70 is your money? What part of it was taken from you with taxation? What part of it is your "donation"? The answer is NONE OF IT. So sit down.
 
If $FW was a real business no one would give a crap what they do.

However they are a non profit 501c organization surviving off government cheese and food stamps. Something Try conviently overlooks.
 
Towelie,

A 501c is a corporation registered with the government and is run as a business. I SIT ON THE BOARD OF ONE. We don't get any government cheese.
 
SFW is a business. MDF is a business. They are run as businesses. I am trying to help you understand a fact which you seem to be ignorant of. You are welcome.
 
To be tax-exempt under section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code, an organization must be organized and operated exclusively for exempt purposes set forth in section 501(c)(3), and none of its earnings may inure to any private shareholder or individual. In addition, it may not be an action organization, i.e., it may not attempt to influence legislation as a substantial part of its activities and it may not participate in any campaign activity for or against political candidates.

Organizations described in section 501(c)(3) are commonly referred to as charitable organizations. Organizations described in section 501(c)(3), other than testing for public safety organizations, are eligible to receive tax-deductible contributions in accordance with Code section 170.

The organization must not be organized or operated for the benefit of private interests, and no part of a section 501(c)(3) organization's net earnings may inure to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual. If the organization engages in an excess benefit transaction with a person having substantial influence over the organization, an excise tax may be imposed on the person and any organization managers agreeing to the transaction.

Section 501(c)(3) organizations are restricted in how much political and legislative (lobbying) activities they may conduct. For a detailed discussion, see Political and Lobbying Activities. For more information about lobbying activities by charities, see the article Lobbying Issues; for more information about political activities of charities, see the FY-2002 CPE topic Election Year Issues.

You're welcome for the lesson son.

Now go take a lap.
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-09-18 AT 03:26PM (MST)[p]Not sure what you are trying to prove with this sister but good job. We can all see you know how to cut and paste.

If you would like to see one that wasn't run as a business go google UWC.
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-09-18 AT 04:08PM (MST)[p] I Thought I Had Posted the Answer before but I can't Find it?

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I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
Now That is TRANS PARENT SEE!








I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
Thank you E-assassin for making this thread worth reading. Most people realize non-profits are just that "not for profit". End of argument. And please post more of your transparent see'sss.

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Most people don't realize " not for profits" fiscally compensate people for labor and materials. And that " not for profits can't spend money they ain't got. Therefore successful ones are managed like businesses. Most people don't realize that if they haven't run one.
 
>Most people don't realize " not
>for profits" fiscally compensate people
>for labor and materials. And
>that " not for profits
>can't spend money they ain't
>got. Therefore successful ones
>are managed like businesses.
>Most people don't realize that
>if they haven't run one.
>


If you run one do they have to be transparent with the BOD? For all you unsophisticated swine, BOD is what we in the biz call a board of directors. Very few of us know it's a pretty limited club. We?re pretty important and our fingers are stained from the finest tobacco Cuba has to offer, and our underpants smell of rich mohaganny and leather bound books. You get the picture.

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Tri.

The first year SFW was established I was approached. Its mission was 2 told.

1. Give a voice to the average UTAH hunter.

2. "Save" the mule deer. We had come off record winters in the early/mid 90' s.

It wasn't build Don a house. Fund Byrons fledgling outfitting business. Propell Don to one of the most powerful lobbyists in the state.

Had that been the goal, it would never taken off.

Results matter.

The WB is owned by SFW. THE DON rolls large, was just named on the most powerful in Utah list, in fact now "represents" sportsmen with Trump.

Utah lost ground with sportsmen political power. Utah deer herds are in no better shape after 2 decades.

RESULTS MATTER.




From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
 
> MOST BUSINESSES IN THIS
>COUNTRY HAVE THE RIGHT TO
>DO BUSINESS WITHOUT PUBLIC SCRUTINY
>OF THEIR FINANCES OR HAVING
>TO JUSTIFY HOW THEY DO
>THEIR BUSINESS TO IDIOTS LIKE
>YOU.
>
>

If SFW stops taking public resources (i.e., tags) people will stop asking to see how those funds are spent. Nobody is asking about any of their finances as it relates to other activities that generate revenue from non public resources.
 
Wrong!!!! (In my best fair-a-con voice ). This is all a manifest if homophobia. You need not see the internals. Right to privacy of public funds and resources are the keystone of a free society and as the founders clearly stated, ?give me liberty or give me public resources.?

I'm under contract by a not for profit to say these things in consideration of a handsom salary so ya?ll shut your pie holes.
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Hi Bessy, where did you find that photo? She is my old girlfriend
She has a big heart and one of the best people I know.
I'll have to send this to her, she'll get a kick out of it!

Joe

"Sometimes you do things wrong for so long you
think their right" - 2001
"I can't argue with honesty" - 2005
-Joe E Sikora
 
>Most people don't realize " not
>for profits" fiscally compensate people
>for labor and materials. And
>that " not for profits
>can't spend money they ain't
>got. Therefore successful ones
>are managed like businesses.
>Most people don't realize that
>if they haven't run one.
>

Quoted copied text:
"A non-profit organization is a group organized for purposes other than generating profit and in which no part of the organization's income is distributed to its members, directors, or officers. Non-profit corporations are often termed "non-stock corporations." ... Non-profit entities are organized under state law."

Public Disclosure Requirements:
"Tax-exempt nonprofits are required to provide copies, upon request, of their three most recently filed annual information returns (IRS Form 990) and their application for tax-exemption. To demonstrate a commitment to transparency and to make it easier for those seeking financial information to view these documents, many charitable nonprofits post these documents from a link on their websites."


"Non-Exempt Activity
The 501(c)(3) organization's activities and income must be focused on the purpose as reported to the IRS. In other words, if your organization's exemption is based on the purpose of providing clothing to homeless people, your activities and income must focus on that purpose. If instead, you use donated funds to pay exorbitant salaries while failing to help any homeless people, you will likely lose your tax-exempt status. Similarly, if you decide to use your funds to provide college scholarships to your local high school, although it is also a charitable activity, you may put your exempt organization in jeopardy if you do not first notify the IRS that you are changing the focus of the organization."

Inurement or Personal Benefit
"Inurement, which occurs if a shareholder or other insider receives personal benefits from the organization, is strictly prohibited for 501(c)(3) organizations. For example, the nonprofit may not sell property of the organization to a board member for less than the fair market value, nor may a shareholder receive free services from the nonprofit that others pay for. Employees and directors can, however, receive reasonable compensation for work completed, but exorbitant salaries would likely violate the rule."

Nobody is questioning a salary. As long as it is in line with most peoples interpretation of reasonable.

When it became news that the president of HSUS Wayne Pacelle made $356K a year, he was under intense public scrutiny. As he should have been. A year later he was accused of sexual harassment, which added to his disapproval by its members, days later he resigned.


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SFW is not taking public funds. They are not taking public resources. For some reason yall get that confused. Yall probably think the pretty girl taking the numbered balls out of the hopper for the state lottery is using a using a public resource for money. Go harass her for "transparency".

As for the head of HSUS being removed, the amount of money and the "intense public scrutiny" is a load of crap. He got caught doing crap he shouldn't do in the middle of the #metoo movement and got slapped. The dollars he was making wasn't illegal or violating those rules that have been posted. And don't think I am taking up for him because I can't stand the dude. But deal with the truth of the matter.
 
>SFW is not taking public funds.
> They are not taking
>public resources. For some
>reason yall get that confused.
> Yall probably think the
>pretty girl taking the numbered
>balls out of the hopper
>for the state lottery is
>using a using a public
>resource for money. Go
>harass her for "transparency".
>
>As for the head of HSUS
>being removed, the amount of
>money and the "intense public
>scrutiny" is a load of
>crap. He got caught
>doing crap he shouldn't do
>in the middle of the
>#metoo movement and got slapped.
> The dollars he was
>making wasn't illegal or violating
>those rules that have been
>posted. And don't think
>I am taking up for
>him because I can't stand
>the dude. But deal
>with the truth of the
>matter.

Wildlife IS a public resource...owned by the states citizens. Which is why many of those citizens want to see exactly how every dollar is spent that comes from those tags.

Is it 'none of your business' how your tax dollars are spent?
 
Try-Tip was finally correct about something. I have no right to know anything about his business. It's up to me whether I buy his goods or services.

$FW and basically any Org that earns money from a public resource better damn well better be able to account for where every penny derived from that public resource goes.

If these groups are taking funds from a program which many, including myself don't think should exist, it would be in their best interest to come 100% clean.

I could speculate that in some way these funds have contributed to things which aren't hunter friendly. Political contributions to a group whose mission it is to take public lands. Supporting plans which take thousands of hunters off the mountain. Perpetuating the BullChit philosophy which many people hate.

So yeah, show me the money.




"If the DWR was just doing its job, and
wildlife and hunting were the actual focus,
none of this process would even matter.
But that is not the focus or the goal in any
of this. The current DWR regime, and
SFW were born out of wildlife declines,
and are currently operated and funded
under that paradigm. Those 200 Expo
tags would not even be worth anything if
the focus was where it was supposed to
be, and wildlife and tags were plentiful.
But under the current business model,
that is how the money and power is
generated. It is generated through the
rising "value"(monitization) of a declining
resource. A resource that is supposed to
be being beneficially managed for the
masses that own that resource, ie. US.
The problem is obvious, hedging is not a
long term sustainable strategy, and
others have to lose, for some to win. In
this case it is us, the many, and our
resources, that are being forced to lose,
because there is a minority who's power
and money is derived from our loses."

LONETREE 3/15/16
 
They are taking public resources - 200 premium hunting permits.

Plus, the primary purpose for the creation of the Expo permits, as stated in the administrative rule itself, is to generate monies for "wildlife conservation activities." The goal was never to pay salaries and bonuses. It was to fund conservation projects and activities.

Plus, the WB directed the DWR and the groups to include a provision in their contract requiring "annual audits be accomplished in a similar way that is done for conservation tags.? Wildlife Board Minutes dated 3/31/2005.

Plus, when Don Peay was asked by a WB member how he would feel about an audit of the $5 application fees, he stated: "It is fair to ask how much comes in with the five dollar application fees and how much went onto the ground.? Don Peay of SFW during 3/31/2005 Wildlife Board Meeting.

Plus, when Don Peay was lobbying for the permits and hosted a Q&A session on this website, he responded to questions from sportsmen as to how the monies would be spent as follows: "There will be a full accounting of how the applications fees are spent.? Don Peay of SFW - 9/26/2006 - Monstermuleys.com.

The writing is on the wall that there should have been been clear reporting and accounting requirements from the beginning. Tri understands that fact but he is a troll and is simply looking for drama.

How many of you guys are headed out archery hunting in the coming weeks? I am headed out next week here in Utah and I am definitely looking forward to it!

-Hawkeye-

My Favorite Expo Tag Quotes:

"It is fair to ask how much comes in with the five dollar application fees and how much went onto the ground.? Don Peay of SFW during 3/31/2005 Wildlife Board Meeting.

"There will be a full accounting of how the applications fees are spent.? Don Peay of SFW - 9/26/2006 - Monstermuleys.com
 
They do not receive 200 permits from anyone. You are lying. If you win one of those permits at the show SFW doesn't hand you your tag. SFW doesn't mail you the tag. You still write the check for the full price of the tag to the DWR. Those are the facts.

The rest of that crap you posted Hawkeye has all ready been shot to pieces. You just keep posting it because you don't have any other leg to stand on.


Willeywapiti,

I make my living everyday from a public resource. You don't have a right to know everything in my business. Literally every day millions of private companies are making a billions of dollars using public resources. You aren't demanding transparency from them in the least little bit.
 
200 premium permits are taken out of the public draw every year for the Expo. Those tags are no longer available to sportsmen who apply in the general draw conducted by the DWR. That is a fact.

If a sportsmen wants a chance at one of those 200 permits, they now have to travel to SLC and apply for the Expo Tag drawing, which is a totally separate drawing and requires a separate application fee. That is a fact.

So yes, SFW and MDF have taken public resources and have used those public resources to generate millions of dollars, which supposed to be used to fund wildlife conservation activities. That is a fact.


-Hawkeye-

My Favorite Expo Tag Quotes:

"It is fair to ask how much comes in with the five dollar application fees and how much went onto the ground.? Don Peay of SFW during 3/31/2005 Wildlife Board Meeting.

"There will be a full accounting of how the applications fees are spent.? Don Peay of SFW - 9/26/2006 - Monstermuleys.com
 
Hawkeye thank you for always bringing logic and reason to the conversation on this site. Tri is biased in his opinion and is not going to see anything other than what he wants. Some folks drink the Kool-Aid and believe the propaganda, while others try to think critically and question SFW?s motives. My two cents, SFW is as crooked as Hillary. The one and only way to defeat them is to quit giving them money. If y?all keep entertaining this clown (Tri), this poor dead horse is going to keep getting beat.
 
You still bitter about shooting baby deer Robiland?

"transparency" is a bs argument. All of your posts are based on dishonesty and the more you type the more it becomes TRANSPARENT.

I make my money off of public resources. Yall want to see my books?

Robiland what do you do for a living?
 
Tri can you make a logical argument that doesn't lead to name calling and ?straw man? political techniques? I think you are legitimately trying to defend something you believe in, however, unless you are open to at least entertain an opposing point of view.... the horse will continue to get whooped. You seem like a good guy, like a lot of people on here, let's just agree to disagree on this and move on. Remember the real enemy to our hunting way of life is fighting amongst ourselves.
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-10-18 AT 11:48AM (MST)[p]CaptainCoues,

Hell no. I am hiding stuff. :D


Elknut,

"let's just agree to disagree on this and move on."

That's exactly what I want Hawkeye and the rest of the hate lemmings to do. I get sick and f-ing tired of those parrots turning post after post on this forum into some ignorant "transparency" bs. Go tell them to quit beating the dead horse and move on and I guarantee you will see a whole hellavu lot less outta me here.


I got it. They hate SFW, Expo tags, other people's versions of transparency, other people's opinions of public versus private, etc..... So go tell them to quit beating the horse. I've been saying exactly that for years. Like I said if you read any of my posts they beat that horse after it was dead plus it's dead colt.

Their constant internet whining and hijacking threads with the same two stupid quotes from some dude that apparently consumes every thought in their childish minds is absolutely amazing.

Until they shutup and learn how to contribute to wildlife and this website with some better and more significant material for sportsmen I AM JOINING IN ON THE HORSE BEATING FUN.


Robiland, what do you do for a living?
 
I Show You Boys the Only True Transparency there is & You're All Still Arguing!

For the Millionth F'N Time!








I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
Elkassassin,

I will never complain about you hijacking a thread with that kind of transparency. Ever.
 
>SFW is not taking public funds.
> They are not taking
>public resources. For some
>reason yall get that confused.
> Yall probably think the
>pretty girl taking the numbered
>balls out of the hopper
>for the state lottery is
>using a using a public
>resource for money. Go
>harass her for "transparency".
>
>As for the head of HSUS
>being removed, the amount of
>money and the "intense public
>scrutiny" is a load of
>crap. He got caught
>doing crap he shouldn't do
>in the middle of the
>#metoo movement and got slapped.
> The dollars he was
>making wasn't illegal or violating
>those rules that have been
>posted. And don't think
>I am taking up for
>him because I can't stand
>the dude. But deal
>with the truth of the
>matter.

The only one that can't stand truth is you. I heard about his salary way before the sexual harassment. He was under a microscope then. Regardless, as pointed out, a non-profit is held to a level of transparency that a regular Corp is not.

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I guess your jealous that I kill bigger deer than you? I honestly have no idea where this comes from about baby deer, but if you feel good about it, go on. Just shows what an idiot you are. Keep on truckin, you'll get there one day.
 
"I get sick and f-ing tired of those parrots turning post after post on this forum into some ignorant "transparency" bs."


LMAO!!!!
Who the hell do you think you are fat boy? You own MM?

I get sick of you posting your crap amateur taxidermy work on here. So do you know what I do fat boy? I DON'T CLICK ON IT.

Every post you make shows what a complete assclown you are.

Not one person has posted that they agree with you, not one.
 
Btw fat boy, how long did you lay awake in bed last night obsessing over Hawkeye? We all you did.

and why did you delete your Wade Lemone and his guides are sheep poachers thread?
 

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