Wy poaching

hornkiller

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Nate strong is guilty of the poaching! He will loose his hunting rights for 7 years and pay a little over 9k in fines. Glad the idiot was found guilty!
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Pretty much a slap on the hand if you ask me.... I think they need to increase the fine, jail time, and suspension. Maybe $300 per inch. That will make people think twice before poaching... maybe.


Here is one article
http://sweetwaternow.com/breaking-guilty-verdict-nate-strong-poaching-case/


I don't think there is any other quality
so essential to success of any kind as the
quality of perseverance. It overcomes
almost everything, even nature.
-John D. Rockefeller
 
>Pretty much a slap on the
>hand if you ask me....
>I think they need to
>increase the fine, jail time,
>and suspension. Maybe $300
>per inch. That will
>make people think twice before
>poaching... maybe.
>
>
>Here is one article
>http://sweetwaternow.com/breaking-guilty-verdict-nate-strong-poaching-case/
>
>
>I don't think there is any
>other quality
>so essential to success of any
>kind as the
>quality of perseverance. It overcomes
>
>almost everything, even nature.
>-John D. Rockefeller

Jail is not the answer.
When you put a person in jail, tax payers fund his food, heating, water housing etc... Instead, he should receive a couple thousand hours of volunteer time. Forces him to pay for his own bills but yet with so many hours he has little to no time for any personal hobbies. Also, if he is forced to volunteer for things like habitat restoration, cleaning up shooting ranges and other hunting related things, we all benefit...
Fines, loss of hunting/fishing... yes. Jail, hell no we already fund enough lazy POS's in there.

Mntman

"Hunting is where you prove yourself"
 
And I still favor loss of property used in conjunction with the crime. A pickup, rifle, maybe binoculars, spotting scope. All of those things.
 
I suppose there are lots of ways to look at the punishment and none of them are too harsh, IMHO.

The problem I see with light punishment is this:
There are guys out there (with low morals) who have lots of money and are willing to pay huge sums for a giant deer. Poaching one can be free with a "chance" of being caught and even then they'd only paying a fraction of the price they would have paid for a "legitimate" hunt elsewhere!

It's less the "punishment" and more about sending the wrong message to some of the unscrupulous folks out there!

Zeke
 
Through all this, Strong is still sticking by his hybrid story. That's what's wrong with much of our society today; many won't take responsibility for their actions. This guy is no different. How a person handles a screwup, most likely tells you more about them than the dirty deed they did.

Congrats to Nate Strong for showing everyone his complete lack of integrity. How those in his community supporting him do it is a mystery to me. He has them fooled but good.
 
9k and no hunting for 7 years is a slap on the wrist?

You guys must live some charmed lives. 9k out of my life would seriously f-up my life. There's been a lot of marriages wrecked for a lot less than 9k. I am not saying this dude got treated too harshly but some of yall need a reality check.

It is interesting to see the public actually treat the poachers just as the king does.
 
Just another "support poachers" post from tristate. It's his own dam fault he is paying the fine tristate! You think poaching should cost less? He and every other poacher should think about how bad it could mess there life's up before they pull the trigger! Personally I hope it haunts him for life.
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Hornkiller,

change your cotex and read. This isn't a support the poachers post. ITS A SUPPORT THE JUSTICE SYSTEM POST. At no point did I say this guy needs less punishment. But to say he got off with a "slap on the wrist" quite frankly is stupid.

By the way for all you guys who want blood it may not be over yet.
 
TRI-

9K is and loss of 7 years is pretty small for the caliber of deer poached. But then again it's much more justice then shooting a sheep with an outfitter in a closed unit on second hand information from the F&G office out of the bottom of the state and walking away scotch free.
 
I'm going to have to agree with Tri. I'm not saying it was too harsh or I don't think he should have got more either.
But 9k would hurt and 7 years of not hunting my home state would kill me! Plus I'm sure there's a lot of shaming as everyone in his community knows the details of his highly publicized case.
I've seen guys get a lot less for just as bad and I'm sure his punishment would make just about anyone never think of trying that again.
 
Hey the douche bag bag deserves the punishment without question. How many trophy bucks are killed by poachers every year. Harsher penalties will hopefully make people think itwice before pulling the trigger. How in the hell do you feel for a guy that blatantly broke the law.
 
I've spent 20 years and we'll over 9k trying to kill a buck like he poached. Ya i could go poach one like that come dec/jan! But i would rather try another 20 years abiding by the law. I dont get where you guys say 9k and 7 years is enough. Make it mandatory if you get busted poaching any trophy animal 20k and 15 years no hunting! I bet you see half as much poaching. He got off with a slap on the wrist!
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No community service.JAIL! Let him not eat homecooked meals, not enjoy thanksgiving or xmas, not love on mamma for a while. This dude didnt just poach it, he mounted it, and drove it to utah to show off. Hes a blatant poacher. As for loss of hunting privledges, didnt he already prove he doesnt follow game laws, not sure thats a big punishment to these guys, it is to average guys, but poachers dont care. $9k is too much? Get a drunk driving ticket. Utah runs adds telling you it will cost you over $10k.
Tri, there are marriages broken all the time. Same as with all the other poachers you defend. No one made them pull the trigger, but in doing so THE POACHER decided killing something was more important than anything they could loose. The justice system just obliged them.(unless you can scratch a big check, then shoot whatever u want, wherever you want and dwr will cover).




"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
I agree with you Mntman. Jail time is not the solution. Service hours would offer more benefit to the community/habitat; although, sometimes the perpetrator spends more time searching and creating loop holes or other methods to avoid or diminish the service hours then completing them.

I do believe the fine was rock bottom along with his sentencing. I am willing to bet the vehicle he loaded the deer into + taxidermy fee, cost more than his total fines and restitution fee. Recently, I received an email from "Just for Hunting" advertising mule deer hunts along with their accompanying trophy fee per class range. A mule deer tag for a 230" buck would cost $4,000 + $12,500 trophy fee + the tip, airfare and other expenses. On the other hand we have auction tags being sold well over the $100,000 mark. These may not be fair comparisons but it places somewhat of a dollar sign on that caliber of buck. In addition, the buck poached was taken away from the public for arrogant, selfish reasons with a pathetic excuse which really cannot be put into a dollar figure.

Truthfully, no punishment might change the mind of someone willing to poach but I do feel something needs to change whether it's $$, service hours, suspensions, etc... I think it's time to write some letters to the ones influencing those decisions.

Just my .02
I know I am preaching to the choir....
 
>I do believe the fine was
>rock bottom along with his
>sentencing. I am
>willing to bet the vehicle
>he loaded the deer into
> + taxidermy fee, cost
>more than his total fines
>and restitution fee. Recently,
>I received an email from
>"Just for Hunting" advertising mule
>deer hunts along with their
>accompanying trophy fee per class
>range. A mule deer
>tag for a 230" buck
>would cost $4,000 + $12,500
>trophy fee + the tip,
>airfare and other expenses.
>On the other hand we
>have auction tags being sold
>well over the $100,000 mark.
>These may not be fair
>comparisons but it places somewhat
>of a dollar sign on
>that caliber of buck.
>In addition, the buck poached
>was taken away from the
>public for arrogant, selfish reasons
>with a pathetic excuse which
>really cannot be put into
>a dollar figure.
>
>Truthfully, no punishment might change the
>mind of someone willing to
>poach but I do feel
>something needs to change whether
>it's $$, service hours, suspensions,
>etc... I think it's
>time to write some letters
>to the ones influencing those
>decisions.
>

+1
That's exactly what I was trying to say!
Go book a real top-end trophy hunt where there's a reasonable chance to kill a 200"+ buck and the dollar figure is way more than he paid!
I think the 7 years of no hunting will hurt and I suspect this guy will not be hunting, knowing a little about his back-story.
Yep, it's about the minimum punishment but it's not a freebe either. I tip my hat to Wyoming!
Zeke
 
My wife and I just got back from a little ride through the old bucks former home. And we did not see a Buck that even came close to taking his place. I also think this guy got off easy. None of us know how he fills inside. If he is truly regretful, ashamed and humiliated I feel better about it. But if he truly doesn't feel any of those things, then he got off way to easy.
 
I think we need a poster child. Let would bes know they will be in stripes. Let them know it will cost them their job. If killing it, mounting it, and expoing it doesnt make him prime poster category, no one will. We have to stop the "its just a....", and start realizing how much these amimals are worth. Pretty sure horse theiving was death sentence at one time, no tri, not calling for death sentence, but folks realized what a horse was worth, it wasnt just a hooved mammal.


"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
>I've spent 20 years and we'll
>over 9k trying to kill
>a buck like he poached.
>Ya i could go poach
>one like that come dec/jan!
>But i would rather try
>another 20 years abiding by
>the law. I dont get
>where you guys say 9k
>and 7 years is enough.
>Make it mandatory if you
>get busted poaching any trophy
>animal 20k and 15 years
>no hunting! I bet you
>see half as much poaching.
>He got off with a
>slap on the wrist!
>
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So only trophy animals lives matter huh? But to hell with all the does and cows right? Your argument is now invalid if you only care about the "trophy"
 
Hossblur,

When horse theft was a capitol offense a person's life was very often dependant on having a horse. This isn't remotely similar. Not one little bit. Y'all talk about how much this deer is worth but you aren't willing to make this deer actually worth that much. You want your states to start prosecuting poachers for more then YOU QUIT PAYING DEFLATED TAG PRICES. If the state is making 3k a tag instead of $300 per tag suddenly they notice when poachers hit them.

Now here come the people who want something for nothing plus think that they are owners of the King's deer.
 
Ask your fish a game the penalty for poaching a trophy animal then ask them the penalty for poaching a female animal! I don't make the laws bud they are the ones that determine the penaltys!
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>Hossblur,
>
>When horse theft was a capitol
>offense a person's life was
>very often dependant on having
>a horse. This isn't
>remotely similar. Not one
>little bit. Y'all talk
>about how much this deer
>is worth but you aren't
>willing to make this deer
>actually worth that much.
>You want your states to
>start prosecuting poachers for more
>then YOU QUIT PAYING DEFLATED
>TAG PRICES. If the
>state is making 3k a
>tag instead of $300 per
>tag suddenly they notice when
>poachers hit them.
>
>Now here come the people who
>want something for nothing plus
>think that they are owners
>of the King's deer.

So when someone steals your truck, or robs your shop, are you worried about ruining a life? Is there ever a poacher you dont defend? Jezus, even when the poacher, pleads guilty, your still defending? I know, it was a mistake. Tell us about you getting pinched for poaching. I think you protest to much


"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
Hossblur,

There is no defense of the poacher here. I can perfectly well accept that the court delivered justice. But the fact is getting rid of the king and the king's deer has only created a million little kings that think a deer's life is worth more than a family.
 
>Hossblur,
>
>There is no defense of the
>poacher here. I can
>perfectly well accept that the
>court delivered justice. But
>the fact is getting rid
>of the king and the
>king's deer has only created
>a million little kings that
>think a deer's life is
>worth more than a family.
>


He pulled the trigger, he decided that. If he dont care, why should society?

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
>
>He pulled the trigger, he decided
>that. If he dont
>care, why should society?
>

If you want to be self-righteous you better act better than the people you look down on.
 
Great thing about this country, your free to make choices. Free to make bad choices. However, choices have consequences. He made a choice to put that "fame" ahead of little league sports, ahead of x mas parties, ahead of hunting with your kids. Like i said, he made a choice, a bad one, then follwed it by choosing to make himself "famous". Like i said he chose to break the law, i didnt make him, you didnt make him, now he can face consequences.


"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
Duh.... I know he is facing the consequences. I am only jawing about the zealots who forgot what eye for an eye is really about, and responding to a person who thinks one does bad so we should do worse to him and anyone who lives in his home.

One day you will see the kids you crap on will be the nightmares your kids will have to deal with later.
 

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