Elk Bullet Performance

Elkslayer

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O.K.....I am bored.

Let's here about your bullet perfomance on elk. Might be interesting to hear what is working and what does not:

338 Win Mag ( 225 Core-Lok ) on a cow at 350 yards right through both front shoulders. Stopped under the hide on the far side with a great mushroom. 1" entry hole. This round performed great. Cow went 10 yards. 65% weight retention on the bullet.

300 WSM ( 180 Barnes Triple Shock ) on a bull elk at 100 yards through both front shoulders. Bullet exited the far side with a 1 to 1 1/2" exit hole. Bull went 20 yards. Thinking that a exit hole over 300 yards may be real small. Bullet performed well, but the jury is still out on what I am looking for. Would really like to see a 2 to 3" exit hole. This bullet is extreamly accurate.
 
I have heard the Barnes Triple Shock was a great bullet so I tried it this year on my 300WSM. I used the 180 grain bullet on my elk hunt. Shot my bull at 300 yds, it hunched up, I shot him again, and down he went. Walked about 10 yds if that. In those 10 yds, there was a huge blood trail. Probably didn't even need a second bullet. I will now only be using one type of bullet on my Elk hunts..
 
A few years ago I shot a bull with a 300 H&H Mag using a 165 grn. X-bullet. I hit him as he was walking at 255 yds it was a extreme quartering shot. The bullet entered at about the liver area and lodged at the skin of his throat. The bullet is a thing of beauty 13/16" across with 99 percent weight retention. My 13 year old son will be hunting bull elk in a few weeks and I have loaded 150 grn triple shocks for his 270 Win. How I figure is, how often do you get drawn for elk? isn't it worth a few bucks extra for premium bullets?
Elwood
 
I have been using Barnes X for about 6 yrs now. 4 mule deer and a large black bear. .300 Win. Mag. 165 gr. actually shooting 168 gr triple shock now. All shots have been under 250 yds. Only recovered one bullet from the bear which entered through the shoulder blade and punched a large hole through the blade. The pedals broke off but the base of the bullet still weighed 150 gr and was about .400 in dia. I will only hunt with the Barnes X! Penetration and damage is amazing with this bullet!

Lowedog
 
Elkslayer,
The first bullet hit the bull with a quartering away shot about a inch behind his last rib. The bullet exited just behind his front shoulder with about a 1 1/2 inch exit hole. Never recovered the bullet.
 
I had a problem with my reloads chambering, so I had to hit a local sporting goods store for some factory ammo. Unfortunately, all they had for my 7mm WSM were 150gr Powerpoints. Without any premium bullets I told myself I would be real careful about the type of shot I would take. Luckily, I got a nearly-broadside shot at a big bull at about 100 yards. The Powerpoint entered behind the shoulder, hit a rib and the jacket and core separated. The two projectiles destroyed both lungs and were recovered about 2 inches apart in the opposite hide. The bull went about 60 yards and fell over dead. I wouldn't use a non-premium bullet on elk again, but this one certainly did the job given the nature of the shot I was presented with.
 
I also had problems with chambering reloads in my rifle. The reason being the shells that were used were fired in my dads rifle. So I headed to the sporting goods store and bought some 200 grain powerpoints as they were the only ones I could afford. Now the box claims that they are ideal for elk. Bull*^*&^!, I shot a big bodied muley buck at about 300 yards, hitting him between the lungs and liver. When I got up to him he was bedded down and I put another round in his chest at about 30 yards. I found the first bullet lodged in his diaphram. The core had seperated from the jacketing and had only gone about halfway through him. Definately not what I would expect from a 338.
 
For you reloaders, to get rid of chambering problems use either new cases, or once fired cases that have been fired in your gun. Can get bags of 100 unprimed cases from Mid South for 30-40 bucks depending on caliber.

from the "Heartland of Wyoming"
 
I was using brass from the same rifle that I had full-length resized. Instead of trimming the cases, I grabbed 20 from my stash that were within the SAAMI maximum. I'm thinking that's where my problem came from. I'm going to pull the bullets and trim all of my cases to see if that's what's causing the problem.

I place the blame squarely on myself. It's a new rifle and the first set of reloads (which were trimmed) worked perfectly. I made the stupid assumption that an untrimmed set would work as well, hence I didn't try to chamber any rounds before packing for my trip.
 
My son hit his bull in the neck with a running shot in trees.
300WSM nosler partition went through the neck and either the shot broke the neck or the fall did. The bull piled up instantly.
The exit hole was smaller than I would have liked but I can't complain with the results.
 
I only use 180 grain Trophy Bonded Bearclaws. Of the Elk I've taken, I have never recovered a bullet, they were all pass throughs. I have used them on elk, deer, grizzly bear (broke both shoulders and I recovered one out of three fired), moose, and caribou. Using an '06 with federal premium HE's, I have had pass throughs on all animals, but the one on the grizzly. I used to use nosler partitions, but didn't like the performance on big game. They are accurate enough for my use. I haven't used the Barnes or a host of others, so I can't speak to them.

Have fun,
Garion
 
For you handloaders--ALWAYS run every round you take on a hunt through the rifle before you leave home. Many things can cause chambering problems. Best to find out about them before you leave. Another trick is to use a RCBS Precision Mic (if availble for your caliber) to help set up your dies for proper headspacing and extending case life. As far as untrimmed new cases, I always trim every case in a new batch as soon as I open it. Try to keep all cases in a given lot/batch loaded the same number of times. Good Hunting.

Phantom Hunter
 
back when I was keeping track I was impressed with speer grand slams.. anymore I am more convinced with shot placement..

after watching my daughter smack a bull at 125 yards with a 6MM thru the lungs..

Funny how things change,, I was always told the mantra "shootem thru the front shoulders as I grew up.. and I did. and I wasted some meat.. on coues for example .. now I shoot the same place I would if i was archery hunting. I am more concerned with accuracy than breaking them down..

Might be diff if what I was shooting was close and might stomp or chew on me.

good hunting. this is the time of the year OS~
 
Shot several Elk with a .338 225 grain Nosler Partition. Onl y retained 75% of the weight at most but I never had to track any.

I shoot a 300 wsm now with the Barnes Triple Shock 168 grain. Shot a moose this year, dropped like a rock and I was able to find the slug, weighed up at 100 % weight retention. Been a Nosler man for years but I'm going to stay with the Triple shock from here on out.
 
Well I am back from Montana and here is what I witnessed:

300 WBY Mag with 180 Grain Nosler Ballistic tip at 387 yards right through the vitals of a 282" 6 point bull elk by my boss. Broke a rib on the far side ( see picture below ) and the bullet lodged in the skin on the far side. Bullett mushroomed well and probably weighed around 80 grains. The hole you see is about 3 1/2" and went through a rib on both sides. Good performance if you put them in the vitals. This bull never made it out of his bed.

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Here is a picture of both sides of my 6 point bull ( 245"? ) that was shot with my 7MM Rem Mag with 160 Grain Hornady BTSP ( Boat Tail Spire Points ) at 60 and 100 yards. First shot through both shoulders and ribs...1" entrance and 2" exit holes. Good blood trail. The second shot further back was also a complete pass through. This bullet performed well. Never did recover either bullet.

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I also witnessed 225 grain core-lokts out of a 338 Win Mag and a 180 grain core-lokt out of a 300 WBY Mag also drop elk and perform very well. This remington bullet made good exit holes and also mushroomed well if it did not exit the animals. Very dead animals!

Shot my mule deer with a 300 WSM and 180 grain Barnes Triple Shocks. One shot kill again, never have found one of the bullets. Usually have 1" entrance and 1 1/2" exit holes on the animals.

Saw a freind shoot a nice buck at 475+ yards with a off-hand shot ( 300 WSM with 180 grain Winchester Powerpoints ) right through the lungs. Huge 3" exit hole on the far side and did hit ribs.

Moral of the story.....if you want bigger blood trails then shoot the ballistic tip / powerpoints in the lungs and hopefully not the shoulders. They may work fine, but we have not wanted to try it. Shoot the Nosler partitions, Barnes Triple Shocks, Hornady BTSB's, Remington Core-lokts all through the shoulders and do not worry about it.

Until I see some failures for my self...have a good day!

Alan
 
Shot my elk this year at 406 yards with my 300WSM using 150grain Nosler Balistic tips. I actually hit it alittle bit back but it never took another step fell over right in its tracks. I was impressed with the damage the bullet did.
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-22-05 AT 04:23PM (MST)[p]I shot a 5x6 bull with a 165g trophy bonded bearclaw last week at 307 yards. It was a 3006 Federal High energy load. It broke the front shoulder and exited through the chest. The exit hole was about as big as the entrance but the bull dropped with the first shot.

Worked for me,

BM
 
I used a Feder Premium 180 Grain Nolser Partition, out of .300 Min Mag w/ 24" barrel, @ 250 yards broadside. He flipped right over backwards and rolled down a hill and laid where landed. The bullet went through both lungs and lodged under the skin on the far side in a perfect mushroom shape.

My gun prefers Nosler Partitions over Trophy Bonded Bear Claws.
 
I used Fed Premium 180 Nosler Partition from my .308 with 20 inch barrel. The shot was standing broad side at...60 yards...my ballistic table said the velocity was 2483 at 50 yards. I hit him in the left front sholder and it passed straight through the right shoulder leaving a small hole. No great wound channel was noticed. Something did fragment either bone or jacket and sliced up and back the nicking the spine. The elk dropped in his tracks and expired in minutes.
 
Been on a lucky roll and have harvested three 6X6 bulls ('03,'04 and '05). Ranges were approximately 150, 120, and 200 yards. A 180 grain Nosler partition out of a .300 WSM did the job on the three. Two bullets were recovered with similar results. The front part was shredded and the rear portion intact. Both bullets were just under the hide on the off shoulder. I don't think the three critters went a total of 50 yards before piling up. The years (I'm 57) have made me a believer in the 180 grain Nosler partition for elk.
 
I shoot a 300-win mag.

I have been blessed with taking 4 elk the last 5 years.

1996: 150 grain Trophy Bonded Bear Claw. Shot was 50 yards. Elk was at ez, broadside, elevation flat. 1st shot behind shoulder lower quarter of chest, thru and thru, animal never moved, thought I had missed. Entry wound .308?, exit wound .308?. Never hit a bone or anything, hole in hole out, like a hot knife through butter. 2nd shot, center of chest right behind the shoulder. Bullet did not pass thru, lodged under the hide on far side shoulder. Entry wound about 1?, no exit wound. Animal fell over in his tracks, never took a step. Recovered second bullet, mushroomed nice, retained 55% of weight.

2001: 180 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip. Shot was about 250 - 300 yards. Elk was at ez, slight quartering towards, elevation flat. Shot placement was behind the shoulder lower third of the chest, pretty much right on the heart. Bullet was thru and thru, entry wound about an inch, exit wound was about 3" and a spray of blood and tissue about ten yards behind the animal. Never took another step fell in its tracks. Bullet was not recovered.

2003: 180 grain Nosler Ballistic tip. Shot was about 100 yards. Elk was at ez looking at me broadside, elevation was slight up hill. Shot placement was behind the shoulder lower quarter of the chest, again pretty much right on the heart, maybe just below. Bullet did not pass thru; entry wound was about an inch. No blood trail at all animal went about 75 ? 100 yards and went down. I think the shot placement was to low and the bullet deflected up on entering. Bullet was not recoved.

2004: 180 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip. Shot was 75 yards. Elk was walking at ez quartering away, elevation was slight up hill. Shot placement was behind the shoulder, center of the chest. Bullet did not pass thru, lodged under the hide on the far shoulder. Entry would about an inch. Animal went 10 yards and fell. Recovered bullet, nice mushroom retained 60% of weight.

2005: 180 grain Nosler Accubond. Shot was 130 yards. Elk was very agitated, quartering away, elevation was flat. Shot placement was center of chest; back third, around about the last three ribs. Bullet did not pass thru; entry wound was almost 3?. Blood trail was unbelievable, brushed up along an aspen about 15 yards after being hit and there was a 10? blood satin on the tree, animal went 75 yards and went down. Bullet was not recovered.



Dan
 
168 tsx through my 300WSM about 275 yards. It was so text book I could hardly believe it. Quartering away shot the 6X6 dropped in his tracks hard!

I was not looking for the bullet but as I was quartering out the bull I noticed it right there inside the skin on the opposite shoulder....again I was thinking this is too perfect.

I dug the bullet out and it was formed in perfect pedals just like the advertisement. I cleaned it up dug all the little gunk out and when I got home washed it up again to where it looked perfectly clean.

I put it on the scales....167 grains.

It is real hard for me to find fault with this bullets performance on elk.

I will try and post a pic tomorrow for you.
 
Elkslayer: Whats the difference between the Barnes Triple shock and the Barnes boattail? I've read the advertisements but is there any difference in the field? I've shot about 8 or 9 elk with the 210 boattail in 338. All of the bulls were pinned with shoulder shots and went down in their tracks. Several of the cows went up to 100 yards. Difference? I try to lung shoot cows and I want to anchor bulls. I have shot 2 cows lenghtwise and am not really impressed with not getting an exit hole. Very little blood. I shot the Barnes versus Nosler Partitions into large rounds of lodgepole pine. I dug out the bullets and the Partitions averaged 11" of penetration while the Barnes averaged 18 inches. But when I used to use the Partitions, they seemed to kill alright too. I don't know if the elk can tell the difference.
 
Here it is 99% retained weight and great penetration.

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Barnes 168 grain TSX / 300 WSM RL19 3250 fps.
 
I'm interested to know why you guys think you get great penitration when you recover your bullets? To me great penitration is shooting through the animal and having no bullet to recover... regaurdless of breaking shoulders and what not.

Also what about weight retention? Does it matter if the animal is dead???

I'm not even going to mention the POS bullets that I shoot for fear that all the past elk that have gone into my freezer will come back to life and run off. ;)

Hit em where they live and they die with any bullet constructed well enough to penitrate the ribs and you'll be packing meat.

The only bullets I woudn't use on big game would be varmint and match type bullets.

I guess this topic could be argued forever though.
 
Dead is dead no doubt about it.

It is real simple if you get maximum expansion for the bullet and retain the weight with the bullet as described ending up under the skin then you have transfered the maximum energy from that load into the animal. That is why we use magnums instead of 22's.

That is the best case scenerio for terminal performance, that does not mean it is the only way to kill an animal.

If it was just about poking holes in the beast all we would need is toothpicks.

I like to hedge my bets that is why I use the bullets,caliber, powder,brass, rifle etc...that I do.

If you are happy with what you call your "POS" bullets whatever that may be then more power to you.
 
If having a bullet pass through an animal was the goal, more bullets would be made to hold their shape and poke a nice hole. I'm with triggerhappy about the transfer of energy completely into the animal. If your bullet exits the animal, some (hopefully not vital) energy is lost. We all aim for the vitals so what is the reason for a big hole in the far side of the hide?
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-21-06 AT 04:39PM (MST)[p]Shootwice - excellent point. It is not "passing through" power you want. It is killing power. The best bullets expend their energy inside the animal while it is ineffecient if the bullet actually passes through. Holes are good - if you are planning on killing the animal by infection.
ROY
 
>LAST EDITED ON Mar-21-06
>AT 04:39 PM (MST)
>
>Shootwice - excellent point. It is
>not "passing through" power you
>want. It is killing power.
>The best bullets expend their
>energy inside the animal while
>it is ineffecient if the
>bullet actually passes through. Holes
>are good - if you
>are planning on killing the
>animal by infection.
>ROY

Unless its elephants, I agree. I shot a 5pt bull at 35 yards quartering towards strong with my .338 and a Hornady, dropped like a sack of potatoes.



 
Trigger happy,

No offense but are you sure those ivories didn't come froma rag horn. ;-)

Good job! Nice bullet expansion too!

I gotta go agree with shoottwice. I want "ALL" of my bullet's energy spent on the elk, not on some tree 50 yards past him.

GH
 
You guys that think all of a bullets energy should be contained within the animal are having pipe dreams. The only time that will happen is when the yardage and resistance the bullet meets upon hitting the animal make it happen. I have been hunting with a .300 Ultra for 5 years. I have recovered 1, I said 1, bullet. It was from a bull at a lasered 547 yards. I have taken over 20 animals in those 5 years. Yardages from 40 to 686 yards. The bullet doesn't always remain in the animal, nor does it have to. The antelope I killed at 686 was a pass through. Back when I hunted with my 30-06, I blew a bunch of bullets through deer and elk. They're all dead. There is no way on Earth that any bullet will "expend all of it's energy" in an animal at all yardages. mtmuley
 
Gents,

The point is not pass through or contained I know both will kill.

The point is that if you can transfer the max amount of energy possible the better your chances. Does not mean the only chance. For goodness sake a arrow expends basicly zero energy it is all about placement and cutting ability.

But if you can have placement and harness the max amount of energy from your load tuned to the game you are hunting is that not the best of all worlds.

the 35 yard elk with the 338, man talk about energy your talking muzzle energy and just about any any bullet will whack them.

Do what you want or are comfortable with, but for me I want the most insurance I can get to put the animal down as fast as possible.

Nothing wrong with a little rag horn table fare.

No really that was about a 300 bull, it had great brows and mass but kind of petered out on top.

I had flipped with my cousin for first shot that day and won but told him if a big one showed it was his.

We found a herd of about 20 animals with three bulls two were 6X6's and the other was a 6X7 which was real odd because there were no spikes or rags in the bunch.

Anyway, the 6X7 brought up the rear and the rest of the herd had moved into thick timber by the time we had a shot and I let Cuz take the 6X7 which ended up at 340. After his shot the rest of the herd ran back out in the open and I took advantage of the situation and took my bull.

Cuz was very happy as well was I for a opening day public land Colorado DIY hunt. Our other partner took a 6X6 and we were done by 9 a.m. two days later we made it out with our string of Llamas.

No flame intended to anyone just my .02 on bullets for elk.

Whatever works for you is fine by me.
 
triggerhappy,

Just razzing you on the raghorn. You should be proud of three nice bulls, especially on a DIY in Colorado.

Now, for the real question...what unit where you in? ;-)
 
I used a 30.06 with 180 gr accubond (winchester). First shot at a 5 pt bull broadside at 105 yards, lung shot, hit two ribs and found the bullet wedged against the opposite side just under the skin. The bull hunched up and took two steps. Second shot was more quartering away entered middle chest and hit the front left shoulder after passing thru vitals. Found the bullet wedged along the neck under the skin. Bull went straight down after second shot. The first bullet retained a lot of its mass, the second bullet retained less, but expended a great amount of energy in the shoulder (broke the shoulder blade). I was pretty happy with the results
I also shot a nice whitetail with the same setup. The buck was 303 yards and completely relaxed, feeding slowly. I double lunged him and he ran over 100 yards before expiring. Not so happy in this situation.
Kurt
 
Not to belabor the point but this is why I stopped using partitions in the 300 mag. Twice I tore the top half of the bullet off and had nothing but the base going through the vitals. The result was lungs with pencil holes through them and elk that didn't know they were hit. Plenty of penetration, but no energy expended in the vitals. At standard velocities partitions are devastating; I've double lunged elk that were down withing a few steps. But, I've had poor luck with them at higher velocities.
 
You guys expecting instant kills are funny. And ignorant. Get more experience before forming an opinion. mtmuley
 
Did I miss the post about "instant kills"? From what I read posters are expecting reliable bullet performance and dead elk. Some hunters prefer larger and stouter bullets that tend to pass through and others prefer more frangible bullets that rely on velocity and expansion to transfer energy to the animal. Both sides of the caliber/velocity debate are defensible and the argument has gone on since Keith and O'Conner. Maybe those two are also inexperienced and ignorant?
 
So, pre64, How is a hunter supposed to decide on the two bullet performance scenarios you described based on yardage, game being hunted, and shot placement? Not every shot will be so perfect that your bullet descriptions will perform as expected. The "super magnmums" of today weren't available to O'Connor and Keith, so in that respect they may not be ignorant, but uninformed. (Yes, I do know they are dead, and the philosophy of each.) With the advent of these cartridges, bullet construction had to evolve also. Frangible and elk bullet shouldn't be used in the same sentence. All elk bullets should be stoutly constructed. My point is, no bullet will expend all of its energy in an animal when one expects it to, nor will a bullet always pass through. In each instance, the animal can wind up dead. Instant kill was a bad choice of words on my part. mtmuley
 
.243 110 grain barnes-x filled my freezer with a cow elk this year......Would not use that in every situation, but an ole cow standing in a alfalfa field...Love them x bullets....

JJ
 
Next funny thing that someone will say in Knockdown power. I laugh anytime I hear that term. I've shot8 elk and 6 deer with every bullet from BarnesX, Partition, Hornady, Bearclaws, Aframes, core-lok, ballistic tip and this is my conclusion. Hornady interlocks are the best all around bullet that give you good penetration and good expansion. I don't like ballistic tips or silvertips that are pure expansion and I have had too much penetration with little holes from X bullets and A-frames at longer distances. Not to mention hornady's are very accurate and priced where you can target practice with them. I have also found that Hornady factory loadsare very high quanlity and are everybit as accurate as my handloads for my 300 mag.
 
hog, I agree about the knockdown power thing. Bullets DO NOT knock animals down. Certain placement of the shot and damage done to the animal does. I've even heard stories of a shot lifting an animal off of it's feet! mtmuley
 
Yeah I have finished off deer at almost point blank range with 300 and thought I missed the animal because the deer didn't flinch and the bullet just blazed right threw. People are full of it if they say the bullet picked the animal up off the ground.
 
>So, pre64, How is a hunter
>supposed to decide on the
>two bullet performance scenarios you
>described based on yardage, game
>being hunted, and shot placement?

That question was the essence of this thread. There is an article on Chuck Hawk's sight that explains this much better than I ever could. http://www.chuckhawks.com/rifle_bullet_killing_power.htm

>Not every shot will be
>so perfect that your bullet
>descriptions will perform as expected.

Not sure what this means.

> The "super magnmums" of
>today weren't available to O'Connor
>and Keith, so in that
>respect they may not be
>ignorant, but uninformed. (Yes, I
>do know they are dead,
>and the philosophy of each.)

Actually, the father of hyper velocity hunting rounds is Roy Weatherby. I believe that his rounds were developed in the mid-forties. Keith and O'Conner were well aware of Weatherby's work. http://www.weatherbycollectors.com/Members/History/body_history.html


>Frangible and
>elk bullet shouldn't be used
>in the same sentence. All
>elk bullets should be stoutly
>constructed.

I didn't say elk bullets should be frangible. I said some are more frangible than others. Explosive would have been a better term. For example, BTs are more explosive or frangible than A-frames. For the record, I don't think BT's are a suitable bullet for any big game hunting. IMO they are too.....explosive.

>My point is, no
>bullet will expend all of
>its energy in an animal
>when one expects it to,
>nor will a bullet always
>pass through. In each instance,
>the animal can wind up
>dead.

I agree 100%.

>Instant kill was a
>bad choice of words on
>my part. mtmuley

I don't think "instant kill" was a bad choice of words. I thought "ignorant" and "get some experience" were not called for. This thread has some great info in it. Posters provided what bullet they used, shot angles, velocities, and descriptions. Some even provided pics of recovered bullets and terminal performance. I really don't think these people are ignorant and I enjoyed thier insight.
 
pre64, Excellent dissection of my post. First, I've read Chuck Hawks article. I've read a lot of articles. Articles are no substitute for the real world. Second, one cannot choose what a bullet will do upon impact. Third, I am fully aware of Weatherby and his developement of fast magnums. These rifles weren't available to the everyday hunter when they were developed. And neither were todays bullets. Fourth, You covered your butt on the frangible thing. Frangible is a word best used for varmint bullets. Explosive isn't much better. Fifth, We agree on one thing. Sixth, I apologize for the "ignorant" and "get some experience" comments. I didn't mean to imply any posters were ignorant. I have been hunting since I was 12 years old. I have used dozens of different cartridge/bullet combos on big game from antelope to elk to bear. Some worked better than others. But I will stand by that instant kills are not the rule, but the exception. Choosing a bullet these days can be downright confusing. I think that sometimes the concerns of a bullet passing through, or expending all of it's energy internally, not to mention entrance and exit holes, confuses people even more. As you said, good info here. mtmuley
 
I had a good experience this past season with a 150 triple x bullet out of my .308 win. I had a 4x4 at 200 yards and the bullet broke both shoulders and passed through. The bull was hobbeling back and forth instatly. He was dead and on the ground in less than 5 seconds. My son also too a cow on that same trip with the same rifle and load. He shot the ol' girl as she was facing him. He aimes for half way down the neck and she went straight down. If I had been closer to him I would have advised him to wait for a better shot but who can argue with the results. There are no varying degrees of death as was stated before.
 
This year I shot a mature cow elk at a ranged 550 yards using the Federal Premium Trophy Bonded BearClaws in 180 grain (30-06). Bullet entered behind front shoulder, took out the heart leaving a 1" channel in the heart, and broke completely through the offside shoulder bone. Cow was down and out within 5 yards.

Michael~All Gods creatures welcome... right next to the mashed potatoes and gravy.
 

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