I need some elk hunting advice

alsatian

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I hope to hunt the Colorado second rifle season (started about October 23 in 2004 and runs about a week) in unit 75 NE of Durango either this year or 2006, specifically in the Weminuche Wilderness arrea. This will be a cow rifle hunt. I have collected some information which has led me to focus on hunting three specfic drainages or canyons. My sources suggest that, baring an early heavy snow, the elk will be around tree line in this area. If the elk have been pressured, they are liable to be in the dark timber. Tree line in this area is about 12,000'. I'll be camping around 11,500'. I see on the 7.5' quadrangle maps that the trees seem to be located on the slopes angling down to the creek draining the canyons and on the ridges, but right around the creeks there seem to be no trees.

I am a first time elk hunter. My idea is generally to go up a canyon a good ways, until I top out above tree line, cross over the ridge into the adjoining canyon and generally go down that canyon, returning to the point I started from. I'm guessing I want to remain out of sight up in the trees as I am moving and not walk in the open along the creek itself. Having covered half of two canyons in this way in a day, I would cross over and repeat the same approach for the next canyon (day 1: west slope of canyon B, east slope of canyon A; day2: west slope of canyon C, east slope of canyon B; day 3: west slope of canyon D, east slope of canyon C). It would appear that one of these day trips would cover maybe 5 miles with an elevation gain of about 600 feet to top out at tree line. I view this as principally scouting with the provision that when my scouting reveals elk, then the scouting transitions to hunting.

What should my procedure be? All I can think of is to watch for elk sign -- tracks and elk poop as I walk. Also, that I glass for elk in openings as openings reveal themselves, particularly at first and last light. I would also examine ponds or lakes away from the creek to see if elk are going to that water to drink, perhaps contemplating a late afternoon ambush. I plan to be prepared to bivouac out overnight if I spot elk and a stalk is enabled by staying out.

I am well aware of the physical conditioning requirements, equipment requirements, rifle requirements, meat packing difficulties and prefer that responses focus on the actual hunting techniques, finding the elk techniques. I've backpacked in this area before and at and above these altitudes.
 
Sounds like you have done your homework. Im no expert, but I have picked up a few things here and there, so heres my .01... The only thing I would add is get there a day or two early if you can and find a good spot where you can really see some country. Elk are not at all hard to spot with quality glass... the hard part is finding and being on a glassing spot during prime dawn and dusk time where you can see several drainages, feeding areas and openings from one place to get a bead on where they are coming out of and going to. Let your eyes do the initial legwork. And dont kid yourself about how good of shape you are in, hunting at 12,000 ft. day in, and day out will push anyones physical limits in short order.
 
I'll second the above advice. Use binoculars and/or a scope to cover the ground. Spend more time finding the best vantage points to glass from, and less time looking for sign. Look for areas that have the best feed that hasnt been grazed down by cows. You may end up having to timber hunt, but dont waste your time until you are sure elk are in the timber stand you will be hunting. Good aerial photos of the country can help you interpret the terrain better than a topo map.
 
to cut to the quick, get your butt up high and glass the cows up before you do any cross ridge hiking. You will kill the first day if you locate by using your eyes instead of walking/looking for sign..... Thanks, Allen Taylor......
 
BuraNut:

I'm a little confused by your advice, but let me make a stab at rephrasing it and let you correct me if I get it wrong.

Rather than burning time slowly easing up through the timber on the side of the canyon, looking for sign on the ground, rip straight on up to the timberline and glass. I will otherwise burn half a day in low productivity activity before I get to the high productivity activity activity of glassing from a good vantage point at timberline. Is this your point?
 
Do you have a area where hunters may frequent? If you are in a suitable ambush spot, others, unknowingly may push the elk to you on opening day. Also, for this time of October it is not uncommon to hear bulls bugling from the rut. They may not be bugling too but a bull may have cows with him so keep that in mind. And then there is elk hunting...you need some luck!!
I applaud you on your "homework". Jeff
 
I'm hoping to be relatively free of other hunters. I plan to camp about 2.5 miles into a wilderness area. I have read that most hunters will not venture more than a mile off road, and the cars and ATVs are excluded from the wilderness area. I will hunt further back in still from my camp. I'm guessing that people who are on horse back will be further back in than I will be -- I should be between the truck-bound hunters and the horse enabled hunters. Other backpackers could compete with me.

I have never hunted this area before and am a first time elk hunter, so I don't know the hunter patterns there. Still, I get your point. If I am in place at high elevation at first light, these hunters, if they are slow getting after it, might push the elk to me.
 
There would be two reasons that there are no trees near the streams:

1. It is grass and this is good
2. It is all rock and this is probably bad.

It is very possible that the canyons you are talking about that are not forested are enclosed by steep cliffs of rock and there maybe no way at all up through them. This is very important, look at your topo maps and if the lines are very close together next to the stream/valley and there are no trees, then it will most likely be cliffs and no way to go up and down.

In that part of Colorado, some of those side canyons will be impassable as well because of waterfalls and cliffy areas along the streams.

Good Luck and be careful.

Nino
 
Yes, I know about the lines close together phenomenon. I have had occasion to hike up some of these places where the lines are, relatively speaking, close together and it isn't fun! And you are right, where they are REALLY close together that indicates a cliff. I'm keeping the cliff thing in mind. One of the three canyons I'm targeting has what may be cliff walls on one side, but the opposite side are more gently sloped. Your point is that the elk won't be on the cliffs, and I take your point. Where the creeks are located I recall that the topography is generally pretty flat.
 
alsatian, it sounds like you have everything in order to get an elk. but if you are a first time elk hunter, i wonder if you know what to expect after you get one on the ground. they are very large animals. a cow can go 500 or 600lbs. don't bite off more than you can chew. make sure you have a good pack frame and some strong legs. some good cloth quarter bags will come in handy. bone out the animal if you can. no sense packing out the bones.leave the hide if you aren't going to use it. just make sure to leave evidence of sex on the elk.

i agree with everyone who said to get to a high spot and glass. you can find many more animals this way than you can any other.
 
You might want to plan for some extreme weather as well. Camping at 11500 feet, end of October, might look like Antarctica. Good equipment and good clothing.
 
Take all of this advise to heart. Especially Elkantlers about just how big of animal an elk is. Its no small task to pack out elk meat by yourself. Your looking at 3-4 trips of just meat and then your gear/camp. If you've never been up close and personal to an elk you will be surprised by how large they are compared to a deer. Also clothing is extremely important at that time of year as the weather at 12,000' is very unpredictable.
 
I would backpack into that specific area this summer and learn as much about the terrain and elk trails as possible. Then, show up a few days early to locate the elk and their patterns as you glass from afar. Know exactly where to be opening morning, and don't forget about those thermals in planning your routes and spots. Think where other hunters will be and plan to use them to your advantage. Design plans for an Indian summer and also for a heavy snow. Maybe line out some horses, just in case fortune smiles upon you. Good luck!

Doug/RedRabbit
 
Alot of good advice has been given. I too applaud your homework. Redrabbits' advice is sound. I have been caught at 11,600 feet in mid-Oct in a snowstorm, ended up with 4+ feet of snow. BE PREPARED. Good Luck

Phantom Hunter
 
All of the above advice is good. I spend every day
in unit 76 just north of you and at that elevation
you CAN plan on snow before or after you start.
Last year we had 8 in end of August and several
more dumps during Sept. The year before we had 3 feet
on Sept 8 above 12000 in one night. In that
country weather is EVERYTHING. Be prepared for
the worst because if you dont!!!!!Why all this
effort for a cow? There are many easier places
to get a cow. Roy in Montrose
 
Roy is right. If you in it for the high country experience, be prepared, this is god's country.(no religious offence to anyone) The san juan range usually has snow on it, old or new, most all year. There are lots of easier ways to get a cow, but if your into the wilderness thing good luck to you and be safe! Us locals like cow elk in fields at 6000ft or at least I do!!!
 
Most of your plans sound feasible but may be overkill for a cow elk. Camping at 11,500 that late in the year may be asking for trouble if snows come in(which they usually do in the San Juans). Packing in 2.5 miles may be too much. Usually just crossing a wilderness boundary will seperate you from 90% of the other hunters.
I've had good success and enjoyment setting my tent in a secluded site with good views and just glassing and hunting right by the tent. I've actually seen the most animals when I sit outside my tent with a cup of coffee at daybreak and wait for the animals to start moving and feeding . I firmly believe that the more a hunter moves the more he will move the elk away from him.
 
Sneakem:

I guess I'm not hard over about the mountain hunting, but I just assumed the lower elevations would not be public ground but private or that hunters would be packed in cheek-by-jowl if the hunting ground was public. If my assumption is wrong, please correct me. Again, I'm talking about near Durango, Unit 75, cow elk hunt maybe 2006. Is there low elevation public hunting ground in Unit 75?

Additionally, while I'm planning this as a cow elk hunt, I'm viewing it as a learning experience which I could leverage into a bull elk hunt in future years, and for a future bull elk hunt the higher areas might be associated either with a bigger bull elk or merely a better chance for any bull elk.
 
First of all I congratulate you on your research and planning. This post just goes to show that the people on this board will provide good quality information when a question is specific and shows that the asker has already put in a lot of time figuring out the answer for themselves.

Now then - since you are hunting alone better than two miles from a road, and since you plan to cover so much territory, I urge you to consider what you will do in case of an emergency. My brother in law, a very experienced backcountry hiker and mountaineer, stumbled and badly broke his leg while packing out an elk three years ago. The only thing that saved his live was a radio and nearby hunting partners. Consider this and make a plan (flares, satellite phone, something...)

Also, you might consider hiring someone with a horse to pack out your elk if you get one. Not generally cheap, but something to consider.

Mark
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-07-05 AT 02:24PM (MST)[p]YOU COULD ENd UP MILES FROM WHERE YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE TO COME OUT.
we had a guy a few years back.
go over the top.
he ended up with about a 25 mile road trip back to his camp.
at 2.30 in the morning.
the next day i went up the hill and recovered his gun for him, along with his day pack and coat.
you best attack is walk in up the ridge keep a ware of land marks and cut the saddles.
first its the easest rought to the top.
don't go up the draws., you might not be able to climb out.besides that
the morning brease will be lifting and go up it faster than you can walk and send every thing up there over the top.
there is a lot of good advise here.
read it and study it.
it could save your life.
but best of all make your hunting more enjoyable
 
Better take a sled in with you so you can haul that cow out on top of the snow. I fyou are there a week you will get some snow rather it sticks or not will be up to GOD. You might try camping in the snow this year to see if your have the right euipment.Good Luck
 
I was a first timer last year. Been hunting for awhile, but not for elk. I learned So Much on this site. Everything that people have told you is worth paying alot of attention to. Here's my two cents. Take a good amount of rope. If you get an elk, you'll need it. If you don't have a GPS, get one. It can save you all kinds of trouble. Take extra batteries. They aren't much good with dead batteries. I share your feelings about that envelope that road hunters don't touch and the guys on horsback are way beyond. Thats how I got mine. Also, think alot about what you are gonna do when that animal is down. Cleaning one is alot easier with an extra pair of hands, but if you have rope and know a few good knots ( ie the trucker's hitch) you can do it solo. I took two small hatchets, which were a little heavy, but split the rib cage with very little effort. I also had a small woodsaw and built a little travois out of small tree trunks and was able to haul the whole critter down the hill in one shot. So, if you are uphill from your truck or a road, you might want to consider the little amount ( lot of rope) effort to make something like that. Good luck...and watch out. You get one and haul it out and you'll never want to stop hunting elk. You'll probably consider getting a horse though.
 
I wasn't planning on getting an GPS, but you may be right -- this may be pretty cheap insurance. I'm accustomed to navigating with topo maps up there, but a heavy snow can wipe out trails pretty quickly and change the look of things in a big way -- I imagine.

I would probably use the "alaska method" to take my meat. In this method you don't gut the animal, you skin the side you are working on, cut the meat off, go to the other side, skin that side, and cut the meat off. The front legs and back legs can be cut off whole. The tenderloins should be accessible by reaching back behind the ribs, upper under the pelvis. I would also bone out my meat. This is the plan.
 
I've read about that method, but haven't tried it yet. Luckily, I had someone there to help out. As far as GPS is concerned...yes they aren't cheap, but you can get a pretty decent one for $150.00 these days. That was the best money my wife ever spent..haha ( birthday present). They work great, especially when you have maps and a compass as well.
 

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