6.5 Creedmoor

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El Gringo

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I'm baffled by the rage around this cartridge, so I did a little research. Can anyone explain to me why people are trumpeting this as a long range death-ray, for everything up to and including Bull Elk?

The ballistics are virtually identical to the "Old" .260 Remington, which by all accounts, has always been considered a fine, mid-range, Deer round. No more, no less. Same Caliber..... Same velocity, with the same weight of bullet (less than 30FPS difference with factory ammo).

Am I missing something? I feel like the Elk deserve better than that.
 
Ive heard all u need to do to kill an elk with a 6.5 is just hold up the cartridge and say 6.5 and they jump up in the back of ur truck and expire
 
Your feelings are right. I've looked into it for years and all I can come up with is that the younger shooters get off with it. I think it's because of a few reasons. One is that it's a new cartridge and that's something to latch on to. Another is that we're bored with what's out there. Possibly another is because it's a short action cartridge that has a lot of popular bullets available. I had one built for target shooting and just had to have a 6.5 before I knew any better. Knowing what I do now, I would have picked the 6.5x47.
 
6.5 X 300 Weatherby This Year!

By Next year:

6.5 RUM!








I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
The 6.5Creedmoor is popular for a variety of reasons such as inherently accurate, OAL works in most short actions with heavy long bullets, mild recoil and great marketing. I think the reason it's so popular over the ol 260rem is the factory loaded high BC bullets available for it from the start.
I personally don't own one because I have a 6.5SAUM. If I didn't I'd definitely have one.
 
> 6.5 X 300 Weatherby
>This Year!
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>By Next year:
>
>6.5 RUM!
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>I know so many people in
>so many places
>They make allot of money but
>they got sad faces
>
>It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D

Bess, I have friends that built a 6.5 RUM (they called it the ultracat)a couple years ago. They still have the reamer. I can get you one if you want. mtmuley
 
I had a 6.5 Creedmoor built for me for my last sheep hunt. I did it because I wanted an accurate light weight rig that I could pack in the mountains. I also wanted something that could reach out a little bit with good BC bullets in case it was needed. It was perfect in every way for that sheep hunt, although I was not comfortable when we saw a huge mountain grizz!
Because of points I have an LE elk hunt in my near future, but I won't be packing my new Creedmoor. While the Creedmore can compete with say a .270 numbers, it's still light in my opinion for a big old bull who's not presenting a perfect shot.

I'm guessing most Creedmoor owners are thinking like me. In fact, I don't know any that would use their 6.5 as a go to elk gun.
 
the creedmoor is the beany baby of rifle cartridges....remember those???

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I agree with those who think the 6.5 Creedmoor is a fine little cartridge for up to deer size game at reasonable distances.

I've got a couple of them and they're mighty fine but not magic. Maybe it's because of the rifles I've got them in rather than the actual cartridge but I like the he!! out of ?em!

They?re inherently accurate, easy on the shoulder, throated for high BC bullets, relatively cheap to reload or to feed factory loads.

They?re pretty sweet but don't run out and sell your ?old? 260 Rem (you must be young if you think a 260 Rem is old. Haha) because it's a great round too.

The biggest use for me is on long range targets and the low recoil and potential round-count before it's fried makes it a fine cartridge to augment the big guns I use in the field.

Zeke

#livelikezac
 
Oh and I've killed about a dozen coyotes with mine, a couple deer and pronghorn....but then again almost anything would have worked just fine too .
I guess it's not just for targets

Zeke

.#livelikezac
 
Bess I had a 6.5 RUM wildcat made a dozen years ago by Virgin Valley. It had a 29" barrel. I played with it for a few years, it did kill a bear on elk ridge. Then I sold it.

The 6.5 creedmore is sucking hind tit on every other 6.5. The 6.5 swede was made over 120 years ago and they are ballistic twins virtually. The only advantage to the creedmore is the neck for long ogive bullets, shooting out of an ar-10. I will never own a 6.5 creedmore because I've never been the bandwagon/Lemming type when it comes to firearms. My next 6.5 will be a 6.5-06Ackley. I would own a .260 remington before a creedmore simply because I can just neck down .308 brass to make it.

The 6.5 creedmore is nothing more than successful marketing and a lot of not very knowledgeable gun people buying the hype.
 
Im a 6.5 fan. My first was a 6.5-06 it was fine until Asquare went belly up. I didnt care to form my own brass, and it was barrel eater. Then i got a 6.5 X 284 and as long as i kept my velocity at around 2950 it was a real performer. Both the above rifles had 1 in 8 twists and i used bullets from 140grn to 143 grn. The BCs are great some sectional densities are really high and you would want to make sure your bullet will expand and release its energy and not " blow thro". My first 6.5 CM had the 1-8 twist, but with a 24" barrel it was maxing out around 2640 fps. With 143 grn bullets. My second 6.5 CM with a 26" barrel and reloader 16 can get me to 2720 fps. And the BC on the 143grn bullet is .625 (G1).
If a 260 has the right rate of twist to stabilize the long heavy high BC bullets th=n there isnt a lot of differance between the ballistics. But the Creedmoor is a very very efficient cartridge, in terms of ballistics. Its also based off the 30TC and not one of the same olds. Powders like reloader 16 and H4350 are matched perfectly to the CM. For you guys that can run this info in your ballistic calculators compare bullet drop ,energy, and all round performance to the old standards like the .308 win, 270 win. 7X57 all kill Elk. For that matter take a look at a dinosaur, the 6.5 X 55 sweed. They kill Moose with that pea shooter. I know a bunch of you folks will give your opinions against the little CM and im not saying its a long range killer,in fact i dont long range hunt, i do shoot long range, even compete at times. And i can testify to the accuracy of the 6.5, 6.5 in all the guns iv listed.
 
I don't own one, but wouldn't mind getting one. I have another question. Why do guys hate on it so much?
 
>> 6.5 X 300 Weatherby
>>This Year!
>>
>>By Next year:
>>
>>6.5 RUM!
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>>
>>I know so many people in
>>so many places
>>They make allot of money but
>>they got sad faces
>>
>>It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
>
>Bess, I have friends that built
>a 6.5 RUM (they called
>it the ultracat)a couple years
>ago. They still have the
>reamer. I can get you
>one if you want. mtmuley
>

Hey mt!

No I Don't need it!

I Was Just Sayin....................6.5's just keep gettin bigger!

I Do have the Patent on the 50 JFP!:D

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I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
I consider myself a knowledgeable gun person, and I would say the CM lives up to the hype. I bought one a couple years ago, have been reloading, and shooting it, and I've been really impressed! It's not the only caliber in the world, but a great deer cartridge. Probably wouldn't use it for elk.
 
A Guy a couple years ago was BRAGGIN how He'd shot His deer at 400 Yards with his 6.5 C!

Recovered the Bullet!

The end of the Bullet was Bent!

No Expansion!

He Thought He'd Really done it when in Fact the Bullet/Load Actually Failed!










I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
> Im a 6.5 fan. My
>first was a 6.5-06 it
>was fine until Asquare went
>belly up. I didnt care
>to form my own brass,
>and it was barrel eater.
>Then i got a 6.5
>X 284 and as long
>as i kept my velocity
>at around 2950 it was
>a real performer. Both the
>above rifles had 1 in
>8 twists and i used
>bullets from 140grn to 143
>grn. The BCs are great
>some sectional densities are really
>high and you would want
>to make sure your bullet
>will expand and release its
>energy and not " blow
>thro". My first 6.5 CM
>had the 1-8 twist, but
>with a 24" barrel it
>was maxing out around 2640
>fps. With 143 grn bullets.
>My second 6.5 CM with
>a 26" barrel and reloader
>16 can get me to
>2720 fps. And the BC
>on the 143grn bullet is
>.625 (G1).
> If a 260 has the
>right rate of twist to
>stabilize the long heavy high
>BC bullets th=n there isnt
>a lot of differance between
>the ballistics. But the Creedmoor
>is a very very efficient
>cartridge, in terms of ballistics.
>Its also based off the
>30TC and not one of
>the same olds. Powders like
>reloader 16 and H4350 are
>matched perfectly to the CM.
>For you guys that can
>run this info in your
>ballistic calculators compare bullet drop
>,energy, and all round performance
>to the old standards like
>the .308 win, 270 win.
>7X57 all kill Elk.
>For that matter take a
>look at a dinosaur, the
>6.5 X 55 sweed. They
>kill Moose with that pea
>shooter. I know a bunch
>of you folks will give
>your opinions against the little
>CM and im not saying
>its a long range killer,in
>fact i dont long range
>hunt, i do shoot long
>range, even compete at times.
>And i can testify to
>the accuracy of the 6.5,
>6.5 in all the guns
>iv listed.

The 6.5-06 isn't a barrel eater. The 6.5 ultra mag I had, now that's a barrel eater. The 6.5-06 is milder than the .264 win mag or 6.5wsm and about the equivalent of the 6.5-284.. The 6.5-06 A-square was a bad deal because of the long throat it spec'd. There is no arguing the 6.5 creedmore is an efficient cartridge and a good long-range paper puncher or gong dinger. The problem is that many people think it is more than it is. Another thing to remember when people talk about how many moose the 6.5 swede has accounted for, those are European moose and they are much smaller than our North American moose.

And yes the heavier 140-160 grain bullets need at least a 1 in 8 twist. You are spot on with velocities. Most 140 grain factory loads are pushing to make 2,700fps.
 
The 50 JFP will Kill stuff too!

Over 9,000 FPS!

50 BMG Necked down to .17!

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I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
I broke down and bought one last year. Although I haven't hunted with it yet, it is quite impressive on the range ringing steel gongs out to 1000 yards.
I would have absolutely zero quarrels taking it deer hunting but limiting my shots out to 600 yards due to energy.
Elk get bigger pills sent from my Lapua ?
 
My 6.5 Creedmoor has killed everything we have hunted for. That includes bull elk and NM oryx. Can?t complain as all kills have been 1 shot kills.
 
Me and my family have been shooting creedmoors for the last 7 or so years. Everything we have shot at has went down. Including my moose this year with a 140 grain bullet. It left a hole in it for sure! Figure the 6.5 swede has been killing moose for 100 years or so. I wouldn't be afraid to shoot any big game animal is the US with it.
 
6.5 PRC is intriguing. I would get that before a Creedmore. Never have been impressed with the Creed for what I want out of a rifle, and already have a 25-06 for antelope size animals.
 
I have talked to some guys that are insiders in the gun industry and they say the 6.5 PRC is the real deal. One popular gun manufacturer has been holding off producing the PRC because they are waiting for the factory ammunition to be being produced at a high level, they are expecting high demand for this caiber.
 
>the creedmoor is the beany baby
>of rifle cartridges....remember those???
>
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HaHaaaa!!! YES
 
Yeah I guess I don't get all the hate either.. Is this a Chevy/Ford/Dodge Debate?

And I don't get the "elk deserve better than that" comments either.

How bout' you put one through the lungs and they die? Are we planning on shooting them in the NECK or GUTS or what? A creedmoor through the lungs of an elk is not good or what? I'm missing something here.
 
.....this thread is some funny stufff....lmao



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>Yeah I guess I don't get
>all the hate either.. Is
>this a Chevy/Ford/Dodge Debate?
>
>And I don't get the "elk
>deserve better than that" comments
>either.
>
>How bout' you put one through
>the lungs and they die?
> Are we planning on
>shooting them in the NECK
>or GUTS or what?
> A creedmoor through the
>lungs of an elk is
>not good or what?
> I'm missing something here.
>

You're not alone. Says a lot about a person when they get offended by an inanimate object.

Plenty of hunters have lost innumerable animals due to poor shooting, very, very rarely is it the fault of the cartridge or bullet.

Most 6.5's are plenty capable of killing Elk at normal "long range" hunting distances, provided you can put the bullet where it needs to go.


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>Yeah I guess I don't get
>all the hate either.. Is
>this a Chevy/Ford/Dodge Debate?
>
>And I don't get the "elk
>deserve better than that" comments
>either.
>
>How bout' you put one through
>the lungs and they die?
> Are we planning on
>shooting them in the NECK
>or GUTS or what?
> A creedmoor through the
>lungs of an elk is
>not good or what?
> I'm missing something here.
>

No Hate here. Just pointing out that I don't consider that ballistics generated from the CM to be a great Elk round, and absolutely not a long range Elk round. Nor would I personally shoot longer distance at a Big Muley buck. Absolutely, a 6.5 through both lungs, at a reasonable distance, that allows proper bullet performance will cleanly kill an Elk.

I personally choose a much larger round, becuase:
A. I can shoot it accurately
B. I want as much leeway in ethical shots that I can take advantage of
C. I want to put down the animal as quickly and cleanly as possible. In my experience, Caliber, Bullet weight, Velocity, and Bullet construction have quite a lot to do with this.

It only seems to me that some people are touting this little Deer round as some kind of magic juju that strikes Giants dead in their tracks from "Waaaayyyy over there"
 
>>Yeah I guess I don't get
>>all the hate either.. Is
>>this a Chevy/Ford/Dodge Debate?
>>
>>And I don't get the "elk
>>deserve better than that" comments
>>either.
>>
>>How bout' you put one through
>>the lungs and they die?
>> Are we planning on
>>shooting them in the NECK
>>or GUTS or what?
>> A creedmoor through the
>>lungs of an elk is
>>not good or what?
>> I'm missing something here.
>>
>
>No Hate here. Just pointing
>out that I don't consider
>that ballistics generated from the
>CM to be a great
>Elk round, and absolutely not
>a long range Elk round.
> Nor would I personally
>shoot longer distance at a
>Big Muley buck.
> Absolutely, a 6.5 through
>both lungs, at a reasonable
>distance, that allows proper bullet
>performance will cleanly kill an
>Elk.
>
>I personally choose a much larger
>round, becuase:
>A. I can shoot it accurately
>
>B. I want as much leeway
>in ethical shots that I
>can take advantage of
>C. I want to put down
>the animal as quickly and
>cleanly as possible. In
>my experience, Caliber, Bullet weight,
>Velocity, and Bullet construction have
>quite a lot to do
>with this.
>
>It only seems to me that
>some people are touting this
>little Deer round as some
>kind of magic juju that
>strikes Giants dead in their
>tracks from "Waaaayyyy over there"
>

I gotcha? Room for error at a long distance is likely the key comment here.
 
>It only seems to me that
>some people are touting this
>little Deer round as some
>kind of magic juju that
>strikes Giants dead in their
>tracks from "Waaaayyyy over there"
>

The only people who seem to say that the 6.5 is the do everything magic caliber, is the people who don't like it and bag on the people who use it.

Most people who own the caliber call it what it is:
- A great gun for deer and antelope sized game.
- A great gun for youth and women.
- Can be used for elk, but shots need to be a little more selective than using the "big" calibers.

Look at the posts on this thread for example. Almost every person who owns one has spoken of its limitations. Nobody says its perfect or better than larger (or even similar sized) calibers, but if you are looking for a good shooting caliber that comes in a lightweight package and very little kick, the 6.5 is a good option. I think something can be said for the fact that I have never come across a person who owned a 6.5 and didn't like it.

Of course, there is always a few people who will tout any caliber to be the perfect do all end all. I've seen threads on this website where people claim the 243 is all you need.
 
The advantage to reloading is you can choose that one do all end all caliber and load it either hot or cold, depending on the shooting situation.

A .270 comes quickly to mind...
 
>
>The only people who seem to
>say that the 6.5 is
>the do everything magic caliber,
>is the people who don't
>like it and bag on
>the people who use it.
>
>
>Most people who own the caliber
>call it what it is:
>
>- A great gun for deer
>and antelope sized game.
>- A great gun for youth
>and women.
>- Can be used for elk,
>but shots need to be
>a little more selective than
>using the "big" calibers.
>
>Look at the posts on this
>thread for example. Almost every
>person who owns one has
>spoken of its limitations. Nobody
>says its perfect or better
>than larger (or even similar
>sized) calibers, but if you
>are looking for a good
>shooting caliber that comes in
>a lightweight package and very
>little kick, the 6.5 is
>a good option. I think
>something can be said for
>the fact that I have
>never come across a person
>who owned a 6.5 and
>didn't like it.
>

Yes, that's true^^^

The only folks claiming to hear that it'll replace all other cartridges and kill everything it's fired at into another zip code are the girls baggin' on it right here.

It's NOT for the one-gun (or 2) guy who only HUNTS BIG big game. I'm going to go as far as to say it's NOT for elk (for me). I've always wanted bigger stuff for those big things.

It was designed for long range target shooting because of the accuracy, twist rate, high BC bullets, low recoil, cheap to shoot a ton and long long lasting barrels. Mission accomplished! It also works just fine for deer-size game even out there a bit...but not "too" far as to set these internet girl's hair on fire.

If some folks can't see the place for such a cartridge, so be it. Don't buy or build one.

The internet breeds all sorts of smart-azz, know it all, tough girls and my bet is that few of them have ever really shot one.

Bring it on girls! I shoot at 600 and 900 almost weekly. Let's see how much pounding y'all can take by day's end. This ought to be interesting.

Zeke

#livelikezac
 
I don't understand how it can be a long range hunter with velocities starting so low. Hitting hunting bullets min performance fps way way sooner.

Yup ringing plates all day long. Too slow for killing at long range (400 plus yards)

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LAST EDITED ON Dec-13-18 AT 05:14PM (MST)[p]Speaking purely ballistics of the creedmoor with a 140gr Berger VLD at 2700fps
Using 1800fps for expansion gets you to 700 yards
Using 1500ft lbs of energy gets you to 400 yards
Using 1000ft lbs of energy gets you to 700 yards

I agree it may be a bit on the smaller side of cartridges for elk but it's definitely capable.
 
I don't want to get shot with one, but I won't have one for myself. Maybe my wife or daughter but id rather go a different direction.

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Reminds me of a lot of back when we used to drag race as kids. some kid would show up with a 283 and claim he was going to clean house because it made up for it's lack of horsepower with rpm. Didn't work there either.



physics say light bullets traveling slowly aren't great long range killers. just accept it.













Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
....getting funnier all the time....lmao still



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I guess we should say the 6.5 Creedmoor is a great cartridge. Just know it limitations. Especially on elk size game.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-13-18 AT 06:53PM (MST)[p]...it's a bottle neck case with about a quarter inch projectile......they been around A LONG time.


....if this particular one had been called the 6.5 leonard, this thread wouldn't exist


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>
>The 50 JFP will Kill stuff
>too!
>
>Over 9,000 FPS!
>
>50 BMG Necked down to .17!
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>I know so many people in
>so many places
>They make allot of money but
>they got sad faces
>
>It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D


That's the Eargunsplittenloudenboomer.
 
>
>>
>>The only people who seem to
>>say that the 6.5 is
>>the do everything magic caliber,
>>is the people who don't
>>like it and bag on
>>the people who use it.
>>
>>
>>Most people who own the caliber
>>call it what it is:
>>
>>- A great gun for deer
>>and antelope sized game.
>>- A great gun for youth
>>and women.
>>- Can be used for elk,
>>but shots need to be
>>a little more selective than
>>using the "big" calibers.
>>
>>Look at the posts on this
>>thread for example. Almost every
>>person who owns one has
>>spoken of its limitations. Nobody
>>says its perfect or better
>>than larger (or even similar
>>sized) calibers, but if you
>>are looking for a good
>>shooting caliber that comes in
>>a lightweight package and very
>>little kick, the 6.5 is
>>a good option. I think
>>something can be said for
>>the fact that I have
>>never come across a person
>>who owned a 6.5 and
>>didn't like it.
>>
>
>Yes, that's true^^^
>
>The only folks claiming to hear
>that it'll replace all other
>cartridges and kill everything it's
>fired at into another zip
>code are the girls baggin'
>on it right here.
>
>It's NOT for the one-gun (or
>2) guy who only HUNTS
>BIG big game. I'm going
>to go as far as
>to say it's NOT for
>elk (for me). I've always
>wanted bigger stuff for those
>big things.
>
>It was designed for long range
>target shooting because of the
>accuracy, twist rate, high BC
>bullets, low recoil, cheap to
>shoot a ton and long
>long lasting barrels. Mission accomplished!
>It also works just fine
>for deer-size game even out
>there a bit...but not "too"
>far as to set these
>internet girl's hair on fire.
>
>
>If some folks can't see the
>place for such a cartridge,
>so be it. Don't buy
>or build one.
>
>The internet breeds all sorts of
>smart-azz, know it all, tough
>girls and my bet is
>that few of them have
>ever really shot one.
>
>Bring it on girls! I shoot
>at 600 and 900 almost
>weekly. Let's see how much
>pounding y'all can take by
>day's end. This ought to
>be interesting.
>
>Zeke
>
>#livelikezac


Sounds like you take pounding on a weekly basis ;-)
 
>LAST EDITED ON Dec-13-18
>AT 06:53?PM (MST)
>....if this particular one had been
>called the 6.5 leonard, this
>thread wouldn't exist

Never truer words have been spoken. Surely the name Creedmoor lends cred where it may or may not be warranted.

In this particular case, pun intended, it's definitely a shooters caliber. There aren't many calibers that are as fun to shoot and potentially useful in so many applications. Not the perfect load for nearly anything but plinking steel at longer ranges. Yet it's a decent caliber for dogs and can, in a pinch suffice as a cow elk gun. In a light weight bolt action it could be nearly a perfect deer caliber for high backcountry hunts for example.

Lot's of other calibers are similar, but for some reason never became popular. Give it a name nearly everyone connects with and you get lots of fans.

If you've never shot a 6.5cm in a semi auto, you're missing some fun to be had regardless of all the hype or bagging.

Cheers, Pete
 
I had one in a Savage Predator. It was a fun, mild mannered rifle to shoot. Very accurate and easy on the shoulder. Since I had a 264WM and a 6.5 x284 , I ended up selling it. I never had any intentions of using it on anything other than predators.
 
>3 minute video by Ron Spomer
>on 6.5's I'm impressed.
>
>https://youtu.be/n6APMqMkikk


I'd like to compare the Performance of the 6.5's & the 300 Win Mag on Grizzlies!








I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
Lots of comments with lots of truths & lots of opinions. The reality imo is it's not a lr elk cartridge just as a lot of other great cartridges are not.

When I was a kid the 270 win was a wonder cartridge but not as good as a 30/06 imo. Marketing hype has always been around, it's just way easier these days with modern social media at our finger tip.

Imo the 300 wm sets the mark for a lr elk cartridge. Even then you have to know it & your limitations to do its job effectively. Personally closer is better when it comes to elk & their toughness & will to live.

As for the creedmoor, it has a cool name & is a accurate little sucker that fits a niche along with many other cartridges like it. What's not to like???‍♂️
 
I know why I bought one this year. Same reasons a few other have mentioned. It killed 3 deer this year from 390-510 yards. I won't be switching guns anytime soon. It's fun to shoot and it hits where I tell it to. You guys can call it what you want. I promise to not tell if you end up buying one.
 
>>
>
>
>Sounds like you take pounding on
>a weekly basis ;-)

haha, no... I shoot a mild mannered 6.5 at targets and enjoy myself differently than that.

Zeke


#livelikezac
 
>Ive heard all u need to
>do to kill an elk
>with a 6.5 is just
>hold up the cartridge and
>say 6.5 and they jump
>up in the back of
>ur truck and expire

I literally laughed out loud on that one. Thanks for that!!
 
I Want a Gun that will Put them on the Ground with ZERO Chance of them Limping off!

Ain't Never been a Creedmoor do this!

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I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
The 6.5 PRC is the next one coming, then in a year it will be the 7mms and then in another year back to the wild cat 300s
 
>The 6.5 PRC is the next
>one coming, then in a
>year it will be the
>7mms and then in another
>year back to the wild
>cat 300s


I like the 6.5 PRC. I need a smaller rifle I can shoot a lot. This will be my next project. Just have to finish my 45 caliber muzzleloader build.
 
LMMFAO!!!







I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
Maybe after they get their New Creedmoor they can get a Purse to go with it as well!








I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
> Maybe after they get their
>New Creedmoor they can get
>a Purse to go with
>it as well!
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>I know so many people in
>so many places
>They make allot of money but
>they got sad faces
>
>It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D

I heard that with the purchase of any creedmoor you get a free summit flatty...
 
The best thing about the 6.5 Creedmoor is the endless amount of entertainment it provides on hunting and shooting sites. mtmuley
 
>The best thing about the 6.5
>Creedmoor is the endless amount
>of entertainment it provides on
>hunting and shooting sites. mtmuley
>


^^^^^^^^^
This......
 
My 13 year old son shot his first bull elk (nice 300" 6x6) with his 6.5 CM this year. Gun absolutely sucks... I would buy something else like a .338 and make a bad shot, you still might kill it - most people don't practice at the range much anymore so it's better to have a big margin for error : - )
 
I believe the 6.5 CM may be the most successful marketing campaign since certified angus beef.

That said, I'm sure it has good and lesser qualities. It's the bullet stabilization that makes it shine, not the power. It's not much different than the 260 Remington which was all but dead until the 6.5 craze came along. What I get a kick out of is the guys who know NOTHING about ballistics yet claim the 6.5 CM is the greatest, most powerful cartridge ever. They are out there for every cartridge discussion. Hell I have a friend who always talks about how the 30-06 has a rainbow trajectory and drops like a rock. Acts like it's comparable to a 30-30. He doesn't realize there are many great rounds based on the 06 and their ballistics are nearly identical when you compare apples and apples. And my friend knows next to zero about ballistics.

If you want a short action 6.5 the CM is probably a good one. I'd rather have something a tad more potent.
 
.....like a model 99 in 284.....cool


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GOODWIN: Dems really do love Republicans -- when they're dead...
 
NV , you nailed it on the Angus beef. isn't that a joke ? I defy anyone to tell a good Angus steak from a good Hereford or any good beef breed. and the burger ! they even advertise that as if it's superior. too damn funny. but the buyers have forced us to play in the scam.


Wagyu is better , that one is the truth.













Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
>.....like a model 99 in 284.....cool

Or a 375 RUM!


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>GOODWIN: Dems really do love Republicans
>-- when they're dead...











I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
Show Me a creedmoor of any kind that can do this!


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I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-27-18 AT 09:44PM (MST)[p]Life revolves around shot placement not caliber. A miss with a rum looks just like a miss with a .243. The difference lies in the fact I can buy a box of .243 or 30 06 ANYWHERE when the airport loses my shells. What are you gonna do? Club it to death with your stock or high end accessories?
 
>LAST EDITED ON Dec-27-18
>AT 09:44?PM (MST)
>
>Life revolves around shot placement not
>caliber. A miss with a
>rum looks just like a
>miss with a .243. The
>difference lies in the fact
>I can buy a box
>of .243 or 30 06
>ANYWHERE when the airport loses
>my shells. What are you
>gonna do? Club it to
>death with your stock or
>high end accessories?


You can't Buy it Anywhere!

But!

If the Airport Loses Your Goodies You'll probably be missing some other items as Well!

I Don't Deal with a Gun at an Airport enough to Worry about it!

I Do Pack a Spare RUM just in case!

There's alot of 'What ifs' in this World!

And I Ain't sittin around worrying about them!












I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
"Life revolves around shot placement not caliber. A miss with a rum looks just like a miss with a .243. The difference lies in the fact I can buy a box of .243 or 30 06 ANYWHERE when the airport loses my shells. What are you gonna do? Club it to death with your stock or high end accessories?"

And that is why I will always have a .270 in my gun safe.

With new and modern technology used for bullet design/engineering, even the smaller "sub-par" and a "little light for elk" calibers outperform the bad-ass man calibers of yesterday...
 
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>Show Me a creedmoor of any
>kind that can do this!
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>I know so many people in
>so many places
>They make allot of money but
>they got sad faces
>
>It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D

Why would I want that meat or the bullet that did that unless I was a "horn Hunter"
 
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>>Show Me a creedmoor of any
>>kind that can do this!
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>>I know so many people in
>>so many places
>>They make allot of money but
>>they got sad faces
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>>It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
>
>Why would I want that meat
>or the bullet that did
>that unless I was a
>"horn Hunter"

You May Have Hit The Nail on the Head!

Once I Find The Animal I Wanna Take!

I Also Wanna Take Him Home without Wasting Time Looking for Him!

I Don't wanna see an Animal Limp Off & Die & Rot & Never Find Him!









I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
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>>Show Me a creedmoor of any
>>kind that can do this!
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>>I know so many people in
>>so many places
>>They make allot of money but
>>they got sad faces
>>
>>It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
>
>Why would I want that meat
>or the bullet that did
>that unless I was a
>"horn Hunter"



Same reason you'd want a diesel to pour black smoke... to compensate for small appendages.
 
Here is the truth. The 6.5 Creedmore is not some new, whizz-bang, holy grail of long distance shooting. It is the 6.5/.264 bullet that is the key here not the cartridge casing. People thinking it's the Creedmore that is so great, are really showing a lack of firearm history and knowledge. The only thing the Creedmore does better than any other 6.5 cartridge is that it can shoot long ogive/high b.c. bullets through an ar-10 length magazine. Other than that it has no superiority over the 6.5x55 or most any other 6.5 cartridge. In many ways it is inferior to other 6.5's because it has such a low velocity. Not only that but case capacity of the creedmore is reduced in larger bullet weights.

There have been volumes written over the last 50+ years on how great the 6.5 bullet is and how it has been largely ignored and over looked by american shooters. In the past every 6.5 cartridge has been pretty much a commercial failure in the U.S. and never really caught on other than a small niche of shooters. Finally the 6.5 catches on by the shooting public, thanks to great marketing and everyone thinks it is the creedmore cartridge that is magical and it gets false credit that is really due to the bullet being pushed, not the creedmore case which holds the powder.

Finally american shooters have caught on to something the Swedes learned over 120 years ago.
 
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>>>Show Me a creedmoor of any
>>>kind that can do this!
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>>>I know so many people in
>>>so many places
>>>They make allot of money but
>>>they got sad faces
>>>
>>>It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
>>
>>Why would I want that meat
>>or the bullet that did
>>that unless I was a
>>"horn Hunter"
>
>
>
>Same reason you'd want a diesel
>to pour black smoke... to
>compensate for small appendages.


Hey Bess, you've been posting this photo for about the last 10 years. Don't you have any other pics besides this one ;-) Seriously, if I see this photo one more time, Cass and I are going out to the garage for some bong hits.
 
Dammit, no I'm not a chef or a muppet. He was a favorite though. And I don't have a Needmoor either. mtmuley
 
>Dammit, no I'm not a chef
>or a muppet. He was
>a favorite though. And I
>don't have a Needmoor either.
>mtmuley


Okay, you get a pass ;-)
 
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>>>>Show Me a creedmoor of any
>>>>kind that can do this!
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>>>>I know so many people in
>>>>so many places
>>>>They make allot of money but
>>>>they got sad faces
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>>>>It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
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>>>Why would I want that meat
>>>or the bullet that did
>>>that unless I was a
>>>"horn Hunter"
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>>
>>Same reason you'd want a diesel
>>to pour black smoke... to
>>compensate for small appendages.
>
>
>Hey Bess, you've been posting this
>photo for about the last
>10 years. Don't you have
>any other pics besides this
>one ;-) Seriously, if I
>see this photo one more
>time, Cass and I are
>going out to the garage
>for some bong hits.

LMAO Bob!

I Do Have other Pictures!

But some of the MM'ers Here couldn't Handle them!

And NVB!

Don't Tell Me Your Diesel doesn't Smoke!

While I'm Posting Re-Runs of Pictures I'll Post NVB again in His Belcher:

NVB Just Cracks me up in this Clip!








I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
>Took mine out again yesterday, our
>750 target didn't even challenge
>it.
>I love this cute little round!
>


My RUM ain't even warmed up at 750. mtmuley
 
I can see that there's plenty of hate for the Creedmoor and I'm sure it's based on the fact that some dudes claim it's a do-all end-round which it is NOT.

What it is is a small little mild mannered round which allows for lots of shooting while saving the bore on the big guns for something important. If all the haters don't shoot anything smaller than their BIG guns, ever, then hate away at the 22, 223, 243 and the likes.

Many posters on here who shoot the little 6.5 actually hunt with larger caliber rounds, me included although I've used mine in the field at reasonable ranges.

What I don't understand it the hate levied at those who post on here who DO understand the hunting limitations of the 6.5 Creedmoor.

Moreover, while some were typing away on their computers, some of us were out there actually shooting not just posting about it!

I can't wait for someone to come on here and tell me how ?practical? the 50 BMG if. That?ll be laughable!

I guess there's no room for this little cartridge according to some.

Zeke

#livelikezac
 
Hey Zeke, I know there is room for it and what it can do. I just enjoy reading about all the badass shooters and hunters it has made. The guys that really know and shoot one are pretty silent. mtmuley
 
There certainly are those who thing it's something really ?new?.
I've been shooting 6.5?s longer than most guys on here have been out of diapers and know it's a great ?bullet?.
I shoot the bullet out of a handful of cartridges and the latest is a 6.5x280AI. I think that's cool, for me.

Zeke

#livelikezac
 
>I can see that there's plenty
>of hate for the Creedmoor
>and I'm sure it's based
>on the fact that some
>dudes claim it's a do-all
>end-round which it is NOT.
>
>
>What it is is a small
>little mild mannered round which
>allows for lots of shooting
>while saving the bore on
>the big guns for something
>important. If all the haters
>don't shoot anything smaller than
>their BIG guns, ever, then
>hate away at the 22,
>223, 243 and the likes.
>
>
>Many posters on here who shoot
>the little 6.5 actually hunt
>with larger caliber rounds, me
>included although I've used mine
>in the field at reasonable
>ranges.
>
>What I don't understand it the
>hate levied at those who
>post on here who DO
>understand the hunting limitations of
>the 6.5 Creedmoor.
>
>Moreover, while some were typing away
>on their computers, some of
>us were out there actually
>shooting not just posting about
>it!
>
>I can't wait for someone to
>come on here and tell
>me how ?practical? the 50
>BMG if. That?ll be laughable!
>
>
>I guess there's no room for
>this little cartridge according to
>some.
>
>Zeke
>
>#livelikezac

Your right Zeke the 50 bmg isn't very practical. But the 408 is just that much better. Better ballistics fills the gap between the 50 bmg and that little 338 Lapua. Now you have some down range energy ! Do you know what kind of energy a 408 has at 800 yards with a 420 grain a Rocky Mountain bullet. Maybe we need to start a new thread on this one. How great a 408 caliber is you noticed I didn't say 408 Cheytac. My late rifle builder didn't like that name. He wouldn't let me say that blasphemy in his shop. ?
 
I Like BIGJOHNS 408!

One Hell of a Gun Right There!

Truth Be known He's Ripped Animals In Half with it that would make My Damage Pic look Minimal!











I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
Zeke, If you look up in this thread you'll see I have "Confessed" to being a fan of the 6.5 caliber. I also have shot 6.5s for many many years (6.5 X55 and .264 Win Mag )I no longer own either. I now own and shoot a 6.5CM and a 6.5X284. I would like to ask you 2 questions, as I feel your opinions about the 6.5 align closely with my own. I would like YOUR opinion on required bullet energy to cleanly harvest an animal the size of a Bull Elk. and the second question, can you lead me to some info about the 6.5 X280AI, it sounds very interesting. I have a Remage LA that needs to be built into something.

tried to send this to you with a pm but I couldnt get it to work.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-31-18 AT 06:29PM (MST)[p]>I can see that there's plenty
>of hate for the Creedmoor
>and I'm sure it's based
>on the fact that some
>dudes claim it's a do-all
>end-round which it is NOT.
>
>
>What it is is a small
>little mild mannered round which
>allows for lots of shooting
>while saving the bore on
>the big guns for something
>important. If all the haters
>don't shoot anything smaller than
>their BIG guns, ever, then
>hate away at the 22,
>223, 243 and the likes.
>
>
>Many posters on here who shoot
>the little 6.5 actually hunt
>with larger caliber rounds, me
>included although I've used mine
>in the field at reasonable
>ranges.
>
>What I don't understand it the
>hate levied at those who
>post on here who DO
>understand the hunting limitations of
>the 6.5 Creedmoor.
>
>Moreover, while some were typing away
>on their computers, some of
>us were out there actually
>shooting not just posting about
>it!
>
>I can't wait for someone to
>come on here and tell
>me how ?practical? the 50
>BMG if. That?ll be laughable!
>
>
>I guess there's no room for
>this little cartridge according to
>some.
>
>Zeke
>
>#livelikezac


Ha! I will come on here and say the 50bmg is very practical. Here's why: THE 50BMG IS THE ONLY ROUND AVAILABLE TO CIVILIANS AS A NON-DESTRUCTIVE DEVICE THAT CAN CARRY A PAYLOAD. The funnest thing going is shooting blue tip incendiaries that fireball on impact and are designed to ignite things. Armor piercing tungsten core bullets out penetrate anything. You never will truly understand what ricocheting bullets can do until you fire tracer rounds.

I've shot and killed jackrabbits, prairie dogs, coyotes, bison, and my wife shot a pronghorn all with a 50bmg.

The 50 is so practical that there needs to be towers set up every couple thousand yards on the wall that will be built. Put a shooter in every tower with a Barret 82a1. That should slow down illegal migration.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS TOO MUCH GUN! ;-)
 
Obviously it's an easy to make wildcat round but if you end up with about 59 grains of reloaded 26 and a quality 140 class bullet at about 3175 (which is what mine does) , you'll have one helluva deer gun. There are 3 of us shooting them today and many more guys that I don't know.

If you're asking ME about the Creedmoor variant of the 6.5, I'd have to say I'd never use it on elk. I've found a coffee can amount of Bullets in elk I've killed over the years and really don't care for Bullets smaller than 175. ( Mt Muley and I share a love for the 300 RUM and for good reason). I began shooting the 338 win for elk many many decades ago and it made me fall in love with big guns for big critters. MY minimum for elk is one of the .284 cal mags. I know, lots of elk are killed with smaller but I don't have to and don't want to.


Stonefly quote:
> Zeke, If you look up
>in this thread you'll see
>I have "Confessed" to being
>a fan of the 6.5
>caliber. I also have shot
>6.5s for many many years
>(6.5 X55 and .264 Win
>Mag )I no longer own
>either. I now own and
>shoot a 6.5CM and a
>6.5X284. I would like to
>ask you 2 questions, as
>I feel your opinions about
>the 6.5 align closely with
>my own. I would like
>YOUR opinion on required bullet
>energy to cleanly harvest an
>animal the size of a
>Bull Elk. and the second
>question, can you lead me
>to some info about the
>6.5 X280AI, it sounds very
>interesting. I have a Remage
>LA that needs to be
>built into something.
>
>tried to send this to you
>with a pm but I
>couldnt get it to work.
>

Zeke
#livelikezac
 
The 50 is awesome, cool, fun, huge, legal and you should have one if you want one. You should use one to kill stuff or use it you for whenever you want to.
I'd encourage any guy to get another gun even when it's not practical. It what we as shooters and hunters do!

Practical to anyone in the world for actual hunting?

No

Is it really cool and a fun toy and should be in every tower at the border? (I love your idea)

Yes

Zeke
>#livelikezac
>
>
>Ha! I will come on here
>and say the 50bmg is
>very practical. Here's why: THE
>50BMG IS THE ONLY ROUND
>AVAILABLE TO CIVILIANS AS A
>NON-DESTRUCTIVE DEVICE THAT CAN CARRY
>A PAYLOAD. The funnest thing
>going is shooting blue tip
>incendiaries that fireball on impact
>and are designed to ignite
>things. Armor piercing tungsten core
>bullets out penetrate anything. You
>never will truly understand what
>ricocheting bullets can do until
>you fire tracer rounds.
>
>I've shot and killed jackrabbits, prairie
>dogs, coyotes, bison, and my
>wife shot a pronghorn all
>with a 50bmg.
>
>The 50 is so practical that
>there needs to be towers
>set up every couple thousand
>yards on the wall that
>will be built. Put a
>shooter in every tower with
>a Barret 82a1. That should
>slow down illegal migration.
>
>THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS
>TOO MUCH GUN! ;-)


#livelikezac
 
But my Proof Research-barreled carbon fiber-stocked rifles aren't practical either (financially) but they work for me so I SHOULD have them!
Most top factory rifles will do what mine can do, almost.

Zeke

#livelikezac
 
6.5 credmoores ? energy at 800 yards with a 143 grain bullet is only 835 ft-lbs. . A 408 energy at 800 yards is 4550 ft-lbs. What's a Creedmoor at the muzzle half that ?
 

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