Utah LE elk Tags question

hunter1975

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I'm just curious what you all think of the following?
I recived this email from the division coordinator a couple days ago

"We anticipate that there will be increases in limited entry elk permits. However, we won't know how much of an increase until we have all of the age class and harvest data for 2004. We expect to have that information by early February. Archery will still get 25% of the tags and
muzzleloader 15%."

Utah Division of Wildlife Resources
Big Game Program Coordinator

What units do you all think will see the increases?
 
I'm afraid you'll see increases in about all the units that they lowered the age class management goal in. Just hope they don't over do it.

A bad day hunting is better than a Good Day at Work!!
 
I think there may be some much needed increases in some units. Some units there are one bull for every cow. They need to fix some units for sure. I think we will still have great quality. We will just have to wait and see.
 
heres a bigger question. SFW just took 25% of the nonresident LE elk tags, and in order for the nonres pool to see any increase in tags in thier share the residents would need to see 10 tags increase to equal 1 nonres tag. So... with losing 25% to SFW will the nonres see a decrease in tags?? math says probably, am i wrong?? this is really a huge issue for a nonresident trying to play the odds. for instance, if a unit had 2 nonres tags last year, will it only have one this year? that will remove the bonus tag to the highest point holder.
 
very very good question scmalts, I have been looking at a lot of units with a small # tags to apply with my dad and realize most I will have no chance.

That was one reason I liked the AR301 tag - lots of NR tags.

Good luck with your points.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-11-05 AT 11:21AM (MST)[p]I also found out that some of the age class objectives posted on the division's website are wrong and should be as follows...

"There is a mistake in the table on the website. The following units
should have a 5-6 year old objective:

Book Cliffs, Little Creek
San Juan
West Desert, Deep Creek
Southwest Desert, Indian Peaks
Fillmore, Pahvant"

These 5-6 units may not see as big of an increase but they are still probably higher than 5-6 depending on the archery and muzz hunt data they get back. If I was a NR I would look to areas that are normally(using past years info)way over objective for the most noticable increases or at least staying the same.
 
Its all about the money. quanity over quality. I don't care who disagrees with me this decision was for money money money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


NBJB
 
There will be many factors that will need to be looked at this year that may influence the draw odds for 2005. More things will change the odds in the future for better or worse. Here is how I see the changes.

1. Have a late hunt for elk to increase opportunity for hunters to draw. 30% of the tags will go to this late hunt. From what I gather they expect the success rate to be lower on this hunt so they may give more tags to this hunt to achieve harvest rate they desire.
2. 5% of elk tags will go to hunters that desire to hunt all three seasons.
I don't care for this hunt, even though I would love to have the tag and opportunity to hunt all three seasons but this sounds like a rich mans hunt to me. To many of the tags have raised in cost and putting a lot of hunters in a bad situation when they can't afford to put themselves and a few kids in for these hunts. My boy is almost 13 and if he wants to put in for these LE permits he needs to get cutting more lawns to help with the cost of putting in and to also apply in another state once in a while. This five percent probably wont effect much.
3. Some changes have been made in the age class harvest objective. This may effect the number of permits as well. In some, it may increase the tags quite a bit.
4. Weather and winter mortality. After they add the data together they determine how many tags to give out. Utah is having a good winter so far for the animals. If this keeps up, animal carry over and winter survival will be high and all the water will help feed growth. This looks to be a good year for the animals.
5. The tags referred to, as the SFW tags will not be taken out until 2006. These are for the National Convention and not SFW tags. Will not effect draw in 2005.
After looking at the numbers and estimating what the future holds. These National Convention tags looks to be a win win opportunity to place a lot of money into the conservation effort and give another opportunity to draw a tag. Sure there are some areas of the deal that has upset some NR hunters and I can see their point on some of the concerns. But all in all it is a good option that will help wildlife in the end.
With this taking place in 2006, will give us a chance to see what other changes this year will do to the odds and tag numbers.

I see more tags available for 2005 elk. We all need to do what we can to help the mule deer recovery in all western states. Number of deer in Utah is not as high as they need to be but the quality has improved. Utah sheep numbers are looking good and they have just transplanted some more sheep this winter. Some real good moose are being harvested and the numbers are doing well. We need to keep the wolf out of Utah and keep other predators in check.

Well that is my 2 cents worth.

Craig
 

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