The Devil We Know... Public Lands

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Excerpts from https://www.sltrib.com/news/environment/2018/11/05/utahs-latest-land-battle/

School and Institutional Trust Lands Administration (SITLA), a land-management agency that prioritizes raising revenue for public education above all other considerations, last month canceled James Robert Otts' grazing permit.

After 50 years of grazing this land, Ott has 90 days to clear his animals, fencing and other improvements off two parcels, which sold Oct. 24 at auction for the princely sum of $774,000 to a nonrancher. ?School trust lands are a bit of a thorn in our side. It bothers us we have a lease, and the next thing we know, they sell it," Ott said.

As southern Utah?s scenic lands become more valuable, SITLA has increasingly looked beyond grazing on its holdings that are rich in beauty. But its willingness to evict longtime ranchers is now alienating conservative rural leaders who have long championed SITLA as a driver of economic development.

Garfield County Commissioner Leland Pollock sees sales and development that displace ranchers as an existential threat to rural Utah?s culture and heritage. Pollock said, ?We consider SITLA public lands."

?While grazing is important, we simply cannot let it take precedence over all economic opportunities that present themselves,? SITLA Deputy Director Kim Christy wrote in an email. ?SITLA takes seriously its relationship with that industry. However, [fiscal year] 2018 cash proceeds from grazing yielded $1.332 million to the trust, while all revenue-generating programs combined generated $70.87 million.?

The Otts' Yellow Creek parcels netted SITLA just $128 a year. It would take more than 6,000 years of grazing to match what St. George-based sculptor Lyman Whitaker paid for this land at auction. All of SITLA?s Garfield County holdings support 8,720 animal-unit months, or AUMs. Grazing there nets the agency $48,131 annual, hardly enough to cover a single teacher?s salary and benefits.

Pollock has been a leading voice in Utah?s fight to take ownership of federal land, but he has now become disenchanted with the state?s trust lands administration.

They also proposed an ordinance that would ostensibly obligate property owners to accommodate historic cattle operations. The draft ordinance would require ?any and all privately owned incorporated land? to be used ?for livestock grazing purposes only.?

(On another SITLA transaction)? The proposed resort, named after the nearby community of Ticaboo, sits just a few miles from Lake Powell?s Bullfrog Marina. It represents $200 million in investment, complementing the governor?s economic development initiative to create 25,000 new jobs in rural Utah, Christy said. The project could bring $26 million into the school trust. In contrast, that parcel supports just 24 AUMs, netting about $140 a year from grazing. For good measure, county commissioners also imposed a six-month moratorium on any new glamping operations.

?It is ironic that [Pollock] opposes an opportunity to see lands privatized, as well as being added to the county tax rolls,? Christy said.
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-05-18 AT 10:20PM (MST)[p]Pay attention to the fact that The Utah Transfer of Public Lands Act requires proceeds from the sell of public land to be deposited into the SITLA account.

Remember that the land grabbers are led by County Councils, who are the leading source of funding to the American Lands Council, as they tell us the land grab will result in more property taxes (which would only be true if it were sold, as state-owned land doesn't pay property tax) and more money for education.

All this while the individual ranchers are paying $124/yr for grazing rights on land that by Utah Code is specifically NOT "public land" and is worth over $750,000 in this example.

Pollack and his ilk should be jumping up and down for increased property tax revenue and education funding... as that is what they keep telling us the land grab is all about. Instead they are claiming supremacy of private property rights by telling people they must graze on their property and telling other landowners that they can't start a business on their land unless it is the business the County Council wants. Where is the intellectual honesty in this?
 
I've heard the Sean Hannitys of the world stand on their heads and scream about this being the most important election ever...

Reality is, its not. Hopefully you guys will look honestly at what IS happening with YOUR LANDS, and set a red line in the sand.

Go vote today. Consider that while this is SITLA land, Tommorow it will be BLM/FS. The Sean Hannity of the world could care less, but I hope you guys will consider the a amount of time you and your family spend on public land, and how big a part of your life they are, and vote for your OWN selfish reason, not some phony balance of power BS. You have the opportunity to make a deafening statement that here in Utah we have decided to #keepitpublic.







From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
 
Can you post a link on Sean Hannity not giving a rats azz about keeping public land public. Just never heard that before. Thanks.
 
It's interesting to watch these things unfold. They love state control, until they don't.
 
>Can you post a link on
>Sean Hannity not giving a
>rats azz about keeping public
>land public. Just never heard
>that before. Thanks.

THIS PLEASE. I've only heard it from
TED CRUZ.
 
>Can you post a link on
>Sean Hannity not giving a
>rats azz about keeping public
>land public. Just never heard
>that before. Thanks.

it Who do you suppose he supports? Bishop? Romney? What do they support?

Try not to get sidetracked. The point is simple. Your on a hunting page. 70% of the folks in here hunt public land. Please vote for your selfish reasons, not because some talking head spins you. Obama care is still here, spending is at record levels, abortion is still legal. Blindly supporting these talking points while sacrificing something YOU LOVE, is silly.

Vote for the things YOU LOVE.


From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
 
"Try not to get sidetracked. The point is simple. Your on a hunting page. 70% of the folks in here hunt public land. Please vote for your selfish reasons, not because some talking head spins you. Obama care is still here, spending is at record levels, abortion is still legal. Blindly supporting these talking points while sacrificing something YOU LOVE, is silly."

Well, all this is for naught if the means by which you use to enjoy public lands is compromised. Yeah, I always vote for my own selfish reasons...
 
>SO why didn't Ott buy the
>parcels?

Go ask him. It was sold at auction. He had the same opportunity as you and I.

Grizzly

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"This is a classic case of a handful of greedy fly fishermen getting too greedy." -Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as told to KUTV

"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
 
>It's interesting to watch these things
>unfold. They love state control,
>until they don't.

Exactly, when medical cannabis looks like it'll pass the Republicans say we should vote it down because it violates federal law, but...

They claim private property rights but want to exercise it on land they don't even own. Then they tell other private landowners what they can and can't do with their own deeded land.

It comes down to greed. They want our land for their own financial gain and "lifestyle" but don't want to pay fair market value for it.

They're a taxpayer-subsidized industry that regularly speaks ill of those receiving government funds. :Head Explodes:

They regularly claim a "Don't Tread On Me" attitude while waiting for the government to send them checks, artificially affect pricing of commodities and feed, regulate imports/exports, give ranching tax breaks, and lease them public land at ridiculously low prices based on traditional "grazing permits" and not fair market market value. Then those grazing permit fees are used to improve the public land in that very allotment, which in affect is a Cost Of Good Sold and not a leasing fee.

As I asked, where's the intellectual honesty in all of this?

Grizzly

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"This is a classic case of a handful of greedy fly fishermen getting too greedy." -Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as told to KUTV

"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
 
" He had the same opportunity as you and I."


Thank you. That's exactly my point. So what is the problem? Why am I supposed to feel sorry for this guy. He could have retained the land for his own use if he had decided it was worth spending the money. He didn't and someone else did. Plain and simple. The state now actually gets to make money off of the land instead of treating it like a welfare project to keep Mr. Ott fiscally viable?

I fail to see "the devil" I know here, and I fail to see "the devil" I don't know here, that apparently the OP wants me to see.

Who's the devils here Grizzly?

Look Grizzly I understand you have an agenda you believe in here. But you post some junk story with a bunch of unfilled gaps in it. Doesn't help your case much. It sucks in the ignorant with emotion and repels the intelligent with lack of logic. Change your strategy a little and you could probably pull in a lot more followers.
 
The next time you call an outfitter and schedule a trip to hunt/fish you will see the "devil".

The next time you leave Texas to hunt in any of the western states you frequent, you will see the "devil".

In fact. The next steak you eat, fruit/vegetable from California(its water comes from public land), you will get the "devil".

TRI I know better than try to discuss with you, but if Utah, or any other public land state wanted Texas land management, it would have been done in the 1800's. We didn't. Which is why we now have land, and Texas doesn't.

You can't miss something you don't have. Its not a mystery why you don't get it.

Freedom isn't calling an outfitter. Freedom isn't paying a lease. Freedom is going where u want, when u want. For all the yapping from your state, you guys spend a lot of time asking and begging.

Its not personal, you just have no basis from which to discuss the issue.



From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
 
DO you realize how foolish you sound Hossblur?

You are bragging about your "freedom" and claiming I don't have it. The fact is you are learning how little "freedom" you have ever had and its a bitter pill.

Public land isn't "freedom". If it was your right, how can it be sold without your say whatsoever? All it ever was was cheep hunting and outdoor hobbies for you. I understand you valued that and that's cool. But it never was free and it never was/is "freedom".

I live in a state where there are millions and millions of acres of public land. It doesn't define "freedom" for me.

Do you know the federal government buys and sells real estate all the time? Office buildings, warehouses, parking lots, and undeveloped land all over the US. YOU NEVER CRIED ABOUT ANYONE'S "FREEDOM" THEN?????????? But suddenly when the state does it and you think it's going to effect your hunting , then it becomes a "freedom" issue????????

Hypothetical. I would like a person living in Cuba to be able to respond at the idea that a person can go to a land auction, buy a parcel of land previously owned by the government, AND DEVELOP IT AS HE WISHES, to describe to you exactly how free that would feel to them.
 
I know better but....


Texas is 2% public.

That's why we have elections. One side is for selling it. Electing them is giving them the "say".

The federal government doesn't own land. They manage it.

Good luck as usual





From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
 
Texas has more hunters than Utah. That's about as relevant as them being 2% public. Maybe you would like to talk about Texas being the largest hunting economy in the world. That's irrelevant to your argument also, but for some reason you like talking about Texas.

The federal government Manages YOU. Federal and State governments sit and tell you when and where you can hunt. They shove their management down your throat and make you eat it. They mismanage the land for decades and there isn't one dam thing you can do about it. They sell the land and there isn't one dam thing you can do to change that. They tell you when, where, how, you can be on the land. THEY EVEN TELL YOU WHAT CLOTHES YOU CAN WHERE ON THEIR LAND. Sounds just like freedom.
 
I'd like to see the quality of the sculptor?s work that affords him the revenue to buy a property of that value.
 
Hoss,

I've come to the conclusion you bleed blue.#bluewave...but I havent forgotten your a diesel driving, beer drinking contractor.

From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
 
Tri, you severely misunderstand the original OP as well as my position. Everybody else figured it out, but it escaped you so I'll try it a different way.

I never criticized SITLA for selling the land, everybody with a third-grade reading level and a desire to learn knows SITLA has sold so much land that it now accounts for 30% of all private property in the state of Utah. My point is the hypocrisy of the land grabbers demanding state control (with the stated purpose being to fund education and SITLA) and then getting upset when the state sells the land. My point is the hypocrisy of the land grabbers claiming private property rights and then attempting to legislate it away from those they disagree. My point is the hypocrisy of the land grabbers claiming SITLA land as public land, when by state statute it is clearly not.

Grizzly

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"This is a classic case of a handful of greedy fly fishermen getting too greedy." -Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as told to KUTV

"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
 
SO you are surprised that someone wants their cake and eat it too???????

Everybody with a third grade reading level knows that governments want as much money while retaining as much control as possible? How come you didn't know this? Sounds like it's the devil you didn't know at all.
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-06-18 AT 06:16PM (MST)[p]>Well crap! I only have
>a 2nd grade reading level...
>

The benevolence is up for discussion, opinion, and debate.

However, according to the numbers in SITLAs own audits, a full 30% of all private property in the state of Utah was once SITLA-owned and has been sold off.

Unless you have evidence the numbers are incorrect, this is indisputable.

We can discuss whether this is good or bad, but any disputing of the numbers is nothing but Fake News. Even SITLA says those numbers are correct. Hopefully that's clear enough, I don't know how to make it any simpler.

Grizzly

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"This is a classic case of a handful of greedy fly fishermen getting too greedy." -Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as told to KUTV

"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
 
>
>Unless you have evidence the numbers
>are incorrect, this is indisputable.
>


Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Come on grizzly that's a funny sentence there. It belongs right next to "if you ain't first you're last".
 
Tri, you've now posted 7 posts on this thread with absolutely nothing substantive or constructive. You're not worth the 0s and 1s in the computer code it takes to respond to your posts.

If anybody wants to discuss merits, let's talk.

Grizzly

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"This is a classic case of a handful of greedy fly fishermen getting too greedy." -Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as told to KUTV

"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
 
>Hoss,
>
>I've come to the conclusion you
>bleed blue.#bluewave...but I havent forgotten
>your a diesel driving, beer
>drinking contractor.
>
>From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN,
>PUBLIC LAND.

You forgot my stars and stripes durango work boots.

Ill be straight.

I voted Wilson over Romney.

Eliason over Bishop.

Yes for the hippy lettuce

No for prop 4.

Pretty much straight repub judges.

Repub local folks for the most part.

We started hunting in Aug. Will end mid Jan. 99% is on public.

Camp all summer on public.

Fish on public.
ATV on public.

Public land is about 1/3 of mine and my families life, so I voted selfishly.


As for TRI. I don't comment on Hurricanes, never been through one.

Don't comment on pig hunting, never done it.

Your thoughts on public land hold no water, you have none, Texas is 98% private.

You yammering about it, is like a Utahn yammering about Southern Baptists, its all theory, no practicality.

But then, Shelia Jackson Lee represents Houston, pretty much explains most of what you think.


From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
 
On a side note, speaking of Garfield County Commissioner Leland Pollock, that dude is a psycho freak. I used to deliver groceries to his gas stations in Panguitch back in the 90's. One time when I was there delivering, he took a big old bite out of one of his employees arms. I'm talking werewolf type schitt. That guy ain't all there, I'll tell you that much.
 
You comment on Freedom. But you didn't have it.

We have millions of acres of public land here. You want to ignore it and act like it doesn't exist. Some how you think that's logic.

Keep grasping Hossblur.
 
So public land is your #1 issue. Show me Romney stance against public land. The only thing I ever saw Romney stated was. He stated he supported public lands. He did not specified state or federal.
If you have any other info please share.
Just because someone does not come out and yell at the top of there lungs in support of public lands as it stands you say they are against public lands.
Please share your info
 
Republican party platform includes "privatization". He's a republican last I checked.

As for TRI. Thinking this week ill go elk hunting, swan hunting, duck hunting. Don't have to call a single "ranch". Don't have to call an outfitter. I will simply get in my truck, and go. You can't do that, no matter how much you twist the discussion.


Believe me. "Speaker Pelosi" makes me want to vomit. But Speaker Ryan was worthless as ##### on a boar hog. If LWCF is permanently funded, for hunters, election night was a huge win. If Bishops agenda is set back, its another win.

From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
 
Actually Hossblur I am going deer hunting this weekend. I am taking my son. It isn't costing me anything but his hunting license and the gas to get there. It's going to be a blast. I didn't ask if we could do this. We got invited. I know its hard for you to accept as I could understand how you have never received an invitation to anything. But nice people here, that don't want to hurt women, get invites all the time to do outdoor things. I got invited to dove hunt, teal hunt, a clay shoot. My kid last night got invited to go kill an antelope next year. I have three invites already for my kids to go deer hunting this season. We actually can't do all the free hunting. There isn't enough time. In two weeks I am taking my kid to mule deer camp. He isn't hunting deer but he can shoot all the hogs and varmints he wants. None of these hunts involve an outfitter or a guide. Just a lot of families and friends continuing a rich tradition.

Millions of people here enjoy the great outdoors just like in your state. They can go fishing almost anywhere for nothing. They can go hunting year round if they can stand the heat and tons of it is free. I'm not saying we are better than Utah. I'm just saying you are living in a hater's fog and spouting lies.
 
Tristate I took my daughter Elk hunting this year....it costs us our residence hunting licence...the difference between you and me is...I don't have to be invited by someone....I just go cause its public ground to hunt on...and I will rebel against any government managed ground being sold to a private entity...that's why my ancestors left England close to 300 years ago..
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-07-18 AT 07:57AM (MST)[p]Longun, that federal government or state government can turn around and tell you that you don't have access just in an instant. They have done it before they will do it again.

I can go deer hunting places I don't have to be invited. Same for ducks, geese, hogs, and fishing. Just load up and go. Am I glad you get to go hunt elk. You bet. I hope you keep being able to do it. But if you think privatization of land is the death of hunting you are lying to yourself. There is still going to be tons of hunting. Just different than what you are used to.

I find it amazing that many here have been living off the government for their hunting for so long it has actually brainwashed you into believing yo can't be a hunter without the federal government subsidizing their lifestyle.

Your ancestors left England because England was selling land to private entities????????? You might want to check your facts on that.
 
Again Tri.

Being dependent on an invite, and walking out your door are 2 different things.

But, I know its hard to grasp. That woman "I like to hurt", had to hire it done EVEN ON PUBLIC LAND. I guess its a Texas thing? Don't do for yourself what you can pay someone else to do?
Because we have ACTUAL freedom here, I can simply walk up where she poached that sheep, anytime I want. Which you learned, because the dozen or so dudes that wander around that place recognized where she took that BLAAAAAAMMMMMMM pic.

I realize there is some bubble around Texas, where they believe everyone wants to be it. Fact is, when discussing how NOT to manage wildlife, and NOT to manage land, Texas is the example.

The public land states prefer free range animals. They prefer public access to them. High fence, hunt tourism is the result of 2% public.




From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
 
Fact there is more low fence hunting free range in Texas than all of Utah. Quit lying to yourself.

Fact you can literally be told at any time you can't walk up wherever whenever you want on public land. It happens and you know it.

Fact, I'm not dependent on invites to go hunting. I'm just showing you that hunting is so good here a lot of people give it away for free. You were a little to dense to get that point.

Are you jealous that people can pay people? I find it amusing the people who look down their nose at people who make and spend money.



So far every assumption you have made about Texas has been shot to pieces. Have you ever hunted Texas? Have you ever been to Texas? Have you ever been convicted of a felony? Why don't you start telling people the truth around these forums.
 
In Utah we don't call high fence, hunting. Its just high fence.


Felony? Really?

But since your all about truth.

Who asked you to take down that BLLAAAAAMMMMM pic?

I knew where this would go. I do know better. But I think its important to show the kind of folks who are supportive of "transfer". You are that kind of folk, so thanks.

No I have not hunted Texas.

Yes I have been to Texas.

No Shelia Jackson Lee isn't my rep.

No I don't have a felony.

Now your turn.

Who asked you to take down that pic?


Tri, folks don't hire you to do a mount, then post pics claiming what they did and what you did are the same.

Robyn could have done the exact same thing, for the price of a tag and some gas.

She couldn't in Texas. That is the difference.

But hey, we will gladly keep taking YOUR money. And our guides won't even laugh at you when you edumicate them on the superiority of your prowess.






From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
 
Now that its looking legal, can I get a cannabis prescription for Tristatosis?



From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
 
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

That pretty much made no sense at all. I even like where you assume what other people claim even though you haven't ever had a conversation with them.

You do realize you have given up on your argument having any merit whatsoever that all you are doing is attacking some other state that has nothing to do with your problem. How old are you boy?

SO you have never been convicted of a felony? Ever?


What's your name then and why don't you share a picture of yourself with us?

Face it Hossblur cheep hunting isn't freedom. It's just a cool benefit. Like I said to the other posters. I'm glad you have it right now. I really do wish there is a way for you to keep it. But at the same time your cool outdoor privilege isn't a reason to shut down the progress of a state.
 
>Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
>
>That pretty much made no sense
>at all. I even
>like where you assume what
>other people claim even though
>you haven't ever had a
>conversation with them.
>
>You do realize you have given
>up on your argument having
>any merit whatsoever that all
>you are doing is attacking
>some other state that has
>nothing to do with your
>problem. How old are
>you boy?
>
>SO you have never been convicted
>of a felony? Ever?
>
>
>
>What's your name then and why
>don't you share a picture
>of yourself with us?
>
>Face it Hossblur cheep hunting isn't
>freedom. It's just a
>cool benefit. Like I
>said to the other posters.
> I'm glad you have
>it right now. I
>really do wish there is
>a way for you to
>keep it. But at
>the same time your cool
>outdoor privilege isn't a reason
>to shut down the progress
>of a state.


Isn't there some Texas hog hunting forum you should be on? Go away already Tex.
 
Its a different view.

I look at open land and appreciate it being so.

You look at feel it must generate revenue to justify its existence.

That's WHY you don't have the land.

Surrounding it with 10ft fence, importing exotics isn't progress, its just agriculture. We have it here.

So BOY. I missed your honesty on the BLAAAAAMMMM pic.


From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
 
So, tristate, early Nov. whitetail next year sound good?

I figure you can get me invited to go.

If that doesn't work then I'll try my luck along the Republican River in NE on government managed lands, I guess, or maybe a Jan. coues in AZ on USFS land.

Let me know.

thanks,

rr
 
Can't vouch for people from an internet forum. Sorry Roadrunner. I would suggest asking around and building some good relationships. You'd might be amazed how it could work out for you. Good luck on your public land hunts. I really hope you have a great time.

Hossblur,

Why not post your name and photo? Maybe some folks would like to learn more about you.

By the way I never said public land had to generate revenue to justify its existence. You really are out of ideas to defend your position. I don't mind so much if you want to lie about your past but I'd rather you not tell lies about me.
 
You seem to think you know something. Post it. Lets see just how clueless you really are.

Come on BOY. Don't be a tease. Post what you think you know. We are all waiting. POST IT. Lets see what your Google search says. I'm curious myself. Post it. You know my name. Apparently you have some sort. POST IT. You have my permission.

Your good at posting stuff, BLAAAAAMMMMM. GET ON WITH IT.

Until then, my mud is dry. Swans are starting to show, I am getting done so I can try to get one. No guide, no fee, just walk out and hope your lucky. You should try it sometime. In fact, I AM OFFICIALLY INVITING YOU. Throw the kids in the truck, head north.

IM WAITING FOR YOUR EXCITING POST, if I was more techy is post one of those count down clocks like the news stations do.





From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
 
I'm not going swan hunting. I hope you have fun though. Not many Swans in this state. If we did I could go hunt them just like you. No guide. No fee. Just walk out and go hunting. I'm really not sure what your point is. Maybe you think swan hunting is the best ever. Sounds great. But we have wood ducks. How often do you get to go on wood duck hunts? :D

Come on tell everyone here your name. Maybe even post a pic of yourself.

I tell you what why don't you get a nice pic of yourself when you get that swan and share it with us. Be sure to include your name. ;D
 
Imagine that. I get an alert you responded, I anxiously check in, and as usual, ALL BLOW NO SHOW.

So you guys know. When a certain Texas resident ratted out another Texas resident, some dudes went after Tri. I PM him to let him know why I thought he was wrong, and stupid for digging in, I did not support guts going after his business or family. Included in my PM was my name, city, and I think phone #.

Tri knows my name Half the dudes in here do.

But Tri wanted to do what he does and BS. So, TRI, you know my name. So get on with posting your dirt. "Are you just gonna sit there whistling Dixie?"

I'm hoping my next alert comes and I read about my extensive criminal history. Hopefully I did something cool. Suck if its tax fraud or some lame white collar crap. Arms running?


Hurry up. Let the masses know what you know. My neighbors might need to live in fear.

Tick, tock. Tick. Tock.

There that's the best clock I can do. We didn't learn tech wherever it was Tri "knows" I spent time.






From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
 
Come on share your name and a pic. Speaking of "blow but no show". No one takes it more literally than you. Just post a pic. Like I said it would be great to see you holding one of those swans you love to brag about. What are you scared of? You scared of putting your name next to the lies you're telling?

Come on Hossblur.
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-07-18 AT 03:18PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Nov-07-18 AT 03:13?PM (MST)

Tripstate had me laughing when stating
?Texas has more hunters than Utah?
GD I hope so! A state three times the size and a population with 8x as many people......it better! :)
Also
Laughing at his post about his dozen invitations to go hunting.
You better stay good with your friends tristate!
Cuz if not, you may just have to head north to be able to hunt :)

Or

Do you call those you do trade work your friends?
(Free bono taxidermy work for hunting access)
But I'm sure your a swell guy who just has generous friends





"Wildlife and its habitat cannot speak. So
we must and we will."
Theadore Roosevelt
 
Getting back to Tristate's response to me...my ancestors left England because the land was ALL private and ran by a King...we came to North America to govern ourselves and obtain our own land as FREEMEN...and that gov land you talk about is my land and I hire people to manage it for me...and the majority of hunters on here agree with that idea..when we object to decisions we don't like we band together to stop it...I have never had to pay a tresspass fee to hunt gov land..if you think I do...then the way you hunt, you have to double dip on the monetary process...don't get me wrong I have hunted private land also..but I haven't had to pay a tresspass for it neither....
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-08-18 AT 10:37AM (MST)[p]Following!this seems like a very interesting thread
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Longun, in your earlier post you were claiming your ancestors left because the government land was being sold to private interests. That's why I said what I said. 300 years ago all the land in England wasn't all private and ran by a king. There was a lot of ownership issues though and a rigid caste system prevented many people from moving up or down classes and actually ever owning property themselves. That's why some immigrants came here. I actually haven't read any accounts of immigrants coming here because there was "public land". In fact three hundred years ago state and federal "public land" didn't exist here. I do know that many many many immigrants came here for religious freedom and the prospect of true private property ownership.

Like I said before it would help you to do some history research. I understand you value public land. I actually don't have a problem with that. Don't confuse the issue with inaccurate posts like your last two were. Doesn't help your case much.
 
Damn!!!

I got alerted. I really was excited to see what Tri "knows".

Guess Google don't work in Texas?

Come on Tri, its so unlike you to run your mouth, guess your just to busy to post?

Don't be a tease man, PUT OUT.




From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
 
Still waiting for you to actually take on the identity of someone that actually hunts Hossblur instead of one that just wants to hurt women.

Post some hunting pics with your nice smile in them.

I am finding it more and more humorous that the people who talk the most crap on here don't actually want people to know anything about them.
 
>Longun, in your earlier post you
>were claiming your ancestors left
>because the government land was
>being sold to private interests.
> That's why I said
>what I said. 300
>years ago all the land
>in England wasn't all private
>and ran by a king.
> There was a lot
>of ownership issues though and
>a rigid caste system prevented
>many people from moving up
>or down classes and actually
>ever owning property themselves.
>That's why some immigrants came
>here. I actually haven't read
>any accounts of immigrants coming
>here because there was "public
>land". In fact three
>hundred years ago state and
>federal "public land" didn't exist
>here. I do know
>that many many many immigrants
>came here for religious freedom
>and the prospect of true
>private property ownership.
>
>Like I said before it would
>help you to do some
>history research. I understand
>you value public land.
>I actually don't have a
>problem with that. Don't
>confuse the issue with inaccurate
>posts like your last two
>were. Doesn't help your
>case much.

You should read more. Mainly early Mormon settlement.

But so what? Modern day Utah's entire tourism industry is based on public land, be it national parks, skiing, hunting, etc.

Look at the explosion of hunting related companies locating in Sheridan Wyoming, Missoula Montana, etc, etc.

People and companies are specifically moving to public land states because of public land access.

The reason Utah, can compete for companies with Texas,is we sell public land as a perk.

Our license plates are skiing, or arches.

For a guy who only looks at value and revenue, public land is irreplaceable economically. And it does so by simply existing.


From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
 
You should read more Hossblur. Early Mormon settlement didn't occur 300 years ago. I know you hate facts but that one is the truth. Get your stuff straight before talking trash.

Yeah nobody is moving to Texas. Everybody mist be leaving here and going to Utah.
 
>Still waiting for you to actually
>take on the identity of
>someone that actually hunts Hossblur
>instead of one that just
>wants to hurt women.
>
>Post some hunting pics with your
>nice smile in them.
>
>I am finding it more and
>more humorous that the people
>who talk the most crap
>on here don't actually want
>people to know anything about
>them.


Sure thing "HuntingTexas".
We know how much you care about being "real".

I was wearing camo in those mugshots you're releasing. That don't count? Release them,let the fellas decide if it does.

Why wait for a Russian Bot to post pics when you already have them? You will be saving a lot of guys a lot of reading time when you show them who I really am,they will know I'm a plant. Come on 007, you got the goods, shut this non hunter, felon down!!






From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
 
I don't know hunting Texas. Swing and a miss.


So you admit you have mug shots????


Come on quit being ashamed of being a hunter. Come out and play with the rest of us.
 
>I don't know hunting Texas.
>Swing and a miss.
>
>
>So you admit you have mug
>shots????
>
>
>Come on quit being ashamed of
>being a hunter. Come
>out and play with the
>rest of us.


Don't all felons? I assume felonious mopery would include a mugshot? Its sitting in front of you, you tell me.

I thought I wasn't a hunter? Now I'm ashamed of being one? CONFUSED MUCH?

Wait. Am I talking to TRISTATE right now or HuntingTexas? Tri state knows my name, has my arrest record, mugshots, 2015 tax returns, license plate #.

Come on Magnum PI, post it up

From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
 
Doing an awefule lot of talking while praying nobody will notice you are dodging.


Name and a pic slick. Post'em up.
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-08-18 AT 01:50PM (MST)[p]>You should read more Hossblur.
>Early Mormon settlement didn't occur
>300 years ago. I
>know you hate facts but
>that one is the truth.
> Get your stuff straight
>before talking trash.
>
>Yeah nobody is moving to Texas.
> Everybody mist be leaving
>here and going to Utah.
>


Your contention was immigrants left Europe seeking religious freedom. Did I miss that? Is there another predominately public land state settled by a religious group out of Europe that is bigger than Utah?

It was still a Mormon stronghold when it applied for citizenship. It was still a mostly European immigrant culture, in Utah territory, that agreed, in writing, that as a condition of statehood the borders of Utah would contain huge swaths of public land, owned by the citizens of the USA, not the state. It was a condition of statehood. Seems your spin on what those immigrants thought, and what they actually did are 2 different things. But then, you do have multiple personas so I guess that's to be expected.



From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
 
Yes. You missed that. Go back and ready my posts and longuns posts sloooooooowly. Words are important.


Identities are important too. Especially if you want integrity. Post'em up.
 
>Doing an awefule lot of talking
>while praying nobody will notice
>you are dodging.
>
>
>Name and a pic slick.
>Post'em up.

I've been all over these boards.

Search: BLLLLAAAAAAMMMMM. That's my best pic.

But try my elephant and giraffe pics, they are pretty good.


From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
 
Can't seem to find my BLLLAAAAAAAMMMMM pic on this site.

Avenatti, you have any idea where it went?


From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
 
I am ashamed a little. Should have just watched cat videos on YouTube or stared at a wall while my hotmud set up. Instead I played with the village idiot.

I am a bit ashamed I will admit, but there are only so many cat videos a guy can take.



Yeah I would hide in szhame
>too.


From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
 
Different day, different thread, different posters but same old BS from Tristate. Tri finds a thread, argues like a child, never responds to legitimate questions, never provides any relevant data or information, but always makes ridiculous statements and accusations. It's like watching an oversized toddler roll around in a messy, leaky diaper. He thinks he is accomplishing something but in reality he is only making a mess. Pathetic!

-Hawkeye-

My Favorite Expo Tag Quotes:

"It is fair to ask how much comes in with the five dollar application fees and how much went onto the ground.? Don Peay of SFW during 3/31/2005 Wildlife Board Meeting.

"There will be a full accounting of how the applications fees are spent.? Don Peay of SFW - 9/26/2006 - Monstermuleys.com
 
Hahahahahaha

Would you kindly share one of these "legitimate questions" with the rest of us?

Hahahahahaha
 
Sure. Why did you take down the BLAAAAM post and photo?

-Hawkeye-

My Favorite Expo Tag Quotes:

"It is fair to ask how much comes in with the five dollar application fees and how much went onto the ground.? Don Peay of SFW during 3/31/2005 Wildlife Board Meeting.

"There will be a full accounting of how the applications fees are spent.? Don Peay of SFW - 9/26/2006 - Monstermuleys.com
 
So a "lawyer" thinks a question that has already been answered on another thread a long time ago and has absolutely nothing to do with this thread is legitimate????????


And you think you don't hijack threads?


If you think that's legitimate and I'm sure you have the ability why don't you tell us exactly who your good friend Hossblur is and whether he has a felony record or not.
 
Felonious mopery.

Thought we covered that already.



From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
 
>So a "lawyer" thinks a question
>that has already been answered
>on another thread a long
>time ago and has absolutely
>nothing to do with this
>thread is legitimate????????
>
>
>And you think you don't hijack
>threads?
>
>
>If you think that's legitimate and
>I'm sure you have the
>ability why don't you tell
>us exactly who your good
>friend Hossblur is and whether
>he has a felony record
>or not.



Felonious mopery.

Thought we covered that already.

Sure feels better having that in the open, living with that hidden secret has been tough


From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
 
>So a "lawyer" thinks a question
>that has already been answered
>on another thread a long
>time ago and has absolutely
>nothing to do with this
>thread is legitimate????????
>
>
>And you think you don't hijack
>threads?
>
>
>If you think that's legitimate and
>I'm sure you have the
>ability why don't you tell
>us exactly who your good
>friend Hossblur is and whether
>he has a felony record
>or not.


UmpalumpaTri, half the guys on here from Utah know who Hoss is. I just googled his name and just like you saw that nothing came up. Typical of you tho, you get you a$$ kicked is another argument you know nothing about so like the whiney spoiled little temper tantrum throwing girl you act so much like you pull shyt out your a$$ to duck dodge deflect.

Btw UmpalumpaTri, You're a lying sack of shyt. You never answered why you took down your Wade Lemon Hunting poaches sheep thread. Answer the question boy, stop ducking the question.

All your hunting is dependent on someone else. Either by invites, begging yo massa or writing checks. LMMFAO!!!!!
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-10-18 AT 11:27AM (MST)[p]Awwwww towlie showed up to defend his boy Hossblur. It's kind of heart warming.

One thing I find amusing towlie is Towlie didn't exist until after the blaaaaaaaaaaaaam thread. :D
 
Not defending anyone, just pointing out the obvious. But spin it anyway you want, you always do. Spin spin spin.

Thought you were taking your kid hunting this weekend? More of your lies? Or is arguing on the internet more important?

Btw Try, why did you delete your Wade Lemon guides sheep poacher thread? and stop lying by saying you already answered it.
 
Hoss/Towelie one in the same? Alter ego?.....might want to edit your grammar, your use of ?mark's and repeated words looks awful similar to the almighty Hoss. Tri might have a point here. I know celebrities try and pull it off to clap back at critics but going to that extent on MM......wow. weak move, but common for libtards.
 
>Hoss/Towelie one in the same? Alter
>ego?.....might want to edit your
>grammar, your use of ?mark's
>and repeated words looks awful
>similar to the almighty Hoss.
>Tri might have a point
>here. I know celebrities try
>and pull it off to
>clap back at critics but
>going to that extent on
>MM......wow. weak move, but common
>for libtards.


LMAO!!!!
 
Jet,

I'm a felonious criminal, and a celebrity? Awesome. Here I thought I was a boring,middle aged, construction trash. Hoping next ill be a poem star or astronaut.

Ever think if Tri "knew" something he'd post it?

You are talking about Tri, the guy that when that sheep was just a rumor, was so excited to show what he knew he posted a pic of complete with Texas flag sticker. Until then no one knew anything.







From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
 
Hahahahahahaha Hoss just posted a new thread 2 minutes before this. I was waiting to see if he would switch names and post here.....and he did!!! And I thought liberals were more educated!!!! God this is absolutely hilarious, I'm literally laughing out loud. May you forever be looked at through a new lens by everyone on this site....MM suicide.
 
Hahahahahahaha and then he switched back and posted 4 minutes later. Under Hoss......wow. Ya, your done. Go ahead and delete your post, hurry before anyone connects the dots.
 
>Hahahahahahaha and then he switched back
>and posted 4 minutes later.
>Under Hoss......wow. Ya, your done.
>Go ahead and delete your
>post, hurry before anyone connects
>the dots.


So says the guy with a disabled pofile, LOL!
 
No that's another guy with multiple names on this website. He'll send you a pm here in a minute saying people are driving to your house to kick your ass. You are starting to learn the depth of crazy around here.


Welcome
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-10-18 AT 03:40PM (MST)[p]Jet.

Since your into detective work. Check out HuntingTexas, bet you can't figure out who that is.

Hint: They both love pics of an infamous Texas sheep hunter


From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
 
Hossblur, unlike you I have been %100 honest and open about my identity on here. Not once have I assumed another name or identity. Totally transparent as Hawkeye would say.

You can't even post a hunting pic with your own face on it.
 
Tri.

Unlike you I have actually face to face met and shook hands with guys in this forum.

And. You and I both know I pm you when guys went after your business with the sheep with my name and address. Feel free to do a massive search if it makes you happy, I'm not that exciting, unless you find drywall mind blowing.

But honestly, I could give a shizz what you think of me, or say about me. You're simple mindless entertainment on days that I'm waiting for hotmud to set up.

You confirmed what was a rumor here by exposing Robyn the way you did, but other than that you offer little knowledge or insight to either my state,or public lands.

I enjoy your pics of your work, your obviously talented.

I mostly hunt with my kids, most of my pics are with them, and I ain't puttin them into the interwebs. You have kids, if u understand, great, if not, again what you think matters very little to me.


I'm a pretty boring dude. But go ahead and dream up ##### otherwise, or don't.

There are dudes in here I disagree with, others I agree with, all of them I respect because I understand their frame of reference. Your frame, Texas, is 100%opposite of the inter mountain west, so you understand very little of it, or the public land debate since you have nearly none.

Its 4:20 here, blue skies, 45 degrees, duck hunting is slow so I'm killing time.

Believe me? I don't care.

You come to n Utah sometime, let me know , ill introduce myself personally.

Carry on.





From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
 
I literally have no idea what you are talking about.


That was a bunch of nonsense in an attempt to look like a faceless nobody with integrity. Swing and a miss Hossblur.
 
>LAST EDITED ON Nov-10-18
>AT 03:07?PM (MST)

>
>Disabled profile...wtf you talking about? Is
>this Hoss too? Lol.

This is what I'm talking about:

Profile information of username jetsled
You can't view jetsled's profile because his/her profile has been disabled.
 
Call me illiterate but I havent changed a thing on my account since I joined MM years ago. Why that matters anyhow, I have no idea? That has nothing to do with people creating multiple alias's to clap back at people. Still in awe that someone (or someones)would take that amount of time and effort on a hunting forum.
 
>Call me illiterate but I havent
>changed a thing on my
>account since I joined MM
>years ago. Why that matters
>anyhow, I have no idea?
>That has nothing to do
>with people creating multiple alias's
>to clap back at people.
>Still in awe that someone
>(or someones)would take that amount
>of time and effort on
>a hunting forum.


Okay, you're illiterate!
 
I'm in awe that someone read anything Tri says and buys into it.

Call me crazy but you can look at the IP addresses stuff is posted from.

Or do I gave a top secret computer that I bought solely to respond to the Texas troll as someone else?

But then someone did drink the coolaid. Someone did out in the Nikes. Some did follow Charlie Manson. Guess Tri having a fan club isn't totally unbelievable, just pretty amazing.





From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
 
Lol.... and your 80 years old and still troll MM's. I'll check this thread in the morning, God knows you've been in bed for an hour. Sleep tight.
 
Reading comprehension matters not to these guys. Already in this thread they have decided some how Mormons came from England to Utah 300 years ago to hunt public federal lands.

Pretty amazing.
 
>Lol.... and your 80 years old
>and still troll MM's. I'll
>check this thread in the
>morning, God knows you've been
>in bed for an hour.
>Sleep tight.


I'm not 80 years old and you can LOL all you want, since you'll be laughing at yourself like everyone else probably is right now! By all means please check this thread in the morning, as I'm sure Tri will have posted more BS like he always does as the #1 Troll on here!
 
Against my better judgement I will add something. Since some people can't seem to understand what they read, let me try to help.

I do not believe the original post, or the title, was an attempt by grizzly to say what HE wants or believes. Instead, it shows how the same people who want to give all federally controlled land in Utah to the state are now experiencing what opponents of that movement fear. The state is selling the land it owns. The state certainly has that option. The question was asked "why doesn't the cattleman just buy the land"? Because he knows he is getting a sweet deal now and could never do that well owning the land. It's a two way street, this state ownership thing.

I'm not going to argue the question of state vs private vs federal ownership or what is done in Texas. That's not even the point. The point is be careful what you ask for.
 
^^^ Thank you NVB.

I obviously failed to say it that well myself.

Grizzly

-----------------------------------------
"This is a classic case of a handful of greedy fly fishermen getting too greedy." -Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as told to KUTV

"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
 

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