Bob Marshall Wilderness: Over-Outfitted?

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Anybody on here ever hunt there? Im just curious if its all overhunted or if anybody has ever actually had a good hunt there, on unguided or guided hunts.

My only experience with elking hunting the Bob was on a horse pack in trip in 2002 and the drainage I was in was so crowded with hunters I would have been better off walking somewhere next to home. Most people who ive talked to who that have done a guided hunt in the Bob have told me there are either no elk or small bulls, but its a nice camping trip.

Any different opinions out there? Just for reference there are 55+ outfitters operating in this area.
 
I have never hunted there but on the www.azdeer.org website which is the non-profit Arizona Deer Association website, there is an outfitter that has donated a hunt to us and he is listed under the Banquet Auction Items. He is supposedly very reputable and has a great track record, holler at him........ Allen Taylor......
 
I went to school at the University of Montana in the late 1970's and spent lots of time in the Bob. In fact, I once did a 12 day back pack trip across it. Last I hunted it was in 1992 when I gave a trip away for the Reno Chapter RMEF.

If it is anything like in 1992, the outfitters have pretty much over marketed it. The best elk hunting for real trophy animals is in Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico and Utah. Sure some big boys come out of Montana...but on shear percentages, the genes are alive and well in the other states.

If you are willing to do a wilderness trip, try the area just north and east of Yellowstone. I've taken beautiful bulls out of there and there seems to be good populations. Otherwise, you probably have to get on private lands to get Mr Big.
 
Thanks for the replies. I doubt things have changed for the better in the Bob. Ive lived in Missoula about 8 years and in Darby and Butte before that. Ive been in the Bob a bit, I was just interested if anyone had any better experiences with it than me, or if it is really as overhunted and over outfitted as it seems. Its beautiful country, its a shame the outfitters are overusing it.

JDL, I'd like to see some pics of your yellowstone country bulls if you've got them electronically.
 
I went in there this year and it was pretty crowded. But then again everywhere I went was pretty crowded. I did see some decent stuff but nothing to get to excited about. I did see some great muley bucks during the archery season. I think if you want to do good in there you need to just back pack in three or four miles. I figure this is probably far enough back that you dont get the day hunters and not so far back that you run into the outfitters. Then again I could be wishful thinking, I wont know until next year. I plan on doing a couple trips in there, I'll do one this summer for scouting and great fishing. I was more curious about the muleys during archery season, but I did see enough elk to get my attention. I also plan on hiking into the Missions which arent to far from there. I chassed a couple bulls around in there last year, but again I think I needed to grab a frame pack and my sleeping bag to really get into the good action.
 
I too believe a backpack will get you into big bulls in the Bob, or any wilderness area, better than horses. A horse base camp may be good, but I think the big smart bulls get pushed into really nasty little isolated canyons that are not horse accessible. Might take 4 or 5 hours of busting brush with a backpack to get into a hidey hole that is awesome! just my .02, but I do have personal experience to back it up in other wilderness areas.
 
I've been in the Bob twice, once on a ten day packpacking/fishing trip out of Augusta. Saw lots of Elk near the Wildlife refuge and up towards White River Pass. The guy from the Forest Service I ran into said they all take off towards the refuge once hunting season starts. Went in on horse back out of Ovando past the old Dannaher homesite. Hunted eight hard days and only heard one bull bugle. Lots of Moose and Deer. Dissapointed in that no Elk but love the Bob for scenery and fishing.

ELKCHSR
 
Hey Guys, Wow, after reading these few posts it makes me wonder if I made the right choice! I will be in the Bob on a guided rifle hunt for elk and muley's the second week of Nov. 2004. I'll be hunting area 150. This is a pack-in hunt out of Charlo, thirty miles in, to the South Fork of the Flathead River. Does anyone have any info they give me on this area at that timeframe (nov 7th - nov 16th). I know that the area I'll be hunting was burned in 2003. The Forest service wouldn't even let them set there camps up until Oct 22nd. The outfitter had 100% kill rate on mule deer and 45% on elk for 5 hunters in camp that time last season. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Good Hunting, Larry
 
Hey RockyDog, Excuse my delay in responding. As for my goals on this hunt... How about the next world record Rocky Mountain Elk! Seriuosly, like each one of us I would like to come home with a respectable trophy. My trophy is not the biggest rack on the mountain, just something that represents a successful hunt. I have a nice muley on the wall so my main goal will be a nice Elk. A second muley would also be great. If it all comes together a big tom mountain lion would also be the icing on the cake. Now I know that this is pie-in-the sky high hopes, any one of those would constitute a successful hunt for me. Any comments would be helpful. Good Hunting, Larry
 
Hey RockyDog, My outfitter is Mick Cheff from Cheff Guest ranch & Outfitters. Larry
 
Hey Larry, I bet you have a good hunt, but you never know. I think a guy could kill a "6 point bull" without too much trouble, especially with and outfitter. Its when you start wanting something over say....300. Thats when the Bob might let you down...on the other hand, in the last few years they've taken a handfull of 370-400 bulls outta there....but thats A LOT of hunters working for those few bulls.

As for mulies.....a 24 inch 4X would probably be a good buck. there are bigger, and there are smaller.

Hope you have a great hunt, cant wait for ya to post about next December!! Hope you get a lion too. Will you hang around after deer/elk and hunt them with hounds or did you just get a lion tag for when you were deer and elk hunting?
 
Hornseeker,

The lion tag is a "just in case" tag. My outfitter suggested we have one tag in camp. He always has a lion hound in camp and said if we have snow the odds are real good that we will run across fresh tracks. The muley I have now is a 26 1/2" 4x4 I shot in 2000 hunting out of Forsythe. He's about 135" B&C not to shabby for my first muley. I have a good feeling about this hunt. I have friends that suggested this outfitter and they give him alot of praise. I'll hunt elk primarilly and if that heavy horned muley crosses my path I won't hesitate.

I'll keep reading the posts and jump in occationally. Those with more info on hunting the "Bob" keep the posts coming. You don't see to much about elk hunting in Montana in these threads.

Good Hunting to all
Larry
 
Well, you cant hunt lions with hounds until the deer and elk season is over, so you might be get shamboozled on that one? I dont know.

Good luck for sure. You could kill some nice critters or see nothing, but I know one thing, you'll see some Beautiful country!
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-10-04 AT 09:31AM (MST)[p]Deerhunter, I think Hornseekers been right on with his posts.

Good luck with your hunt. The elk are a little more sparse in the Bob than some other places, but there is no way you cant be impressed with the country and its so big you never know when youll be the lucky one to have that bomber bull walk in front of you.

The lionhound thing doesnt sound legal to me, but after hearing my neighbor's story about his hunt in the Bob last fall it wouldnt surprise me if the outfitter uses the dog anyways. My neighbor ended up camped next to an illegal outfitters camp for a week last year.
 
Hey Guys,
Looks like I'll look further into the lion hound thing before I dish out $300.00 bucks for a lion tag. I feel pretty confident in the reputation of the outfitter I chose for this hunt. His family has had this operation for over 70yrs. I've talked with several people that have hunted with him and they all have had nothing but praise for him and his full operation. Besides, elk is my main concern on this hunt anyway. I'll keep you posted on what I find out
 
Lion chase season doesn't open until deer and elk general season is over! Usually either the 1st or 2nd of December. You can however shoot a loin during general deer and elk season if you have a tag. The odds of seeing a lion during general season are about like seeing the easter bunny... slim to none. If this outfitter is so reputeable why would he break the LAW. I wouldn't jepordize my hunting career buy going with an outfitter who is willing to break this law, who know's what other laws he's willing to break!
 
I think this thread is getting a bit misconstrewed. I'll say again I feel very confident about the integrity of the outfitter that I chose for this hunt. He and his family has outfitted this area for over 70 yrs. It was probably something that I misunderstood concerning hounds in camp. The references I have recieved have been excellent. I am totally convinced that he is a law abiding outfitter!!!
 
If your hunt is at the end of the season, maybe he just meant you could stay a day or two into December and get one that way. I am not trying to implicate any wrong doings, just making you aware that you probably wont be using hounds on a lion during your elk hunt. And like someone else said, dont buy the 300 dollar tag for a chance encounter, unless you have 300 dollars to flush down the toilet.

Good Luck, and keep us posted!
 
After doing further reserch I found out that the Bob has the only region in the state that allows chase of mountian lions with dogs during the general rifle season. So in other words I was wrong, sorry. Your outfitter is indeed correct.
 
The Cheff Guest ranch is a top notch outfitter. Also be sure and have him show you all of the indian items he and his family have been able to collect over the years. Some of that stuff should be in the Smithsonian.
Nemont
 
Hey NeMont,
Thanks for the reply, boy I thought I would never convince the neysayers. I've talked to alot of people that have hunted with Mick and his boys, all say the same as you. I'm looking forward to this hunt. Been planning since Feb 2002. Have you hunted with them and ifso at what camp? I'll be hunting Gordon camp 11/7 thru 11/17 this year. I was unaware of his collection but I'll be sure to check it out. Gotta go.

Good Hunting, Larry
 
Larry I live right down the road from Cheff and everything I have herd has been good. As for the lion thing deffinetly get a tag, last year in there I cow called a lion in. He was only ten foot from me, if I had a tag and a gun ( archery hunting) he would have been done. I'll try to post what I do in there this year before your hunt starts. Rifle elk and muley start on Sept. 15 so you can bet I'll be a hiking machine. That is one of the only over the counter rut rifle hunts that I know of. I will say one thing make sure you bring your snow gear because it gets real nasty in Nov. Anyways good luck and as the scouting and hunting trips go,I'll keep you posted.....Rockdog I never moved up your way ( Kalispell ) atleast it was postponed for a little while, anyways I'd still like to hook up maybe for spring turkey. shoot me an [email protected]
 
Hey Mark, I'm still chuckling after reading your profile. Maybe when I drive in for the hunt you can show me your favorite club! I am so PUMPED about this hunt. What a story about the lion. You helped in my decision on whether or not to get the lion tag. How was the winter on the herd? Should have some lush meadows to feed in after last years fires. All I can hope for is an early spring. Keep me informed on how things are going. E-mail me at... [email protected]
 
Heh Heh....its called Freds, its right off the Kalispel exit leaving Missoula on your way up here!! The snow was pretty spead out this year so the herd should be doing real good. We would get pounded for a few days then it would lighten and get sunny for a week or so before another storm moved in. The herd has quite a bit of area to go to during the winter so no worries there. So far this is an early spring with lots of good showers about once a week. I have flowers blooming at my house and the grass is turning real green. We did get a little snow yesterday but today it was sunny and about 62 out. If things stay this way this should be a great year for horn growth! I'm pretty pumped myself, especially after watching some grazzing this afternoon up on the Bison Range! I'll put your e-mail on my list and keep you informed.
 
I think that when I come thru for the hunt we all should meet at Fred's, unless ya'll prefer the Mulan Roouge type then I'll be see'in ya... Ha Ha!!!
Good Hunting, Larry
 
Personally, the music is too loud at the Rouge, I'll take good old Freds!

You should find out if he's going to bring the hounds in for your hunt or if you are just going to be hoping to stumble upon one. Beardowns experience is beyond rare, I wouldn't count on it anymore than winning powerball if you buy a ticket when you come out.

Good luck and keep us posted (or hell, maybe we'll seeya at "the club".
 
Too Loud!? Id willingly go deaf for the eyecandy.

Look for me at the Rouge, I will be the guy by himself with JohnDeere cap, greasy hair, buckteeth, and a handfull of rolled up $1s.
 
You guys crack me up!!! Hey Hornseeker, already confirmed that the hounds are in camp regardless. Beardowns experience is a once in a lifetime thing that is out of this world. I don't plan on a lion but if it happens it will be the frosting on the cake. Gotta go.
Peace, Larry
 
Yeah that was a once in a lifetime thing....leave it to me to come up empty handed! I personally would carry a tag anyways.....I do like the Moulan to!!! I went there on my birthday with this chick I met down in Lolo, she works there!!! YES!!!! She is only a waitress but she found me the best lap dancer in the place and bought one for me! YES!!!!! I cant wait to hit the lotto so I can go back!! I like Freds because its right on my way home, thats the only reason I go in there, that and to check out some cheap SCANK!!!!Lol.....
 
Anybody have any info on Skyline outfit at wilderness lodge
any info on Pagoda wilderness I have a tag in there and hired this guide to hunt with for elk and deer any info would be appreciated
 
Rockydog, Which One?

Deerhunter, Cool man, I hope you get a chance to chase a cat with the hounds. I"ve been hunting with hounds since I was 8 years old, its a kick.

Beardown, if she's from Lolo she must be skanky! I see pretty much everything here and there ain't much!!! But hell, if she bought you a lap dance, what more can you ask for!!!!!
 
Hornseeker, actually it doesn't matter where she is from, if she is with Beardown she is SKANKY........
 
HAHAHAHA....They are all pretty when I'm drunk!!! If you think they are scanky in Lolo try comming up to Charlo or Ronan! These girls make the girls in Lolo look like church girls!!
 
Ronan is skankier, hands down. But last years Charlo prom queen still had 3 teeth.

Beardown, did you ever get out on your big trip?
 
I see your post is a little aged but your hunt is drawing nearer every day. I did a quick glance over some of the replys but not all of them. I outfitted in the Greatbear/Bob Marshall Willderness areas for about 18 years before moving to Alaska. I still return there about every other year for either a buglt hunt or a winter range hunt. I kept my camps up in the Bob for about 7 months of the year while outfitting there. I doubt you'll ride a drainage there that I have not. The area your heading to can be really great for elk/bear as well as mule deer. If your camp is in far enough you should not be over whelmed with others. A good days ride (18 to 20 miles) should get you past the locals that own stock, which I would guess could be mistaken by some for outfitters. I've had no trouble finding quite drainages to hunt as well as plenty of dandy bulls in many different locations in the Bob. I found that over the years that most hunters that came through my camps started out with about a fifty fifty chance of getting a bull. The hunters capabilities changed those odds from there.It can be difficult country to make your way around in so being in the best of shape when you get there is a huge plus. The guides your outfitter hires this year will also factor in. If you get a lazy dead beat guide dump him, Let him be your stock jocky. Get to a ridge over a good basin and let him take your stock back down and pick you up along the trail while you walk out a few good looking basins.. Just take your GPS so you can way point your kill. In short don't let the luck of the draw with a guide amoung the best of outfitters hamper your hunt. As late in the season as you are going will effect things as well. You'll want heavy snows in the high country to push the elk down, It kinda bunches them up in the lower country and makes tracking a breeze. The bulls will be back hanging with the cows then for the first time since the rut was over. If it's still mild weather the nicer bulls will be broke off from the cows and roaming around quite often in groups of two or three. Always seems to be a couple smaller bulls with a larger one for some reason so look close if you see a rag horn bull milling about, chances are he is not alone. Don't wast alot of time if you see small herds of cows, Most often just spikes hang out with them before the heavier snow falls. The muleys will be on the move for the east side of the mountains by then, They will be less prdictable than normal so they could show up anywhere. I'd stick to looking for a bull and hunt the deer by chance. You guys pay alot of money for these hunts and you should get the most out of it regaurdless of the pitfalls one may fall into with the different outfitters. Next time you go to book a hunt with an outfitter there is one great question to ask to find out what kinda camp your dealing with. Ask for at least three refrences from hunters that booked with them their previous year that DID NOT kill elk. A guy that takes home the elk of his dearms could have eaten peanut butter sandwiches and slept in a wet tent for ten days and still tell you he had a great time. I have a Montana hunting gallery and a Bob Marshall Wilderness gallery on my home page if ya just wanna look at some purty pictures. I hope your hunt is the greatest, best of luck to you.

~Jeff~

Note: The late season hunters some times find themselves with guides that have been in the woods for three to six months working their tails off and they may be burnt out. The only thing on there minds might be getting the camps torn down and going home in just a week or two. Just beware.
 
Taqukaq, i checked out your homepage. Great site. Looks like youve done some great hunts in alaska and montana. Alot of the pictures from montana looks like they might be pretty old? Do you think the hunting has changed alot in the Bob?
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-21-04 AT 02:12PM (MST)[p]Yes I know it's changed. The deer and black bear quality and numbers have fallen off and the Elk numbers has grown considerably over the last 20 years. I know the deer and elk can be competeing for the same graze so with the deer population down for whatever reason that may be the elk have more graze which would accout for the numbers swing. Healthier elk will make more calves and so on. The Griz population has sky rocket since they closed the seasonal hunt. I don't know what effect that has had on the black bears but Grizzlys have never seemed to like to share their territory so maybe they have run the black bears off from the higher country that the Griz seems to find so desirable, But thats a long shot. With the wolf reintroduction that is very active in northwest Montana right now could be playing a strong roll in the deer numbers falling off. The mulys are easy prey on the winter ranges. I have noticed an increase in hunters but only in the easy to reach spots. The population of the commuities surrounding the wilderness complexs there has grown so there are more and more locals finding their way into the back country. They genrally go for areas that are 10 to 12 miles in with ample graze for their stock so they don't have to pack feed. A guy just has to push in deeper and make a few trips to get his horse feed in and the quality of his hunt will prosper. So thats my two cents worth what ever the value may be.
~Jeff~
 
Taqukaq, i finally had a chance to look at all your pictures. Man you have covered that country from east to west like crazy. all the way over into sun river country on skis. And you got to hunt grizzlies. You really experiences the good old days in there. Must have been something to hunt griz. Whats the biggest elk you ever saw/took in that country?
 
I'd say lower to mid 300's are really good bulls for the Bob. Only seen a few taken that were over that. I've see a few huge ones that come out of that sunriver herd. The camps I use now are right on the preserve line. They have a stronger gene pool there for pretty well balanced horns. I have taken a few 7x7 bulls that all looked like brothers from the same area there. A lot of the bulls at the age that would produce a run of the mill 5x5 set of horns in other areas are very well balanced 6x6's with less mass in that area. When I pack into there now I let all that go with me know I will not pack out a bull thats not a 6x6 with heavy horns. It's just to far to go for a meat hunt. I don't think the Bob Marshall would be the palce to go for a person thats got his heart set on killing a record book bull. But the chance may come about. I think the varity of game available and the odds of killing a decent bull make it a fine place to plan for a enjoyable hunt. The ski photo with the herd of elk behind me was taken while picking up sheds there. I go back every march for that event. I go and ride out the boundry country of the sunriver from the west side in late August after I get done working here in Alaska. I get in some great bugle time and see a good amount of bulls most every year. When I hunt there, its from the west side as well. I don't care for the late hunt on the east side around sun canyon when they come out to the winter range, way to many people to deal with there.

~Jeff~
PS: I hope to see the day we get a griz season back in Montana, It's needed.
 
Thanks for info. It sounds like getting an elk out of the country is a real effort. I know of some guys that have been using horses to go in for the sheds where you talking about for quite a few years. Im guessing you must run into them or compete with them some. That shed hunting has turned into quite a race. Do you think most of the elk winter on the east slope, or do some of them migrate or stay in the flathead country? I would think not of all them migrate east.
 
For the shed hunting, I ski in before they can get stock in. Most the larger bulls have already dropped by then. I will usually see as few rag horn bulls and spikes still toting horns. I would say about the time I ski out a week or so later you could push stock through the drifts. I ride back in later and pack out my stash of horns. The only other guys I have ever seen there are out of the triple "J" outfitters camp. They just walk in for a day trip now and again. As far as the elk/winter thing, There are many smaller areas spread through out the wilderness area that hold elk all winter. I have flown over the area In Jan./Feb. just counting elk in different locations along the upper Middle fork as well as the South fork of the Flathead. Winter Creek, a tribe to the Middle fork about 40 miles up river from hwy2 is a dandy place with a good amount of elk every winter. I've hunted the last week there many years it's just a #@%$ to pack out of at that time of year. I do belive Snowy Springs Outfitters from Kalispell could be hunting that area the last week of season now. He has a camp on Calbic creek just down river from there. He use to just hunt Lunch Creek (about 11 miles up from hwy2) at the end of season. A quick call to him or the Hungrey Horse ranger station would tell you if he's there or not if one was thinking of planning ah hunt there. well back to work for me, have a good one..
~Jeff~
 
That is an incredible photo album! Its good to hear a perspective on the Bob from someone that has really been there and done that! You are saying what I have believed all along. Lots of people complain about the Bob being too crowded. I bought the wilderness map two years ago and have only looked at the bob from the rim a few times, but there is NO WAY its too crowded. Too big and too tough.

14 days in Rocky, what do ya think!? (cant be this year though...sorry!)

Hey Jeff, did you like hunting the later general season better or the early bugle season?

Also, some of those griz look to have huge heads, any score high?
 
Thanks for the complement on the photos. As far as the Bob having too many outfitters goes, the way I understand they have had the same amount of permit's for years, The only way to get a outfitters permit there is to buy a exisiting camp from an outfitter and then you and only you have the right to apply for that paticular permit. An outfitter has to reapply every year for his permit from the forest service. Some permits come with more than one camp I had five under one permit. One base camp and four spike camps. I was not allowed to use all of them at one time. Some were for early season some for late. I know of a few spike camps that they have closed over the years. If an outfitter does not use a spike camp for a few years he can lose the right to have the camp under Forest Service policy. Some outfitters have bought up many camps, This lowers the number of outfitters Forest Service has to manage so they like this. The outfitters gain these new camps "Use Days" which is the only way they can run more hunters. A good camp could come with anywhere from say...300 to 800 "Use Days" So this again limits the outfitters, 10 hunters for 10 days equal 100 "Use Days". So in short any increased activity in these willderness areas is most likely to be private parties, witch have little to no regulations to deal with. Know that I have bored you to death with outfitter trivia.. There is nothing that compairs to a great bugle hunt if one hit's it right. The bugle can variy time wise so a guy would have to be hunting for say up to 30 days to know he is going to catch the peak of the bugle. The late season hunt can be more perdictable. The last week of season elk should be on the winter ranges. A warm or no snow year can keep that from happening as well. So take you pick. I like them both. If you can go for the rut and if you don't get your bull go back when the snow flies....
Neither of the Grizzly's in my Montana hunting gallery were book animals. The larger of the two measured 7'2" from nose to tail. I scored the skull but can't recall the numbers, He's at home sitting on shelf. he was shot with a 300 win mag, the range was 15 feet, but thats another story.. Have a great day.

~Jeff~
 
Matbe someone can tell me some info
I,m going to the BOB on 9\11\04 and start hunting on 9\13\04 my buide is Cameron Lee from skyline outfit , we are hunting in the PAGODA wilderness
does anybody know how good or bad is this area and any info on the guide
I would appreciate any info
thanks
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-25-04 AT 04:05PM (MST)[p]Pagoda Wilderness??? Naqukaq, any ideas?

I'd love to hear the griz tale too. I have killed lots of bears at that range, but never a GRIZ!

Another question....on the map, it shows trails all over the place. BUT, there are a ton of drainages, relatively small drainages like 3-7 miles long, that don't have trails. Is it your experience that most of these HAVE some sort of horse trail into them? I would hope not, cause that usually ensures I am going to be in there alone! Might have some nasty backpacking to get one to the horse trail, but its all good!
 
Skyline Outfitters, Cameron Lee. He's been around for years. He hunts the Bob Marshall Willderness on the South Fork of the Flathead river up stream from Hungrey Horse resivor. I do belive you will find yourself at his camp on Pagoda creek and possibly hunting Pagoda Mountain. The area is good and alot of folks know it. I am sure he has some spike camps that will get you away from the crowds. He's had a good name and has been a member of the Montana Outfitters asso. for many years. Enjoy your hunt and good luck....
 
I don't know what map you looking at. The Forest Service map/North Half Flathead National Forest has been changing over the years. They have stopped clearing some trails in the spring and removed them from the map. I'd get as old a copy of that one as a guy could find. It's a good map to find your way around with while in the area. Many of the creeks shown on that map as well as the USGS topo's that have no maintained trails are steeper or just deadend so to speak. I think we all know that ever creek like every ridge has a game trail that follows it. As for taking a horse up them I'd have to say that depends on the horse ;-) And the rider. I've found myself,with the right horse under me that I can go just about anywhere I really wanna go. I spend very little time on forest service trails except getting to and from a main trail head to pack in or out. But to truly answer your question, The main line trails up the larger creeks and rivers are hit pretty hard. As you follow up the trib's that feed these rivers and creeks the traffic falls off. The creeks with out any shown trails that may go up to put you into a high basin or such is where you wanna be and chances are slim you'll meet up with anyone. As a rule of thumb if your hunting with stock and head up a smaller drainage, tie up your stock where anyone else coming up the same drainage will have to go past them to get in. This will let others know your already there and they may find another drainage to hunt for the day. If you run any topo software that will let you add waypoints or routes to your maps I would be happy to share some areas with you. I have alot of different mapping software but pretty much run DeLorme Topo 4.0 and 5.0 most the time.
 
Jeff,

I've been following this thread to the end. First off, you have got a heck of a hunting past. Second, that photo album was AWESOME! Good luck with your web site. You have a nack for writing, and your hunting speaks for itself. If you were still guiding in the Bob,you would be my man!
 
Hey, Im from Missoula as well. i have hunted in the Bob before and the elk are definately in there, when i was in there was in november just after the first snow hit, the game trails were unbelievable and you could just about follow the herd straight to the blackfoot-clearwater game range where they winter. my dad used to be a cook for a guide named steve copenhaver and many big bulls are taken out of there every year.
 

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