Hyde park buck.

There will be a few people with egg on there face as soon as they read this news article.
 
You may also recall that unlike you, i did not gloat when charges were not pressed at the time. Innocent until proven guilty. At the time you speak of, he was not even arrested. If he is found guilty, i hope he pays a heavy price.

TM, You seem like such a sad little man to me. I hope this makes you feel better.

Joey





"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
Anybody who really thought about this story or knew any facts...knew this an illegal kill. This deer never moved out of city limits. I hope these two guys get it thrown back in their smug faces. Good job to all those that fought to get these guys!
 
If guilty, I'm hoping for excruciating consequences. Lost hunting privileges for many years, shaming billboards of them around the community, hundreds of hours of wildlife-related community service getting hands and knees dirty, $$$$$ fines, probation, even a romantic getaway for 2 to the graybar hotel. Not just the usual wrist slap.
 
Good for the sportsmen who stood their ground to see some justice! I wonder how often poachers keep poaching after they have been convicted and lose their licenses.

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>You may also recall that unlike
>you, i did not gloat
>when charges were not pressed
>at the time. Innocent until
>proven guilty. At the time
>you speak of, he was
>not even arrested. If he
>is found guilty, i hope
>he pays a heavy price.
>
>
>TM, You seem like such a
>sad little man to me.
>I hope this makes you
>feel better.
>
>Joey


Hey saggy,

You were wrong. Be a big boy and say sorry.
 
young Butthurt Travis 06 with his sharp stick said, "You were wrong. Be a big boy and say sorry."

No Travis, i won't apologize in this instance and if you can not look for truth and encourage the justice system to do their job in this kind of business, you are the sorry one!

Lots of statements about this buck were made, including by the OP, that were NOT true. Do you believe everything that you read on the internet as true? Do you take everybody's word as the truth, especially when they have a axe to grind? When that thread of last year finally closed up, no actual proof was available to our readers despite rewards offered by the vigilante group. None. As i requested, let the Men who it is their Jobs, do their investigation, they did, and there might now be a conviction.

It is who i am to believe that a man has a right to justice and a fair trial. To be pre convicted here by a bunch of internet intellectual misfits, all on one's word, no proof mind you, that the deer was seen alive after the season when even he could possibly, understandably be mistaken... No, i can't support that.

Do you believe everything that you read on the internet?

As i said all along, if he is guilty, he needs to pay the price. Looks like that is going to happen and i salute those that made it happen!

Joey

.

"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
>Were they found guilty?


Article says it is expected that both men will enter a guilty plea.

Seems like they got caught and now have to pay the price!
 
"Were they found Guilty?"

Several Months ago right here on MM!:D

If they are Guilty Hang Em High!

Instead of what some Panty-Waste Judge will do to them!

I've said for 40 Years if the DWR doesn't Man-Up & start flat Ass Smackin Poachers it'll never slow down!

They/DWR Admits Poaching Cases are way up this year!

Keep Slappin their F'N Hands!





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LAST EDITED ON Jan-26-15 AT 06:23AM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Jan-26-15 AT 06:15?AM (MST)

Not easy to admit when you are wrong and I wondered how many posters who fully supported this POACHING case and these POACHERS will face up to who and what they were so passionately supporting.

If it smells like a duck, walks like a duck, looks like a duck and was swimming in the local town lake eating bread out of a old ladies hand when it shot guess what it was a duck!!

Thomas Jefferson said it best "if you have to eat crow it is best to do it when the bird young"!

For me if you shoot a town buck or any town pet - in town or one step out - you are not a hunter but a special kind of lazy excrement.. Makes all of hunters look like fools and to call a spade a spade - these two did a great job making a more than a few posters here on mm look like flat out FOOLS supporting their POACHING. I have said it once and I will say it again it is amazing the support POACHERS receive from some on this site......

Congrats again to the all the REAL sportsmen who knew the truth and kept pushing for it to come forward. You guys took the heat and made a stand for the TRUTH - thank you from all hunters for doing the right thing even when it is not easy.

It seems we all want to stop poaching but it amazed me how many posters here on mm supported these 2 POACHERS to a fault. Maybe the reason you utards have such a problem with poaching is that so many of you utards support poachers...

Will we see many apologies - I doubt it as most supporters of poaching are not man enough to admit their fault when they are wrong..

With that said - boys it looks like it is time for more than one supporter of POACHING to step up to a heaping plate of crow washed down with a bit of humble pie!

Or that judge today could say innocent today - then I will have a plate to step up to...
 
Saggy you never learned how to play with others.

This is the time where instead of digging your hole deeper and deeper you man up (a term obviously unknown to you until now) and say you were wrong. Because you were. You still are.

Have a good day saggs.
 
"They are expected to plea guilty", because they could face two felonies. Today we shall see if punishment fits the crime?
 
Yea what do you boys bet slap on the wrist or well slap on the wrist LOL!

Also I just do not see the argument that any poster was ever effective in defending the 5th amendment rights of these 2... Total BS and totally well ignorant stance to take that the due process for these 2 would or at any time was denied or that any mm poster was ever making a stand for the 5th..

Here in the good old usa have many checks/balances in the due process system that I for one trust. To think you are protecting due process here on mm is again ignorant. UI understand hings could well be different in utah..

If some of you boys keep supporting poachers to a fault then there will be more "gasp" poaching.. If you cant see that you are blind. Time for some guys to look in the mirror realize that your argument you were protecting due process is total and complete BS. Time to wake up and realize that the more you guys choose to support poachers the more poaching there will be.

Now to go get some beer and popcorn as this will be fun to watch!
 
Kayak_to_hunt and Travis, Both you guys crack me up. There is a Huge difference between supporting poaching and calling for the law to handle things. LMAO!!!

Joey





"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-26-15 AT 09:01AM (MST)[p]Not sure why you even think this about you sage it is not for me at all anyway. I just saw a sea of voices sending the flat our wrong message.

I also think that no one should ever be shunned or bullied into not telling what they saw and when on a poaching case.. I think many may not have the fortitude to stand up for what is right. I hold the guys who stood up when they knew it was wrong in the highest regard for dong what they did....

Might want to listen to the 3rd presidents advice..

Since I cant figure it out maybe you can - how in any way was the due process or 5th amendment rights of these 2 violated and why are you such a staunch supporter of due process in this case?

"munch sip"...
 
Kayak said, " Not sure why you even think this about you sage it is not for me at all anyway. I just you one of many in a sea of voices sending the flat our wrong message.

I also think that no one should ever be shunned into not telling what they saw and when on a poaching case.. I hold the guys who stood up when they knew it was wrong in the highest regard for dong what they did....

Might want to listen to the 3rd presidents advice..

Since I cant figure it out maybe you can - how in any way was the due process or 5th amendment rights of these 2 violated in and why are you such a staunch supporter of due process in this case?"


Tell me, is it the Drugs, the poor quality of Education where you live, or Inbreeding that causes you to write and claim such stupid things?

I do not support Poachers but at the same time, I will not support internet Witch hunts! I called for the law to handle it and they did.

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
I could be wrong here, but I don't recall anyone sticking up for any poachers on the thread from last year.

I recall most guys saying "innocent until proven guilty". If that implies sticking up for poachers, then count me in that group, I guess. Even though poachers are near the top of my "hate" list...It is possible that many of us were just saying to let the justice system play this out.

Not one single poster on that thread ever posted a single shred of evidence that a poaching took place; other than claims of seeing the buck after hunting season had closed. But no photos ever showed up...

I will admit that these guys story sounded very fishy. But those of us that don't live in the area never knew any inside info about this case like some of you guys that live near Hyde Park. At the time, you guys kinda sounded like a lynch mob. Just sayin'...

If these guys are pleading guilty, then obviously they must be. Apparently some hard evidence must have finally shown up.I'm sure there has been a plea bargain in this case, so punishment won't be as severe as we all would like to see.

However,the only apologies needed in this case are the perps apologizing for their inexcusable actions...
 
From the trend in past news releases re poaching, here is my guess on the punishment after guilty plea:

$1200 fine/legal fees ($900 suspended)
$5000 restitution ($4800 suspended)
12 months in jail, all suspended
Two year probation and suspension of hunting privileges

So, $500 out of pocket, no jail time, two year break from legal hunting.

Now we must wait and see. I'd go down there today and watch if I knew what time the case would be heard.
 
In my younger days poaching was a piece of meat for the pantry and while illegal there were plenty of deer. The smaller buck tasted better and very few people cared about horns. Now poaching has a different meaning. With the limited number of large buck, poachers are ruining a way of life for the sportsmen. The only way Georgia was able to get the turkey to make a comeback was to 10 times the fines and most of the poaching stopped immediately.

That being said, I guess I watch to many westerns, but in the 1800's some of you would incite a lynch mob and then brag about it. Nothing would be worse than being accused of doing something you didn't do. Throw a hand full of feathers in the wind and try to pick all of them up again. You can't do it. It ain't over till the law finds them guilty.
 
Facebook is annoying but at least there I can delete someone that I am tired of reading posts from. Wish we could do it here too on MM. Especially one poster on this thread!
 
Hoth said he is adamant in his wish to see the two alleged poachers lose their hunting privileges for a substantial period of time.

?It's not what happens in the courtroom, it's what happens with their licenses ? that's what matters to a sportsman,? he said.

That will teach them a lesson!
Take a poachers license away. OK????

How about take their guns away.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-26-15 AT 01:28PM (MST)[p]Saying "innocent until proven guilty" or asking for the process to run its course is not akin to supporting poaching. However, there was more than one person that took things MUCH further than that.

You'd have a better chance drawing a tag for and then killing a woolly mammoth in Florida this year than getting them to admit they were wrong. So why try?
 
>Hoth said he is adamant in
>his wish to see the
>two alleged poachers lose their
>hunting privileges for a substantial
>period of time.
>
>?It's not what happens in the
>courtroom, it's what happens with
>their licenses ? that's what
>matters to a sportsman,? he
>said.
>
>That will teach them a lesson!
>
>Take a poachers license away. OK????
>
>
>How about take their guns away.
>

It's because the poacher legally killed and bull elk after this.it would keep the poacher from at least legally getting a permit..
 
Vanilla,

You are the zealot who stated you have convicted people with less than an the "evidence" that was produced here on these forums. Don't kid yourself that somehow these new developments have given you a morality bath.
 
young Butthurt Travis 06 with his sharp stick said, "You were wrong. Be a big boy and say sorry."

No Travis, i won't apologize in this instance and if you can not look for truth and encourage the justice system to do their job in this kind of business, you are the sorry one!

None. As i requested, let the Men who it is their Jobs, do their investigation, they did, and there might now be a conviction.

!

Joey



But this is where you are wrong. The DWR is constantly asking for help stating there aren't enough officers available to keep up with all the poaching cases going on. you use the term "vigilante" with a negative conotation, but the DWR needs vigilant hunters noticing when things are out of place (ie...knowing they saw a buck after the season closed) to come forward and help with these investigations. If these guys wouldn't have came forward and assisted, the law enforcements agents wouldn't have had a job to do. We need to encourage hunters to help, not discourage as you are doing... Poaching is up 30% right now. There is an article on KSL about it. Go read it. Again, the DWR asks for help.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-26-15 AT 02:57PM (MST)[p]Court has gone through they plead guilty. the deer was shot at night with a 22 caliber in city limits. As a side note for those who aren't aware of the details. The majority of the evidence provided was brought forward by fellow hunters. Without the evidence provided by them there wouldn't have been enough evidence to prosecute.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-27-15 AT 11:42PM (MST)[p]the boys #29

Hi, i see your post here saying that i was wrong. You seem to believe that maybe i'm not for turning in guys that poach. In fact, i do believe that it is our duty as sportsmen to assist in any way we can to stop poaching and to report any actual violation we witness to the authorities as soon as we reasonably can.

A post above the one you made to me, i thanked ALL those who helped bring these guys to justice. I teach our local Hunters Ed classes. I preach working with the authorities to help stop poaching. We don't have enough Wardens in this area to go around so they depend on us hunters in the field to help them do their jobs.

So, i think that you are barking up the wrong tree when you think i am "wrong" in that regard.

What i was against, was over 200 posts about the why, where, who, when, the killing of this buck occurred, by then nobody knew more info than when the topic began and there was no proof about anything. One guy mentioned was being drug through the dirt and was supposed to be arrested "imminently", talk of where he worked,.. yet i kept wondering to myself, where is the proof? Not saying one way or another, but there existed the possibility that this guy, or others, could be slandered here unfairly if some of the accusations were untrue or maybe a case of sour grapes.

So, i called for the law to handle it when the results were going nowhere. It appears that that is exactly what happened. Those with info that help Law Enforcement in this case, my thanks, good job. That includes those here and those that were involved in that past thread.

I still don't believe that a open Forum is the place to start accusing guys without the facts. If you know something, absolutely report it and let the law handle it, don't drag them through the dirt UNTIL they are proven guilty. After that, they pissed their own bed, let them sleep in it

AGAIN, Thanks to all those who helped bring these guys to justice.

edit, i'd also like to Thank, all those around here, not running around with a chip on their shoulder, trying to poke me with a sharp stick! :)

Joey



"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
Trophymuley

thank you for posting this. This really opens up my eyes to the selfish people in the world. How unfortunate that that beautiful creature had his life stolen from him by some selfish poacher.
 

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