Grizz

Someone needs to support the idea of them as a resource, but I'm not sure I want to have that tag until the legal situation seems more secure.
 
No nonresident will get the chance to hunt with the quota. Grizz is too much a trophy animal...some resident will be very selective and the clock will run out or those residents without the time or resources will wind up taking old shows either on purpose or mistake.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jul-06-18 AT 08:45PM (MST)[p]I thought in Hunt Area 7 there were going to be something like 12 licenses issued of which four would go to nonresidents. These licenses holders would be able to hunt like any other season, start opening day and hunt until you killed a bear or the season ended, whichever occurred first.

Is this not the case any longer?


ClearCreek
 
In post above I said four licenses would go to nonresidents, but I think it is only three to nonresidents in HA 7; either way nonresidents will get issued licenses, if the hunt goes forward.

ClearCreek
 
Nonresidents get licenses but cannot hunt until all the residents get to hunt first...that was my point. I hope all the NRs get to hunt, but I don't think any will.
 
>Nonresidents get licenses but cannot hunt
>until all the residents get
>to hunt first...that was my
>point. I hope all
>the NRs get to hunt,
>but I don't think any
>will.

That's not correct, as the statute says that 75% have to be issued to residents before a NR can get picked for the hunt.
 
>Nonresidents get licenses but cannot hunt
>until all the residents get
>to hunt first...that was my
>point. I hope all
>the NRs get to hunt,
>but I don't think any
>will.


Not correct for both areas 30Hart. In area 1-6 it will be one hunter at a time for ten days. Every forth hunter is a nonresident. This hunt stops when the first sow is killed.

In area 7, like ClearCreek said, there will be twelve tags, three to nonresidents. All hunters get the whole season no matter what is killed.
 
One hunter at a time would make it pretty easy got anti?s to mess up a hunt if they could figure out who the grizzly hunter is.
 
>This hunt stops when the
>first sow is killed.
>

I've wondered how quickly this may occur after the regs were set. Only 4 bears total on the Cody/Meteesee/Sunlight Basin front. And 6 total around Dubois and Union Pass. You can see pretty clearly were the livestock producers are on the map with this quota. If..if G&F lets you bait Area 7, that may up your odds. I've seen pics of grizz from trailcams from spring season from Area 7 but there not that common. It would be neat to actually say you hunted grizz in Area 7, but odds are stacked against you of actually finding one. I wonder why they even made a quota for Area 7, its been determined grizz are not socially accepted in the area with an any sex quota. Don't you just love the Demographic Monitoring Area boundary between 6 & 7 with the squiggly lines...
 
>What are the odds the hunt
>actually goes thru?
>
>
>#livelikezac


Your guess is as good as anyone's on that, but it should be 100% if politics and the Lib Judges the antis find to file with would stay out of all game management issues!
 
>>What are the odds the hunt
>>actually goes thru?
>>
>>
>>#livelikezac
>
>
>Your guess is as good as
>anyone's on that, but it
>should be 100% if politics
>and the Lib Judges the
>antis find to file with
>would stay out of all
>game management issues!

We both know that's not the world we live in unfortunately. I give it a 10% chance. Good luck to those who applied, hope it happens!


#livelikezac
 
The best strategy might be to shoot your gun into a tree and start whooping and hollering. A Grizzly will probably come running.
 
I think that the chance of a hunt is also around 10%. If the hunt goes through, I do not believe it will proceed without a few seen and unforeseen complications. I won't be applying, but not because I don't believe in what G&F is doing.

The Game and Fish were trapping grizzly bears in the Sunlight-Crandall area this year. I know of the location of 4 of the traps. Because of the snow melt, high water, erosion and the mud situation, they were somewhat limited in the areas they could trap. The Sunlight Elk Refuge is currently closed because of these issues. Getting a trap into the Upper Sunlight must have been a challenge. The trapping was to continue through July 15th, 2018. They were trapping for monitoring purposes and not to move bears.

According to the last young man from Game and Fish that I talked to, they pulled the traps before July 1st. He was pulling the trapping signs on Jul 2nd when I was hiking in the area. They had reached the "quota" well before the deadline. They had no problems finding grizzly bears to trap, collar and tag. They baited the traps with mostly roadkill. The last young man I spoke to indicated that they had not trapped a single black bear this go around. I believe they trapped the most grizzly bears in the Camp Creek/Reef Creek area.

The two individuals I spoke with were pleasant. One of them told me what drugs they used on the bears. He thought the drug they were now using worked the best for what they were trying to accomplish. They also had some observations on the bears they had trapped. Those observations included the condition of some of the bears. I have no doubt that the Wyoming Game and Fish has done their homework on the bear situation and have reached a well reasoned decision to have a hunt. You just don't know if some Federal District Judge will think his knowledge of the situation is greater than the professionals involved in all of this.

just sayin...mh
 
I believe the hunt will happen. One of the main appeals by enviro groups has already been turned away and the current decision upheld by a federal judge recently. I sure hope to draw #1!! I have a few old friends who have caused me a lot of headaches through the years that i would like to go see if so
 
Trying to decide what to put in for. 7 would be an easy choice if it had a decent population. But without knowing how the population is in 7 $6k is a lot of money if you are looking for a needle in a hay stack. 1-6 would be nice if you were one of the first hunters so you would have a good chance to actually hunt.

Decisions decisions.
 
>Trying to decide what to put
>in for. 7 would be
>an easy choice if it
>had a decent population. But
>without knowing how the population
>is in 7 $6k is
>a lot of money if
>you are looking for a
>needle in a hay stack.
>1-6 would be nice if
>you were one of the
>first hunters so you would
>have a good chance to
>actually hunt.
>
>Decisions decisions.

If I was a NR going to drop $6K I would want to hunt where the bear density is highest. Look for the non-wilderness areas that have bears if your going unguided. Biologists are your friends here.
 
So, on the 1-6 hunt, what sort of number do you think a resident or nonresident needs? Think anti?s in the draw would buck up either $600 or $6000 and provide proof of hunter ed, knowing it only delays 10 days? Any guesses at hunter success? What are the odds someone shoots a female grizzly before the quota of 10 males fills?
 
>So, on the 1-6 hunt, what
>sort of number do you
>think a resident or nonresident
>needs? Think anti?s in the
>draw would buck up either
>$600 or $6000 and provide
>proof of hunter ed, knowing
>it only delays 10 days?
>Any guesses at hunter success?
>What are the odds someone
>shoots a female grizzly before
>the quota of 10 males
>fills?

For residents 1, 2, 3; for nonresidents 1.

I think there is a good chance only 2 or 3 licenses will be issued in HA 1-6, which would mean no nonresident licences would be issued (the fourth license issued in HA 1-6 would be issued to a nonresident).

My opinion, nothing more.

ClearCreek
 
So how hard is it to tell males from females?

And how big is a big Wyoming Grizz? I remember a post a few years back with a trail camera of a real brute.
 
>So how hard is it to
>tell males from females?


I'd wager 95% of hunters are not proficient at determining boar from sow in the field.
 
>>So how hard is it to
>>tell males from females?
>
>
>I'd wager 95% of hunters are
>not proficient at determining boar
>from sow in the field.
>


I know this is going to shock you jm77, but I agree 100% with your statement.

ClearCreek
 
A few years ago we had a Large Carnivore Biologist from Wyoming Game and Fish who apparently couldn't tell the difference between a Black Bear and a Grizzly Bear. It cost him some serious money and almost his job.

My advice on telling a sow from a boar grizzly is spend as much time as possible looking the bear and it's surroundings over before even thinking of taking a shot. If in doubt, don't shoot.

I was helping a friend many years ago in North Idaho on a fall black bear hunt. We were hunting a huckleberry patch on some north facing slopes. I studied a very large bear in my spotting scope. The ears were big as was the distance between the ears. It was all by itself. The head was real blocky. My buddy took the bear. I was positive it was a boar. I rolled it over to field dress and cape it. The canines were almost gone and that "boar" was a sow. When they pulled the tooth by her canines, they aged her at over 30 years. It was perfectly legal as she had no young with her.


In NW Wyoming, I know some of the drainages usually only have boars in them. In one drainage on the North Fork of the Shoshone there is an old boar I call "backscratcher". When he rubs his back on a tree, you can see his junk through your binoculars.

just sayin...mh
 
>I was helping a friend many
>years ago in North Idaho
>on a fall black bear
>hunt. We were hunting a
>huckleberry patch on some north
>facing slopes. I studied a
>very large bear in my
>spotting scope. The ears were
>big as was the distance
>between the ears. It was
>all by itself. The head
>was real blocky. My buddy
>took the bear. I was
>positive it was a boar.
>I rolled it over to
>field dress and cape it.
>The canines were almost gone
>and that "boar" was a
>sow.

This is exactly what has me wondering more than anything. The rules of thumb on telling a boar from a sow are just that, rules of thumb and not absolutes. I don't have a great deal of bear hunting experience. I have taken 2 black bears and both were boars. For those that have taken a lot of bears how accurate are the rules of thumb at determining sex?
 
What ever you do don't post the hunt on youtube with the comment section open. The libs will tear you up.
 
I have spent far more time watching Grizzlies here in NW Wyoming than i care to remember, and when it comes to determining boar from a sow... good luck. I definitely will not be confident saying one or the other unless like said above he stands up and shows you! I have seen some absolutely huge sows that most would swear were boars until cubs came out of the trees. This is why i highly doubt the hunt in 1-6 will last long no matter what happens. So ill gladly take #1 please game and fish!
 
That's kind of what I'm thinking. No need to get too excited as a nonresident unless you get draw #1, and even then it's not a sure thing. I honestly would be happy with any big mature grizzly bear, as long as it has no cubs, but would try to make my best guess it was a boar especially knowing it would close the season to everyone else.
 
I got my application in this morning as a NR. Pretty slim odds but somebody has to draw and I have had a few "really lucky draws" - son's youth ibex in NM, Colorado Mt goat with only 2 points, 16D first season rifle elk hunt in NM. I'm willing to gamble since a grizz has been on my bucket list for a LONG time but can't afford to do it in AK.

My guess is that the season will be closed by the time the 5th bear hits the ground. Just way too hard to tell the difference between male/female.

I would hate to be hunter #1 and end up shooting a female. Not only the anti's would hate you but so would all the guys who had hoped to get the chance!!!
 
>I would hate to be hunter
>#1 and end up shooting
>a female. Not only
>the anti's would hate you
>but so would all the
>guys who had hoped to
>get the chance!!!


I read where one person that wanted to protect the grizzlies had proposed that if an anti got to be the first hunter, that person could shoot a sow and and end the hunt. Shoot one to save many!


ClearCreek
 
>
>I read where one person that
>wanted to protect the grizzlies
>had proposed that if an
>anti got to be the
>first hunter, that person could
>shoot a sow and and
>end the hunt. Shoot
>one to save many!
>
>
>ClearCreek
>
>


So what are the chances an anti could tell the difference between a boar and sow?
 
>>
>>I read where one person that
>>wanted to protect the grizzlies
>>had proposed that if an
>>anti got to be the
>>first hunter, that person could
>>shoot a sow and and
>>end the hunt. Shoot
>>one to save many!
>>
>>
>>ClearCreek
>>
>>
>
>
>So what are the chances an
>anti could tell the difference
>between a boar and sow?
>

Lol! Or have the nerve to pull the trigger or the ability to hit the broadside of a barn? I'd expect to see bear poop with pepper and a whistle in it.


#livelikezac
 
I had been told it was $15 to apply.I didn't see anywhere they took the license money out as you apply
When you Use your credit card they take the Whole $6,000 out up front.
 
>I had been told it was
>$15 to apply.I didn't see
>anywhere they took the license
>money out as you apply
>
>When you Use your credit card
>they take the Whole $6,000
>out up front.

fullcry;

Is your last sentence a statement or a question?

It is my understanding the application fee is nonrefundable.

After the applications are all in, then for Hunt Areas 1-6 there will be a list created of resident and nonresident applicants. The top name(s) on the list will be the ones called and that person will have a certain time period to purchase a license. If a person decides to purchase a license the money will exchange hands at that time.

If a person applied for Hunt Area 7 then a drawing will be held and nine licenses will be issued to residents and three will be issued to nonresidents. The regulations indicate:

"The Department shall utilize a limited quota drawing to determine successful applicants to hunt grizzly bears in hunt area 7."

So, if you applied in Hunt Area 7 if sounds like the license fee may be required at the time of application. Refunds would then be issued to those unsuccessful like any other "limited quota drawing".

ClearCreek
 
It's a statement not a question.
Because they did it.
After talking to the Fish and Game
Sounds like they didn't know it was up front either.
So after several back and forths
You are refunded the $6,000.
After the draw if unsuccessful.
 
From reading the posts, sounds like we are in trouble... if most of you can't understand the application and hunt area process I'm pretty sure you can't decypher between a boar or a sow?? Probably shouldn't apply in the first place...
 
It's nt really difficult to figure out and if you go on the G&F website to apply it tells you you can only apply for one or the other hunt (1-6 or 7). It charges you the $6000 if you're applying for the draw for 7 and you pay it upfront or just the small fee if you apply for 1-6.
 
It?ll be interesting to see what the final application numbers look like.

I wouldn't be surprised if the zone 7 numbers are pretty low for non residents.

Success rate for 7 will also be interesting!
 
I read a news article yesterday talking about the anti-hunting movement to put in for tags to keep real hunters from hunting. The article stated that there is a gofundme started to help pay for the nonresident tags when they draw as well as some "celebrities" who have offered to help with the nonresident portion of tag prices as long as it keeps hunters from getting a tag. Of course, this all started in Jackson Hole.

Just curious about thoughts on how much this will effect draw odds for the real hunters? Anybody else heard about it?
 
Been reading about it for a while now. I suspect it will have Zero Effect as the odds of drawing are long. Once they find out they need some sort of Hunter Safety or firearm safety certificate and non-resident tags are 6k I doubt any of them have the ability to follow through.


#livelikezac
 
Topgun, that is how it looks right now, but I don't think it used to be so clear. I could be wrong however, but it is crystal clear now showing the $6000.
 
Heard on Radio today a total of 7,000 applicants!!! Daaaaammmnnnn, Didn?t say how many res/nonres or areas 1-6 or 7 but I'm thinking odds are gonna suck no matter what!!!
 
Yup, I also expected more applicants . I wouldn't be shocked if only 100-200 non resident put in for zone 7. The $6000 up front most likely kept many non residents from applying.
 
I saw the gofundme stuff. Those folks have to be morons. If enough grizzlies aren't harvested this season (because some tags went to folks that won't use them), then the WY game dept just increases the quota/tags next year to make up for it, and they'd be justified based on the harvest and participation numbers.
 
I thought I read where the gofundme effort was discontinued because the purpose of the donations did not conform to the gofundme rules.

ClearCreek
 
>What ever you do don't post
>the hunt on youtube with
>the comment section open.
>The libs will tear you
>up.

How about just not post the hunt up? It would be great to see this hunt expand. But YouTube ain't our friend this year first time out



From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
 
I talked to the Game and Fish in Pinedale on Saturday and they said a little over 900 residents in for area 7. Should be somewhere around 1 in 100 draw odds.
 
This should be a hunt that people 100% expect to never get to go on. The poor draw odds being only one part of that equation. If by some miracle a person gets to go on this hunt they should consider it a gift from the heavens. That's my view at any rate.
 
I put in for the Unit 7 draw.
I don't see a number of we're I was in the order.
Was that just the sequence for Unit 1-6
Just curious how many were in for Unit 7?
 
LAST EDITED ON Jul-26-18 AT 07:43PM (MST)[p]>I put in for the Unit
>7 draw.
>I don't see a number of
>we're I was in the
>order.
>Was that just the sequence for
>Unit 1-6
>Just curious how many were in
>for Unit 7?
I believe the order is only for areas 1-6. Area 7 should be successful or unsucc!!
 

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