GRASS FOR ACCESS: If your livestock grazes on public lands, then the public should be allowed access to those same lands.

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GRASS FOR ACCESS: If your livestock grazes on public lands, then the public should be allowed access to those same lands.

Wouldn't this be the basis for a simple solution to gather public support for continued grazing on public lands, as well as a way to restore or establish or maintain access for sportsmen? Leaseholders on State and Federal grazing leases, should be required to provide permitted, licensed, hunters and fisherman access to those same public lands.. Not to say that public could hunt the private sections, posting and maps can help this, but access should be permitted across those private sections to the same landlocked public lands the grazing leases allow private livestock to graze on.

Maybe just access for the specific hunting season or game unit season. just like the cattle only have a few months to graze on the public lands... but a seasonal open access is better than no open access.

Maybe just the parties that have a tag-holding member in the party.

Maybe just the tag holder himself, with no guides (dificult and maybe impossible but wouldnt that be sweet?)

Maybe just state residents to state land, but all US citizens to Public land? not sure of implications there.

Maybe require a state drivers license or ID along with the hunting license to be verified to obtain access, or to post the hunting license number on the public access checkin station?

Rnachers want special compensation? perhaps they are not quite awake to their lack of true ownership to the public lands they want compensation for?

Maybe a six-mile maximum lockout distance, so that private landrights are maintained, but we see more and more money buying and locking up access to the big ranches, which are often more public land than private, but the only access historically was on roads that were not fully public or recorded acess roads.. now the single gate closes all public access to historically open public lands.

Now I am all for leaving it up to the lease conditions and the game and fish dept or USFS or BLM or STate Land Dept arrangements with the rancher whether to allow for FOOT ACCESS ONLY< no vehicles, or ATV's or even horses. Of course if he is using vehicle access actoss the publis lands then maybe that allows him to sell rights for horse or venicle or ATV access, since they require gates to pass through fences. I am sure there are lots of reasons against this proposal, but there may also be lots of reasons for it.. and for every problem, maybe someone can come up with a solution?

Opinions?
 
RE: GRASS FOR ACCESS: If your livestock grazes on public lands, then the public should be allowed access to those same lands.

LAST EDITED ON Sep-06-04 AT 02:32PM (MST)[p]Here in NM, if you hold a valid hunting license for a particular species and the hunting season is on and you have a legal access route, a leaseholder/permittee can not keep you from accessing either state or federal land. As for federal land, he cannot keep you out period. Where are you having trouble with this?
 
RE: GRASS FOR ACCESS: If your livestock grazes on public lands, then the public should be allowed access to those same lands.

"and you have a legal access route"

My issue is what constitutes a legal access route?

In Colorado, most of the valley bottoms are private, and the high country is public national forest or BLM. all the roads go along the river bottoms.

True, if a person could hopskipjump the checkerboard corners, then access could be legal, but the cows dont have to jump over section corners, adn hunters should not either.

A thread heron regarding the boqullla ranch nad the checkerboard state lands in Arizona shows relevance as well.

I used to hunt on the public lands in and around the 1896 ranch near Klondike north of Wilcox.. locked up last times there.

witness the trespass fees charged in Colorado for access over private land to access public land on ranches such as the old Cross Mountain Ranch, etc.
 
RE: GRASS FOR ACCESS: If your livestock grazes on public lands, then the public should be allowed access to those same lands.

I am for it. If you hold gazing permits to public land, you have to give access to the public in general, not just hunters. Only applies if there is no other ROAD access to the public land.

As you stated, a landowner can't deny access to public land at any time, only access through his property.

I think you are on to something. If the landowner wants to keep the grazing rights to the public land, he has to provide a public access.

After all, the landowner is making a fortune giving people tresspass through his property to access public. Not really fair.

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
RE: GRASS FOR ACCESS: If your livestock grazes on public lands, then the public should be allowed access to those same lands.

Be careful about the section corner jumping. Leo Sheep v USA went to the Supreme Court along with other suits after appeal. The corner is infinate and contstitutes trespass according to the court.

I see your point though.
 
RE: GRASS FOR ACCESS: If your livestock grazes on public lands, then the public should be allowed access to those same lands.

If a person controls airspace for corner jumping, then the airlines owe me a few bucks indeed!! just kind of hard to know exactly where the corner is, and it does not work with a fence line, cause this old hunter can not jump a t-post anymore!!
 
RE: GRASS FOR ACCESS: If your livestock grazes on public lands, then the public should be allowed access to those same lands.

You'd have to get Gale Norton on board to get access to the land. It is BS that they can lock folks out of public land and still use it for themselve's.

Dont look for the CO DOW to do anything though, ranchers own the commission. They'll pay millions for fishing access easements, but hunting forget it. Look at our worthless Walk-In program for pheasants
 

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