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elkhunter40

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I have been hunting in Colorado for the past 13 years on self-guided hunts. I have all the equipment for the hunt, including tents, cots, use of ATVs, stoves, and down the silverware. For the past 3 years I have invited a co-worker and he has brought along atleast 2 of his friends each year to come with. I have also invited an older gentleman I met at a RMEF banquet, totaling my party to 5. For the last 3 years these hunters have brought only their clothes and guns. This last hunt I supplied 3 of them with cots, sleeping bags, and other necessities. One of them drove their crew-cab pick up, and all they carried was their clothes and guns. I drove my vehicle with a trailer carrying all the equipment from tent, heating stove, cooking stove, shelter, lanterns, cots, and chairs. For the expenses of the trip this year, for food and fuel, was $1,200 from MN to CO. The gentleman from the RMEF banquet thought it would be fair to split the cost between my four hunting companions, since i invited them and supplied all the equipment. The other 3 thought the cost should be split 5 ways, including myself. How would you share expenses on a trip like this?
 
I know someone who hunts in the same situation like you have. They have been doing this with the same group of people for over 20 years. What they do is that the owner of the equipment buys all of the food and hauls all of the tents and equipment to the hunting area. He contacts everyone well in advance and tells them it will be X amount of dollars for X amount of time per person. If you don't want to pay that then you don't come.

In your situation, I don't think you have to pay because it is all your stuff. Splitting it 4 ways is fair to you because then they are paying your to rent the use of your equipment. Why should you, in this situation, have to pay to use what is already yours?
 
Just go ahead and un-invite them and let them purchase thier own gear. I bet they will be glad to cover your 1/5th of the expense.

Mike
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LAST EDITED ON Oct-19-03 AT 09:57AM (MST)[p]elkhunter40,

Many years ago when modems were still 300 baud max, I was the adminstrator of all the outdoor-related forums on Compuserve. I mentioned javelina hunting here in AZ, and several forum members said they had never heard of them. Soooo...I offered to set up a hunt for a few guys on one of the reservations here so we didn't have to worry about the permit drawing.

The first year, we had five guys attend, including one from NJ, CO and FL. That was the first of about 10 to 12 of the annual STEENKIN' PEEG HUNT (SPH). From then on out, we normally had a waiting list of folks who wanted to attend because I limited the hunters to 8 or so. With a couple friends here who helped guide and me, there were usually about 12 folks in camp. We had a few more one year when the guys from Northwest Hunter attended to make two TV shows about the hunt. The cost for each individual was a license, transporation to Phoenix and $100 for food/fuel and other expenses. Any excess was put into improving the hunt in the way of equipment, etc. My main helper/guide Corky Richardson and I supplied everything except a hunter's personal gear, gun and sleeping bag.

Our first hunt was a simple affair, with two smallish tents for sleeping, a two-burner camp stove and fire grill and a tarp to eat under. As the years went by our camp becamee a bit more elaborate. For sleeping, we set up Corky's 16'x20' tent, complete with wood-burning stove, cots and matresses. Although we used a large tarp for meals for about three years, I finally built a 3/4" PVC frame and used the cheapie blue tarps to make us a kitchen tent. To this I added another wood-burning stove, a long 14' table that breaks down into three sections for hauling and many others amenities. I bought an old RV 4-burner stove with an oven and built it into a self-standing range with removable legs. We also got one of the super two-burner Camp Chef stoves with the grill that goes clear across and a self-standing deep fryer. Over the years, the number of ice chests went from two to about 8, including two of those monster Coleman jobbies for the food.

Eventually, the PVC kitchen tent gave way to one of those nice metal-framed jobs from Cosco. The one I bought didn't have walls, so I took it to a local tent company, along with a number of those heavy-duty silver tarps and had them cut and make the walls for it, complete with full-lenght Velcro trips in ever corner and a large heavy-duty zipper for the front door. A stove jack completed it. I had also made a frame from 3/4" metal conduit so one side had an 2 1/2" alcove, making the entire footprint about 14' wide by 20' long. The floor consisted of Astroturf. Coleman lanterns, hung from the frame and all connected via one hose to a bulk propane tank provided the light. Another tank powered the oven stove and the Camp Chef, while the deep fryer used a third tank.

As you can imagine, all of this gear, along with enough wood, packed in milk crates that served as seats, to heat the tents for 4-5 nights, took a lot of hauling. So in addition to my two pickups, I wound up buying two pick-up bed trailers. One has just a low shell on it, while the other has a head-high camper that has only two bunks, a table and two closets. I sleep in this one, which is parked right near the kitchen. Plus, any of the hunters who were local or drove to the SPH would also be hauling some of the camp gear.

Despite ALL of the improvements over the years, the last hunt cost each individual $150 for everything other than their license and airfare, and believe me, we didn't scrimp on food. Plus, the hunt went from a few days to a week-long affair that began with a big dinner at my house the evening before we left for camp and then another big dinner, usually a Mexican Fiesta) the night we returned from camp. That was usually Weds. night to the next Tues. night, with plane arrrivals and departures on Weds. mornings/afternoon.

Now, if I were you, I would divy up your total out-of-pocket expenses among everyone EXCEPT yourself. Since you're already doing much of the work and supplying gear, your share is already included!

Here are a couple pix inside the kitchen tent. -TONY

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This is an easy one, Everybody pay for there own stuff. if there is going to be shared stuff then everybody kick in equal amounts such as food lantern fuel etc.... for all the equipment you have purchased, thats yours and not cool to ask them to help you flip a bill like that.


Shed
 
We have not had the exact problem you have, but here is a similar question. Assuming everyone takes their own gear, and one person takes his vehicle, who should pay for the gas? In a perfect world, the owner of the vehicle would not spend one dime for gas, he is out the wear and tear of a very expensive vehicle. However, we have usually split the gas equally including the vehicle owner.

Sounds like a good set up for your friends for sure. I say split it 5 ways and make them buy their own cots and sleeping bags. You would take the other stuff whether they went or not. If that bothers you, don't invite them next year.

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
Man, can I come with you?

You really bent over backwards. Those guys need to kick in more. Maybe have them supply the food since you have the gear and split all other costs. One thing to consider is splitting everything 4 or 5 ways makes little difference, $1500 split 4 wyas is $375 and split 5 ways is $300.

I would say you should pay less since it is all your gear, having them split the other costs, food gas etc. would be fine with me (from either point of view) if it was my group.
 
Tell them to split it four ways or go on a guied hunt and pay ten times that much! If you pick up the bill for everything, have all the gear, and do all or most of the work, these guys are taking advantage of you for sure. You may not see it because you're friends with them but step back and look a little harder. You are taking them on a fully outfitted hunt and all they do is show up! A fully outfitted hunt in CO would run them around $1500-$2000, and you are takeing them for free. Tell them if they don't want to pay then stay home!

Ivan
 

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