Wolves on the north Yellowstone Elk Herd

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Gardiner late elk hunt to be cut

By SCOTT McMILLION, Chronicle Staff Writer
HELENA -- The winter elk hunt in Gardiner will be cut from 1,180 hunters
to 148 hunters, mirroring the steady downward spiral of the Northern
Yellowstone elk herd, the Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks Commission
decided here Thursday.

The hunt is likely to be discontinued altogether in the future, said Kurt
Alt, FWP regional wildlife manager.

"It's probably going to go away," he said.

He cited the heavy density of wolves in and near the park, coupled with
other predation, as a reason for cutting the hunt by more than 90 percent
by January, 2006.

The northern Yellowstone herd hit a peak of about 19,000 animals in 1994.
The next year, wolves were reintroduced and elk have been on a steady
decline ever since.

"It's just one more mouth to feed," Alt said of the wolves.

As recently as 2000, FWP offered more than 2,800 tags for the late hunt,
which aimed to harvest mostly female elk that migrated out of Yellowstone
National Park.

"We expect to observe less than 8,000 elk during this December's count,"
Alt said. "Wolf lovers will have a hard time accepting that wolves are
having such an impact."

He noted that in 1968, when the National Park Service stopped culling elk
inside the park, there were about 4,000 elk there. By 1975, the year the
late hunt commenced, the number had climbed to 12,000. In those years,
there were no wolves, about half as many grizzly bears as there are
today, and a lot fewer lions, Alt noted.

He said that, with the abundance of predators in and near the park, he
fears that "one bad winter" could drop the elk herd to the 1968 level and
the smaller herd would then face all those predators.

Critics of wolf reintroduction have pointed to reduced elk numbers for
years and blamed wolves for them.

Now it turns out they're right, at least partly.

Recent studies in Yellowstone have shown that 70 percent of elk calves
die from predators by the end of September of their first year.

Bears, both black and grizzly, account for about 60 percent of the calves
that die in the first few weeks of their lives in the jaws of predators.
After the calves become more mobile, wolves begin killing more of them
and bears kill fewer, the studies show.

Springtime counts over the last three years have shown that between 12
and 14 calves per hundred cows have remained alive through the first year
of their life.

A calf/cow ratio of about 20 is needed for a herd to sustain itself, Alt
told the commission.

FWP commission chairman Dan Walker asked him if he expected to see that
level reached within the next 10 years. Alt said "no."

The commission also approved Montana's statewide elk plan, which focuses
on ways for people to harvest more elk, if necessary. Unlike the area
just north of the park, most elk hunting districts in the state contain
more elk than guidelines call for, leading to landowner complaints.

It's possible that some districts could be limited to antlerless elk
only, in efforts to reduce populations.

Alt said he is not concerned about wolves causing similar big drops in
elk numbers in other parts of the state.

It hasn't happened in northwest Montana, he said, or along the Rocky
Mountain Front, where wolves have lived for years.

Wolves will continue to spread out from the park, but a significant
number will get get in trouble with livestock and likely will be killed,
Alt said.

"Whether they are listed (by the Endangered Species Act) or not, wolves
will be managed on landscapes where people live and work," he said.

FWP is taking over many wolf management duties from the federal
government.

Once delisted -- a step that could be years away -- Montana hopes to
install limited hunting and trapping seasons for wolves, he said.
 
And it's gonna get worse. Our ancestors weren't a bunch of idiots killing wolves just to kill wolves......

JB
 
I just finished up a late Idaho elk hunt in the Island Park area. I can honestly say that the wolves where everywheres. No matter if I went 10 miles the other direction from where I hunted one day, there would be wolves in that area also.

That dink 5x5 I passed on opening morning, is haunting me now!! and has probably fed a wolf pack instead of me!!
 
I can honestly say on my late season Sunlight Basin Wyoming elk hunt this year there where days we seen more wolf's the elk! Where ever there was elk tracks there where wolf tracks!!!!!!!!!!!!

WB
 
ANYTHING THE GOVERNMENT GETS THEIR HANDS IN OR ON IS ALWAYS THE WORST MANAGEMENT YOU COULD EVER ASK FOR!!!(I'M SURE YOU'LL DISAGREE,I DON'T CARE!!!)TALK ABOUT PROJECTS WHERE MONEY IS WASTED!!!

I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST THERE BEING A FEW WOLVES AROUND BUT I'LL MAKE YOU ONE GUARANTEE,IF THEY WERE CAPABLE OF DOING GOOD THEY'D BE ON THE COMEBACK RIGHT NOW!!!

THIS IS WHERE I HAVE A PROBLEM:I CAN'T LEAGALLY SHOOT A WOLF IF I SEE ONE IN THIS STATE,BUT IF SOMEBODY REPORTS ONE OR A SET OF TRACKS THE FED'S COME IN IMMEDIATELY WITH CHOPPERS AND HUNT THEM DOWN,OH,I GET IT,IT'S O.K. FOR THEM BUT NOT FOR ME!!!

WHEN THE BIG GAME IS GONE IN YELLOWSTONE THEM GRIZZLY'S ARE STILL GONNA WANT TO EAT,I BELIEVE THE WOLVES ARE STILL GONNA WANT TO EAT ALSO,IF & WHEN THIS DAYS COMES AROUND I'D PUT MONEY ON THE FED'S KILLING WHATS LEFT,YA,JUST THE PREDATORS,THEN YOU CAN TAKE YOUR KIDS & FAMILY TO YELLOWSTONE AND NOT SEE A DAMN THING!!!

WAKE THE HELL UP AMERICA!!!

THE ONLY bobcat THAT HAS NEVER SEEN A 'LIVE' WOLF IN UTAH!!!
 
I am with you guy's on this one. Open up a season and lets get these buggers under control. A lot of time and money has been invested in these elk herds out west. It is high time we "reclaim our herds".

Chad
 
Everyone, no matter what state you live in, had better start writing and calling thier state senators and representatives telling them to push for wolf management now before it's too late!!! It's only been ten years since reintro and these mutts are reducing our herds at an unbelieveable rate. North Yellowstone is the first large reduction to hunting due to wolves...more hunts will soon follow on the reduction or discontinued list. The anti's had this up their sleeve the whole time...let the wolves manage the herds not people. By the way, if you haven't been following the wolf reintro, the feds are considering dumping wolves everywhere there is suitable habitat. Colorado, Utah, California, Oregon, Washington etc. etc.

I recommend everyone get out there and start getting involved in predator management. The bears, coyotes and lions are taking a heavy toll along with the wolves and we can legally shoot them. Don't pass up a chance at those BIG coyotes either.
 
kill the wolfs I was just north of the park this past week end. 12/18 and just north of yellowstone on highway 89 A bunch of elk were heading out of the park only to have a pack of Wolf on there butts. That sucks only cause we spent the last 75 years trying to establish an elk heard. billions of $$ spent on the elk to have good wolf feed. Bad deal i am pissed.
Rut.
 
I've written this in another post but here I go again. The liberals want to introduce wolves and grizzlys back to where they used to be so that everything can be back to its natural state. But it will never be back to its natural stae unless you introduce buffalo back to thier natural state. The elk, mule deer and moose and bighorn sheep and mountain goat get all of the pressure that millions of buffalo used to handle. We all know that there is no way we can introduce buffalo to our cut up land with fences, highways, malls, cities etc. So why the hell do they want to introduce only half of the equation.
Canada has caibou. We used to have buffalo. But we don't have them now. Reminds me of people who buy horses when they do not have a fenced area or haven't gotten hay first. Get the horse and then start worrying about the needs to sustain it. Oh well, history repeats itself. I think that one day we will have to take our wolf herds down to a very small population. But I don't think they will ever be wiped out again. fatrooster.
 
i've maintained since the beginning of all this "reintroduction" crap that maintaining a viable population of wolves is not the goal. but instead the goal is to have the wolves kill enough animals that there aren't enough left for hunters to pursue, therefore stopping hunting so there are enough animals for the wolves to eat. nothing more than a tool to pry the hunters farther and farther out of the picture. so far, it seems like maybe i'm right. there is a stable population in the area mentioned. no need for special protection for wolves. but will they take the wolf off the endangered list and allow them to be hunted? hell no. this crap that has been started with these mythical wolf/dog crosses here in Az. and new mex is more of the same. by the usfw's own numbers, there are not enough deer and elk to support the number of wolf/dogs they want to establish. good thing there are plenty of cattle for em to eat i guess, because per their own plans, the wolves will kill every deer and elk in the area. won't be long before we see a reduction in permits so there will be more wolf/dog food. the usfw and the huggers don't want the population to ever be stable and self supporting because then they can't use it for their real purpose. which i feel is to stop hunting.
 
RLH,
You hit the nail on the head! I too believe this whole wolf re-introduction thing is playing right into the hands of the anti-hunters.

I read in our local paper where a bunch of state Governors are banning together to push to ammend the Endangered Species Act.

Right now the "Act" is being used by every radical environmental group out there to stop one thing or another. They find something they don't like, hire some "biologist" to go out and find some "endangered" species, sue to have that species listed, which shuts everything down. One example is here in the Pacific Northwest, with the Spotted Owl. The environmentalists claimed the owl needed old growth timber to live. So no more harvesting old growth timber. One of the big timber companies set out to prove the owl not only lived but thrived in second growth areas, which they did prove. The environmentalists said "thank you very much, no harvesting of second growth either"

I guess the point I'm trying to make is their whole agenda is to keep us from doing anything they disagree with. They don't care about trees or wolves or deer or fish or salamanders or any of that. Oh, it's all done in the name of "Save The Whatever" and all the politically correct masses jump on board, even though none of it is based on good biology.

Sorry to rant, it's just that we've been living with this since 1968 when the Endangered Species Act was passed.

Thanks for all your comments, and hopefully we can turn this thing around.

Steve
 

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