The Perfect Bullet ?

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I've had great luck with the interlock on game for years. this turns a proven game bullet into a bullet that will give Berger a run in long range performance but offer more reliable expansion.

Now I have 1 question, are they going to shoot? the nosler LRAB was a disappointment. I can't wait to find out . and I hope a .277 one will be out soon as well.

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LAST EDITED ON Dec-23-15 AT 05:24PM (MST)[p]I'm looking to try the 6.5mm 143gr in my new build once it's done. Hornady did a great job developing this bullet. I watched the gunwerks guys and hornady development team take some antelope with the new bullets. Pretty impressive kills.
Hopefully Bryan litz will test these bullets soon and we can find out some actual bc numbers.
 
I will be trying some 200s in my 300 win mag and the 143s in my 6.5x284. If they shoot they will be as close to perfect as you can get IMO?
 
Hornady has had a longrange bullet for awhile. Lot's of guys like the A-Max. I suppose the new tip thing will sell them a lot of bullets though. The tv show oughta help too. Did wonders for Berger. mtmuley
 
I've recovered the plastic tips from Barnes, Ballistic Tips and AccuBond bullets in game and they are damaged through impact but not "melted" away. I've also shot some impressive groups out to 750 yards with the tipped bullets and the actual drop corresponds well with ballistic programs based on actually velocity and BC. IF the tip is slightly melting in flight, I suspect it's incrementally very small based on the billions that have been successfully launched.

I'm still wondering if Hornady has created a solution for something that isn't a problem.... but it looks like they'll sell more bullets... maybe even some to me.

We all talk ballistic coefficient like it's the most important thing when in fact it is not... when it comes to hunting big game. If we study ballistics we find there's a balance between BC and velocity and while both are somewhat important, independently they're not the end-all for shooting big game at distance.

I'm sure Hornady has done their Doppler tests and perhaps what they say has some merit but I've never heard them quantify their findings. Their new bullets do have a higher than normal BC so tip melting or not, they should shoot flatter and have less wind-drift... depending on the balance with velocity.

I'm not ready to scrap all my "old" bullets yet.

Just my 2 cents,
Zeke
 
I'll add this:
there's a lot to like about the new Hornady bullet design even if the damn tip isn't really any better.
Some might have to make the trip from tube to target in my rifles!
Zeke
 
>looks like it won't do anything
>the Accubond doesn't already. Except
>for that non melting tip.
>mtmuley


You mean like pencil holeing through game like accubonds do??? I seen enough of that out of accubonds this year to know I won't be shooting them....
 
You are in the minority. How do you know they "pencil holed"? Cartridge? Game? Velocity? Pic maybe? But if you have a pic, the critter must be dead. mtmuley
 
Lol!!!! I knew I could get you going with that.... I've been a nosler fan fo 30 yrs. but seriously this year I didn't have a good expiriance with the accubonds. Nosler Trophy Grade in 270 WSM 150gr. published velocity 2960
1 cow elk 250yds 3 shots 2 in the boiler room and one high shoulder she went 80 yds very little blood to follow.
1 buck antelope 300yds 1 shot went 60yds no blood to follow
4 mule deer bucks
First one my nephews not all great shots but still hits 5 shots buck was at 120yds he went another 80 to 100yds with little to no blood to follow.
Second one my brothers buck at 250yds quartering away enter behind last rib exited in front of onsite shoulder buck went 120+ yds down hill with little blood to follow had to shoot him again at point blank range in his bed.
Third buck mine 480yds farthest shot high shoulder dropped in his tracks by the time we got to where the buck was found little blood where he rolled 40yds but no blood again searched for 6hrs and never found him. This is the one that baffles me...
Fourth buck friends.270 Win. 320yds boiler room traveled 60-80yds very little blood to follow.
All of these animals had very little internal damage. No I do not have picture of the shot placement and damage I wish looking back on it that I did.
This not a bash Nosler post like I said I've been a Nosler fan for a long time. I just did not have a good expiriance this year with Accubonds.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-24-15 AT 12:53PM (MST)[p]One more thing yes 5 of the 6 animals were dead but very little blood to track.
 
That sucks. Just the opposite for me. Used them since the day they were available in a RUM, and in other rifles since. Next year we'll be talking about what's wrong with the Hornady. I just don't see anythoing in their new bullet to get exited about. mtmuley
 
The perfect bullet????
90 gr. .243
110 gr. .257
160 gr. .284
200 gr. .308

ACCU-BOND..flat wrecks critters.




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I just wish they had gone with a shorter bearing surface and a longer nose like the A Max. This one will have to be seated deeper which will eat up case capacity, especially in short action rounds, plus the longer bearing surface means more bore friction and less velocity. Still should be a pretty good bullet.

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The critters have to win every time. I only have to win once.
 
My best accuracy is with Hornady bullets....but I'm not a long range shooter neither....out to 400yds they work fine for me...my favorite is the 52grain HPBT for my 220 swift...its a tack driver...
 
The standard accubond isn't close to the ELD's BC , and I can't make the LRAB shoot . so it's apples and Tuesday.

I have total confidence in the interlock bullet, it's just a matter of how they shoot. the more popular the Berger bullets get around here the more horror stories I'm hearing. I'd like to find an alternative.










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Lengthy article about the new bullets in American Rifleman, which read to me like a 5 page commercial. The field data from hunters, competition shooters and reloaders will tell if these will live up to the hype. The data in AR shows mild gains in velocity, and less bullet drop, but it was an inch or two less over longer distances.

I don't care if the meplat is melting due to air friction, as long as it's melting consistently. Until the jury comes back in, I'll stick with what I've been using.
 
That's the point. I'm not happy with what I'm using in my long range gun. hunters are coming to the conclusion a jacketed hollow point isn't the ideal big game bullet. what a surprise.











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>That's the point. I'm not happy
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>my long range gun.
>hunters are coming to the
>conclusion a jacketed hollow point
>isn't the ideal big game
>bullet. what a surprise.
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Baloney. Bet you don't see serious LR guys giving up what they use and flocking to the Hornady. The Bergers have a HUGE fan base. And how many regular hunters will need it anyway? Mostly none, but they'll buy it. mtmuley
 
They just hit the market. you think shooters are going to dump out their Bergers and switch to ELD's before they can get their hands on them? and at this point you can only get a few weights in 3 calibers. get real .

Gunwerks seems like they might be going that way. and they're seriopus LR guys. does that mean they're all knowing and right? probably not. but they know more than you .

I asked if these might be the perfect LR bullet, I didn't say they are. if they're not, then the pefect LR bullet still does not exist .











Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
Gunwerks helped develop and test these bullets with hornady. They are a great new bullet and I will try some in my new build. You can watch the gunwerks crew hunt antelope with them on their you tube. Pretty solid performance from the bullets! If they don't group or perform well on game I will use Berger vld hunting.
 
Davidson has used a number of bullets. Whoever provides the sweetest deal I bet. 440, just wondering why you need the perfect LR bullet. mtmuley
 
I think its a good thing when new products come out . It gives us something to experiment with . Are the ELD's better ? Who knows . If you're interested in them , give em a try , If you aren't , then don't .
 
Why would I want the perfect long range bullet? better question is why would you not want it? if I can get a bullet that shoots like a Berger but performs on game like an interlock, I want it.


We'd still be hunting with spears and clubs if good was always good enough.
















Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
>Why would I want the perfect
>long range bullet? better
>question is why would you
>not want it? if
>I can get a bullet
>that shoots like a Berger
>but performs on game like
>an interlock, I want it.
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>We'd still be hunting with spears
>and clubs if good was
>always good enough.


No one can argue with that logic, 440!

We're always looking for something better in our rigs. Some think they've found it but they're delusional and willing to chase accuracy at the expense of marginal performance on game.

This new bullet has all the earmarks of a great shooting bullet and an excellent design for taking game cleanly.

I'll probably give them a whirl.

Perfect? I think there is no such thing.

Zeke
 
Keep an eye open on the advancement of non lead bullets. Starting in 2019 only non lead bullets will be legal for all hunting in California. I've made the switch.
 
Right now I'm using factory Hornaday GMX ammo. For me they are the most accurate I've ever shot. I'm no Craig Boddington, so I don't have a lot of results from killing a ton of animals but the two I have killed were very satisfactory. I didn't recover either bullet but both dropped in their tracks and very little meat loss which tells me they held together. One pronghorn and one blacktail.
 
I am wanting to try those ABLR's in 210, but I am hearing half the guy's can't get them to group and the other half seem to be getting good results...Is it a matter of finding the sweet spot or are they a handful to get to work to expectation? I will be using a 30" tube in 30-378 with a 1-10 twist.
 
It's about a 50/50 proposition whether or not you get the LRAB's to shoot for you. To name a few, me, uncle sage and 440 couldn't get them to shoot in several rifles but some guys can.
The regular AB seems to be an awesome bullet and an excellent shooter. I've used them on paper to 800 and on game to ....well, damn far with one shot results.
The new Hornady better be a helluva slug for me to change.
The 200 AB out of my RUM is pure magic!!!
Good luck with the 210's. They might be a winner for you.
Zeke
 
I"m one of the guys that got them to shoot. Used them one year and went back to the "regular" Accubond. Would you be interested in a heavy high BC mono? mtmuley
 
>I"m one of the guys that
>got them to shoot. Used
>them one year and went
>back to the "regular" Accubond.
>Would you be interested in
>a heavy high BC mono?
>mtmuley


Why did you switch back to the Reg Accubond? Better results with your rifle? What mono are you thinking?
 
>I"m one of the guys that
>got them to shoot. Used
>them one year and went
>back to the "regular" Accubond.
>Would you be interested in
>a heavy high BC mono?
>mtmuley

mtmuley,
The 168 TTX Barnes shoot like a laser in my RUM but you were probably referring to a mono with a higher BC than that.
As you know, heavier, higher BC monos are LONG and might pose twist/accuracy, powder intrusion issues... but that's only hearsay since I don't use them. Might be worth a try since the 180 TSX's shoot like a champ in my 300 Win.
Good luck,
Zeke

PS: like the other poster asked; why the move away from the LRAB's if they were working for you?
 
The LRAB didn't give me any real advantage. I also shot a bull at about 80 yards and didn't care for the performance. I've killed a bunch of animals with the 200 grain. Near and far. Check out www.hammerbullets.Com One of the owners is a very good friend of mine. mtmuley
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-05-16 AT 04:16PM (MST)[p]Very unique, similar to TSX design but yet I can spot many interesting differences.
I know the TSX is known as a penetrator not a popper. ie: has controlled expansion and deep penetration. It would be interesting to know how the Hammers work in comparison to Barnes.
Please report on how they work on game if you get around to trying them out this coming Fall.
Might be a good one!
Zeke
 
MT
Are you gonna be shooting the hammer bullets this season? I've been talking to Steve a lot and may try some in my 243 this season.
 
Those look interesting..My rifle loved the 180 TSX. I tried the LRX 200gr and struggled to get them to shoot, but it was right at the end of my throat life...Was hoping to shoot some heavier bullets with a higher BC with my new barrel and was banking on the new LR Accubonds in 210gr... If they do not shoot, I guess I could sell the 500 LR Accubonds I purchased and try the 200gr Accubonds or the new ELD-X. My shots are for the most part 350-550yds..I did load some BT's in 180gr a long time ago and didn't like the performance up close either. (Within a 100 yds.)Since that time I have read 100's of posts and articles on high speed frangible projectiles and the best case scenario for bullet construction at high speeds..and for that matter low speeds...Mono's will most likely become the norm for hunting with the lead haters getting more vocal. They just get so darn long when you go up in weight.
 

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