Is trapping urban deer really worth it?..thanks for nothing "Logan"

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LAST EDITED ON Mar-06-15 AT 07:34PM (MST)[p]

Trapping at a cost!
Stress them enough too kill them..
the trapping in North Logan too relocate is totally BS.
The DNR and animal control took this buck bloody and beat from their trap and overstressed it to the end.

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LAST EDITED ON Mar-06-15 AT 08:16PM (MST)[p]I say yes it's worth it. We could sit back and do nothing, or we can fight to save mule deer. Trapping urban deer and relocating them is better than seeing them dead in the road, or killed by the DWR.

I'm not familiar with how or when they trapped deer in Logan. I was able to help multiple times in Bountiful with their urban deer transplant. I was there working as a SFW volunteer. We used three different methods in capturing deer. The three methods were a drop net, a drive where we herded the deer into a net, and a clover trap. I observed that the clover trap caused the least amount of stress to the deer. We would set the trap at night and check them early the next morning. The traps were effective but time consuming. When a drop net was used we were able to catch more deer at a time. I personally wasn't a fan of this method because it did seem to cause more stress on the deer. The drive method wasnt very successful when I was present due to the urban setting. The idea that mule deer could not be relocated successfully is being debunked. I applaud the UDWR for their efforts. Im not sure what method was used to capture the deer in Logan, I can say that I witnessed first hand the success in Bountiful. There were volunteers from both SFW and MDF that with the help of the DWR got to be very effecient in processing the deer without causing much stress at all on the them. It's been a learning process for all involved. The deer captured in Bountiful were all trapped in highly populated urban areas. The deer were not returning to the foothills and were living year round in city limits. With the deer being in such a populated area it would be very difficult to have a archery hunt to allow hunting as a method to control the heard. There are costs in relocating deer, but with the help of sportsmen groups and volunteers they can be reduced. SFW has been helping fund the relocating efforts for the past two years. This year MDF stepped up and paid for a trailer to allow volunteers to transport the deer to their new locations. If I was smart enough to post a picture I would include some of the deer being transported in the MDF trailer being towed with the SFW truck. Myself and other SFW volunteers were able to meet some good guys involved with MDF. It's always fun to meet others who are passionate about wildlife, and are willing to get out and help find solutions to improve our herds.
 
Ok, gotcha ...I get what your saying having lived in Nsl and bountiful. But what about deer that are low populations/numbers, do they really need to be transplanted? They started trapping up here and some of these deer trapped are not city deer generally but are being trapped. I guess I see it different...if you want the deer herd better cut the tags.But then that would be lost revenue. Then relocate deer that actually need relocation. There a very few problems up here with deer. Its way different than say deer around bountiful blvd.
I guess something that continues to piss me off up this way is the ability to obtain tags for farmers that get multiple elk deer allotments to control "problem deer"...some of this is the biggest load of bull crap and a waste of our herds to continue to allow some of these to shoot deer at will and dig a hole with the backhoe and put the deer in and bury back up. Yet it happens. I have had offers from dwr to come plug deer at will on my father's property if I ever needed them too. Oh well this system is broke in so many ways it's stupid.

Rant over.... but what happened today was flat out wrong. That deer was bloody , couldn't pull it's own bloody tongue back in.
Whats the fawn mortality on the does they relocate? How many are aborted from stress. Oh well gives them a job and puts food on their table.

I glad the MDF got that new aluminium trailer, it's nice.sure as shet couldn't have save that money and picked up a used stock trailer to use and in return put that money saved back into the herd. Yet another broken moneymaker. My brother invest in MDF by the thousands. .I won't put another damn dime
 
I agree with you when it comes to depredation tags. I recognize they are necessary in some instances. I do think they are abused by many. I do not have the exact numbers with me but the last conversation I had with a Dwr employee she told me that of 73 collared does there had only been two mortalities. The cause would not be known until their collars were retrieved. I did notice that the bucks tended to be stressed far more than the does, they resisted a lot more. I also know that the person capturing the deer can do a lot to minimize the stress placed on the deer by using proper technique. It's a ongoing study, and again I applaud the DWR for there efforts.
As for the trailer MDF bought a new trailer that met the specifications required by the DWR. There was additional work done to the trailer to help keep the deer safe. That work was all donated. I donated the rubber matting for the floor of the trailer. I suppose they may have found a used trailer if they tried hard enough. I think a new trailer that will be used for many other species besides deer was a good investment. I'm not a MDF lover myself and was rather offended when Miles Moretti stood at the pulpit during the WHCE two weeks ago and took all of the credit for these transplants. He failed to mention that it was SFW volunteers who provided most of the man hours. Like I stated earlier I appreciate that they provided the trailer and that they helped us this year. The most important thing is that it looks to be a better alternative than depredation. I'm not sure what is taking place there in Logan with the deer being relocated, in Bountiful they were very careful not to set traps anywhere that the deer were not resident. FYI the deer from bountiful were relocated to two different spots, half to the Raft fiver range near Park valley and half to Big wash near Roosevelt.
 
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Milligun,

If you have no stomach for deer mortality you should step away from all conservation, herd management, and wildlife biology all together.

You are a little to emotionally attached to these animals.
 
Ok thanks. Tri.

No, not in the least attached. move on.

If you need a accounting of ill pm you details of animals and methods used.
(Guns, knifes, rope, flashlights etc.)
Just tired of the piss poor management..
Ill just get my dep tags this year and fill the freezer and bury the rest. "Sarcasm"
 
From the studies posted here and in other places, it doesn't seem transplanted mule deer do too swell in their new homes.

I can understand the issue with overpopulated areas, especially in city limits. But do the transplants actually help the herd at all? Have we seen transplanted deer actually build a herd in the new area? (That is not a rhetorical question...I'd like to know the answer.). Or do we just get warm fuzzies by removing them from town this way instead of some jack wagon slipping a silencer on a .22 or by hiring sharp shooters to get deer out of Ms. Daisy's prize pegonias?
 
The way I see it, the transplanted deer provide good feed for the resident coyote and lion populations thereby sparing some of the resident deer. This would raise the resident population by the same amount.
 
I don't know if it helps the relocated area, but it decimated the island numbers. I don't think you could count 100 does on the island in a week of glassing.

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All we need is bucks on the Island for the big $$$ boys to beat their chests and show who can out bid who and kill one of the many bucks on the island. We dont need does on the island. Duh!!!!
 
truthfully you probably don't need any more than 50 doe on that island at any given time. I know yall don't like hearing that but its the truth.
 
I think its worth it. Vehicle mortality is the leading cause of deer deaths in cache valley. There are far more deer killed by autos than hunting. Transplants have been fairly successful and the more they transplant the less are killed by vehicles, poachers, and the dwr.
 
The deer that are being moved are NOT HUNTABLE deer as they reside in places with a variety of restriction. You can't hunt these deer that are eating old lady Mayberry's bushes because she lives in the center of the city and the mountain is miles away. Even the deer that live along the foothills are NOT HUNTABLE because you can't gain access to the locations where they reside YEAR-ROUND.

If they were to remove 100 deer from bountiful and placed them in a location that is struggling for deer numbers how could that ever be seen as negative? They are removing deer from NON HUNTABLE locations and placing them where they can be hunted or I the case of does, produce more deer.


Even if only one deer were to survive, that one deer would make an impact on that area.

Unlike most cases... we are not robbing Peter to pay Paul here. We are managing our resources just like everyone has requested the DWR do.
 
B-b-b-b-b-b-b-but travis, a deer died, and others looked really scared, and I've heard it can kill unborn babies (deer).

Once a deer's hoof touches concrete somehow they have become citizens.
 
>B-b-b-b-b-b-b-but travis, a deer died, and
>others looked really scared, and
>I've heard it can kill
>unborn babies (deer).
>
>Once a deer's hoof touches concrete
>somehow they have become citizens.
>

Now Tristate.... I won't admit this outside of this thread.... but I agree with you! LOL and that was funny as sh*t!
 
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Many are huntable, they winter in foothills and neighborhoods and leave, yes many stay. I not opposed if done with some tact and in areas needed. Example: I'll try to get a pic of the above deer that has been on trail cam over 20 miles away..

Travis you can't tell me they are not huntable.Some yes, however this is not bountiful totally two different situations as far as deer go. But with that said,..hike, horse, and make a long range shot with my 338 edge 2109 yards and it's done.;)
I've hunted that crap from farmington to to the to the NSL towers/ watershed area. Foothills east and killed more than a few there over the yrs.

But anyhow tri-state you miss every point but yours. You get a hard on hearing yourself. Your a zealot. Jack Donkey.
And stop sending me pm's. I dont wish to be your broke back mt.buddy. (say it out loud!)"MilliGun doesn't want brokeback"......move on bud

Oh, ask MDF what happened to the deer in bountiful that they cut off the antlers that were thick and in velvet that had no nuts?
Just another mess.
 
I can tell you that. I can tell you all the deer living year round inside the city are not hunt able deer. Now if your idea of hunting is setting up your 338 and taking a buck on 400 n and Main Street then good for you.


You are mistaken if you think the deer were frivolously just plucked away from the mountain side. That sir, is misinformed armchairery.
 
False. Deer in cache valley town right now often summer at high elevations and rut all over the cache mountains. I have proof of several that winter downtown and return to wilderness areas, some 25+ miles away. If they were trapping deer in july, then maybe that would be the case. It makes me sick to think of some of the bucks that could potentially be trapped, I have videos of a very nice buck that I helped a friend try to get with a bow 20 miles east of logan, and he winters in the neighborhoods of logan. There was another 200" buck that shed his horns every year in town and was killed well over 8000' in elevation.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-12-15 AT 09:03PM (MST)[p]Travis...this reality check is for you...this deer was shot late archery along with others smaller and bigger on your foothills. So to say all is debatable. These deer could have easily been trapped due to locations. Oh well. Like also said bountiful and cache is different in my view .
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I've had enough of this horse sh&t! They just trapped this buck in north Logan that summered 20 miles away and wound up breaking his leg and killing him. This bull sh&t needs to stop!
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Trophymuley,

So if the state had trapped your beloved Hyde park buck and relocated it would you be as dissatisfied? After all you claim he never ever left the city limits.
 
To answer your question tristate. Yes I would have been equally as pissed. These people built on the bench these deer live/winter on. Learn to live with them or move somewhere else. It's a mere 3% of the population complaining about the deer. The majority of people like having them around. The wildlife belong to the state. Not north Logan city. I (and many others) see no difference between "city approved" transporting and killing of wildlife versus a poacher trapping and killing these deer. It's the same damn thing.
 
Trophy muley,

Thank you for answering the question. I just found it amusing how you twist things to suit your argument. When one deer dies being removed from a city you provide evidence that these deer travel miles and miles throughout a season and can be killed by lucky hunters. When the deer you worship is killed you argue that he never left city limits.

But in response to your post, if you believe these authorities are poachers turn them into the DWR. I believe you are too emotionally invested in your fuzzy friends as it has warped your judgement.
 
Tri, you are clearly clueless about wildlife in general, especially mule deer. The buck killed this week was hunted by a 16 year old friend of mine 20+ miles from north Logan. The top pic was taken by that kid during summer scouting. he came down onto the bench in december, and then down into the city late Jan-feb. One of the bucks he was grouped up with in the city was one that never leaves the city. You can see him in the same yards almost every single day of the year.
Not all wildlife are the same. The fact that they are trapping deer this time of year is especially frustrating to me. If an average guy trapped and killed this buck he'd be on the lynch for it, but the city doesn't care. If they want to remove the "city deer" it needs to be done once the migrators are gone in a couple months.
As sad as it would be to see them trap and relocate a buck like the Hyde park buck, it is far more justifiable in my book than to trap these migrating deer regardless of antler size or even a doe.
This buck was the widest buck I've ever been able to watch and pursue in the wild on this unit, while he wouldn't have "scored" the best, it is sad to see him go.
Quit sticking your neck out into business you obviously don't understand and go hunt your ranched animals.
 
Tristate Once again I could argue with yo until I'm blue in the face but I'll stick to my motto of "never argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience." I will not wrestle with the pig
 
Tmas,

Do you actually think I am stating city deer don't travel great distances?

Trophy muley have you ever come up with those winter rut pictures of the Hyde park buck? Seems like nobody has one.
 
I have video footage of him breeding a doe. Do I need to share it with you to prove a point? No sir. My conversation with you is over tristate. I will not wrestle with the pig.
 
Rrrrrrrrrrrrrriiight.


So you and you alone have film of him during the rut. But nobody else does. That's amazing.

All that dirt on you ain't from pig wrasslin' its from you standing in your own BS.
 
I didn't know this was happening till now. It's not right! Many of these deer aren't city deer! It's there winter range. Trapping shouldn't be done till summer, and even then I don't think we should be trapping them.
 
Maybe just maybe if these migratory bucks were not used to being illegally baited to city yards in hopes of them dropping their antlers on the bait site for you do gooders to pick up, they would be less likely to fall for the bait in the trap. I personally see a lot of hypocrites worried about these deer. I guess it is only wrong or illegal if you are not the one committing the act.
 
I hunt the cache unit, its a shame they are pulling this class of bucks off of there and transplanting them elsewhere.
 

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