Cactus buck?

I'd Guess it'll have to be Full Velvet to be Legal!









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50 percent of the antlers have to be in velvet. Bring your glue and fake velvet. Are there enough of these bucks around to make this a decent hunt?
 
Cool idea for a hunt if there are enough bucks around to make it worth it.

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It is interesting the trophy crowd wants "trophy" deer, but when the DWR tries to cut out bad genetic lines those same guys complain.

"Trophy" deer aren't an accident.

Bit I like ugly, junkie horns so I am for it


"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
I would call it a Paunsaugunt meat buck hunt. Over the last 30 years there have been a handful of impressive Pauns cactus bucks killed. I would say 99 percent of the cactus bucks out there are far less than impressive. I guess if unique makes them a trophy it could be considered a trophy hunt.
 
>I would call it a Paunsaugunt
>meat buck hunt. Over the
>last 30 years there have
>been a handful of impressive
>Pauns cactus bucks killed. I
>would say 99 percent of
>the cactus bucks out there
>are far less than impressive.
>I guess if unique makes
>them a trophy it could
>be considered a trophy hunt.
>

I Agree!

I See a CACTI Buck once in a great while!

But one that's Impressive?

Not so Often!
 
Great hunt for the Pauns and I saw an awesome 25" massive cactus buck down there a month ago he looked like a buck when he was first growing with a bumps all over and baseball bat mass. It should help the herd out tremendously. I think the DNR is doing the best they can trying to knock the point creep down but western big game is at such a huge demand. Tags are hard to come by and success just keeps getting better.

"We don't have a gun problem we have prescription drug problem."
 
Real cactus bucks are usually sterile. How would this be a management hunt or remove bad genes from the pool?
 
>Real cactus bucks are usually sterile.
>How would this be a
>management hunt or remove bad
>genes from the pool?

You're Gettin Technical there NVB!:D
 
So i know nothing about this area. I wont if i never get a pauns tag. It says its in the pauns unit. Why would it be tough to get a buck mid nov? Is it a different part of the pauns unit?
 
>So i know nothing about this
>area. I wont if i
>never get a pauns tag.
>It says its in the
>pauns unit. Why would it
>be tough to get a
>buck mid nov? Is it
>a different part of the
>pauns unit?

Because You'll have to cross the State Line to see any of them!










It Won't Be Long and a 22" PISSCUTTER will be known as a Trophy that will be put on the Wall!




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>Real cactus bucks are usually sterile.
>How would this be a
>management hunt or remove bad
>genes from the pool?


Their claim is those deer are taking up space in the landscape where a more beneficial deer could take it's place. It's a wasted deer that they want to cull from the herd. It doesn't have so much to do with genetics as it does habitat carrying capacity
 
"Their claim is those deer are taking up space in the landscape where a more beneficial deer could take it's place. It's a wasted deer that they want to cull from the herd. It doesn't have so much to do with genetics as it does habitat carrying capacity"

These buck (or any buck with velvet) are nonbreeders, so the above statement pretty much says it all. just another mouth to feed that can't contribute anything to the herd. When bucks stop producing testosterone in the spring, that initiates the antlers to drop and new ones to start growing. During this time their testicles shrivel up and even if there are a few sperm still running around in there, they have no desire to breed due to lack of testosterone.

A cactus buck is stuck in that phase (small tesicicles, no testerone) so they won't breed does. I am sure there is an exception to every rule, but 99+ out of 100 cactus bucks won't breed so why not let someone shoot them.

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
>Hey tx!
>
>Nobody said you couldn't shoot them
>before!:D
>
>

+1

The skeptic in me says the "one more mouth to feed" idea is questionable. Are they gonna issue tags for "blue does" that no longer produce? Is forage that critical on the Pauns? Ive never been there so I dont know.

So you take a hunt with a targeted harvest number, split off a few "special" bucks, form a new hunt, apply success rates to those bucks and you now have a more tags to sell and not affect the population. It's an "opportunity hunt" and an "opportunity" to make a little more money.
 
>>Hey tx!
>>
>>Nobody said you couldn't shoot them
>>before!:D
>>
>>
>
>+1
>
>The skeptic in me says the
>"one more mouth to feed"
>idea is questionable. Are they
>gonna issue tags for "blue
>does" that no longer produce?
>Is forage that critical on
>the Pauns? Ive never been
>there so I dont know.
>
>
>So you take a hunt with
>a targeted harvest number, split
>off a few "special" bucks,
>form a new hunt, apply
>success rates to those bucks
>and you now have a
>more tags to sell and
>not affect the population. It's
>an "opportunity hunt" and an
>"opportunity" to make a little
>more money.


Hey NVB!

How did You ever Figure Our DWR out?
 
>Real cactus bucks are usually sterile.
>How would this be a
>management hunt or remove bad
>genes from the pool?

One less mouth to feed that isn't contributing to the population.
 
>>Real cactus bucks are usually sterile.
>>How would this be a
>>management hunt or remove bad
>>genes from the pool?
>
>One less mouth to feed that
>isn't contributing to the population.
>

Wouldn't this only be true if there were does that were not throwing a fawn because they were only getting nailed by cactus bucks? Does the pauns have a problem with unbred does?
 
Does are not being bred by cactus bucks. They lack the testosterone to have any desire to breed

Also, may of them grow really grotesque antlers and are prone to get damaged because they never stop growing or shed the velvet, ever. I have seen some that had wounds to the antlers and the flies drove them nuts.

I think the season makes sense IF there are lots of these running around. If only 1 in 1000, not really any reason to have a special season except to get more money! It will be interesting to see what the success rate of this hunt is

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
So cactus bucks do take up space on the mountain and habitat that can be used by other deer. Also very few people will shoot the cactus bucks as when you draw the pons tag most trophy hunt. Have you seen the cactus on the pons. Most have smaller horns and some even look like a velvet hat as the horns are masses and not growing tall. Last year they had a special hunt for 10 cactus bucks for testing. Results were they were worthless for breeding and most trophy hunters do not shoot them. With this special hunt people willing to shoot them can and it also addresses point creep taking those people out of the draw. Thus trophy pons hunters move up closer to drawing.
 
There are a fair number of them on the unit. I saw 5 of them in one evening this Winter and really was not looking to hard. Like others have said not one of them were at all close to being what i would call "big". Over the past 3-4 years I have seen 3-4 cactus bucks every time I go out and look which hasn't been all that often. Let someone shoot em I say.
 
I think these tags would be better served as youth tags... get more youth involved... JMO...
 
Ive learned alot about these deer now and never seen one by the posts. Last question...so they want them reduced, they are sterile...why set the dates during the rut? Is that the best time to locate them?
 
They may not rut but they do migrate and will be more concentrated on the winter range that time of year.

Get ready for change because it's going to happen!
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-09-18 AT 12:54PM (MST)[p]>I think these tags would be
>better served as youth tags...
>get more youth involved... JMO...
>
And so would doe and cow tags.

Youth should not get any special treatment for LE buck tags.


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Why are any of you complaining about this hunt?

A few points I would like to make.

1: Most of the People that draw a pauns tag under the current system would not shoot one of these bucks.

2: This hunt isn't during any of the other hunts so it's not effecting the other "trophy" hunts.

3: The dates are set in November to ensure that all bucks killed are indeed cactus bucks, as the rest of the population should have the velvet striped by then.

4: This is an opportunity hunt plain and simple, it gets more people through the system in a way that's not going to effect trophy potential on The unit, much in the same way the managment 5hunts are.

5: Every cactus buck killed is required to be checked into a check station.

6: This is a win,win,win for everyone, The Dwr is happy cause they make more money. The trophy hunt crowd is happy cause these are not trophy class bucks being killed. The opportunity crowd is happy cause it gives more opportunity. The point creep crowd is happy because this helps relive some points off the system.

All in all this hunt is not a negative in any way shape or form. Well unless you are one of those fat and happy cactus bucks that until now was mostly safe from hunters.



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Little fin, that buck has quite the story behind it. If I'm not mistaken it scores over 330 SCI.

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I am really curious how many points its going to take to pull this tag? They are pretty unique animals and I am sure there are some people out there that would love the opportunity. Whats the guess on the amount of points it takes to pull the tag??

Sorry, but for now, my 15 points are staying with the Trophy tag. ha
 
I personally wouldn't use more than a couple points. I've seen several on the general season the last few years.

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