Management buck?

Huntelk · May 30, 2016

LAST EDITED ON May-30-16 AT 08:23AM (MST)[p]I ran into this unique buck last November and couldn't decide if he was a management buck. I don't know if the little extras are an inch long. What do you guys think?

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DW · May 30, 2016

That kicker off his right side looks to be 6 or 8 inches long. I don't know the Utah parameters of a "management" buck but if it's no extras over an inch he doesn't make it.

dack77 · May 30, 2016

If this is for Utah where they require one side to be a 3 point or smaller, it'd be too risky for me to shoot. If you look at the 3 point side, the middle tine has that small point that possibly could make it over the 1" mark. My disclaimer here is that I am looking at the photos on my phone, which doesn't help much.

thehighdesert · May 30, 2016

I uploaded, enlarged and sharpened all the pics. The second pic of the buck-showing the side view- clearly exposes a small cheater on the 3pt antler side g3 that will exceed 1" in length. This is what edwardsc was talking about in another thread regarding the management hunt on the henry's. It is so critical to use the best optics you can and be 100% sure before pulling that trigger. At least on the Henry's management hunt. Buck's like this one have been harvested and confiscated after being looked at by officer's. Definitely not something anyone want's to have happen.

So to answer Huntelk's question...Nope this is not a managment deer on the Henry's in Utah.

hogg_65 · May 30, 2016

LAST EDITED ON May-30-16 AT 12:01PM (MST)[p]He should be a management buck. Id call the C.O. 2 get an answer on him. If this is a Henry's deer, i bet the C.O. would come clarify. Hes a good guy.

thehighdesert · May 30, 2016

That's a great suggestion hogg and depends on which officer you talk with. There is more than one on that unit during the hunt. I've visited with as many as 6 different officer's during a 2-3 day period and a couple of them are incredibly uptight. Seems like every year there are more officer's down there "observing" than hunter's and their groups. I think that's a great suggestion and it would be something if you got the go ahead and could harvest that buck.

dillon · May 30, 2016

It is hard to tell if the one point is longer than one inch on the three side. When they say 1" they mean 1". All harvested management bucks have to be checked in with UDWR and they measure every point to make sure it is a management buck.

slamdunk · May 30, 2016

Definitely a management buck in utah.
All he needs is 3 points or less on one side of his main frame. Extra non typical points are fine.

thehighdesert · May 30, 2016

"Extra non-typical points are fine"?? That one will get ya in trouble. Page 18 of the Utah BigGame Field Regulations says this regarding Management buck hunts:

A ?management buck? is a buck deer with
3 points or less on at least one antler, above
and including the first fork, but not including
the eye guard. The eye guard does not count
as a point. A point is a projection that's longer
than one inch, measured from its base to its
tip, including damaged or broken antlers.

Extra points do count in Utah. Don't forget to read the fine print.

Be careful!

Shadow · May 30, 2016

That's a close call on the length of that point. I think the buck meets the true intent of management buck hunt because he should be culled from the pool. To me, that's a letter of the law vs intent of the law question. That's the type of buck I'll be looking at real close come November.

tx_packmule · May 30, 2016

Even if it were legal, in the spirit of the mgmt hunt it would have that asterisk *we prefer you do not harvest this type of buck.

slamdunk · May 30, 2016

>"Extra non-typical points are fine"?? That
>one will get ya in
>trouble. Page 18 of the
>Utah BigGame Field Regulations says
>this regarding Management buck hunts:
>
>
>A ?management buck? is a buck
>deer with
>3 points or less on at
>least one antler, above
>and including the first fork, but
>not including
>the eye guard. The eye guard
>does not count
>as a point. A point is
>a projection that's longer
>than one inch, measured from its
>base to its
>tip, including damaged or broken antlers.
>
>
>Extra points do count in Utah.
>Don't forget to read the
>fine print.
>
>Be careful!

I stand corrected.....
I had this confused with rules on a few CWMU properties where they only look at main frame points, not non typical points.

mntman · May 30, 2016

That little sticker is close! That point is between 7/8" - 1 1/8" long.
A great experience/hunt could turn into a crappy one real fast if that point is a 1/8" too long.

Mntman

"Hunting is where you prove yourself"

Vanilla · May 31, 2016

Way too close of a call to risk it. I wouldn't shoot that buck. Management hunts would be frustrating for this reason.

BrowningRage · May 31, 2016

Unless you got the perfect angle, you might never even see that little "protrusion" off his left G3...

If I had the management tag, I'm afraid I'd be lookin at him for about 10 seconds, pull the trigger, and then walk up on him and say, "wow, he's got a 15/16" kicker right there..."

If it went over an inch, I'd be very disappointed, but something that little sure is nit-picky. It's barely visible. Anything keepin someone from just "bustin it off" if they found it was an inch..??

"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24

hogg_65 · May 31, 2016

The C.O.s, should let this guy be a management buck. Then the hunters taxidermist can fix his eye.

Deerlove · May 31, 2016

Get Bess to borrow his sawzall.

mntman · May 31, 2016

Anything
>keepin someone from just "bustin
>it off" if they found
>it was an inch..??
>
>"Therefore, wo be unto him that
>is at ease in Zion!"
>2 Ne. 28: 24

Not saying this is the right answer but I'm sure that has happened. If I didn't see that sticker till after I walked up and then seen it. I'd be very tempted to get a rock to break it off.
Mntman

"Hunting is where you prove yourself"

Stubaby · Jun 2, 2016

LAST EDITED ON Jun-02-16 AT 10:51AM (MST)[p]Regardless of what the written rule says, that's a mgmt buck. That deer is exactly what the mgmt program is made for.....get rid of the "inferior" deer that the guys who draw the regular tag most likely won't shoot.

If there are that many wardens down there, then why don't they make a "hit list" of deer on the mountain that would qualify based on their perception and not just the written rule?

Whether that kicker is 7/8" or 1 1/4" doesn't make it a buck that would be shot by the guy who's waited 20+ years to hunt there. Not only that, whatever is going on in that eye socket will probably get that deer sooner than later anyway.

Just have the wardens make a case by case basis decision on deer that are that close to the line so a person with the mgmt tag can harvest a deer like that.

Heck, pass out flyers with pictures of bucks deemed to qualify and if they are found then the hunter will know it's ok to put the hammer down and not be worried that a hidden kicker will cause a memorable hunt to be sour grapes.

It's not like it's Alaska, and if there are that many wardens hanging around anyway.....let the hunter bring pictures to the fish cop and get approval.

Judas.

"That's a special feeling, Lloyd"

nripepi · Jun 2, 2016

The extra on the 4 point side looks to be bigger than an inch, but it is impossible to tell on the small point on the 3 point side, from these photos it looks less than an inch to me. I would shoot that buck on a Mgmt tag. Are you all looking at the correct kicker? Not the one in the bottom picture, but the one in the top photo on the 3 point side?

Chacoblue777 · Jun 2, 2016

I agree with Stubaby, that this buck is a good example of the type of deer the management program is intended to cull. It should be considered a management buck, but as the current rules are written, I wouldn't dare take the chance and shoot him. I would think most CO's would be rational, but would not count on it, and the risk outweighs the possible success in harvesting that buck IMO

txhunter58 · Jun 2, 2016

LAST EDITED ON Jun-03-16 AT 05:54AM (MST)[p]Definitely a management buck. That kicker is only 1.0000 inches long. Since it is not "over" 1"..........

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)

BrowningRage · Jun 3, 2016

Just saw your video (I'm guessing your video) posted over on YouTube with a bunch of great bucks in it. As I watched that video I found myself thinking, if I had the tag, "I'd be out with my scope on him and probably shooting because you can't even see the little sticker point".

I'm afraid I'd have shot this buck without ever even seeing that little sticker point on his G3.

"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24