Is this a GOP Meltdown?

TFinalshot · Feb 6, 2008

I knew things were tough for the GOP, but if you did not know any better, and you just listen to the right-wingers on talk radio, you would think that the GOP has just collapsed.

I'm very surprised that the GOP has such a doomsday mentality, much to my surprise, many of the talking heads now are even saying if Mcain is the nominee, they would vote for Hillary. . .

I dont believe them for one second, but what does it really mean? Why are the right-wingers on talk radio having a melt down over this?

The dems turned out almost 2 to 1 for supper tuesday, what hapend to the heartbeat of america, where have the real, true republican amercians gone? And what's the deal with the republican party, is it really over for them?

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202typical · Feb 6, 2008

Well in my opinion it is kinda like an acoholic or drug addict. They have to hit rock bottom before they right themselves. I think this is what is happening to the Republicans. They are smoking the liberals crack pipe. For some reason they think conservative priciples are not for them. Once they bottom out here in 08, only then, if they have any brains at all, will they return to their conservative roots. Strong conservative principles is what gets them elected, not smoking the liberal crack pipe. I am ashamed and disgusted.

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Blue · Feb 6, 2008

Good hell the conservatives dont even have a person that they can vote for with out pluging their noses. McCain claims to have conservative values, but I don't see them he is just a watered down liberal. Romeny shifts with which ever wind blows. And Huckabee is McCains lap dog.

huntindude · Feb 6, 2008

If a conservative thinks like a liberal are they still a conservative?

JimNv · Feb 6, 2008

No. They are called liberals. What'd I win?

RELH · Feb 6, 2008

I do not know about any GOP meltdown, it appears that the GOP voters know more what they want in a candidate then the Dems do. who gives a crap what some talk radio hosts think. That may be why McCain is far out in the field as the leading candidate, he appears to be more in the middle then the radical right or the liberal left.
On the otherhand, the Dems can not decide, at this point, who they really want and the reason for a head to head race between Obama and Clinton. I think what you will see is Hillary or her surogates start slinging the mud now trying to pull a win over Obama with the ideal of winning any way she can. I think it will backfire on her. Also it appears that Obama is gaining on her as every day goes by and I still think he will defeat her after all the mud has been slung and the dirty diapers aired in public.
Maybe the voters feel that they have had enought of not only Bush, but the Clintons for the past 20 years in the White House.
I would love to see that crook Hillary get her come uppance and we get rid of her, but on the other hand, I think McCain would have a easier road on defeating her then he will Obama in the general election.
My 2 cents and I do not care what any liberal thinks about my 2 cents.

Cornhusker · Feb 6, 2008

The GOP will be back, they are a necessary part of the two party system. A young Nixon is out there just waiting for his chance, which will occur in either 4-8 or 12 years. It wasn't the party that failed it was the leadership of Bush that failed the party.

TFinalshot · Feb 6, 2008

I wonder if there ever will be a republican party again. Maybe it's time as come, maybe the extremest views of the Neo-Cons were just to much for even america to handle for more than 20 years.

Or is it a return to the republican party or will it take the creation of a new party altogether?

At this point I'm not even sure the conservatives know what or who they are and I know that the republicans haven't a clue, where's Newt when you need him?

I dont think Hillary or Obama have anything to do with this, so RELH, your antics wont fly in this post. . . This is about saving the republican party not the inevitable infighting of the Democrats, that's pure sophomore politics that any first year runny nosed kid could figure out, but what about the subject of the post, the GOP, this is a real issue and I'd really like to hear from others who have real thoughts on the subject. . .

sonofthesouth · Feb 6, 2008

You have Obama and Hillary and you think were in bad shape? I agree we don't have much of a selection but a good President from your side of the tracks? Chances are slim to none and slim caught one in Vietnam.

Son

huntindude · Feb 6, 2008

Jim what I was saying is if a conservative thinks like liberal and that makes them a liberal then the republican party is losing it's base. I might be one of those, I'm a republican who's sick of the way republicans have been acting. while I'm not impressed with the dems I like some things better, I'll vote for McCain in the pimary since Paul is a dead duck but as I've said before a couple of his stands bother me more than the stands Hillary has I dislike. the republicans may be smart enough to see a more moderate candidate like McCain is their only hope in the general, I doubt it will work but it shows they're getting the message and that's a start on making the party appealing again.

Cornhusker · Feb 6, 2008

I'm going to the Caucus on Saturday and I'm voting for Obama, I'll probably also vote for him in the general election as well as I think he has the momentum and will overtake Hillary. I think the Republican Party will exist but it will not exist on the platform it has held since the 1920's. It will evolve and survive it's evolution even though most of you republicans don't believe in it.

eelgrass · Feb 6, 2008

What kind of puzzles me is that McCain is probably the number 2 guy in the Nation (behind Bush) who supports the war in Iraq. I thought the big issue this election was going to be the war. I thought "everybody" hated the Bush policy? Republicans and Democrats alike. Why is he the likely candidate?

If both parties do "merge" then the concervative ideology will have to look elsewhere. They're not ready to wave the white flag just yet though.

huntindude · Feb 6, 2008

You think Obama will beat Hillary? he very well might, he's surged in the last few weeks I just don't know if he can pass her. I think Hillary would beat McCain in the general, Obama would mop the floor with him. if Obama wins the primary he just as well start packing for his move to the whitehouse, I'll admit that scares me a little.

bigbuckchaser · Feb 6, 2008

As long as the Democratic party is the party of the extreme left and run by Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Ried and The Clintons, America will need an alternative. The farther left they go the farther right the repubs have to go to achieve balance. I hope that true conservative values will re-awaken after this election and the majority of this country(Moderates) will try to bring sanity to the table. If the Dems continue playing NASCAR (Left turn Clyde) then I think there will be an outcry against them, kinda like there has been against the right. I only hope that we all can come together as Americans and do what will be best for this great country. Holy crap, I sound like a damn politician! I will try to be a lot less caustic to my Liberal friends and more understanding. (Hell that hurts just saying it) The next 4 plus years oughta be western!

d13r · Feb 6, 2008

>The GOP will be back, they
>are a necessary part of
>the two party system.
>A young Nixon is out
>there just waiting for his
>chance, which will occur in
>either 4-8 or 12 years.
>It wasn't the party that
>failed it was the leadership
>of Bush that failed the
>party.

cornhusker and I agree on this......GW bush has had the bully puppet for 7 years and has stood around
with both thumbs up his ass and let the liberal media define him and his actions.

JB

gemstatejake · Feb 6, 2008

Dems dont have a prayer. The next pres will have an (R) after his name. Surly as the sun will rise.............

Cornhusker · Feb 6, 2008

I think Obama will win without the kicker of the Super Delegates being thrown in. With the Super Delegates who Hillary is likely to get a great deal of it could change the whole ball game. There is over 700 available it could throw the nomination her way in the convention. Obama has strong states coming. If Hillary gets it I might have to vote my conscience and go with Paul. We have got Obama coming into town tommorrow and his wife on Friday. We have more republicans in Nebraska that are changing to democrats according to the news more than any time in history. Remember we are one of the reddest states. You can actually change at the Caucus, I changed from republican last week.

Gemstatejake you're one of the few political experts that are seeing it that way. maybe you're right.

ClorideRUS · Feb 6, 2008

The original question was, is this the end of the Republican Party? I'm sure the answer to that question is an emphatic no. The Republican Party is redefining it's self to a more centrist conservatism. This all started with Newt Gingrich and his hate based Moral Majority. On top of that enter George junior who completely lost sight of what conservatism is all about plus a totally indefensible war plan. It has been a perfect storm brewing for 8 or more years. What we'll see now is a move by the Republicans to a more reasonable approach to conservative values. We are going to have a Democrat in the White House but I'm fairly sure congress will once again be controlled by the Republicans in two years. At that point perhaps OUR government can once again go about the business of moving this country toward the economic and political stability we once had and certainly deserve. One of these days people are going to wake up and realize that the majority of Americans don't buy into the politics of hatred as spewed by the likes of Rush Limbaugh.

RUS

Cornhusker · Feb 6, 2008

Dude
Obama scared me at first as well but I've read a lot on him the last 3 months. He now scares me less than the other two candidates.

mozey · Feb 6, 2008

As a life-long conservative (not "R") thats been closely following politics since Nixon, I would have gladly cast my vote for the pre-2000 McCain. However, his on-going temper tantrum since the 2000 election coupled with his blatant dishonesty over the last two weeks leaves me without a candidate to vote for. Right now, I have no clue who I'm going to vote for in the general. Probably will be none of the above. Maybe a brutal meltdown is what the GOP needs.

Forthewall · Feb 6, 2008

Eel what is the definition of today's conservative or the conservative movement? I understood what it was 35 years ago, but the current definition seems a little fuzzy.

The description then was: Strong Military, Accountability, Less Government, Strong Economy, Lower Taxes, and Environmental Stewardship.

Now the description starts with: Pro-Life, Appointing Pro-Life Judges, Constitutional Ban on Gay Marriage, Strong Military, etc.

The base core of the GOP has been coexisting with the bible belt republicans since 1979. This leaves the pre-1980's republican base constantly having to compromise within the party between a leader, a pastor, or in some cases both.

The country took the republicans to task after Watergate. The GOP needed party numbers and reached out to the evangelical voters while riding the anti-abortion train.

What we saw Tuesday night was the biggest division I have ever witnessed in the GOP. Clear cut lines, and now republican hate radio as well as FAUX is in full cannibal mode. What we are clearly seeing is that pre-1980's Nixon base pulling away from the religious right.

The pre-80's group (non-bible belt rich white guys 55+) are holding close to McCain out of discontent with those in the religious right. Sad to say but if Mitt was a baptist or a christian he would be walking away with the nomination right now.

McCain's numbers in CA and NY are indicative of the percentage split between core republicans and the religious right. The religious right doesn't trust McCain to go after Roe V Wade or stack more Pro-Life judges on the Supreme Court.

When you hear "Well McCain's too liberal or not conservative enough." That's plain and simple elephant talk for: Won't address Roe V Wade and might not appoint Pro-Life judges.

McCain has promised Huck a position, but after he gets his endorsement it will be bye bye Huck. I have never enjoyed watching Hume and Barnes on Fox more than I do now. I can only hope to see more of Ann Coulter, that little darling.

The oddest thing is I would have voted for McCain in 99. I don't even know who McCain is in 2008.

As for meltdown, Democrats really need to pay homage everyday to George, Dyck, and the fighting 109th. They did to themselves what the Democrats could never do on their own. They managed to turn public politcal sentiment back before Reagan, back to the Watergate days.

202typical · Feb 7, 2008

Guys, GUYS, calm down. We only have ourselves to blame. We elect the bums. We have obviously made some mistakes. Blaming one party or the other does not solve the problem.
American's want their cake and eat it too and we all have a big difference of opinion on just what that cake ought to be.
IO am begging to look at it as whats best for the country rather than what is best for me and mine.
We need to get back to a Stats rights agenda rather than a country wide agenda. If the Fed would leave more responsabilities up to the states we would be a heck of a lot better off.

"Thanks climate PhD 202" - TFinalshot Feb-05-08, 02:16 PM (MST)