Was it really about the 10% cap??? I dont believe it

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I stil say it had a lot more to do with the very costly bonus point. USO didnt have as much grounds to stand with the bonus point rule so they went after this instead. Either one would help them get more clients drawn. Look at it this way, USO has a tag drawing service and if they didnt get that extra 113$ from the client they didnt get that bonus point. I Myself will say the bonus point price is a load of crap, and never had a problem with the 10% cap.
I didnt care less about the 10% and am willing to wait my turn to draw in any state but i think its out of line to make nonres flip bills by paying 113$ when they dont even hunt there that year and the resident guy will already have his cost covered on any other hunting he will do. I dont think AZ residents are that poor that they cannot afford more that what they are paying for thier tags to cover some F&G expenses.
I have friends in AZ who admit they think its wrong too, and agree on both accounts that AZ had some of this coming and didnt do anything to head it off.
Nonres hunters are not to blame, its one outfitter and the guys who think its just dandy that a big shot outfitter pushes things like outfitter preference in his own state and none of the NM residents didnt speak up that its not fair to allow rich outfitter clients better chances to draw tags. Well we all have ourselves to blame for not shouting out that we need to keep tradition and ethics in hunting, not money and big shot outfitters that lobby to get thier way.
Who is willing to form up and fight back against this guy. Start voicing your opinion against any outfitter preference in any state, Mostly NM where this guy does most of his work. Its amazing how the double standard works when he says its discrimination to put a nonres cap but worked a outfitter preference in his own state. Whats up??
 
You really bring up good points. I just wonder why g&f didn't bother to ask any input from the public on this? Why didn't they settle this in 2000 when they had a better chance??
I am all for forming a fight against things like this. Always have been. But where do you start from here? Do we sue New Mexico now because they are price gouging their land owner tags there??? It is a double standard with him....and I would love to stop this from happening anywhere else. Anyone else interested????
Arizona is next with outfitter preferences....just wait. Nevada has almost already rolled over to this guy....so who is next??? The gloves need to come off now, it is time to quit being nice and watch someone else raise their voice, we all need to scream and be heard.
 
Nate: Nevada is done already but most dont know that. Wyoming has been filed against a couple days ago. I have info from a commissioner in Nevada and it isnt pretty. What we can do now is go to the meeting and support our non-profit wildlife groups that can organize the money/resources to help minimize the fallout....This is affecting other states and it irks me that more people (non-residents) dont see this as a stepping stone for their state. Utah comes to mind, many deer they shoot and AZ hunters shoot come from the same herd. I would think someone from Utah would want their voice heard........ Allen Taylor......
 
Well I would hope more are worried about outfitter preference rather than a cap. Like i said, the nonres hujters are not the blame, its the likes or the residents and nonresidents that think its fine to let outfitters make all the rules in a state. I hope you AZ guys now have enough common sense to see this and fight any outfitter preference if it is proposed. The nonres guys who do not use outfitters are not to blame, its the guys who use the likes of USO. Dont punish the real hunters who do it themselves
 

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