stealing someone elses bull?

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azcoueshunter

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my uncle has a unit 7m tag here in az. today he shot a bull, and hit a little far back, no gut just barely hit the lungs, anyway they gave the 380in class bull an hour. when they returned and found the blood trial, after following it for a while they found the bulls gut pile!! someone had found the dead bull, gutted it and taken it home!! they called azgfd and they said that its to bad. my uncle had been hunting for a whole week and these were the only elk herd theyve found!! the weather has been awful. he is very furious!! has this ever happened to you? if so did you ever find your animal?

azcoueshunter
 
For the life of me I cannot understand the satisfaction of taking, shooting, or finishing someone else's animal. I personally want to do the job from start to finish myself. If someone else puts a bullet in it I figure it is not mine alone. If someone takes a dead animal they are a lowlife. This happened to us once and I just had to tell myself they wanted it a whole lot more than I did or needed it real bad. It was not a 380 bull though.

This behavior seems to pop up here a lot anymore. People will steal your wife, kids, and vehicle. Why not an elk? Bastards.
 
I agree ktc! What possible satisfaction could someone derive from an animal they didn't shoot?

Seems incredible that score is so important that people will resort to this sort of thing.

I saw it happen in Montana 20 years ago. A buddy shot a nice 6x6 bull, but didn't do a good job and didn't put the bull down after 4 shots and 4 hits.

The bull made it over a ridge a few hundered yards and they heard gun shots. As they crested the ridge they saw another party tagging the bull. It's all perfectly legal, but wholey and completely unethical in my opinion.

Cheers,
Pete
 
SUM BEACHES!!!

I HOPE WE CAN FIND OUT WHO THE GREAT WHITE HUNTER IS???

LOWLIFE ####K!!!

THE ONLY bobcat THINKING:MY WIFE YES,MY TRUCK MAYBE,MY FUTURE 380" BULL NEVER!!!
 
Thats terrible! I myself would have loved to help the guy find that bull, ie, sit on it (not literally) until somebody came a lookin' help him find it...some scummy ass bastards took it.
 
I CAN SEE IT IN ONE OF THE MAJOR MAGAZINES ALREADY!!!

"I HARVESTED A 380" BULL WITHOUT FIRING A SHOT!!!"

OH IT WAS A TUFF HUNT!!!

THE BULL FELL IN HIS TRACKS!!!

THE ONLY bobcat WONDERING HOW MANY 'THIEFS' WE ARE HUNTING AMONGST???
 
Twenty+ years ago, my buddies & I came across a spike bull that had been one lung shot and died. There was a pretty good blood trail leading to it, so the shooter shouldn't have had much trouble tracking it. We gutted it for him and left a note for the shooter to enjoy. Came back by next day it was gone. Hopefully it was the guy who shot it. Semper Fi
 
last year my uncle who lives in camp verde had the same thing happen to him he drew a tag [idont know what unit]
after a few days of hunting he shot an 8x7 not a great shot then followed it up and got another one into it. after waiting a while he started tracking to find some other guys where tracking his elk and pushing it to boot.
he got them off of it and decieded to give it the night.
first light he picks up the trail to find the bull in another couple hundred yards or so but it was minus the head.
he was pretty sick. he had thought that might be his last archery hunt due to arthritis setting in his hands.
AZ fish and game gave him another tag i think but he was too broke up to use it.
i dont even know what he guessed the score at but it was the biggest he had ever seen and one other guy he talked to who saw it agreed.
anyway its pretty sick n' wrong.
 
Maybe it wasnt dead when the other hunters found it? Maybe they watched it all humped up from the gutshot waiting for someone to come along to finish it, then when they didnt they decided to put it out of its misery? Hard to guess the situation without hearing the other side to things.

PS: I dont put alot of faith into the "wait an hour or longer to let it expire" when hunting on public land, expecially on rifle hunts. Keep on'em and get'em dead cuz someone else will.


-DallanC
 
How did they get a whole elk out in an hour? That really sucks man. If I ever caught someone stealing my animal they would have some serious problems of their own to deal with.
 
DallanC

HAVE YOU HUNTED THE UTARD RIFLE HUNT BEFORE???

WHY THESE ARE THE MOST LAW ABIDING PEOPLE THERE ARE ON EARTH!!!

ARE YOU SAYING THEY MIGHT STEAL A TROPHY & BE IN CHURCH SUNDAY,NA!!!

WELL IT'S A BAD SITUATION!!!

DEPENDING ON WHERE I WAS HUNTING(AND I'M NOT THAT MUCH OF AN ARCHERY HUNTER!!!) WOULD KIND OF DECIDE RATHER TO PURSUE IMEDIATELY OR GIVE THE ANIMAL SOME TIME!!!

THESE ARE CHANCES WE ALL TAKE IN THE FIELD!!!

ONE THING ABOUT IT,THE ANIMAL WASN'T WASTED!!!

THE OTHER STORY WITH THE HEAD (CHOP-JOB!!!) PISSES ME OFF!!!

WHATS BAD ABOUT STORIES LIKE THIS IS IT COULD VERY WELL BE A ONCE IN A LIFETIME OPPORTUNITY & WHO KNOWS HOW MUCH HARD EARNED $$$ WAS INVOLVED???

THE ONLY bobcat SUGGESTING:IF YOU STEAL MY DEER/ELK AFTER I'VE GOT IT TAGGED YOU'D BETTER HOPE YOU RUN INTO THE WARDEN BEFORE I CATCH UP TO YOU!!!
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-10-05 AT 06:09AM (MST)[p]Im with Oregonbowhunter, How the heck did they gut and get a 380 bull out in 1 hour????. Sad story though.
 
Dallan,

Maybe it is just me, but if I draw an LE tag and see a wounded/hobbled elk I am not shooting it. I do not care if it is 380 or not. I could never chance the meat being pus infected nor would I feel good about sticking the head on my wall knowing someone else slowed him down for me. If I shoot a wounded animal the experience has been ruined for me and in this case someone else. No one wins.

I know the ethical "put it out of its misery" argument, but I did not wound/kill it and therefore it is not my problem/elk. This elk should have been left for the shooter to deal with. Whoever took it upon themselves to kill it or took it is a bastard in my eyes. Too much time, effort, money, and luck to draw is involved here.

This is how I personally feel about this subject. Maybe I am wrong, but how I feel.
 
>HAVE YOU HUNTED THE UTARD RIFLE
>HUNT BEFORE???

Yes. And doing so again this fall in the Bookcliffs

>WHY THESE ARE THE MOST LAW
>ABIDING PEOPLE THERE ARE ON
>EARTH!!!
>
>ARE YOU SAYING THEY MIGHT STEAL
>A TROPHY & BE IN
>CHURCH SUNDAY,NA!!!

LOL thats why I said on public ground if you hit something keep on it and get it dead, someone else sure will.

>ONE THING ABOUT IT,THE ANIMAL WASN'T
>WASTED!!!

Very good point expecially in light of the other threads here where animals leaving great blood trails just up'd and "vanished" or the trail went cold.

>THE OTHER STORY WITH THE HEAD
>(CHOP-JOB!!!) PISSES ME OFF!!!

THAT imo, is true theft.


-DallanC
 
>Dallan,
>
>Maybe it is just me, but
>if I draw an LE
>tag and see a wounded/hobbled
>elk I am not shooting
>it. I do not care
>if it is 380 or
>not. I could never chance
>the meat being pus infected
>nor would I feel good
>about sticking the head on
>my wall knowing someone else
>slowed him down for me.

Well that is a decision many have to make for themselves. I know quite a few people who love to hunt, hate the meat. They give it away as soon as they can... its all about the bone to them, a general opinion I disagree with personally.

>If I shoot a wounded
>animal the experience has been
>ruined for me and in
>this case someone else. No
>one wins.

Well the true "no-one wins" situation is the bull eventually dies and nothing is salvagable off it (assuming utah rules here where you cant take a head with antlers off a dead animal).

>I know the ethical "put it
>out of its misery" argument,
>but I did not wound/kill
>it and therefore it is
>not my problem/elk. This elk
>should have been left for
>the shooter to deal with.

And hopefully they are ethical and skilled enough to track and finish it off. That thread here reciently with the guys who tracked theirs for 6 hours finally killing it deserve kudo's for finishing what they started. Impressive dedication and skills to follow it that long.

>Whoever took it upon themselves
>to kill it or took
>it is a bastard in
>my eyes. Too much time,
>effort, money, and luck to
>draw is involved here.

Grey area here... concidering the recient Muzzleloader Deer thread on who it belonged to. We dont know if in this case if the animal was alive or dead when the guys who took it found it, if it was alive and they chose to take it I dont see how you can argue they didnt have some right to it. The bull might have died or it might have gotten better from the first hit... but if it was alive when the 2nd guy found it, he then did kill it.

Too much guess work with only 1 side of the story. Perhaps someone did find it dead and did steal it, if so thats sad but there is also the possibility they found it alive, finished it off and took it home.

>This is how I personally feel
>about this subject. Maybe I
>am wrong, but how I
>feel.

It all comes down to personal opinion. I will never have a tag for an area that has 380 bulls so I dont ever have to worry about it :)


-DallanC
 
I have personally had this happen to me...but it was a little more obvious.

I was hunting with my dad and a few of my uncles buddies on the north slope of the Uintahs here in utah. Opening morning of the rifle hunt we came up to a meadow and there were about 15 elk in the meadow. There were 2 spikes and one 4 point bull in the group. So everyone got into position and the shooting started. both spikes went down and the 4 point was hit but took off for the trees. As they were focusing on them I looked to the other side of the meadow and saw a 5 point bull (not that impressive) but still I was only 17 years old so it was my biggest bull that I had a chance at. So I started shooting and he went down then got back up and made it to the trees where I hit him again and he spun around and went into the trees. I started to tell everyone that I had hit a five point and they all were telling me that I was nuts there wasn't a 5 point in the bunch. Well as we searched around for the 4 point about 30 yards away from me one of my uncles buddies blasts his 300 win mag and starts screaming "I got him" so we get over there and just as I had told everyone my five point was done. So I say that I am glad that he found him and finished him off for me and he says NO WAY I shot him and that he had mistaken him for the 4 point. Well now everyone is there and there are 3 bullet holes in this elk. 2 up near the front shoulder and 1 in @$$. You can tell the difference between the 30-06 and the 300 win mag holes. So he argues with me and my dad for about 45 minutes and finally I just got sick of it and let him take it. Everyone there new that I had taken that bull down but this guy wouldn't let it go for the life of him. The only reward that I have is that the idiot had a rag horn five point mounted and he still lives close by and everyone he knows also knows the story and knows that it wasn't his bull. He finally got so sick of everyone giving him crap that he took the bull off his wall. So that makes me feel a little better.

Anyway,

People who do that are cowards and not true hunters.

Sorry for being long winded.


Inmysights
 
>
>hit a little far back,
>no gut just barely hit
>the lungs, anyway they gave
>the 380in class bull an
>hour. when they returned and
>found the blood trial, after
>following it for a while
>they found the bulls gut
>pile!! someone had found the
>dead bull, gutted it and
>taken it home!!

Regarding the original post in this thread: How do you know they found it dead? You say in your post it wasn't that well hit. Perhaps they saw it and had no idea it was wounded. Even if they knew it was wounded, they have no way at all of knowing someone was following it up (which, in your case, they weren't yet). I say they did nothing wrong unless they somehow knew your uncle had wounded the animal and would soon start tracking it.



Mark
 
You draw an elk tag on the famed Pahvant unit in Utah. You go down there and are watching a sidehill filled with bulls. The a 400 inch bull walks out of the trees at 300 yards. You get your rest and shoot at it 2 times. The bull falls over dead. You work your way around to the elk, your 400 inch bull. You take your pictures and high five your friends. You then proceed to clean/ bone it out. Then you pack it out.

You never knew that someone just over the ridge shot it also and are now going home to complain about it on the internet. All because they couldn't make the shot.

If you can't make the shot, don't be mad if someone else shoots your animal while it is still on its feet. Put it down with a proper shot, then you won't have to worry about it.

Now if the other guys found the bull dead and took it anway then that is a different story....
 
I hit a buck in az one day, a 27" class buck, and was tracking it in the snow when all of a sudden there are human tracks tracking my deer. I catch up to one guy and let him know that it was my deer. he says it is not me tracking my deer, but my freinds. Anyways, we get to a canyon and can see them on the other side and we yell at them to wait up for us. The guy I had caught up to yelled at his friends telling them I had hit the deer. We get over there and a guy said he had seen the deer and it was a big one, so they had left still tracking my buck. By this time, (I had my wife with me) she was spent, and I they had a 20 min. head start so I had to let them go. They ended up shooting the buck5x6 27-28". I was furious, but not much I could do about it. The only reward I got out of the deal was finding out they shot it in the head and broke its horns, and watching my wife give them the bird. Anyway being a Utah hunter I was most impressed with hunters from az. I come to find out that the people who tracked my buck were utah guys, form a nighboring town. They knew I was tracking the buck and still stayed on it. Thats bs
 
I know the pain I have a 350 bull hanging in someone elses house the guy who has it knows me knows I shot it and will even admit do it but do you think that matters and that bull was a once in a life time because it was a south slope publuc land bull tell me how you could hang that on your wall and feel good about it?
 
Thats how things are turning these days. So many half arsed hunters dream of trophies but are rarely willing to put in the effort of doing it themselves. I would NEVER in my life have any desire to have an animal I didn't harvest in my wildlife room... NEVER. The problem is you have sooo many new hunters that aren't learning the ETHICS of hunting along with the skills of hunting.

In 2002 my brother-in-law drew a 5BN bull tag here in AZ. We were out opening morning and found a herd coming in from a tree line. All we were seeing was cows and then threw the trees I saw antler. We decided to try and get closer when all of the sudden we heard shooting straight in front of us coming in our direction. We heard 6 shots, 4 right in a row followed by 2 more. No big deal, someone beat us to it. So we decided to follow the herd that ran of from where they came. We moved about 200 yds past where we heard shooting and stopped to glass the herd. I looked back behind from where we came from and saw a small bull hunched up behind a tree not moving. We stalked in to get a closer look and it was obvious he was wounded. My brother-in-law decided to put the poor bull out of his misery. One shot from the 30.06 and he was down for the count. As we were approaching the bull my brother-in-law kept saying "I don't want this bull... I didn't hunt it... I don't want to tag this bull." Well when we got up to the bull we took a good look at him, he was gutshot once and had one good shot that my bro put in him. We weren't there 2 minutes when the funniest looking hunter I've ever seen walked around a tree. He had on a baby blue "Tarheels" hoodie, brand new white tennis shoes, a Tarheels hat on and baggy blue jeans. He was quite a sight for the woods. Anyway, I quickly congratulated him on a good bull and he explained how he was sitting about 40 yds away waiting for the bull to die. We just shook our heads and walked away.

Thats what you're gonna see more and more of and it kinda sucks... but oh well, what are we gonna do?

Donnie
 
nice to see you guys replying.

DallanC & FamilyMan: the reason we know it was found dead is because there were no other holes in the guts other than my uncles ( i know it may sound a little wierd but they checked the guts to see if there were any other broadhead holes, in this case there werent any.) i guess i worded this post wrong because my uncle went to the truck, got the needed escentials, and then went after the bull, but still waiting an hour before doing so.

to those of you who have had it happen to you before im extreamly sorry.

also bobcatbess: we were thinking the same thing in your second post!! lol! i cant see how anyone can have to tell lies for the rest of there lives on how they killed this bull. i mean there not going to tell the truth on what really happened!

best reguards and hope to back from all soon, azcoueshunter!
 
I've seen this too many times to count: usually by someone that is, in my opinion, too lazy or just a plain thief. Not only have I had a bull stolen, but someone stole my hunting clothes once (now I ask you, who in the world could wear children's size clothing???).

Anyway, I shot my first branch-antlered bull in Wyoming one fall. I'd been hunting hard for 5 days or so, and had run into enough hunters that folks knew me and thought I was crazy cuz I was doing my solo thing. I shot a fine 7x7 on the 6th day; some guys watched the whole thing and brought up a horse saying that they would be honored to drag it toward the nearest road. I accepted their offer, and they did just that. I left the tagged bull next to a MAIN road that enters the area and walked to my truck. When I returned, drag marks to the road and my bull was gone. Needless to say I went off in elk camp, and there were at least 30 pissed off guys along with me hitting every motel in Jackson looking for my bull, which we never found. Now I pack out the head first and lock it in my truck, then pack out the meat. The person who took that bull was a thief, plain and simple.

Second story-a group of my buds and I usually go on a spike hunt in Utah. It's usually a zoo, but if we can get to our little spot in time, the elk get pushed by us all day long. Unfortunately, it usually means we also see wounded elk all day long. I've had to more than once put down an elk and then notify F&G. One year I watched a wounded spike go down in a timber hellhole, the same timber hellhole most of the wounded go to die. I waited an hour-no one went after him that I could see, no one was tracking him. I went in after him and found a gutted spike lying next to the trail-no tag whatsoever. I wandered up the trail and found a coupla guys and a kid gutting a second spike-no tag whatsoever. I asked about the first spike, since it was in the sun and the flies were all over it. One guy admits to me that he shot it early in the morning. Then he admits that he knocked down the second one for his buddy that was now gutting it. I told him that we had thought about taking the first spike, since it appeared no one tagged it. We were on a meat hunt, and we hate seeing meat wasted. Although it was clear that someone had gutted the spike, they hadn't taken the time to care for it. In our minds, it was an untagged elk, and we had checked with the wardens before on stuff like this, they too would rather see the elk go to use than wasted.

Well, we didn't take that bull, in fact we pulled the spike into the trees and put a game bag over it to keep the flies off. We then hiked out and promptly turned him in for party hunting. In the end, we got our bull, and he got a ticket.
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There are right ways and wrongs ways to do things. Wrong ways usually catch up to you at the wrong time!

Pred
 
Their are only 40 bull tags given in this unit a visit with AZGFD should get you a list of the second season tag holders and narrow the search down for you let us know if you find the slim bag
 
I happen to know the people who took this bull. It is a single widowed mother of 17 whose husband died this summer and all he left her was an elk tag. She was walking through the forest trying to figure out how to jack a shell in his old 30.06 and praying for a miracle when all of a sudden this big bull elk just walked up and died at her feet. She quickly called her 9 oldest sons to help her clean the bull and load it in the back of the station wagon. She used the meat to feed her family for three whole days and she sold the antlers on e-bay for a record breaking price with which she paid her 3 oldest son's tuiton to the College of Eastern Utah. The whole hunting experience inspired her two youngest boys to play "Hunter-mon" instead of Pokemon and they are now trading spent shell casings found in the forest (and at the shooting range) instead of cards. She took the ivory teeth to a local jewler who polished them up and put them next to some fine cubic zirconia in a platinum band that her 5th oldest son is using as a class/wedding ring. Her daughters are tanning the hide and will all make prom dresses from it. She is using fat and bones from the bull to patch up the holes in her leaky roof. She is selling the story to a number of magazines and is even looking at signing with a corporate sponsor for extra income. So you see, this bull's unfortunate demise was a blessing to this woman and her grieving children. They may not have a father anymore, but they have hope, and in times like these, that is priceless.
ROY
 
Predator,

Was story number one the time we crossed paths in Jackson? 1995 or 1996? I thought you were nuts being solo. The way you described where your elk was is where I remember you getting one. I remember the horse guys helping you, but I did not know it was stolen. Thieving bastards.
 
Ropinfool: we know it was his bulls gut pile because they checked for other trails and also the bull he shots blood trail stopped at this gut pile. we know they found it dead because my uncle and friend checked the guts for another broadhead hole and in this case there wasnt one.

Roy: how can you come up with such a crazy yet somehow at the same time realistic story like that? *_* im dazed!! LOL!

PFHUNTER: thanks for the info. believe me we'll let you all know. also i might add we talked to the offical scorer of azgfd who puts the bulls in the record book, he said when or if these guys go to put this bull in with all the info, he'll be sure to report it.

hope to hear back from you all soon, azcoueshunter
 
Ropinfool: we know it was his bulls gut pile because they checked for other trails and also the bull he shots blood trail stopped at this gut pile. we know they found it dead because my uncle and friend checked the guts for another broadhead hole and in this case there wasnt one.
Roy: how can you come up with such a crazy yet somehow at the same time realistic story like that? *_* im dazed!! LOL!

PFHUNTER: thanks for the info. believe me we'll let you all know. also i might add we talked to the offical scorer of azgfd who puts the bulls in the record book, he said when or if these guys go to put this bull in with all the info, he'll be sure to report it.

hope to hear back from you all soon, azcoueshunter

sorry about these double posts, i put the other in the middle of the forum. LOL.
 
My dad and I was hunting together and my uncle and his son was further up the canyon. A large bull was spooked across the canyon and dad waited to get the bull into range. He was shooting across this cnayon and hit the bull five times and the bull kept going or got back up and kept going. I was handing dad bullets after each shot since he had allready hit the bull five times. On shot number eight the bull went for a final roll down the hill. Before long we saw a group of hunters headed for the area from the old road in the bottom of the canyon. Dad had both hips replaced and could not move very fast. I would have had a hard time running down the mountain and across to the bull before they claimed the elk. They were unable to find the bull and the hunters on the next ridge down the canyon directed them to dads bull.
We had past these so called hunters that morning going up the canyon. They where still in bed. When the bull went down they swarmed to the area and rushed to get the bull in the back of the truck. They had backed the tail gate up to the side hill and drug the bull in whole with out cleaning it.
My uncle, past the group with the bull in the back of the truck so he stoped to see the bull. He was not aware of what had happened. It was a nice 6x6 bull in the 320-340 class. Uncle said it looked like they had used an automatic weapon on the front end of the bull, whatching dad shoot with the glasses he hit the bull every shot and three of the shots knocked him down. Hope they brock a few teeth from all the copper and lead in the meat.
That was the last bull my dad ever shot. He is unable to go on any hunts at this time. He is still one of the best shots I have ever seen and has more drive (balls) than most hunters in the field. With both hips replaced, he hunted for many years
(around 20) and hiked into some places I thought I would have to pack him out but never did. One day he was crossing a log on the start of the hunt and he fell into the icy cold water of a river. I wanted him to go back and get dry before going on but he said the sun will be up soon and dry him off fast enough. He stayed up on the mountain and hunted the rest of the day.
The guy is a stud and to thick the biggest and last bull this man shot was stollen still hunts my memory. But dad just let it slide to this day. Told me it wasent worth hurting someone over. Good he kept me calm that day (being a teen ager and all)cuz I was full of some piss and viniger and wanted to go knock some heads.
I hear of these stories every year and have had a 4x4 archary buck stolen from me one year. Its to bad these type of so called hunters even are around.
One little trick I do any more is to mark my kill so it can be identified if stolen. I will place a coin under the hide so it can not be found and ussally slide one in the meat in an area that wont fall out. Then if the animal is stolen, let them haul it out of the woods while you are contacting the game warden or sheriff. When it comes time to identify your animal ask the other hunters go directly to the marking and identify what and where it is hidden. When they cant it will not hold up that it is their animal. This is something I do when hunting around other hunters on public ground. Sory dont have an idea for if they beat you to the animal.
 
He probably doesn't hunt anymore because he can't afford to buy that much ammo each time he goes out.
 
KTC- that would have been 1996. There were horse guys that helped me out with the really big bull in 1997-and that one wasn't stolen, cuz I never left it alone!! But they also taught me how to quarter/bone one, so solo'ing now is no biggie!
 
Pappabull,

No, he can afford eight shells. The bull was walking dead after the first shot. If a bull is still on his feet hit him again, if he gets back up hit him again. Hear to many stories around camp, on this form and on others that said shot the bull....blood ran out....could not recover bull. I have taken bulls with one shot and I have taken more than that, but I have never lost a rifle shot elk. And the hunters I have guided have never lost a bull. This is the only bull dad lost and it was stollen.

Cost is not the factor.
Maybe its because he has been on crutches the past 9 years after he stumbled and one of the spikes they drive into the bone on a hip replacment broke through so every time he sits walks or moves he has pain from these sharp peices rubbing on the meat of his leg. During those nine years he has never once complained about the pain he is in and he is not on pain medication from any Dr.
The only reason I know the pain he is in is from the time we have spent in the hills camping, fishing or hunting together. I am able to see it in his eyes and on his face.
While he was in the hospital 3 years ago for an unrelated issue. A group of specialist, some of the best surgens in Utah consulted on his hip injury. The bone is to brittle from the cement they place in the bone to cement the spike in place.
To repair would be a 14-16 hour surgery with low success rate. When it would not work they would remove the leg. Even doing this would be a low success rate. Low success rate, what that means is he would die on the table.
He decided to live in pain and spend as much time as he has with his grand kids. He had filled a full life and that is all that he cares about right now.

I did not tell you this story to have people judge shooting ability. I have only met a few people that could out shoot him.
An what matters most to me is he has never lost a wounded animal.

If all you see and get out of the story is it took eight shells to bring down an elk, you will never see it or under stand it.
 
Too many unanswered questions to say anyone stole yer bull. Unless they necropsied the remains, ain't no way to be positive someone else didn't finish him off. I've stumbled on several bull elk over the years that were crippled, dead and never recovered. They were a waste of meat and horns and I wish someone would've found them in time to get them out whether they wanted to claim they shot them or not. Calling the game and fish folks won't help. All the other hunter has to say is the animal was wounded and they finished it off. In these parts, unless an animal is mortally wounded it doesn't belong to anyone and unless you can prove it was mortally wounded after the fact, you aren't collecting anything. Wonder if AZ has a similar law...
 
when i shot my first deer, i think some "hunter" tried to steal it from me. it was the last day and after i totally stopped shooting, a mexican fellow came off down the ridge that we had been on before. he was headin straight for my deer like he knew where it was, he had to know it was there because we walked on a straight line to it. it was the last day of the hunt and it was a decent buck. i honestly think he would have tried to steal it had my dad and i not been on the ridge watching his every move. my dad was yelling at him in english and i was yelling at him in spanish. about 2 seconds after he got to my buck, our hunting partners walked up to the buck and he then walked off. my gun was empty.... but i was reloading.
Casey
 
Happened to me.. TWICE. One guy took a 5 point from me and another guy to a spike from me after I had tagged, quartered and was getting ready to transport it off the mountain.

People have no respect for other hunters. When it comes down to it if they can threaten you or scare you or even beat you to the kill, they'll claim it....
 

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