Antelope, Elk, Deer Draw Results

shedneck

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I'm not saying that Huntin Fool is always 100 percent right, but I just received an email from Huntin Fool saying, in part, that Idaho results will be available Friday, 6/23. Hope they are right. Good luck and let me know if you draw unit 47 deer. I'd be happy to share what I know.
 
Ya, I seen that also. Sounding like probably Friday for Idaho and Thursday for Wyoming deer. I guess by the end of the week it will be about all over but the crying!!!
 
Crying not an issue. Think I ran outta tears at around Utah.

Must have because Nevada and Kali didn't even phase me.

Too numb for Idaho to hurt.

Buddy drew a great Nv elk tag and I'm going along so all is not lost.
 
You can login and attempt to purchase one of the tags that you applied for. Typically, they show up as an option to buy before the official results are published.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-20-17 AT 11:34AM (MST)[p]So all it shows for me is Adult deer receipt and adult elk receipt.
So my guess is I didn't draw or the results are not available

Chuck in Boise
 
Nothing for me to purchase yet either, but as a non-resident who applied for some quality hunts I'm probably not the best person to determine if the backdoor is accurate now or not. Was it reliable last year?
 
The backdoor isn't open I'm suspecting. My 2nd deer choice was an unlimited archery tag which is a guaranteed draw on 2nd if I don't draw my 1st choice. Says deer receipt. I'm sure a few more days won't kill you all.
 
Backdoor has been reliable the past 2 years, anyway. But I agree, they have probably found a way to close that door.

In this day and age, the results should be as simple as a keystroke........2 weeks tops, I'd think
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-21-17 AT 08:29AM (MST)[p]It would show the LE tag you drew available for purchase, with hunt number.
 
>Back door has not worked for
>me the last year or
>two. I believe they shut
>that down

It worked for me last year....about 3-4 days prior to the results being published
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-21-17 AT 05:37PM (MST)[p]>>Back door has not worked for
>>me the last year or
>>two. I believe they shut
>>that down
>
>It worked for me last year....about
>3-4 days prior to the
>results being published




It will be ready when it's ready.
 
>>Back door has not worked for
>>me the last year or
>>two. I believe they shut
>>that down
>
>It worked for me last year....about
>3-4 days prior to the
>results being published

Hasn't worked for me either. You must be special
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-21-17 AT 05:43PM (MST)[p]

Oh shedneck...Mr. Keyboard Warrior...you are a sick perverted individual making those accusations
 
I obviously missed something about this thread I didn't see any stupid back door comments, anyways, I honestly believe they wait till Friday afternoon so they don't have to field 40000 calls when the site crashes. That way by Monday everyone has pretty much answered their own question about whether they drew or not. My 2 cents.
 
>I obviously missed something about this
>thread I didn't see any
>stupid back door comments, anyways,
>I honestly believe they wait
>till Friday afternoon so they
>don't have to field 40000
>calls when the site crashes.
>That way by Monday everyone
>has pretty much answered their
>own question about whether they
>drew or not. My 2
>cents.

LOL!!!I just see everybody at the door ready to run while one person hits enter.
 
Hasnt mattered in years past if it crashed . You have always been able to call a number and they tell you if you drew or not. Even after 5pm
 
Also hasn't crashed for quite a few years. Licensing is down so I'm guessing the draw is done and they want to close the backdoor. Results this afternoon?
 
>Also hasn't crashed for quite a
>few years. Licensing is down
>so I'm guessing the draw
>is done and they want
>to close the backdoor. Results
>this afternoon?


Licensing is still working for me. still says receipt.
 
Heard rumor DFG asked people to stop calling so often to check, but nothing posted on website to affirm that.

I'm sure that once they are available be it by website or "backdoor", it will say so on here within 5 min max.
 
>>Also hasn't crashed for quite a
>>few years. Licensing is down
>>so I'm guessing the draw
>>is done and they want
>>to close the backdoor. Results
>>this afternoon?
>
>
>Licensing is still working for me.
> still says receipt.

I can't get past the login page for some reason
 
Well that is an easy problem to solve, post the results and they will stop getting calls asking about results.
 
>Seriously how long does it take
>to push a button and
>run a draw in this
>day and age

Shout out to the Idaho state legislature for finding a slower more expensive way to do the draw. Good thing no one on here has a gag reflex!

Justin
 
They do have until July 10, just like it says on the draw results website.

Quit acting like Utards and wipe those tears away, another couple weeks won't hurt you cry babies.
 
>
>Quit acting like Utards and wipe
>those tears away, another couple
>weeks won't hurt you cry
>babies.
The irony in this statement is that if we were acting like tards we would all praise senator Steve Bair and Mr Doug Sayer for costing us half a million a year and making us wait longer in order to full fill a vendetta against IDf&g.



Justin
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-23-17 AT 07:48PM (MST)[p]Lmao

Please explain this vendetta you have against IDFG.

The draw results are not available when you want so you have a temper tantrum?
 
>LAST EDITED ON Jun-23-17
>AT 07:48?PM (MST)

>
>Lmao
>
>Please explain this vendetta you have
>against IDFG.
>
>The draw results are not available
>when you want so you
>have a temper tantrum?

I don't have a vendetta against IDf&g I think they use to run the draw just fine. Idf&g no longer runs the draw and it's costing us big to pay a private company to do it slower than IDF&g usually does.
Re read what I posted and read this.


"yet another attempt by a gang of legislators making demands of the commission that aren't supported by sportsmen. They?re intent on forcing the commission to double ($750,000 to $1.5 million) the current annual set aside available to landowners for crop damage by wildlife. Funded by hunting license sales, the fund goes unclaimed most years since landowner claims rarely total $750,000. Gibbs wants the fund doubled for undisclosed reasons. Last year Sen. Bert Brackett authored and passed bill S1344, mandating IDFG hire a contractor to manage controlled hunt drawings. S1344?s estimated annual cost of $100,000 starkly contrasts the current annual in-house cost of $3,000. The actual cost of S1344 is $2 million annually. During 10 years without a fee increase, IDFG?s purchasing power has reduced from inflation by 20 percent. 2017?s price-lock fee increase proposal would generate approximately $2 million annually. S1344 and the depredation increase will cost almost $3 million annually, nullifying the added benefit of the proposed fee increase. Perhaps it's time the Legislature passes the sportsman supported fee increase for IDFG and quit saddling us with unjustified increased costs."

Read more here: http://www.idahostatesman.com/opinio...#storylink=cpy

Justin
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-23-17 AT 08:25PM (MST)[p]You are basing your argument off the Opinion of someone else. You show no facts other than something you read and happen to agree with?


Perhaps the best solution for you Justin is to quit hunting in Idaho. If you don't purchase anything from IDFG then they cannot waste your money.


All your whining and crying doesn't change anything.
 
Lmao between my writing skills and your reading comprehension......

I don't think idf&g is waisting my money they are simply cought in the middle I know this from being at the state house and commission meetings.

Also that was a quote from Representative Marc Gibbs as he addresses the fish and game commission.
It is not an opinion it is really happening.
We just passed a fee increase and an increase to the depredation fund. F&g actually has less funds this year and we are paying more because of s1344
I'm glad you are happy about that.
Waiting longer for the draws is just icing on the cake;)

https://legislature.idaho.gov/sessioninfo/2016/legislation/S1344/




https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...ggdMAA&usg=AFQjCNEz5DM2M6V91ZiNgmooSAnGg-8e-w


Justin
 
They do have until July 10th to let everyone know. That is for cards mailed out to every successful applicant. Not just internet results
 
Still can't figure out how California can have a June 2 deadline and have results out by June 12 (5 business days) and other states take months and months. Especially Utah!
 
>Still can't figure out how California
>can have a June 2
>deadline and have results out
>by June 12 (5 business
>days) and other states take
>months and months. Especially
>Utah!
To make things worse Idaho can run a second, albeit smaller drawing and have results posted within 7 Days of the application deadline.

Pissing and moaning in Jam's Cheerios


Justin
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-26-17 AT 11:20AM (MST)[p]My life for the last week:
Check this forum, check Idaho draw results, check Idaho draw odds, check backdoor, check IFish thread.....repeat!

I'm so glad I'm not the only person with this ridiculous routine....right??!!

I love this time of year though, if your not excited and full of anticipation it's time to quit, and leave the tags for me ?
 
I agree, I have realized that putting in for different states, searching out new areas to apply for, waiting for, and hoping on different draws brings a certain adrenalin rush. Kind of a hunt in its own right. Playing the draw game in different states is exciting and makes the first few months of the year pass by with the "what if I draw" such and such unit....
 
I strongly suspect that the draw may have been completed weeks ago and it may just be that IDFG is sitting on the results waiting for the public outcry against the legislature who forced them to outsource the draw. I also like to listen to Alex Jones though if that tells you anything lol.
 
>Hey guys
>
>I called IDFG today, they said
>we should have results by
>July 10.

I had a few questions Mr. Nutz.
Is your first name really Deez? Because I don't know if you have noticed but "Deez Nutz" sounds suspiciously close to "these nuts"

Justin
 
>>Hey guys
>>
>>I called IDFG today, they said
>>we should have results by
>>July 10.
>
>I had a few questions Mr.
>Nutz.
>Is your first name really Deez?
>Because I don't know if
>you have noticed but "Deez
>Nutz" sounds suspiciously close to
>"these nuts"
>
>Justin

That was only 1 question. What were the others?
 
>>>Hey guys
>>>
>>>I called IDFG today, they said
>>>we should have results by
>>>July 10.
>>
>>I had a few questions Mr.
>>Nutz.
>>Is your first name really Deez?
>>Because I don't know if
>>you have noticed but "Deez
>>Nutz" sounds suspiciously close to
>>"these nuts"
>>
>>Justin
>
>That was only 1 question.
>What were the others?

They are follow up's.
I'll ask another one even if you won't answer stright.
Are you a teenager? 16?



Justin
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-26-17 AT 12:58PM (MST)[p]

>>>>Hey guys
>>>>
>>>>I called IDFG today, they said
>>>>we should have results by
>>>>July 10.
>>>
>>>I had a few questions Mr.
>>>Nutz.
>>>Is your first name really Deez?
>>>Because I don't know if
>>>you have noticed but "Deez
>>>Nutz" sounds suspiciously close to
>>>"these nuts"
>>>
>>>Justin
>>
>>That was only 1 question.
>>What were the others?
>
>They are follow up's.
>I'll ask another one even if
>you won't answer stright.
>Are you a teenager? 16?
>
>
>
>Justin

Go troll someone else
 
>LAST EDITED ON Jun-26-17
>AT 12:38?PM (MST)

>
>>>>>Hey guys
>>>>>
>>>>>I called IDFG today, they said
>>>>>we should have results by
>>>>>July 10.
>>>>
>>>>I had a few questions Mr.
>>>>Nutz.
>>>>Is your first name really Deez?
>>>>Because I don't know if
>>>>you have noticed but "Deez
>>>>Nutz" sounds suspiciously close to
>>>>"these nuts"
>>>>
>>>>Justin
>>>
>>>That was only 1 question.
>>>What were the others?
>>
>>They are follow up's.
>>I'll ask another one even if
>>you won't answer stright.
>>Are you a teenager? 16?
>>
>>
>>
>>Justin
>13, why do you ask?
>Do you like little boys?
>
Not at all, I just get curious when someone anonymously comes on here and start calling people keyboard warriors and acting like a child because they are "anonymous".
The reason my name is on my profile is probably the same reason Shedhead's' name is on his. It's because nothing is anonymous on the internet. With your email address and your gaming accounts I was able to find out who you were in 15min so now neither of us are anonymous.
I don't wish you any harm and honestly wish you well. Infact I think your view on waiting for the draws is quite mature for someone of your age, kudos to you. You do need to keep in mind that we are all aware of how trivial it is to wait for the draw to come out :) we are just playing around and venting a little. Never take anything you read on here for face value
Hopefully this can help you interact properly in the future.
Good luck in the draws!

Justin
 
>>LAST EDITED ON Jun-26-17
>>AT 12:38?PM (MST)

>>
>>>>>>Hey guys
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I called IDFG today, they said
>>>>>>we should have results by
>>>>>>July 10.
>>>>>
>>>>>I had a few questions Mr.
>>>>>Nutz.
>>>>>Is your first name really Deez?
>>>>>Because I don't know if
>>>>>you have noticed but "Deez
>>>>>Nutz" sounds suspiciously close to
>>>>>"these nuts"
>>>>>
>>>>>Justin
>>>>
>>>>That was only 1 question.
>>>>What were the others?
>>>
>>>They are follow up's.
>>>I'll ask another one even if
>>>you won't answer stright.
>>>Are you a teenager? 16?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Justin
>>13, why do you ask?
>>Do you like little boys?
>>
>Not at all, I just get
>curious when someone anonymously comes
>on here and start calling
>people keyboard warriors and acting
>like a child because they
>are "anonymous".
>The reason my name is on
>my profile is probably the
>same reason Shedhead's' name is
>on his. It's because nothing
>is anonymous on the internet.
>With your email address and
>your gaming accounts I was
>able to find out who
>you were in 15min so
>now neither of us are
>anonymous.
>I don't wish you any harm
>and honestly wish you well.
>Infact I think your view
>on waiting for the draws
>is quite mature for someone
>of your age, kudos to
>you. You do need to
>keep in mind that we
>are all aware of how
>trivial it is to wait
>for the draw to come
>out :) we are just
>playing around and venting a
>little. Never take anything you
>read on here for face
>value
>Hopefully this can help you interact
>properly in the future.
>Good luck in the draws!
>
>Justin

Thank you for the insight. Im sorry for offending you.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-26-17 AT 02:54PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Jun-26-17 AT 02:53?PM (MST)

You probably are not far off.

The change in the draw was demanded because of, amongst other reasons, suspiciously fortuitous outstanding draws by F&G royalty year after year. A lot of people say that was all conspiracy BS but if you can get past all the angry ranting and hear what tags were drawn, by what people, and how often. You have to think to yourself, wow......maybe there was something to it.


>I strongly suspect that the draw may have been completed weeks ago >and it may just be that IDFG is sitting on the results waiting for >the public outcry against the legislature who forced them to >outsource the draw. I also like to listen to Alex Jones though if >that tells you anything lol.
 
Well IF there was some "home-cooking" going on and certain people pulled a disproportional amount of LE tags as a result, sounds like they got away with it...
 
>LAST EDITED ON Jun-26-17
>AT 02:54?PM (MST)

>
>LAST EDITED ON Jun-26-17
>AT 02:53?PM (MST)

>
>You probably are not far off.
>
>
>The change in the draw was
>demanded because of, amongst other
>reasons, suspiciously fortuitous outstanding draws
>by F&G royalty year after
>year. A lot of
>people say that was all
>conspiracy BS but if you
>can get past all the
>angry ranting and hear what
>tags were drawn, by what
>people, and how often.
>You have to think to
>yourself, wow......maybe there was something
>to it.
>
>
>>I strongly suspect that the draw may have been completed weeks ago >and it may just be that IDFG is sitting on the results waiting for >the public outcry against the legislature who forced them to >outsource the draw. I also like to listen to Alex Jones though if >that tells you anything lol.


Do you have proof or only speculation?
 
Its either a huge conspiracy designed to screw hunters and raise revenue or........business as usual. I just can't decide.
 
>Who drew them and what tags?
>
>Justin

Yeah this....I'd seriously like to know. Any truth to that rumor I'd say is a green light to hunt wherever the hell you all want this season.






the artist formerly known as "gemstatejake".
 
>Magnet,
>
>You would be good ignoring that
>fool.
>
>Waste of time IMO.

Yea about that. The whole reason the issue came up is 2 of the IDFG commissioners drew bighorn sheep tags. The odds of 2 out of a group of 6 or 7 people drawing tags is unrealistic. Except that I personally know 5 people who applied for OIL tags this year and of those 5, 2 of them drew. In a state with the high odds that we have it really isn't that hard to believe that 2 of the commissioners could both draw in the same year. It was never even published what sheep tags they did draw but if it was 27-1 then it actually would almost be likely. Instead they made used rumors and lies to force IDFG to spend an extra $100k outsourcing their draws and they came really close to banning commissioners and IDFG employees from being able to apply in the draws if I remember correctly
 
>>Magnet,
>>
>>You would be good ignoring that
>>fool.
>>
>>Waste of time IMO.
>
>Yea about that. The whole reason
>the issue came up is
>2 of the IDFG commissioners
>drew bighorn sheep tags. The
>odds of 2 out of
>a group of 6 or
>7 people drawing tags is
>unrealistic. Except that I personally
>know 5 people who applied
>for OIL tags this year
>and of those 5, 2
>of them drew. In a
>state with the high odds
>that we have it really
>isn't that hard to believe
>that 2 of the commissioners
>could both draw in the
>same year. It was never
>even published what sheep tags
>they did draw but if
>it was 27-1 then it
>actually would almost be likely.
>Instead they made used rumors
>and lies to force IDFG
>to spend an extra $100k
>outsourcing their draws and they
>came really close to banning
>commissioners and IDFG employees from
>being able to apply in
>the draws if I remember
>correctly

One of the Commissioners had applied for 20 years and one was the first try. Both drew Frank Church tags. Nothing extraordinary.
 
Mark Doerr
Chairman
Idaho Fish and Game Commission




Chairman Bair, Senators of the Resource and Environment Committee:

My name is Mark Doerr, Chairman of the Idaho Fish and Game Commission. I write this as testimony to be added to the record for the hearings on Senate Bill 1344. This is my opinion and does not represent the opinion of the Idaho Fish and Game Commission in its entirety.
The Commission has not had the opportunity to weigh in on or discuss this bill due to the speed it has moved through committee. I oppose Senate Bill 1344. The reasons are as follows:
* Senator Brackett states that the system needs to be transparent. The process of controlled hunt drawings in Idaho is as follows: The IDFG assigns a random number to an applicant. All random numbers are then forwarded to the State Auditor's office. The Auditor's office then re-assigns another random number to each applicant. We now have 2 random assignments to each applicant. The numbers are then loaded into the computer system, which has been programmed with a complex algorithm to randomly draw numbers for controlled hunts. This system is open to any person who wishes to observe the process. It has been audited numerous times and has been found to be fair, random and un-biased. The system is transparent.
* It has also been stated by Senator Brackett that it is perceived that the system of controlled hunts is not fair and that perception is reality, therefore change is needed. If the commission were to make decisions based on perception, rather than facts, we would be unable to properly manage wildlife in the state of Idaho. Facts always trump perception and the commission makes decisions based on fact. The commission surveyed sportsman in the fall of 2015, compiled the results in November of 2015 and overwhelmingly sportsman supported the current controlled hunt system that is in place. Sportsmen were asked if they were satisfied with Idaho's controlled hunt system. 58% of sportsmen were satisfied with the current system and 9% undecided.
* Senator Siddoway while commenting on the Senate Resource Committee regarding S1344 stated that 2 commissioners drew sheep tags in Idaho last year. He is correct. 1 had been applying for over 20 years. The other drew a tag the first time he applied. The odds of drawing a sheep tag in Idaho vary from 1 in 5 to 1 in 263. I personally know of a husband and wife who applied for sheep hunts, each in different parts of the State of Idaho, and both drew in the same year. So the odds are not that high that 2 commissioners could draw in the same year. To imply that the system is therefore biased and in need of change is not supported by fact.
* The part of this I have the most concern with is that the claims of lack of transparency, commissioners and IDFG employees drawing controlled hunt tags unfairly or in a biased manner, is thick with the implication that there is corruption in the commission, IDFG and the Auditor's office. No facts to back up these assertions exist. Quite to the contrary, the commission, IDFG and Auditor's office are above reproach in the way they conduct themselves and no facts to the contrary have been presented. To impugn the reputation of the commission, employees of the IDFG and the Auditor's office for political emphasis is wrong.
* Sportsmen are decidedly against this change of administration from the Commission to the Legislature. Again, this is moving fast, but in my initial discussions with the Idaho Sportsman's Alliance, they are against this change.
* The Commission does play a critical role in representing the sportsmen that financially support the IDFG. Long standing Commission process has been to build consensus on critical issues like this. There has been no demonstrated problem with the current system other than assertions that it is not transparent and is corrupt. If there are no facts to back this up, then I ask 2 questions:
Why does the legislature need to make this change?
Why does the legislature desire to strip the commission of its history of properly implementing this program?
History of the commission and why I opposed this change on principle:
In 1938, the first citizens initiative in the State of Idaho, mandated the creation of a professional department of fish and game to manage Idaho's wildlife and a citizen commission form of government to oversee this new department. The reason for this major change was to remove politics from the business of managing the states wildlife. If you read the 1939 Idaho Code addressing these changes to Title 36, it demonstrates how everything from the selection of the Director to game wardens to fish managers had been corrupted by politics, wildlife was suffering and the citizens wanted a change. Most importantly it needs to be remembered, the Legislature did not create a professionally run Department and citizen commission out of a gesture of goodwill. Quite to the contrary. The citizens removed the legislative authority to manage the states wildlife because the legislature had politically made a mess of the process. What came out of that tumultuous series of events was the creation of the Idaho Department of Fish and Game and the Idaho Fish and Game Commission. Title 36 as it was written in 1938 and is still written today, it states:
A. "All wildlife, including all wild animals, wild birds, and fish, within the state of Idaho, is hereby declared to be the property of the state of Idaho. It shall be preserved, protected, perpetuated, and managed. It shall be only captured or taken at such times or places, under such conditions, or by such means, or in such manner, as will preserve, protect, and perpetuate such wildlife, and provide for the citizens of this state and, as by law permitted to others, continued supplies of such wildlife for hunting, fishing and trapping."
B. "Commission to Administer Policy. Because conditions are changing and in changing affect the preservation, protection, and perpetuation of Idaho wildlife, the methods and means of administering and carrying out the state's policy must be flexible and dependent on the ascertainment of facts which from time to time exist and fix the needs for regulation and control of fishing, hunting, trapping, and other activity relating to wildlife, and because it is inconvenient and impractical for the legislature of the state of Idaho to administer such policy, it shall be the authority, power and duty of the fish and game commission to administer and carry out the policy of the state in accordance with the provisions of the Idaho fish and game code. The commission is not authorized to change such policy but only to administer it."
So by definition, the Commission cannot change the policy. But the policy is defined. It is to preserve, protect, perpetuate and manage the states wildlife. And the legislature yields to the citizens when it states "because it is inconvenient and impractical for the legislature of the state of Idaho to administer and carry out the policy, it shall be the authority, power and duty of the fish and game commission to administer and carry out the policy." That part was a result of the citizens initiative, which mandated the commission administer wildlife policy. It also says we can't change the policy. But that means we cannot adopt market hunting, exterminate a population of animals or remove "protect" from the code, etc. We have to preserve, protect, perpetuate and manage for surpluses for hunting, fishing and trapping. Nowhere does it state, if the legislature decides it would like to take this authority back, it need to simply pass legislation nullifying the commission or to have the commission stop its administration and defer to a new political desire of the legislature. I am not saying the legislature doesn't have a role in wildlife policy. If the commission chooses to propose a new law or rule, applicable to the policy of Title 36, to preserve, protect, perpetuate and manage, it is appropriate that the legislature is the check and balance on the commission to ensure the policy is not being changed and that law flow not from agencies, but from the legislature. And this has worked for almost 8 decades, 78 years to be exact. But over the last several years, there seems to be a concerted effort to in fact undo what the citizens mandated in 1938, and force the commission to act on certain issues that are ripe with the politics the 1938 initiative sought to stop.
The policy above states that the commission shall "administer" the policy, not "implement" the policy. I think this is an important difference. I believe the choice of words was well thought out, to ensure that as long as the commission was acting in good faith and was not negligent in its administration of wildlife policy, it was not to be micro managed by the legislature; to remain free of political interference. Here are the definitions as found in Merriam's Dictionary:
Implement: Carry out, accomplish
Administer: To manage or supervise the execution, use, or conduct of
One final thought on the administration of policy. The Fish and Game Commission does have a higher mandate than any other commission in the state of Idaho, because it was set up as the result of a citizen's initiative. Even if the words in Title 36 say something different to you, the citizens did require the setting up of a professional fish and game department with oversight by a citizen commission form of government. The spirit of the initiative was to remove politics from wildlife management, and thus the legislature gave that administration to the commission. I think this requires the legislature to move slowly and prudently when making changes to commission administration of wildlife policy, and have defined, well thought out reasons if changes are necessary.
With that in mind I ask you, how many laws need to be written by the legislature, restricting commission authority to administer the policy, before you have effectively nullified the commission and the voters? At some point, after a number of new laws, you have overridden the citizens initiative and without asking their opinion, rendered their collective voting, 78% of voters in 1938, irrelevant.
So in closing, the commission needs to work in close collaboration with the Legislature for a variety of reasons on a variety of issues. This testimony is not meant to provoke a reaction. It is meant to be part of the democratic process and proper public discourse to be sure well thought out, informed decisions are made on behalf the citizens of the State of Idaho.
Thank you for your time and consideration on this issue.
Sincerely,
Mark Doerr
Chairman
Idaho Fish and Game Commission
Region 4, Magic Valley


Justin
 
>Instead they made used rumors
>and lies to force IDFG
>to spend an extra $100k
>outsourcing their draws and they
>came really close to banning
>commissioners and IDFG employees from
>being able to apply in
>the draws if I remember
>correctly

This is true The Fish and Game Commission had denied the Senate's request for more auction tags. And fought the Senate trying to mandate more auction tags.
A after that decision these emails from my link above were sent.


From: Doug Sayer [[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:03 PM
To: Senator Steve Bair
Cc: Representative Mike Moyle; Senator Jeff Siddoway; Senator Bert Brackett; Representative
Scott Bedke; Representative Fred Wood; Representative Dell Raybould
Subject: Re: Fish and Game release
Seems to me there might still be some confusion over who has to write the laws and who has to
implement t hem. I'll be there to support your legislation when you need me. Thanks to all the hard
work you do for our great State.
Doug
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 29, 2016, at 3:30 PM, Senator Steve Bair <[email protected]> wrote:
Fellers,
The Commission has chosen to allow 5 auction tags to be auctioned under the Gov tag program. Mark
Doerr called me this morning all excited about it.. ...until I told him we were adjusting the "may" to
"shall". Then there was dead silence and then he said the commission likely could not support statutory
changes like that. I invited him to come testify on the bill if he so desired. Thought you would like to
know.
Steve
Senator Steve Bair
Bingham County
Begin forwarded message:
From: "Kiefer,Sharon" <[email protected] >
Date: January 29, 2016 at 3:42:59 PM MST
To: "[email protected] " <[email protected]>,
"'[email protected] '" <[email protected] >
Subject: FW: Fish and Game release
Mr. Chairmen, I wanted you to be aware of this media release regarding an action the
Fish and Game Commission took yesterday. I have al so attached the Commission
briefing sheet staff has prepared for their Thursday (2/4) teleconference at 8 am. The
public is welcome to attend the meeting by coming t o one of our regional offices or HQ,
but there will be no public testimony at the meeting.
If you would like this information distributed to the rest of your committee, please just let me know.

From: Doug Sayer [[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 9:45 PM
To: Senator Steve Bair
Subject: Re: Open Survey on Controlled Hunt Drawings and Auction Tags | Idaho Fish and Game
> > Hi Doug,
> > Yes, I knew about it. Siddoway and I were in Boise last week for the Interim Resource Committee
meeting and went over to meet with Director Moore, Sharon Keifer, and Commissioner Mark Doer.
They told us how they have thoroughly reviewed the issues we tried to pass in the legislature last year,
and ultimately told us that we were wrong, they were right, that the legislature really doesn't have
authority to write policy. They believe Commission should make all policy decisions.
> > They commission and department have clearly said they won't use the Governor tag program, work
on adjusting the issues with land owners, and won't consider policy considerations by the legislature.
> > On this point, they are dead wrong. Statute clearly states that the commission and department are
to execute policy created by the legislature.
> > So, currently, I have never seen relationships so tenuous and stressed between the legislature and
F&G. The department has decided to take a hard policy line this coming session, knowing well that they
will never get the fee increases they desire by taking such hard line positions. In fact, last week as they
reviewed their goals with us, they did not even mention fee increases. I guess they have chosen power
of policy over fee increases. Doesn't make much sense to me....


Justin
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-27-17 AT 10:13AM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Jun-27-17 AT 10:11?AM (MST)

After those emails were written there was the infamous email recommending that Commissioners who voted against mandatory auction tags not be reappointed.
So they weren't.

We also started getting all sorts of bad bills one that would keep any Commissioners from applying for the draw then one that they passed that cost us an estimated 100k / drawing that's $100,000 for first Bear/turkey, 100k for 2nd bear, 100k first deer, 100k for 2nd deer, 100k first MSG, 100k for 2ndd MSG drawing that's a lot.
The legislature has to approve fish and games budget we've seen them refuse and drag their feet to approve that budget.
The legislature has refused to pass the clean fee increase instead tacking on all sorts of things and eventually passing the fee increase with a landowner depredation fee of $5 per license attached.
Idaho Fish and Game has attempted to purchase a property for public fishing and hunting that required legislative approval it and went nowhere.

My list could go on and on but the point is it's a simple childish Vendetta. Designed to cast doubt over the commission and wreck our hunting.


Justin
 
Its been a long time since i have been on and this post kinda reminds me why. Name calling etc, because someone thinks a little different then you, wow. Just remember in the end we are all on the same side going against a growing population that would like to take our guns and our hunting away. now as far as the hunts, the fact that it is so late makes it much harder to get the time off if you finally draw that great tag, my sons calendar is filling up and it may be a short hunt if we get one of those tags. if they want to take 2 months to draw thats fine but start it earlier. Just a bit of Scottology today. good luck
 
Sorry for the confusion.

My comment that got copied several times was not directed at the Commissioners debate. I don't know enough about the subject to comment.

I was referring to the sarcastic comments he kept replying to that had no value.
 
I understood what you were saying Kali, I was just expanding on it. The whole who was drawing what tags and why we now are outsourcing the draw issue is a joke, just a few legislators angry that they can't have landowner tags to sell to the highest bidder, auction tags and bonus points using their power to create more issues for the IDFG and its commissioners. I think that kinda sums up about the last 40 or 50 posts all in one shot
 

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