How many 400" and above Bulls killed this year
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Oldshed
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LAST EDITED ON Oct-07-05 AT 07:44PM (MST)[p]Tough to say,
That may be about right.
I know of two for sure and a couple of pictures posted in here that may be, I will say I am anxious to see if that 414 "new world record" actually is, ya never know how things are going to shake out.
That may be about right.
I know of two for sure and a couple of pictures posted in here that may be, I will say I am anxious to see if that 414 "new world record" actually is, ya never know how things are going to shake out.
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ktc
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Gator,
Was this a 392 muzzleloader bull from the Pahvant? The Pahvant is producing some killer bulls this year. The magazines should be chuck full of big Pahvant bulls soon. I wonder if Garth Carter will make the Pahvant the number one elk unit in Utah next year.
Pahvant, Pahvant, Pahvant.;-)
Was this a 392 muzzleloader bull from the Pahvant? The Pahvant is producing some killer bulls this year. The magazines should be chuck full of big Pahvant bulls soon. I wonder if Garth Carter will make the Pahvant the number one elk unit in Utah next year.
Pahvant, Pahvant, Pahvant.;-)
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Prism
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Yep, everybody with 10 or more points would be crazy to put in for another unit. Put in for the Pahvant (please)!
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littlebuck
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the ML bull is from san juan. the Guy lives about 2 blocks from me. should score around 430
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Oldshed
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LAST EDITED ON Oct-09-05 AT 11:47PM (MST)[p]NO I meant that little "417 net" archery bull killed in AZ this year.
You cant get gas without seeing the picture up "pending world record"
I know it has been beat I was just being an Ass #ole
some guys dont post pictures everywhere after killing a bull
You cant get gas without seeing the picture up "pending world record"
I know it has been beat I was just being an Ass #ole
some guys dont post pictures everywhere after killing a bull
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WARBIRDUM
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The pahvant is once agian the unit to draw it looks like. Just when everyone thought it was shot out, just wait and see the elk harvest photos this year in the hunting magazines and I have heard from a good source that 2006 should be another great year on the pahvant for huge bulls the elk now should go into the winter in great shape and with another wet spring it could bump all the 360 plus bulls that were passed a very great chance at getting better mass and length next year.I know which unit I would put in for if I had max or near max points for elk.
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AZWALKER
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There is no way of knowing how good the bulls will be next year. If we have a dry winter and spring it won't make any difference how good they were this year. You could see a 410 bull this year drop down to the 380's if its dry next spring. To see excellent growth you need to have good winter moisture for early growth, good spring rains for mid-growth and good summer rains to carry length and mass to their upper half. Springs rains alone won't do it.
How many of us have seen bulls with great eye gaurds and low mass then get week up top or vice versa. Down here in AZ, we got great rains all winter spring and summer and because of the warm fall you won't see as many big bulls come in because it threw the rut all outta wack.
So unless your source is the almighty himself, they're talking out their ars.
Donnie
How many of us have seen bulls with great eye gaurds and low mass then get week up top or vice versa. Down here in AZ, we got great rains all winter spring and summer and because of the warm fall you won't see as many big bulls come in because it threw the rut all outta wack.
So unless your source is the almighty himself, they're talking out their ars.
Donnie
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ktc
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Well Donnie the older and dumber I get I find that the great water and feed has got nothing to do with horn growth. The Pahvant consistently produces some of the best bulls in Utah. This year was no exception. If the feed and horn growth story was true, then every bull in Utah should have added an addition 20 or more inches and that did not happen. Just another year with the premium units producing some of the biggest bulls. The Pahvant is where I am rolling the dice with max points.
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WARBIRDUM
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LAST EDITED ON Oct-10-05 AT 06:01PM (MST)[p]AZWALKER,
You are right and I understand everything you are saying.What I was trying to get at was that if we here in Utah get close to the same type of weather conditions in 2006 as we did in 2005 it will make for another great antler growing year which will lead to some more 400 type bulls being taken from the pahvant again.But thanks for the information on how a 410 bull will drop to a 380 in one year with dry conditions.
Dry,rain,sleet,or snow I would shoot the 380 bull anyday.
You are right and I understand everything you are saying.What I was trying to get at was that if we here in Utah get close to the same type of weather conditions in 2006 as we did in 2005 it will make for another great antler growing year which will lead to some more 400 type bulls being taken from the pahvant again.But thanks for the information on how a 410 bull will drop to a 380 in one year with dry conditions.
Dry,rain,sleet,or snow I would shoot the 380 bull anyday.
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ktc
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Oh, and one more thing. I believe that genetics and harvest have a lot more to do with antler growth than weather. In fact, last year after a 100 year drought the bulls were as big and bad as ever. This year after a drought breaking winter and summer the bulls are continuing to trend upwards as the past 10 years. Nothing out of the ordinary. The state record gets broke in Utah almost every year come rain or shine.
What causes all of the funky nontypicals in Arizona? Rain? Or genetics?
What causes all of the funky nontypicals in Arizona? Rain? Or genetics?
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AZWALKER
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ktc,
You are right, genetics has alot to do with it and sound management promotes good genetics but precipitation grows massive racks.
"Well Donnie the older and dumber I get I find that the great water and feed has got nothing to do with horn growth."
Sorry, you are wrong!
Moisture along with genetics, mineral content in the soil and good management all play a role in the size a bull can become. I've never been to the Pahvant but I have spent lots of time in Units 8, 9, and 10 here in AZ and I've seen what a drought will do to a bulls horn growth.
WARBIRDUM,
I apologize. I didn't mean to sound so condicending.
Donnie
You are right, genetics has alot to do with it and sound management promotes good genetics but precipitation grows massive racks.
"Well Donnie the older and dumber I get I find that the great water and feed has got nothing to do with horn growth."
Sorry, you are wrong!
Moisture along with genetics, mineral content in the soil and good management all play a role in the size a bull can become. I've never been to the Pahvant but I have spent lots of time in Units 8, 9, and 10 here in AZ and I've seen what a drought will do to a bulls horn growth.
WARBIRDUM,
I apologize. I didn't mean to sound so condicending.
Donnie
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ktc
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Thanks Donnie for the correction. I really am young and smart.
I was hoping all of the rants about antler growth this year were going to be true. I just did not see it I guess.
I was hoping all of the rants about antler growth this year were going to be true. I just did not see it I guess.
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Oldshed
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thats a good question
the ones I know of where not fenced bull crap..
however , the others i dunno
the ones I know of where not fenced bull crap..
however , the others i dunno
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WARBIRDUM
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ktc,
I am wondering how well the late elk hunts this year will pan out.This is a new hunt this year in Utah and it will be interesting to see if any more 400 bulls get taken this year, dates will be 11/12-11/18.The odds were great on drawing these non-rut tags and tag holders can use a rifle.
I am wondering how well the late elk hunts this year will pan out.This is a new hunt this year in Utah and it will be interesting to see if any more 400 bulls get taken this year, dates will be 11/12-11/18.The odds were great on drawing these non-rut tags and tag holders can use a rifle.
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ktc
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I don't know, but the way things are going surely Indian Peaks is due to produce the annual 400 bull. I talked to an outfitter and he was excited about these hunts. He laughed and said "they ought to be good." The DWR hopes the success will be low, but this guy felt it would be real high with bulls down low and a fairly easy hunt. I guess time will tell.
