Governor mule deer tag
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Wild787
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>You guys do understand that a
>person could buy that tag
>and write it off on
>their taxes?
>
>Reduce your tax bill at the
>end of the year AND
>have a world class tag
>as a trade? That's a
>win-win.
>
>Whoever bought it is no dummy.
>
Halface
Not calling anyone dumb, but not so sure you understand how donations work on taxes... if the guys makes 1,000,000$ and pays 110,000 for deer tag he pays full taxes on remaining 890,000$ or if he kept the 110,000 $ he would pay another 35,000 roughly... so with all tax concerns aside he still spent 85,000$ of his money to get the tag... good for him
>person could buy that tag
>and write it off on
>their taxes?
>
>Reduce your tax bill at the
>end of the year AND
>have a world class tag
>as a trade? That's a
>win-win.
>
>Whoever bought it is no dummy.
>
Halface
Not calling anyone dumb, but not so sure you understand how donations work on taxes... if the guys makes 1,000,000$ and pays 110,000 for deer tag he pays full taxes on remaining 890,000$ or if he kept the 110,000 $ he would pay another 35,000 roughly... so with all tax concerns aside he still spent 85,000$ of his money to get the tag... good for him
Adventurewriter
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>LAST EDITED ON May-20-18
>AT 04:36?PM (MST)
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>Guy pays that kinda money for
>a tag, taxes don't mean
>squat.
Exactly......
>AT 04:36?PM (MST)
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>Guy pays that kinda money for
>a tag, taxes don't mean
>squat.
Exactly......
To some people $110,000 is the same as $10 or $100 or $1,000 to others. I know some guys that aren't too different from everyone on this forum with the exception that they are worth 9 (and in one case 10) figures. They like to hunt. Spending $110,000 on a tag doesn't move the needle even a little bit for them. Kind of hard for me to call any of them foolish when they have achieved the level of success in business that they have.
Adventurewriter
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I can be pretty tight with money...pretty much buy everything used...but I don't hesitate to spend money on tags....Landowner tags...hunting...if I was a millionaire I would be buying these tags in a second...
Muley
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When money is spent foolishly. No matter how rich you are. You're still a fool.
I'm also of the mindset that all hunters should be equal. Of course, it's not that way and the rich have big advantages. They get no respect from me and I know they could care less about that.
Just because someone is successful financially. It shouldn't give them any right to have advantages over other hunters. They do because we let them.
I'm also of the mindset that all hunters should be equal. Of course, it's not that way and the rich have big advantages. They get no respect from me and I know they could care less about that.
Just because someone is successful financially. It shouldn't give them any right to have advantages over other hunters. They do because we let them.
Clownpuncher
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So this guy donates $112,000 ( I was there Saturday night) to conservation and all anybody wants to do is bash him because he has more money than them and probably worked harder than 98% of the people out there. Guess how many over the counter tags the state has to sell to make up the revenue of one governors tag??? A shitload. Why bash someone (whom you don't know at all,obviously, because no one knew how much it even went for) that is spending they're money for a cause we all believe in?? He could be spending it on anti-gun laws or some other crap but this is who you guys choose to rip on?? And gain what?
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LAST EDITED ON May-21-18 AT 05:52PM (MST)[p]>I doubt he worked harder than
>most of us. I'll stand
>by my post.
Yeah cause most of the rich don't work hard. Whatever. There is a reason successful people are successful and there is a reason unsuccessfull people are unsuccessful. Everyone cuts their own deal in this world. Everyone.
I'll stand by my comments too.
>most of us. I'll stand
>by my post.
Yeah cause most of the rich don't work hard. Whatever. There is a reason successful people are successful and there is a reason unsuccessfull people are unsuccessful. Everyone cuts their own deal in this world. Everyone.
I'll stand by my comments too.
Clownpuncher
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A guy out of anchorage Alaska. He was willing to go to $140 so he was stoked to get it for $112. There was another guy who was trying to get it that already has 4 western state governors tags for this year alone. I guess he's already spent over $500K this year on them.
And none of them were ?there?. They were all working through a ?handler? or someone like that that was on the phone to them as they were bidding. It was pretty cool to watch actually. A lot of money being thrown around over the phones. We just sat back in awe!
And none of them were ?there?. They were all working through a ?handler? or someone like that that was on the phone to them as they were bidding. It was pretty cool to watch actually. A lot of money being thrown around over the phones. We just sat back in awe!
Muley
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>LAST EDITED ON May-21-18
>AT 05:52?PM (MST)
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>>I doubt he worked harder than
>>most of us. I'll stand
>>by my post.
>
>Yeah cause most of the rich
>don't work hard. Whatever. There
>is a reason successful people
>are successful and there is
>a reason unsuccessfull people are
>unsuccessful. Everyone cuts their own
>deal in this world. Everyone.
>
>I'll stand by my comments too.
>
You're just guessing. He could have inherited for all you know. He could have sat there and played the stock market. he could have been a CEO while guys like us do all the work.
How he got his money is not in question. I never said it was. Buying tags that aren't available to everybody is what i'm talking about. I could win Powerball tomorrow and i'd still hunt the same as I do now. Putting in for the draw like everybody else. I also believe in fair chase hunting.
As much as it bothers you enough to write about it. I'm entitled to my opinion and will feel anyway I want to about it.
>AT 05:52?PM (MST)
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>>I doubt he worked harder than
>>most of us. I'll stand
>>by my post.
>
>Yeah cause most of the rich
>don't work hard. Whatever. There
>is a reason successful people
>are successful and there is
>a reason unsuccessfull people are
>unsuccessful. Everyone cuts their own
>deal in this world. Everyone.
>
>I'll stand by my comments too.
>
You're just guessing. He could have inherited for all you know. He could have sat there and played the stock market. he could have been a CEO while guys like us do all the work.
How he got his money is not in question. I never said it was. Buying tags that aren't available to everybody is what i'm talking about. I could win Powerball tomorrow and i'd still hunt the same as I do now. Putting in for the draw like everybody else. I also believe in fair chase hunting.
As much as it bothers you enough to write about it. I'm entitled to my opinion and will feel anyway I want to about it.
Clownpuncher
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Muley, you are exactly right. 110%. I'm not here telling you that you can't bash him, I just said it doesn't make much sense to me. I'll never have a governors tag either but I probably would if I had money to spare. This guy is going to get inundated with every Tom,#####, and Harry outfitter showing him game camera photo after game camera photo of giant Miley?s. That's the part I don't like because they spend $10-$20,000 on outfitters to find a big deer. I know if I had a governors tag, I'd be gone the rest of the year trying to find my own giant! My worst fear would be finding a 230? buck on the first day and being done!
Although, you can't tell me CEO?s don't work hard and everyone else makes them all the money!! That's not the way that works. But you're right, I get my tags the same way you do, or I should say the lack of tags the same way you do. Actually I should say, I don't get my tags the same way, I can't draw crap!
Although, you can't tell me CEO?s don't work hard and everyone else makes them all the money!! That's not the way that works. But you're right, I get my tags the same way you do, or I should say the lack of tags the same way you do. Actually I should say, I don't get my tags the same way, I can't draw crap!
Muley - you are absolutely correct on all of your posts pertaining to this topic. What's really pathetic is the amount of posters who disagree with you and their feeble reasoning. The highly successful North American Model of Wildlife Conservation is based upon the premise that wildlife is held in public trust for ALL people by the respective state for the benefit and enjoyment of their citizens regardless of wealth, social status, etc.
Of course cash strapped game and fish departments have had to look for new avenues to fund wildlife conservation, hence the auction of certain tags. The only way those tags should be used for funding wildlife conservation is via a raffle wherein the price for each entry is known before the raffle, each person in the raffle is limited to one chance, and the winner may not transfer the tag to anyone else.
Sadly most western game and fish departments with their auction tags have become nothing but pimps for the wealthy. Utah DWR and their relationship with the self serving mormons at Sportsman for Fish and Wildlife is the best example.
The post about one bidder having potentially acquired five other western auction type tags should make everyone on this post cry foul.
Keep up the fight muley. You're to be commended for trying to inject some reasoning into this debate.
Of course cash strapped game and fish departments have had to look for new avenues to fund wildlife conservation, hence the auction of certain tags. The only way those tags should be used for funding wildlife conservation is via a raffle wherein the price for each entry is known before the raffle, each person in the raffle is limited to one chance, and the winner may not transfer the tag to anyone else.
Sadly most western game and fish departments with their auction tags have become nothing but pimps for the wealthy. Utah DWR and their relationship with the self serving mormons at Sportsman for Fish and Wildlife is the best example.
The post about one bidder having potentially acquired five other western auction type tags should make everyone on this post cry foul.
Keep up the fight muley. You're to be commended for trying to inject some reasoning into this debate.
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>
>
> He has done nothing
>illegal, get over it.
Exactly
>
> He has done nothing
>illegal, get over it.
Exactly
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>>
>> He has done nothing
>>illegal, get over it.
>
>Neither have I. I'm just voicing
>my opinion. Isn't that what
>forums are for?
Yes you do , l just put things into perspective, I do out of State hunting but some of my friends can't aford it and some of them gripe about it ,just my two cents
>>
>> He has done nothing
>>illegal, get over it.
>
>Neither have I. I'm just voicing
>my opinion. Isn't that what
>forums are for?
Yes you do , l just put things into perspective, I do out of State hunting but some of my friends can't aford it and some of them gripe about it ,just my two cents
LAST EDITED ON May-22-18 AT 09:05AM (MST)[p]>How he got his money is
>not in question. I never
>said it was. Buying tags
>that aren't available to everybody
>is what i'm talking about.
>
You jealous Muley? You said buying tags that aren't available to everybody is what your talking about, but guess what that tag was available to EVERYBODY including you but you Chose to not buy it. Now maybe you didn't buy it cause you can't afford it or you don't agree with the selling of tags like this or whatever your reason might be that is 100% perfectly fine but the Colorado parks and wildlife or whoever it was selling the tag didn't exclude you or anyone else from having the opportunity to purchase this tag.
>not in question. I never
>said it was. Buying tags
>that aren't available to everybody
>is what i'm talking about.
>
You jealous Muley? You said buying tags that aren't available to everybody is what your talking about, but guess what that tag was available to EVERYBODY including you but you Chose to not buy it. Now maybe you didn't buy it cause you can't afford it or you don't agree with the selling of tags like this or whatever your reason might be that is 100% perfectly fine but the Colorado parks and wildlife or whoever it was selling the tag didn't exclude you or anyone else from having the opportunity to purchase this tag.
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No, being jealous is not part of my personality. I'm not even talking about myself when it comes to the governor tags. I'm content with how and where I hunt.
When I say it's not available to everybody i'm talking about the cost. The rich have big advantages in life. I'd like to see hunting as not one of them. Simple as that.
I'm not even blaming the rich so much, but I think they're foolish for spending that kind of money. Just because you're rich doesn't mean you should spend it foolishly. No, i'm actually blaming that the tags are available at all.
When I say it's not available to everybody i'm talking about the cost. The rich have big advantages in life. I'd like to see hunting as not one of them. Simple as that.
I'm not even blaming the rich so much, but I think they're foolish for spending that kind of money. Just because you're rich doesn't mean you should spend it foolishly. No, i'm actually blaming that the tags are available at all.
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Hairston from kuiu bought a California desert sheep tag for 230k last year. He said he did it that way because he wanted to finish his slam in California, and there was word out that outfitters had a monster ram pegged- turned out to be some kind of world record. Hell, if I had the cash, I would be hunting all over this green planet. In all honesty though, when you are awarded a tag by luck, you feel very blessed for the opportunity; if you buy a tag without any luck, I would imagine you would feel like you need to make the most of your investment. Kind of like the difference between an elk tenderloin you humped out on your back for 10 miles vs buying a tenderloin at the store, and personally I know that I enjoy that elk tenderloin a hell of a lot more than the USDA prime I picked up at the store.
Cheers- Dave
Cheers- Dave
Muley
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>Hairston from kuiu bought a California
>desert sheep tag for 230k
>last year. He said
>he did it that way
>because he wanted to finish
>his slam in California, and
>there was word out that
>outfitters had a monster ram
>pegged- turned out to be
>some kind of world record.
> Hell, if I had
>the cash, I would be
>hunting all over this green
>planet. In all honesty
>though, when you are awarded
>a tag by luck, you
>feel very blessed for the
>opportunity; if you buy a
>tag without any luck, I
>would imagine you would feel
>like you need to make
>the most of your investment.
> Kind of like the
>difference between an elk tenderloin
>you humped out on your
>back for 10 miles vs
>buying a tenderloin at the
>store, and personally I know
>that I enjoy that elk
>tenderloin a hell of a
>lot more than the USDA
>prime I picked up at
>the store.
>
>Cheers- Dave
Exactly! If I didn't do every part of the hunt myself i'd feel empty and undeserving of the meat. We're all different though. As long as you're pleasing yourself you can't go wrong. Just be honest with yourself and know for sure you're doing what pleases you and not others.
This is a signature I normally use on forums. It sort of explains me.
"You have reached the pinnacle of success as soon as you become uninterested in money, compliments, or publicity."
>desert sheep tag for 230k
>last year. He said
>he did it that way
>because he wanted to finish
>his slam in California, and
>there was word out that
>outfitters had a monster ram
>pegged- turned out to be
>some kind of world record.
> Hell, if I had
>the cash, I would be
>hunting all over this green
>planet. In all honesty
>though, when you are awarded
>a tag by luck, you
>feel very blessed for the
>opportunity; if you buy a
>tag without any luck, I
>would imagine you would feel
>like you need to make
>the most of your investment.
> Kind of like the
>difference between an elk tenderloin
>you humped out on your
>back for 10 miles vs
>buying a tenderloin at the
>store, and personally I know
>that I enjoy that elk
>tenderloin a hell of a
>lot more than the USDA
>prime I picked up at
>the store.
>
>Cheers- Dave
Exactly! If I didn't do every part of the hunt myself i'd feel empty and undeserving of the meat. We're all different though. As long as you're pleasing yourself you can't go wrong. Just be honest with yourself and know for sure you're doing what pleases you and not others.
This is a signature I normally use on forums. It sort of explains me.
"You have reached the pinnacle of success as soon as you become uninterested in money, compliments, or publicity."
Muley, I understand your point but you say your content with where and how you hunt, so since your content with what the opportunities that you have now, you should thank those that are more fortunate and are able to spend 100k+ on a tag that's supports conservation and keeping areas open to hunt and not call him foolish. Who knows maybe some of that money he spent goes to protect an area that your content with hunting in and without this extra money that could be gone.
Now I know in a perfect world those people would just write a check and donate the money and want nothing in return and we wouldn't have this issue at all but unfortunately it's not that way.
Like I said I completely understand where your coming from and yes it is much easier for the rich but sometimes you gotta take the good with the bad in this imperfect world.
Now I know in a perfect world those people would just write a check and donate the money and want nothing in return and we wouldn't have this issue at all but unfortunately it's not that way.
Like I said I completely understand where your coming from and yes it is much easier for the rich but sometimes you gotta take the good with the bad in this imperfect world.
Muley - they don't comprehend or don't want to comprehend that the auction (sale) of a public resource should not become more available to the most wealthy of hunters. Look at the dearth of critical thinking skills exhibited by the post about voting for Bernie Sanders.
LAST EDITED ON May-22-18 AT 01:07PM (MST)[p]
Anybody see SB 18-137? A raffle won't work the way they run it, it'll just take tags out of the pool.
https://www.gohunt.com/read/news/colorado-introduces-controversial-big-game-bill
#livelikezac
Anybody see SB 18-137? A raffle won't work the way they run it, it'll just take tags out of the pool.
https://www.gohunt.com/read/news/colorado-introduces-controversial-big-game-bill
#livelikezac
Muley
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>Muley - they don't comprehend or
>don't want to comprehend that
>the auction (sale) of a
>public resource should not become
>more available to the most
>wealthy of hunters. Look
>at the dearth of critical
>thinking skills exhibited by the
>post about voting for Bernie
>Sanders.
True. I was just playing along.
>don't want to comprehend that
>the auction (sale) of a
>public resource should not become
>more available to the most
>wealthy of hunters. Look
>at the dearth of critical
>thinking skills exhibited by the
>post about voting for Bernie
>Sanders.
True. I was just playing along.
Muley
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>LAST EDITED ON May-22-18
>AT 01:07?PM (MST)
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>
>
>Anybody see SB 18-137? A raffle
>won't work the way they
>run it, it'll just take
>tags out of the pool.
>
>
>
>https://www.gohunt.com/read/news/colorado-introduces-controversial-big-game-bill
>
>
>#livelikezac
It's pretty obvious why the DOW has a money problem if it takes almost 278K to run the raffle.
>AT 01:07?PM (MST)
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>
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>Anybody see SB 18-137? A raffle
>won't work the way they
>run it, it'll just take
>tags out of the pool.
>
>
>
>https://www.gohunt.com/read/news/colorado-introduces-controversial-big-game-bill
>
>
>#livelikezac
It's pretty obvious why the DOW has a money problem if it takes almost 278K to run the raffle.
Carnage2011
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>Muley - they don't comprehend or
>don't want to comprehend that
>the auction (sale) of a
>public resource should not become
>more available to the most
>wealthy of hunters. Look
>at the dearth of critical
>thinking skills exhibited by the
>post about voting for Bernie
>Sanders.
Rambo,
Can you explain to us how this tag wasn't available to you? or anyone else for that matter? Last time I checked I could have walked in there and bid on it just as easily as the guy who bought it.
>don't want to comprehend that
>the auction (sale) of a
>public resource should not become
>more available to the most
>wealthy of hunters. Look
>at the dearth of critical
>thinking skills exhibited by the
>post about voting for Bernie
>Sanders.
Rambo,
Can you explain to us how this tag wasn't available to you? or anyone else for that matter? Last time I checked I could have walked in there and bid on it just as easily as the guy who bought it.
Muley
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It depends on how you want to define "available."
You can make something unavailable by putting a high price on it. Especially, when you're talking about a hunting tag which has a set value that's nowhere near the selling price.
The facts are that governor tags go only to the rich. If you're not in that small group the tag is not available to you.
You can make something unavailable by putting a high price on it. Especially, when you're talking about a hunting tag which has a set value that's nowhere near the selling price.
The facts are that governor tags go only to the rich. If you're not in that small group the tag is not available to you.
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Hmmmm...I disagree. I'd say governors tags go to those that make them a priority. If a guy truly wants to buy a colorado governors tag for mule deer then they can make that their goal and save the money needed. It may take a couple years or maybe even a decade, but if they really want to hunt it than they need to take the steps required to obtain it. The only people that this tag wasn't "available" to were those that aren't willing to spend that kind of money, or those that didn't want it. It's all about priorities.....I never thought I'd have the money to hunt Moose in AK, but I saved the money needed and booked a hunt. It's a different scale on governors tags, but the same principle.
LAST EDITED ON May-22-18 AT 03:53PM (MST)[p]>I'd rather have a Ferrari.
>
>A deer is a deer.
Then go buy a Ferrari and stop worrying about how much other people spend on a deer tag. If it truly bothers you that much then do something to help the situation not just complain about it.
>
>A deer is a deer.
Then go buy a Ferrari and stop worrying about how much other people spend on a deer tag. If it truly bothers you that much then do something to help the situation not just complain about it.
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>LAST EDITED ON May-22-18
>AT 03:53?PM (MST)
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>>I'd rather have a Ferrari.
>>
>>A deer is a deer.
>
>
>Then go buy a Ferrari and
>stop worrying about how much
>other people spend on a
>deer tag. If it truly
>bothers you that much then
>do something to help the
>situation not just complain about
>it.
Voicing an opinion is not complaining. I'm not bothered at all. I chuckle at some of the reactions though.
I've bought tags every year for 63 years. Haven't I done my part?
>AT 03:53?PM (MST)
>
>>I'd rather have a Ferrari.
>>
>>A deer is a deer.
>
>
>Then go buy a Ferrari and
>stop worrying about how much
>other people spend on a
>deer tag. If it truly
>bothers you that much then
>do something to help the
>situation not just complain about
>it.
Voicing an opinion is not complaining. I'm not bothered at all. I chuckle at some of the reactions though.
I've bought tags every year for 63 years. Haven't I done my part?
So if gohunt posts quotes from the newspaper The Gazette about a raffle does that make it factual about the raffle?
Does an auction take a tag or tags out of the pool?
If you'd read the article you would see reference to a fiscal analysis that 1/2 of the funds would go to administer the raffle and 1/2 to habitat conservation, recruitment of new hunters, and supposedly protection of other programs. Neither the fiscal analysis or the other programs were identified. Administration should not take 1/2 and recruitment of new hunters is not wildlife conservation.
You would also read (just as I have opined) that tickets would have a set price and there would be a limit on how many tickets one person could purchase as opposed to an auction wherein only the wealthiest of hunters have a chance at obtaining the tag.
Does an auction take a tag or tags out of the pool?
If you'd read the article you would see reference to a fiscal analysis that 1/2 of the funds would go to administer the raffle and 1/2 to habitat conservation, recruitment of new hunters, and supposedly protection of other programs. Neither the fiscal analysis or the other programs were identified. Administration should not take 1/2 and recruitment of new hunters is not wildlife conservation.
You would also read (just as I have opined) that tickets would have a set price and there would be a limit on how many tickets one person could purchase as opposed to an auction wherein only the wealthiest of hunters have a chance at obtaining the tag.
Muley and Rambopup I completely disagree with your reasoning.
Like others have posted. How many general tags have to be sold to equal one governors tag? Money generated from those tags go to help ALL hunters. Even the complaining jealous ones.
You say you would rather have a Ferrari. Well with your same reasoning, their shouldn't be any Ferrari's. Because only a few rich could afford them. We should all drive standard cheep car's, even used cars, because driving a new car is a waste of money. You loose thousands just driving of the new car lot.
I'm dang glad that their are people willing to spend/donate a lot of money to hunt expensive tags. The money generated helps, with wildlife and habitat, which helps me, and my kids future in hunting, something that is important to me.
Like others have posted. How many general tags have to be sold to equal one governors tag? Money generated from those tags go to help ALL hunters. Even the complaining jealous ones.
You say you would rather have a Ferrari. Well with your same reasoning, their shouldn't be any Ferrari's. Because only a few rich could afford them. We should all drive standard cheep car's, even used cars, because driving a new car is a waste of money. You loose thousands just driving of the new car lot.
I'm dang glad that their are people willing to spend/donate a lot of money to hunt expensive tags. The money generated helps, with wildlife and habitat, which helps me, and my kids future in hunting, something that is important to me.
If your so gung ho positive about people willing to spend their money why not offer all tags in Colorado at auction to the highest (wealthiest) bidders!
If those willing and able to pay $110,000 for a Governors mule deer tag are so concerned about wildlife habitat/conservation then why don't they just donate the money to CPW?
Oh - I just realized I forgot about the me first greed aspect of the whole charade! Heck they're better hunters than the rest of us - they deserve it.
If those willing and able to pay $110,000 for a Governors mule deer tag are so concerned about wildlife habitat/conservation then why don't they just donate the money to CPW?
Oh - I just realized I forgot about the me first greed aspect of the whole charade! Heck they're better hunters than the rest of us - they deserve it.
Rambo, I basically agree with you but question why you feel the need to bring religion into this debate? Your post about Utah and the self serving Mormons is off base,If they were J.W. or Catholic would you have brought that up? And are you sure all the hierarchy of S.F.W. are Mormon? If you had dropped the second m in mormon I could accept that. Sorry to inform you that I am one of those Utah Mormons and I am neither self serving or a member of the hated SFW
Carnage2011
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> If your so gung
>ho positive about people willing
>to spend their money why
>not offer all tags in
>Colorado at auction to the
>highest (wealthiest) bidders!
>
>If those willing and able to
>pay $110,000 for a Governors
>mule deer tag are so
>concerned about wildlife habitat/conservation then
>why don't they just donate
>the money to CPW?
>
>Oh - I just realized I
>forgot about the me first
>greed aspect of the whole
>charade! Heck they're better
>hunters than the rest of
>us - they deserve it.
>
I felt like this was a fairly level headed conversation until you joined in. It's 1 tag....just because you can't afford it doesn't mean we shouldn't have one. The bottom line is that it raises money for wildlife and it's ONE tag.
As far as your last paragraph....your entire argument is based on the "me first greed aspect." Because you don't have the means to purchase this tag you don't believe anyone should have this option.
No one ever said they were better hunter's either....
>ho positive about people willing
>to spend their money why
>not offer all tags in
>Colorado at auction to the
>highest (wealthiest) bidders!
>
>If those willing and able to
>pay $110,000 for a Governors
>mule deer tag are so
>concerned about wildlife habitat/conservation then
>why don't they just donate
>the money to CPW?
>
>Oh - I just realized I
>forgot about the me first
>greed aspect of the whole
>charade! Heck they're better
>hunters than the rest of
>us - they deserve it.
>
I felt like this was a fairly level headed conversation until you joined in. It's 1 tag....just because you can't afford it doesn't mean we shouldn't have one. The bottom line is that it raises money for wildlife and it's ONE tag.
As far as your last paragraph....your entire argument is based on the "me first greed aspect." Because you don't have the means to purchase this tag you don't believe anyone should have this option.
No one ever said they were better hunter's either....
Sorry to burst your bubble but my entire argument is based on the North American Model of Wildlife Conservation. If one truly understands that model there's no basis for auctioning off a public resource held in public trust to the wealthiest hunter. How do you know whether or not I have the means to purchase a Governors tag?
Carnage2011
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I fully understand the North American model of Wildlife Conservation. What I don't understand is how guys like you can ##### about us auctioning off one governor's tag. Whether or not a tag is only available to the wealthiest hunter is completely subjective......A Nevada deer tag will cost a NR about $390. I know many guys that think that is outrageous. Should we complain about that being "only for the wealthy?" Montana Combo tags are around $1,000 and many people can't afford that. The amount one is willing to spend on a tag is a personal choice. If a hunter only hunts their home state because they can't afford to travel out of state does it mean that the public resource isn't available to all?
PS-You're not bursting my bubble. I was simply stating my opinion to Muley regarding auction tags.
PS-You're not bursting my bubble. I was simply stating my opinion to Muley regarding auction tags.
MassTracker
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>No, being jealous is not part
>of my personality. I'm not
>even talking about myself when
>it comes to the governor
>tags. I'm content with how
>and where I hunt.
>
>When I say it's not available
>to everybody i'm talking about
>the cost. The rich have
>big advantages in life. I'd
>like to see hunting as
>not one of them. Simple
>as that.
>
>I'm not even blaming the rich
>so much, but I think
>they're foolish for spending that
>kind of money. Just because
>you're rich doesn't mean you
>should spend it foolishly. No,
>i'm actually blaming that the
>tags are available at all.
>
Not saying your wrong, it's completly 100% your opinion...
But, I guarantee there's families in Africa and South America who don't know where there next meal is going to come from. I'm sure they would call me extremely foolish for buying my $50 Ca resident hunting lisence and $35 resident deer tag. The rest of you probably should just call me foolish for living in this idiotic state in the first place, let alone hunt a non existent Ca deer heard. Lol
Perspective perspective!
>of my personality. I'm not
>even talking about myself when
>it comes to the governor
>tags. I'm content with how
>and where I hunt.
>
>When I say it's not available
>to everybody i'm talking about
>the cost. The rich have
>big advantages in life. I'd
>like to see hunting as
>not one of them. Simple
>as that.
>
>I'm not even blaming the rich
>so much, but I think
>they're foolish for spending that
>kind of money. Just because
>you're rich doesn't mean you
>should spend it foolishly. No,
>i'm actually blaming that the
>tags are available at all.
>
Not saying your wrong, it's completly 100% your opinion...
But, I guarantee there's families in Africa and South America who don't know where there next meal is going to come from. I'm sure they would call me extremely foolish for buying my $50 Ca resident hunting lisence and $35 resident deer tag. The rest of you probably should just call me foolish for living in this idiotic state in the first place, let alone hunt a non existent Ca deer heard. Lol
Perspective perspective!
>Sorry to burst your bubble but
>my entire argument is based
>on the North American Model
>of Wildlife Conservation. If
>one truly understands that model
>there's no basis for auctioning
>off a public resource held
>in public trust to the
>wealthiest hunter. How
>do you know whether or
>not I have the means
>to purchase a Governors tag?
>
It is pretty obvious that you don't have the financial ability to purchase this tag without it causing strain on your pocket book. That's ok. Nobody is knocking you for it.
Jealousy is a disease. I wish you the speediest of recoveries.
>my entire argument is based
>on the North American Model
>of Wildlife Conservation. If
>one truly understands that model
>there's no basis for auctioning
>off a public resource held
>in public trust to the
>wealthiest hunter. How
>do you know whether or
>not I have the means
>to purchase a Governors tag?
>
It is pretty obvious that you don't have the financial ability to purchase this tag without it causing strain on your pocket book. That's ok. Nobody is knocking you for it.
Jealousy is a disease. I wish you the speediest of recoveries.
Congratulations to the auction winner. I have learned that we all make choices in life and have priorities that differ from one another. Obviously this man puts a priority on hunting big deer and contributing to a cause he deems worthy.
There will always be people in life that are sour grapes and think those who have become more successful than they are- must be lazier, not as hard working, got lucky, etc... when in fact most of the successful people I meet are extremely hard workers and also use their minds as a part of the tool box! JMHO
There will always be people in life that are sour grapes and think those who have become more successful than they are- must be lazier, not as hard working, got lucky, etc... when in fact most of the successful people I meet are extremely hard workers and also use their minds as a part of the tool box! JMHO
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If I could buy governors tags for $100 I'd buy everyone I could get my hands on! That's about what it is to these folks, and the money goes to conservation groups actually putting the money on the ground for the rest of us to benefit. Keeping it one raffle tag and one auction tag/species is a reasonable deal IMO.
And for $25 anyone can get into the raffle for the other Governor's tag.
http://cpw.state.co.us/thingstodo/Pages/RaffleAuction.aspx
#livelikezac
If I could buy governors tags for $100 I'd buy everyone I could get my hands on! That's about what it is to these folks, and the money goes to conservation groups actually putting the money on the ground for the rest of us to benefit. Keeping it one raffle tag and one auction tag/species is a reasonable deal IMO.
And for $25 anyone can get into the raffle for the other Governor's tag.
http://cpw.state.co.us/thingstodo/Pages/RaffleAuction.aspx
#livelikezac
Muley
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That's not the point. He could donate that money any time he wanted to. I'm sure he hasn't and wouldn't. He paid the money for the tag. It's foolish. How rich he is has nothing to do with it.
Most rich people spend the money foolishly. This is just another example. Jealousy has nothing to do with calling him out on it.
Most rich people spend the money foolishly. This is just another example. Jealousy has nothing to do with calling him out on it.
>A fool is a fool whether
>rich or poor. Simple as
>that.
Muley,
I'm sure there's things you've purchased or own that others may consider foolish but what you choose to do with your own money is your choice. What's foolish to others may not be foolish to you. Same with the guy who purchased the tag, that may be foolish to you but maybe not to others.
Thanks for your opinion on the subject but everyone else has a right to their own opinion also, no need to be name calling just cause you don't agree.
>rich or poor. Simple as
>that.
Muley,
I'm sure there's things you've purchased or own that others may consider foolish but what you choose to do with your own money is your choice. What's foolish to others may not be foolish to you. Same with the guy who purchased the tag, that may be foolish to you but maybe not to others.
Thanks for your opinion on the subject but everyone else has a right to their own opinion also, no need to be name calling just cause you don't agree.
>I've bought tags every year for
>63 years. Haven't I done
>my part?
Thats great that you've purchased tags every year for 63 years and feel that you've ?done your part?. But this one governors tag put more into conservation in one day than you have in 63 years.
So you want a pat on the back but you think he's a fool.
>63 years. Haven't I done
>my part?
Thats great that you've purchased tags every year for 63 years and feel that you've ?done your part?. But this one governors tag put more into conservation in one day than you have in 63 years.
So you want a pat on the back but you think he's a fool.
>I've bought tags every year for
>63 years. Haven't I done
>my part?
Thats great that you've purchased tags every year for 63 years and feel that you've ?done your part?. But this one governors tag put more into conservation in one day than you have in 63 years.
So you want a pat on the back but you think he's a fool.
>63 years. Haven't I done
>my part?
Thats great that you've purchased tags every year for 63 years and feel that you've ?done your part?. But this one governors tag put more into conservation in one day than you have in 63 years.
So you want a pat on the back but you think he's a fool.
Muley
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You guys are funny.
Yes, i've bought some things others have thought were foolish. If they called me foolish and they might have i'd deserve it. I won't give the guy credit for helping conservation unless that was his goal. I don't think it was. I give the DOW credit for suckering him into spending 110k for a tag.
I was really done after my first post but you guys kept it up and I responded. I don't want to be rude and ignore you.
I'm done if you are.
Yes, i've bought some things others have thought were foolish. If they called me foolish and they might have i'd deserve it. I won't give the guy credit for helping conservation unless that was his goal. I don't think it was. I give the DOW credit for suckering him into spending 110k for a tag.
I was really done after my first post but you guys kept it up and I responded. I don't want to be rude and ignore you.
I'm done if you are.
stalker
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At least some of the money from this sale might be used for actual wildlife issues.
I was talking with a client just a couple of weeks ago. He stated that he had a friend that was well off and had just retired. His goal for the next several years was to spend $2M a year on hunting. The first year he bought $1.5m in property so he could get tags. None of that money is going to be used for wildlife improvement and may have just closed off an area that was open to hunting before. I would rather he bought the Gov. tag.
I was talking with a client just a couple of weeks ago. He stated that he had a friend that was well off and had just retired. His goal for the next several years was to spend $2M a year on hunting. The first year he bought $1.5m in property so he could get tags. None of that money is going to be used for wildlife improvement and may have just closed off an area that was open to hunting before. I would rather he bought the Gov. tag.
>You guys are funny.
>
>Yes, i've bought some things others
>have thought were foolish. If
>they called me foolish and
>they might have i'd deserve
>it. I won't give the
>guy credit for helping conservation
>unless that was his goal.
>I don't think it was.
>I give the DOW credit
>for suckering him into spending
>110k for a tag.
>
>I was really done after my
>first post but you guys
>kept it up and I
>responded. I don't want to
>be rude and ignore you.
>
>
>I'm done if you are.
If you won't give him credit then you deserve none either. Cause if your intentions weren't the same as his then you would have also just donated your money over the last 63 years and not bought tags. So I'll agree if conservation was his only goal he would Just donate the money, but at the end of the day your intentions are the same as his. You both purchase licenses, portions of your purchase go towards allowing all of us to enjoy what we do wether that was your intention or not. So when these tags sell for tons of money it does more in one day than most of us can do in a lifetime weather you agree with the tag sales or not.
I'm done now.
>
>Yes, i've bought some things others
>have thought were foolish. If
>they called me foolish and
>they might have i'd deserve
>it. I won't give the
>guy credit for helping conservation
>unless that was his goal.
>I don't think it was.
>I give the DOW credit
>for suckering him into spending
>110k for a tag.
>
>I was really done after my
>first post but you guys
>kept it up and I
>responded. I don't want to
>be rude and ignore you.
>
>
>I'm done if you are.
If you won't give him credit then you deserve none either. Cause if your intentions weren't the same as his then you would have also just donated your money over the last 63 years and not bought tags. So I'll agree if conservation was his only goal he would Just donate the money, but at the end of the day your intentions are the same as his. You both purchase licenses, portions of your purchase go towards allowing all of us to enjoy what we do wether that was your intention or not. So when these tags sell for tons of money it does more in one day than most of us can do in a lifetime weather you agree with the tag sales or not.
I'm done now.
You have purchased a tag every year for 63 years? Congrats. I gotta say that I don't know too many 81 year old folks who are forum warriors.....much less 81 and still get out and get it done in the woods. Pretty impressive.
Or it's not impressive because you are full of it. Whichever.
You guys that harp on the folks who buy governor's tags need to grow up and get a grip on reality. If you want to spew your stuff then feel free. But at least have some self-awareness and own your crap. You are jealous. Plain and simple.
Or it's not impressive because you are full of it. Whichever.
You guys that harp on the folks who buy governor's tags need to grow up and get a grip on reality. If you want to spew your stuff then feel free. But at least have some self-awareness and own your crap. You are jealous. Plain and simple.
Muley
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LAST EDITED ON May-24-18 AT 01:17PM (MST)[p]>You have purchased a tag every
>year for 63 years?
>Congrats. I gotta say
>that I don't know too
>many 81 year old folks
>who are forum warriors.....much less
>81 and still get out
>and get it done in
>the woods. Pretty impressive.
>
>
>Or it's not impressive because you
>are full of it.
>Whichever.
>
>You guys that harp on the
>folks who buy governor's tags
>need to grow up and
>get a grip on reality.
> If you want to
>spew your stuff then feel
>free. But at least
>have some self-awareness and own
>your crap. You are
>jealous. Plain and simple.
>
Did you fail arithmetic in school? I'm 75.
Not full of it. I can prove everything I say. You think i'm jealous because you probably are and can't believe anybody else wouldn't be. Pretty sad dude.
Why would I need or want a governor's tag? I'm not a trophy hunter and can a deer tag for $34 and hunt exactly where I want to. Which is where I live. I get up in the morning and drive 15 min to the hunting areas. I'd never change that.
btw...There's a member on this forum called FrontierGander. Ask him. He knows me.
>year for 63 years?
>Congrats. I gotta say
>that I don't know too
>many 81 year old folks
>who are forum warriors.....much less
>81 and still get out
>and get it done in
>the woods. Pretty impressive.
>
>
>Or it's not impressive because you
>are full of it.
>Whichever.
>
>You guys that harp on the
>folks who buy governor's tags
>need to grow up and
>get a grip on reality.
> If you want to
>spew your stuff then feel
>free. But at least
>have some self-awareness and own
>your crap. You are
>jealous. Plain and simple.
>
Did you fail arithmetic in school? I'm 75.
Not full of it. I can prove everything I say. You think i'm jealous because you probably are and can't believe anybody else wouldn't be. Pretty sad dude.
Why would I need or want a governor's tag? I'm not a trophy hunter and can a deer tag for $34 and hunt exactly where I want to. Which is where I live. I get up in the morning and drive 15 min to the hunting areas. I'd never change that.
btw...There's a member on this forum called FrontierGander. Ask him. He knows me.
BeDawg
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I don't fault him for spending money on a tag like that if the cost goes toward mule deer and habitat putting more tags in the pockets of everyone. Where I think they are foolish is when they thump their chests for shooting a massive buck and acting like they are the worlds toughest guy for taking an animal that is off limits to the rest of humanity.
LAST EDITED ON May-25-18 AT 01:23PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON May-25-18 AT 01:22?PM (MST)
>LAST EDITED ON May-24-18
>AT 01:17?PM (MST)
>
>>You have purchased a tag every
>>year for 63 years?
>>Congrats. I gotta say
>>that I don't know too
>>many 81 year old folks
>>who are forum warriors.....much less
>>81 and still get out
>>and get it done in
>>the woods. Pretty impressive.
>>
>>
>>Or it's not impressive because you
>>are full of it.
>>Whichever.
>>
>>You guys that harp on the
>>folks who buy governor's tags
>>need to grow up and
>>get a grip on reality.
>> If you want to
>>spew your stuff then feel
>>free. But at least
>>have some self-awareness and own
>>your crap. You are
>>jealous. Plain and simple.
>>
>
>Did you fail arithmetic in school?
>I'm 75.
>
>Not full of it. I can
>prove everything I say. You
>think i'm jealous because you
>probably are and can't believe
>anybody else wouldn't be. Pretty
>sad dude.
>
>Why would I need or want
>a governor's tag? I'm not
>a trophy hunter and can
>a deer tag for $34
>and hunt exactly where I
>want to. Which is where
>I live. I get up
>in the morning and drive
>15 min to the hunting
>areas. I'd never change that.
>
>
>btw...There's a member on this forum
>called FrontierGander. Ask him. He
>knows me.
Nope. Didn't fail anything. I just know that you can't legally buy a tag unless you are 18. Someone can buy it for you but you can't enter into that contract until you are 18 years old. So.......you didn't buy a tag. Someone may have purchased one for you......maybe. Or maybe you are full of it. I know which one I'd bet on.
Honestly, I'm not jealous of anything. Unlike you, I could purchase that tag without it affecting my financial well-being. I'm not bragging. Just pointing out that there is nothing at all for me to be jealous of. You on the other hand......
It's blatantly obvious that you and your pup buddy are jealous and bitter towards those who have achieved higher levels of financial success than you. It's really ok. Just own it.
>LAST EDITED ON May-24-18
>AT 01:17?PM (MST)
>
>>You have purchased a tag every
>>year for 63 years?
>>Congrats. I gotta say
>>that I don't know too
>>many 81 year old folks
>>who are forum warriors.....much less
>>81 and still get out
>>and get it done in
>>the woods. Pretty impressive.
>>
>>
>>Or it's not impressive because you
>>are full of it.
>>Whichever.
>>
>>You guys that harp on the
>>folks who buy governor's tags
>>need to grow up and
>>get a grip on reality.
>> If you want to
>>spew your stuff then feel
>>free. But at least
>>have some self-awareness and own
>>your crap. You are
>>jealous. Plain and simple.
>>
>
>Did you fail arithmetic in school?
>I'm 75.
>
>Not full of it. I can
>prove everything I say. You
>think i'm jealous because you
>probably are and can't believe
>anybody else wouldn't be. Pretty
>sad dude.
>
>Why would I need or want
>a governor's tag? I'm not
>a trophy hunter and can
>a deer tag for $34
>and hunt exactly where I
>want to. Which is where
>I live. I get up
>in the morning and drive
>15 min to the hunting
>areas. I'd never change that.
>
>
>btw...There's a member on this forum
>called FrontierGander. Ask him. He
>knows me.
Nope. Didn't fail anything. I just know that you can't legally buy a tag unless you are 18. Someone can buy it for you but you can't enter into that contract until you are 18 years old. So.......you didn't buy a tag. Someone may have purchased one for you......maybe. Or maybe you are full of it. I know which one I'd bet on.
Honestly, I'm not jealous of anything. Unlike you, I could purchase that tag without it affecting my financial well-being. I'm not bragging. Just pointing out that there is nothing at all for me to be jealous of. You on the other hand......
It's blatantly obvious that you and your pup buddy are jealous and bitter towards those who have achieved higher levels of financial success than you. It's really ok. Just own it.
NMBugleJunky
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>A fool is a fool whether
>rich or poor. Simple as
>that.
And you Sir, most definitely a fool!!!
Sounds like you go by "liberal logic"
>rich or poor. Simple as
>that.
And you Sir, most definitely a fool!!!
Sounds like you go by "liberal logic"
Muley
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What an ass you are. You don't have a clue what you're talking about. Which proves you're a keyboard hunter.
Read this straight from the DOW.
...........................................................
Youth Hunting License
Colorado residents and non-residents under the age of 18 may purchase a youth small game license.
Colorado residents and non-residents ages 12 to 18 may purchase a youth big game license.
........................................................
That's for now. Now try and imagine what the laws were in 1954 when I started.
I came from a hunting family. My dad started me and my brother hunting and fly fishing. Even though I could have bought my tags my dad bought all the tags. He kept all my chore money to go towards my tags. So, I did pay for them and I consider that buying them. He continued to buy all the tags until 1980 when he passed away.
I have nothing to prove to a clown like you. So, i'm done wasting my time. I doubt you're much of a hunter if at all. Please don't bother with pictures. They prove nothing.
Read this straight from the DOW.
...........................................................
Youth Hunting License
Colorado residents and non-residents under the age of 18 may purchase a youth small game license.
Colorado residents and non-residents ages 12 to 18 may purchase a youth big game license.
........................................................
That's for now. Now try and imagine what the laws were in 1954 when I started.
I came from a hunting family. My dad started me and my brother hunting and fly fishing. Even though I could have bought my tags my dad bought all the tags. He kept all my chore money to go towards my tags. So, I did pay for them and I consider that buying them. He continued to buy all the tags until 1980 when he passed away.
I have nothing to prove to a clown like you. So, i'm done wasting my time. I doubt you're much of a hunter if at all. Please don't bother with pictures. They prove nothing.
Muley
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>>A fool is a fool whether
>>rich or poor. Simple as
>>that.
>
>
>And you Sir, most definitely a
>fool!!!
>
>Sounds like you go by "liberal
>logic"
Not spending money foolishly is liberal? I was brought up to not spend money foolishly. I never found that to be a bad way to live.
There is no hunting tag worth 110k. What the money is used for has nothing to do with it. How rich the buyer has nothing to do with it. Everything has a set value. How am I fool for pointing that out? I feel anybody who thinks he got a good deal is a fool.
>>rich or poor. Simple as
>>that.
>
>
>And you Sir, most definitely a
>fool!!!
>
>Sounds like you go by "liberal
>logic"
Not spending money foolishly is liberal? I was brought up to not spend money foolishly. I never found that to be a bad way to live.
There is no hunting tag worth 110k. What the money is used for has nothing to do with it. How rich the buyer has nothing to do with it. Everything has a set value. How am I fool for pointing that out? I feel anybody who thinks he got a good deal is a fool.
Like I said......someone else bought your tags.
People who buy these tags rarely do so because it is a "value". Three reasons they buy the tag:
They do it for conservation. They do it because they love to hunt. They do it because they can.
Just because you may be able to achieve the first two but can't do the last doesn't mean that you have to attack those who can. Like I've said several times, it all comes down to jealousy. Sad that some folks (especially those who have lived for many years) cannot learn to be happy for others who have success in life (financial or otherwise).
FYI, jealousy doesn't hurt the guy who bought the tag. It will only eat at you and hurt you.
People who buy these tags rarely do so because it is a "value". Three reasons they buy the tag:
They do it for conservation. They do it because they love to hunt. They do it because they can.
Just because you may be able to achieve the first two but can't do the last doesn't mean that you have to attack those who can. Like I've said several times, it all comes down to jealousy. Sad that some folks (especially those who have lived for many years) cannot learn to be happy for others who have success in life (financial or otherwise).
FYI, jealousy doesn't hurt the guy who bought the tag. It will only eat at you and hurt you.
270Whatelse
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Who cares.........
Coloradoboy
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Never had a problem with auction tags that the proceeds go towards the given states species. The problem i have and fellow colorado residents have is that a non resident (utah) outfitter will most likely profit off a generous donation towards our deer herd.
Coloradoboy
Coloradoboy
DirtyTough
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Muley please stop with the spending money foolishly point. I'm a non res. A deer tag is $379 for me or so.
Let's say I hunt 4th season. That is a cost of $75.80 a day.
If I hunt archery the cost is only $13.54 per day. Obviously it's foolish of me to hunt 4th season since it is over 5 times the cost to hunt per day then archery right?
So from your point of view if you don't hunt with the least expensive tag possible you are a fool.
Or maybe it's worth it to me to hunt 4th season instead of archery. Or maybe it's worth it to me to hunt with a gov tag whenever I want during the season. People value things a lot differently then other people. It doesn't make them a fool because they would buy something you wouldn't.
And as for gov tag holders thumping their chests saying they are the best baddest greatest hunter around I haven't seen that on here, Facebook, etc. I doubt most people with that kind of money care what people on this site think. Can someone show a post on here where a gov tag holder posted a brag about how great of a hunter he/she is?
Not saying I agree or disagree with gov tags. But to call the people that buy them foolish or braggarts etc is wrong.
Let's say I hunt 4th season. That is a cost of $75.80 a day.
If I hunt archery the cost is only $13.54 per day. Obviously it's foolish of me to hunt 4th season since it is over 5 times the cost to hunt per day then archery right?
So from your point of view if you don't hunt with the least expensive tag possible you are a fool.
Or maybe it's worth it to me to hunt 4th season instead of archery. Or maybe it's worth it to me to hunt with a gov tag whenever I want during the season. People value things a lot differently then other people. It doesn't make them a fool because they would buy something you wouldn't.
And as for gov tag holders thumping their chests saying they are the best baddest greatest hunter around I haven't seen that on here, Facebook, etc. I doubt most people with that kind of money care what people on this site think. Can someone show a post on here where a gov tag holder posted a brag about how great of a hunter he/she is?
Not saying I agree or disagree with gov tags. But to call the people that buy them foolish or braggarts etc is wrong.
Deerhunter1
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I agree 270
Gonefishin
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This is the biggest Bernie Sanders loving pity party I've ever seen. Hunting is a pay to play game. If you can't accept that it's time for a new hobby. Try hemp braiding or mushroom gardening. Sheeesh
txhunter58
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>When money is spent foolishly. No
>matter how rich you are.
>You're still a fool.
>
>I'm also of the mindset that
>all hunters should be equal.
>Of course, it's not that
>way and the rich have
>big advantages. They get no
>respect from me and I
>know they could care less
>about that.
>
>Just because someone is successful financially.
>It shouldn't give them any
>right to have advantages over
>other hunters. They do because
>we let them.
I am also of the mindset that all "........" (insert anything you enjoy buying or doing) should be equal.
Uh, that is not how it works in a capitalistic democracy. What you are purporting is socialism.
txhunter58
venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
>matter how rich you are.
>You're still a fool.
>
>I'm also of the mindset that
>all hunters should be equal.
>Of course, it's not that
>way and the rich have
>big advantages. They get no
>respect from me and I
>know they could care less
>about that.
>
>Just because someone is successful financially.
>It shouldn't give them any
>right to have advantages over
>other hunters. They do because
>we let them.
I am also of the mindset that all "........" (insert anything you enjoy buying or doing) should be equal.
Uh, that is not how it works in a capitalistic democracy. What you are purporting is socialism.
txhunter58
venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
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>That's not the point. He could
>donate that money any time
>he wanted to. I'm sure
>he hasn't and wouldn't. He
>paid the money for the
>tag. It's foolish. How rich
>he is has nothing to
>do with it.
>
>Most rich people spend the money
>foolishly. This is just another
>example. Jealousy has nothing to
>do with calling him out
>on it.
You can tell when people don't have money and don't know how tax credits work.
>donate that money any time
>he wanted to. I'm sure
>he hasn't and wouldn't. He
>paid the money for the
>tag. It's foolish. How rich
>he is has nothing to
>do with it.
>
>Most rich people spend the money
>foolishly. This is just another
>example. Jealousy has nothing to
>do with calling him out
>on it.
You can tell when people don't have money and don't know how tax credits work.
All the money in the world doesn't buy other people's respect. Muley and Rambo are entitled to their opinions just the same as all of us. Fact - Gov tags are not in line with the North American model. Fact - The money spent on a gov tag supports hunting a heck of a lot more than other things big money gets spent on. There is no right or wrong answer to this one. As long as gov tags are a very small piece of the tag pie I have no problem with them.
tracker12
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>So this guy donates $112,000 (
>I was there Saturday night)
>to conservation and all anybody
>wants to do is bash
>him because he has more
>money than them and probably
>worked harder than 98% of
>the people out there. Guess
>how many over the counter
>tags the state has to
>sell to make up the
>revenue of one governors tag???
> A shitload. Why bash
>someone (whom you don't know
>at all,obviously, because no one
>knew how much it even
>went for) that is spending
>they're money for a cause
>we all believe in?? He
>could be spending it on
>anti-gun laws or some other
>crap but this is who
>you guys choose to rip
>on?? And gain
>what?
It's called jealousy!
>I was there Saturday night)
>to conservation and all anybody
>wants to do is bash
>him because he has more
>money than them and probably
>worked harder than 98% of
>the people out there. Guess
>how many over the counter
>tags the state has to
>sell to make up the
>revenue of one governors tag???
> A shitload. Why bash
>someone (whom you don't know
>at all,obviously, because no one
>knew how much it even
>went for) that is spending
>they're money for a cause
>we all believe in?? He
>could be spending it on
>anti-gun laws or some other
>crap but this is who
>you guys choose to rip
>on?? And gain
>what?
It's called jealousy!
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