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First off, not my pic, seen it on FB.
ANyway some of the people say it scores only 180 and a couple others would simply pass him up...

I call BS, I am not good at scoring deer over 180 cause I just don't see enough. However, I'd put this buck at 192-195. Wouldn't surprise me if he was even bigger and no I wouldn't pass him up. :D

You agree and would you pass him up?
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Mntman

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I'd probably figure him grossing in the upper 180's at least, very close to 190 if not. Good beams and a 3" extra. I've killed a few that I've underestimated and few over, so ....... ????
He would impress me anywhere I hunt.

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Great buck,I can see him make 190. That photo is awesome. Would like to have that in a frame on that wall. Probably be the only way I'll get a 190" buck on the wall. What's FB?
 
I consider myself a hardcore Big Buck hunter. I have a 198 typ. a 220 non typ and several in the upper 180's.That said I dont think I could pass that Buck. He looks to be in his winter coat And a solid healthy body, Still those antlers look high and wide.The tine length and base mass all look good. The extra kicker may deduct him out of the 190 net but maybe not. I would have to know there were bigger bucks in the area to pass this one.
 
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Pretty buck with a great look. I wouldn't pass him on a general hunt in any state. That said, the cheater MIGHT put him over 190. IMO

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LAST EDITED ON Jun-04-16 AT 09:54PM (MST)[p]I think he's right around 190". No passing going on here...
 
I also would not pass on that buck on any general season. I'd put that buck closer to 190" than 180.


There's always next year
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-04-16 AT 10:19PM (MST)[p]I would put that buck in low to mid 190's and the gun would roar. My buck last year has a 201" MF and 28"+ of extras. And this bucks MF is definitely in the 190's
 
I put him near 190. He would look huge at 40 yards. My heart would have to be set on a different buck to even consider passing.
 
I say 196 on his frame, and 3 inch cheaters off both sides puts him over 200 in my book. That guy has a tank of a body and a big ol head/neck he is a toad in my book all the way around.


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Beautiful photo! His frame is right close to 190. Not the deepest forks, but not bad and he has everything else covered.
 
No chance that I would be passing that buck. I'de guess he grosses between 189-194. If his body size is bigger than I think, he'd be a few inches larger. Beautiful picture btw.
 
A great looking buck somewhere between 190 and 200. That cheater is just a bonus. I would not pass him up.

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LAST EDITED ON Jun-05-16 AT 01:57PM (MST)[p]He is around 190+ no way is this deer less than 185. And anyone passing on him with a tag that's not a highly coveted tag is an idiot. But that's fine cause I would shoot that deer all day long. what a great buck.
 
I'm having a hard time distinguishing how long those eye guards are with them blending into the background. If they are a couple inches each I think he goes in upper 90's or if they don't score in the low 90's? Either way I'm not passing this buck!
 
The old saying goes "Big bucks look big." That buck looks big. I wouldn't get too hung up on score. He's a definite shooter. I've never hunted the Henries or the strip, and he'd be a no-brainer shooter anywhere I have ever hunted.
 
>That deer scores about a 8.94
>out of 10 on my
>holy crap-0-meter . 1st day
>shooter for me
lol :D

Mntman

"Hunting is where you prove yourself"
 
I'm shooting this buck opening morning on most any unit I hunt. I'm thinking he's closer to 200 than 190 but wouldn't let numbers keep me from punching my tag.
 
That buck looks good, I would drop him any unit but the Henrys or San Juan opening morning. The reason I would hold off on the latter two is because if I draw a OIL deer hunt I am going to at least hunt a couple days.

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Man, I think most of you are under judging this buck, His beams are scary long, great mass, long g2's and forks that are better than they look. plus most of you have missed the matching cheater on the other side. This buck is 200 all day long.


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I really really hope I see a buck like that on my 3rd season hunt in CO this year!! That buck is a no brainer. Tall, nice forks and mass with a bonus!! Kickers!!!! Opening morning, 8 -am, I'm drinking beer,camping and cooking for the next 4 days
 
The first time i looked at this buck when it first came up i thought it a 200" buck. Maybe a little more or a bit less but i think he'd gross 200" and would be most peoples buck of a lifetime.

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Funny how folks lowball stuff on the internet. I'm guessing that would be around 200 gross, and there isn't a person on this site who would be doing math, they'd be trying to shoot. Great buck with mass and a superb frame.
 
I hope I see such a buck this season in the Book Cliffs. He'd be Dead On Sight..!! Anytime a buck's rack makes his body look little, and you know that he's a mature body... That's a big, big buck.

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LAST EDITED ON Jun-06-16 AT 12:38PM (MST)[p]After looking at him blown up a little and comparing him to my buck last year I would say his def 200" deer I'd put him around 205-210" But the real score would be Hunter 1. Buck 0. Haha!!
 
I didn't catch that cheater on his right side. I'd say he's in the 190's for sure. He's big.

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If I see a buck like this on the Paunsagunt this October, there will be an empty 338 lapua case lying in the dirt ?




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Easy 200+. Awesome mass, long mains, tall, good forks and a couple 3 inch cheaters on a big ol rutted buck. 200 all day and closer to 210 in my opinion.
 
Really short G3's and G4's. Almost no eye gaurds, but the kickers make up for that. Great mains and good width. Still don't see him breaking 190. Maybe you all forgot what a 190-200 buck really looks like. With that said, I'd have a real hard time passing him up. I've taken one almost identical, but slightly smaller frame. Scored 173.
 
I've never shot anything that big, so I would be shooting, given I am not hunting on the Henries. Beautiful pic, though difficult to see the details to give a very accurate score.
 
Nope I haven't forgot what 190-200" buck looks like just got one last year his mainframe went little over 201" and had almost 29" of extras. He had no eye guards at all. This buck is def close to that in mainframe!!
 
>Really short G3's and G4's.
>Almost no eye gaurds, but
>the kickers make up for
>that. Great mains and
>good width. Still don't
>see him breaking 190.
>Maybe you all forgot what
>a 190-200 buck really looks
>like. With that said,
>I'd have a real hard
>time passing him up.
>I've taken one almost identical,
>but slightly smaller frame.
>Scored 173.

Have a couple 190 main frames on my wall and if I killed the buck in question, I would have to hang him in a different room to not put the others to shame! Now that I've seen the better expanded pic I will still stick with my gut and say he's closer to 210 than 190.
 
I agree closer to 210 gross. I've 4 190s in the house, not that it changes the math totals of that huge buck and his tiny (10-11) 3s and 4s. Addition is not rocket science. I love the " I'd maybe shoot him on a general unit" comments. That's a giant typical.
 
I missed the matching cheater on this buck. And the zoomed picture does give a perspective where he seems bigger.

Some of you guys that have "multiple 190s" to your credit are lucky SOBs! So many of us will never even see a 190 inch deer on the hoof, let alone harvest one (or more).

I think with the matching cheaters he's going to be right around 200 inches. A truly incredible buck whether he scores 188, 195, or 210. That is a buck of my dreams. Regardless of his score, I would not pass him on any unit, anywhere, unless I was specifically chasing something much bigger at the time I saw him. (not likely)
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-09-16 AT 03:04PM (MST)[p]>I agree closer to 210 gross.
>I've 4 190s in the
>house, not that it changes
>the math totals of that
>huge buck and his tiny
>(10-11) 3s and 4s. Addition
>is not rocket science. I
>love the " I'd maybe
>shoot him on a general
>unit" comments. That's a
>giant typical.

The average mature muley stretches ear tip to ear tip between 20 and 22 inches. This includes 5 inches for the skull. This buck's ear length doesn't look terribly long, but let's say he has the greater length of 22 inches. That is 17 inches of ears, and 8.5 inches for one, if he's lucky. If you compare his ear length to those g3's and g4's, his ear is slightly longer. That puts his g3?s and g4?s less than 8.5 inches long. Addition is not rocket science!!! 210?, don't make me fall off my chair laughing. Put the score together using his ear, and he's a 180?s buck.
 
I've yet to kill a mature muley with under 22 inch ears. My buck this year had 26 inch ears. Even with your estimate, I don't see where you're getting 180s? Being conservative, I have him dead on 200 and I think he has better mass and inside spread than I'm giving him credit for.

I wish someone had a pic of this buck in velvet with a scrawny neck and face. I think a lot of the low ballers would change their score quick.
 
First of all that is a good looking Buck. Most important thing he is mature at least 5 or 6 years old. Here is what I came up with for score. Main beams-25&26=51, G1-2&2=4, G2- 17&18=35, G3-8&8=16, G4-10&9=19,Mass-35 with 5.5 bases, Inside spread-25, =185, + 6 extra =191, Without seeing his head rotate it is difficult for me to give a much better guess than that. And I am not for sure about that other cheater. But I'll give it to him. And I could and have passed Bucks like him. Mostly because I just don't need or want to kill them anymore.
 
I agree, maybe 37 on mass, maybe not. Maybe 27 on tge beams. I think his frame is right under 190, just doesn't have deep enough forks. He is a beautiful buck and the only way I would pass him I'd if I had seen one bigger!
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-10-16 AT 07:06AM (MST)[p]Super cool buck and picture is even cooler. I would go 187 gross on the frame . If i was forced to pick on him, he has somewhat weak front forks, g3s a little weak, and g2s in the 17 inch range. 25 on the main beams. With little to no eyeguards that's around 187 in my mind plus the trash. I would put him at 192 out the door. Any really quality tag early in the hunt, pass, even if i hadn't found anything bigger. The gambles what it's all about for me.
 
I see him as a 205 class buck, Like they say Big just look Big and he sure looks big.
I gotten a few good deer and He is a lot bigger then they are.

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Looking at the first picture, you can see how big the rack is compared to the whole body. I agree the buck is 5-6 years old at least, has a big neck and the rack still looks big. I would guess his ears to be 24 inches instead of 22 inches. Total gross score closer to 205 than 190 IMO. He doesn't have great forks, but could have 27-28 inch beams if his ears are 24 inches. A great eye appeal buck. Score is over rated IMO. That is a shooter buck.
 
I can't get higher than about 193-195 gross. Broke him down a couple times. He is a great buck and a shooter in my world!
 
I would shoot him for sure. However, his eyeguards seem short, forks are not super deep. Not way heavy. I would say mf of 185 cheater puts him close to 190.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-12-16 AT 11:36AM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Jun-12-16 AT 11:35?AM (MST)

LOL, some of you crack me up. you all just go ahead and let that 200+ typical walk, and for all of you that would still shoot him your going to be pleasantly surprised.

Here are my numbers
mb-27
g1-2
g2-17
g3-9
g4-10
m-20
total=85
85x2=170
170+26spread=196
196+6extras=202

And I could see an extra 3" a side I was just being conservative. I could see him making 208 easy.

Another LOL, that this buck only had 22" ear width. That guys is a pig headed SOB if I ever saw one.

He has a 29-30 inch frame and 31-33 inch outside width.

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>LAST EDITED ON Jun-12-16
>AT 11:36?AM (MST)
>
>LAST EDITED ON Jun-12-16
>AT 11:35?AM (MST)
>
>LOL, some of you crack me
>up. you all just
>go ahead and let that
>200+ typical walk, and
>for all of you that
>would still shoot him your
>going to be pleasantly surprised.
>
>
>Here are my numbers
>mb-27
>g1-2
>g2-17
>g3-9
>g4-10
>m-20
>total=85
>85x2=170
>170+26spread=196
>196+6extras=202
>
>And I could see an extra
>3" a side I was
>just being conservative. I could
>see him making 208 easy.
>
>
>Another LOL, that this buck only
>had 22" ear width.
>That guys is a pig
>headed SOB if I ever
>saw one.
>
>He has a 29-30 inch frame
>and 31-33 inch outside width.
>
>
>Jake H. BIG BONE HUNTING
>Page on Facebook.
>
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I'm glad someone came up with the same as me! I was starting to think during the offseason I forgot how to score a buck or even what a 200" buck looks like!
 
Aaaaah, the old ears debate. I learned to never trust the ears. I followed that old well-known standard of 22 inches and almost let a 34 inch wide buck walk as I tried to convince myself he wasn't as wide as he looked based upon his ears.

He's now on my wall, and has the biggest head I've ever seen on a mule deer. Don't trust the ears!
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-14-16 AT 10:46AM (MST)[p]>Aaaaah, the old ears debate. I
>learned to never trust the
>ears. I followed that old
>well-known standard of 22 inches
>and almost let a 34
>inch wide buck walk as
>I tried to convince myself
>he wasn't as wide as
>he looked based upon his
>ears.
>
>He's now on my wall, and
>has the biggest head I've
>ever seen on a mule
>deer. Don't trust the ears!
>


Yeah, there are always exceptions to a rule, but that's a well known and respected method. Pretty much the only one out there that works. Better than eyeball estimates. Especially trying to judge a zoomed in pic. Gain some perspective people! I'm telling you the G3's and G4's are short.

Mains - 27 and I'm being generous
G1?s - 1
G2?s - 16
G3?s 8
G4?s 8
Extras ? 3 each
Inside spread ? 27 if he's lucky
Mass ? Total of 35, and that's probably pushing it.
188.
 
Another possibility
17.5 G2
10 G3
9 G4
27 Beam
1.5 G1
4 Cheater

69 inches

69x2=138
Mass 38 (5.5+5.5+4+4=38)
Equals 176
Inside 26
Total 202

We are all guessing. No one know for certain. Compared the stolen Idaho buck with this buck. We know the Idaho buck scored over 200 according to owner?
 
My guess, averaging side to side for a gross score, even though he's pretty balanced: 28 beam, 1", 18.5", 11", 10", 18" mass, 3" extra on each side, 27" inside. I think he's a legit all-time B&C typical.
 
If that's a 185, I'd grind up his rack and eat it after I shot him.

Mntman

"Hunting is where you prove yourself"
 
Not real good at scoring deer on the hoof, especially mule deer. I'll just say if I see a deer like that I hope I can the shot off BEFORE they have to call Lifeflight.
 
That buck is big and beautiful for sure. He is mature and in his prime. Most guys will never get a buck like that. I scored the buck at what I could see for sure. I am pretty sure I wouldn't miss judge a clean typical by 15 inches. Like I said earlier, I would need to see a side view and a few head rotations to decide for sure. I gave his g3's 8 inches, but if you look close at his left g3 it might not make 7 inches. It looks more like an inline. I am sure he doesn't have 40 inches of mass. I have some that do. To break 200 he would need 19 or 20 inch g2's and 10 inch g3's & g4's. I don't think he has that. His main beams are very strong. I considered giving him 27 & 28 but need a side view. There you have my explanation of my score. It would be cool if he did score 210. But then I would be wrong!
 

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