Utah's new system

AndymanSavage · Jan 20, 2004

What does everyone think about the new tag allocation in Utah?? (Uniform distribution between rifle, muzz, and bow tags in the limited entry units)

I like it just because I always put in for muzzleloader tags and this will open up alot more tags and units, making my chances better to actually draw a tag.

c3 · Jan 20, 2004

Except, now you will have another 5000 ML300 applicants going into the LE draws. You get twice the permits but 4 times the applicants.

I do like the idea, if the total permit numbers refelct the huge decrease in success that will occur next year. Muzzleloaders success rates are below 60% and Archery success rates are below 20%. This should allow for many more permits than have been given in the past because far fewer bulls are going to be harvested on these hunts.

Additionally there is some talk that the division will actually manage to age objective on all the units. Now 23 of the 26 elk units are above age objective substantially and all are over bull to cow ratio.

This means we could see way more permits when the numbers come out in the spring, but I ain't holding my breath. This is our Utah DWR, after all

Roadtrip · Jan 20, 2004

I'm feeling lucky. My panthers are in the superbowl...and I'm hoping I'll draw a ticket as well as my Utah LE tag. LOL. Actually...I think I have better chances with the superbowl. Lets see...6 season tickets x 9 years = 54 chances at 18% of the stadium capacity vs. the other 40,000 psl ticket owners.

Hmmmm.....what are my odds? Lmao. Utah or the Superbowl?

Ps...No one answered the last time...so I'll try once more...what are the restrictions on Utah Smoke poles? I have Thompson falling block (omega) with 209 primers.

Cheers
Roadtrip

antlerrick · Jan 20, 2004

I think that it will improve the odds on some hunts, and make a few of them worse, as just metioned. I think it will be a good thing in the long run, as it should increase permits and give a lot more of us opportunities, even though the best odds will be with primitive weapons only. That is my choice anyhow, so things may be looking up. If they do try and manage for the age groups they claim they are, there should be more permits available starting this year. I hope they just stick with what they are doing and give it a chance to work!!! It would be nice to see some of the "old timers" draw a LE permit!
Lots of luck to everybody this year!

a*r

2_Point · Jan 20, 2004

c3 - The ML300 guys could apply for both in years past so I don't think that there will be 5,000 more apps.

Anyway, I think the odds of drawing a Muzz tag will be the same as drawing a rifle tag. About 10-15% of rifle apps will now go to the Muz app, which gets 15% of the tags. The bow guys got the best with 25% of the tags and only 10-12% of the overall applicants. But it really does not matter, I'll never draw. 16 years and counting.

Roadtrip- bring your 209s, but leave the Magnifying scope at home.

m1fan · Jan 21, 2004

Roadtrip, one quick word... Patriots

Roadtrip · Jan 21, 2004

followed by another quick word...."Upset"

Cheers
Roadtrip

AndymanSavage · Jan 21, 2004

Roadie,

Yer front stuffer is fine, but like somone said, only 1x scopes are allowed.

B_F_E · Jan 21, 2004

I've been lead to believe the allocation will be 60% rifle, 25 % archery, 15% muzzle.

2_Point · Jan 22, 2004

BFE, That is right. That allocation percentage hurts the rifle and ML guys and helps the archery boys. It will be interesting how the odds will end up.