Next year's pp fee

DW

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LAST EDITED ON Nov-16-18 AT 11:59AM (MST)[p]Rumor is the preference point fee for moose, sheep and goat will be $50 for res and $100 for non res next year. A whole new revenue stream. But hey, at least you dont have to front the tag money right? Will your family still be able to have everyone's name in the hat? This was the argument I heard for dropping fronting the tag money.

#livelikezac
 
Well that was short lived. $3 to apply for a moose tag was just to good to last. Oh Well. I wish they put as much effort into perfecting their draw and leftover system as they do into dreaming up ways to make more money.
 
There it is, $100 fee!

The big drop in the bear license fee is a game changer, lots more non-res will buy a bear tag for $100.
 
DW, do you know if the PP fee is only charged if you use the PP hunt code or is it charged if you do not draw the tag?
 
PP fees are just the start. Colorado is making a renewed concerted charge for significant changes to recreation over the next decade with lots of new fees. It's gonna get expensive to play in this state.

"Courage is being scared to death but
saddling up anyway."
 
Lonewati if you want a pp for the big 3 its $50. Doesnt matter if you found the cure for cancer last year.


#livelikezac
 
Not sure of the question, but it might be this and what I am curious about:

Can you apply for a tag, but not pay or get an additional point?

Wyoming requires you to buy the preference point which I think is BS.
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-18-18 AT 08:59AM (MST)[p]IMO it boils down to the fact they're going to charge what they feel the market will bear. Wyoming and Montana have already proven that applicants (especially NR applicants) are willing to pay a large point/app fee for the "Big 3", without much fuss, and without much reduction in applicant numbers. This is what happens when the demand for something exceeds the supply by more than 100x.

By the way, the cost to apply for Sheep, Moose and Goat in CO will increase by more than just the point fee. Assuming they won't let us opt-out of the point fee, from what I can tell, the total non-refundable fees to apply for the big-three will be over 400.00 (non-resident). This includes the increased app fee at 9.00 per species, the increased fee for the now-mandatory annual hunting license at 80.00, and the habitat stamp at 10.00. If those numbers are all correct, the NR total to apply will be 417.00 in non-refundable fees. Last year it was 19.00 total.
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-18-18 AT 11:07AM (MST)[p]And the day after CPW releases their fee increases this article hits the paper. BTW this is a bicycle path...

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"Courage is being scared to death but
saddling up anyway."
 
I'm a little confused on the following statement under the new Wildlife License Changes:

"A qualifying hunting license purchase for the current year must be made in order to apply for any big game license. A qualifying license includes: 1) an annual resident or nonresident small game hunting license; 2) an annual resident or nonresident spring turkey license; or 3) resident small game/fishing combination license (only available to residents)."

Does this mean you have to have one of these types of licenses in pocket for the current year before you apply for an elk or deer tag?
 
I don't think this is all bad, hopefully it?ll limit the number of hunters. I just got back from 3rd season elk/deer and the amount of hunters and hunting pressure was mind boggling. I saw hunters in areas where I've never seen them before. And to make it worse is they are clueless have no idea how to hunt the areas they are in and completely ruin it for others. FYI, I hunt on foot and walk 9+ miles everyday to get away from other hunters. More money for a better hunt, I'm in
 
Frontrange, yes that's the way I read it. No matter what license(s) you held this year, next year you'll have to purchase a 2019 hunting license in order to apply for a 2019 draw license. They have not yet specified whether this will apply to purchase of OTC big game licenses. We'll find out once the final regs are published, but most likely it will.

The only break we're getting is that there's still no additional fee for points for Elk, Deer, Pronghorn or Bear.
 
>The only break we're getting is
>that there's still no additional
>fee for points for Elk,
>Deer, Pronghorn or Bear.

But I'll guarantee it's on the back burner heatin up!


#livelikezac
 
I saw that tailchaser! We really gotta get those 2 departments separated again. I know they say they're financially separate but it just doesn't pass the eye test!


#livelikezac
 
If I read it wrong I am sorry.

But did they just raise the license fees for the residents and keep the NR the same as last year? If so...why is that?
 
This was changed because a bunch of guys whined that they some how had more of a right to hunt than others. They claimed that since they were older and had more points they had a right to licenses that others new to the game do not deserve.

This change was not done for any other reason than guys with existing points wanted to protect their draw odds by forcing others that do not have as much money out of the game.

It is a shame and it is the direction we will continue to see our state move... Sadly even the our Sheeo Goat and Moose hunters feel entitled.

Why is it that anyone deserves any preference at all? Why do we continue to believe that somehow we have a higher right to tags simply because we are older or have hunted longer?

Does anyone who supported this change truly believe that they deserve a better chance than anyone else?

Sadly this was done by a group of hunters who seem to feel as though they deserve something other do not and in order to protect that they wanted to see the cost of the game eliminate competition for the tags...

This was the result of old guys feeling they have a higher right to hunt than young kids...

Ok my rant is over. Wished we could all go back to random draw where everyone had equal opportunity.
 
>If I read it wrong I
>am sorry.
>
>But did they just raise the
>license fees for the residents
>and keep the NR the
>same as last year?
>If so...why is that?


Crazy for Elk... the resident fees required lefgislative action to be adjusted. Last year sportsmen and the CPW pushed for a resident fee increase bill and it passed. As a result these are the adjustments made to resident tags.

Nonresidents tags are tied to the Consumer Price Index and adjust as inflation adjusts. As a result the 2 fee structures are seen as separate issues.

I believe the resident fees are also now tied to inflation rate. But can not recall if it actually went through that way. I would have to go back and look at how the legislation was passed.
 
>LAST EDITED ON Nov-18-18
>AT 11:07?AM (MST)

>
>And the day after CPW releases
>their fee increases this article
>hits the paper. BTW this
>is a bicycle path...
>
>
9198520181118080130.jpg

>
>"Courage is being scared to death
>but
>saddling up anyway."

That grant program is not funded by hunting money and is a separate program that funnels GOCO funds into projects. The CPW also uses some of the ATV registration fees for such activities, but without looking closer I am not sure how much. This is not money/revenue that CPW brings in, but a program that CPW is charged with running ifor the state.
 
Thanks Sticksender. I read it as you do. Cost to hunt just keeps going up. Just about to price me out! Will try to stay in game til I can burn all my points.
 
Wonder if they did away with NR pref point fees for elk, deer,antelope, and bear and replaced those with the requirement to buy license before applying? I saw pref point fees for ?big three? but not the others????
 
So let me understand this correctly... This palisade plunge is 18 miles of bike path that is being funded in part by ATV OHV fees? Meanwhile MTN bikers pay NOTHING for a OHV fee? Yea, that seems like a load of S**T.
 
Phantom Hunter. Yes PP fees and Licenses went up across the board for residents. Yes there still is a PP fee for non res and it also increase a few dollars.
 
>This was changed because a bunch
>of guys whined that they
>some how had more of
>a right to hunt than
>others. They claimed that since
>they were older and had
>more points they had a
>right to licenses that others
>new to the game do
>not deserve.
>
>This change was not done for
>any other reason than guys
>with existing points wanted to
>protect their draw odds by
>forcing others that do not
>have as much money out
>of the game.
>
>It is a shame and it
>is the direction we will
>continue to see our state
>move... Sadly even the our
>Sheeo Goat and Moose hunters
>feel entitled.
>
>Why is it that anyone deserves
>any preference at all? Why
>do we continue to believe
>that somehow we have a
>higher right to tags simply
>because we are older or
>have hunted longer?
>
>Does anyone who supported this change
>truly believe that they deserve
>a better chance than anyone
>else?
>
>Sadly this was done by a
>group of hunters who seem
>to feel as though they
>deserve something other do not
>and in order to protect
>that they wanted to see
>the cost of the game
>eliminate competition for the tags...
>
>
>This was the result of old
>guys feeling they have a
>higher right to hunt than
>young kids...
>
>Ok my rant is over. Wished
>we could all go back
>to random draw where everyone
>had equal opportunity.

Elks 2yrs ago you told me what a great idea this change was and I told you it would only lead to higher fees chasing the new applicants off again and leaving those of us who had been playing all along footing a bigger bill. And here we are.


#livelikezac
 
I called hunt planner at Denver HQ. He said he did not know about NR pref points for elk, deer, antelope and bear. They were requesting clarification so they could answer calls like mine. Apparently some confusion on this.
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-19-18 AT 08:18PM (MST)[p]Elks96. Yes I do,truly believe that after 35 applications I should have better draw odds then first time /low # applicants.......
This summer I testified that $3 app fees when you pay the vender $ 4.25 was Stupid!!! I asked them to raise the app fee to the statatory max! $10 res $20 non res. As for the point fee. Its 2018...some of us saw it coming! I can pay it now and I would have paid it at 14 the legal big game age back then..My dad never "fronted" me a $75 money order to apply for sheep. Never would of thought to ask him either.
 
I am one of the Palisade people who has helped push The Palisade Plunge and have donated a bunch of money and time to it. CPW is one of the public entity?s that a group has to go through to acquire Lottery Money (GOCO). To be clear, the money comes from sales of Lottery tickets, not from a general tax fund or from the budgets of Parks and definately not from the Wildlife side of things. I will check out the ATV money angle and report back, I suspect that the ATV money comes in because part of the trail will be open to motorcycles. It is not a bike path, it will be, once completed a 34 mile long technical mtn bike, singletrack motorcycle in places, hiking, and horse trail with 6000? of vertical drop.

Hasbean
 
Tim, Yes, you have to buy, either at the time of application, or sometime beforehand, a small game, combo small game and fishing, or just fishing license.

>I'm a little confused on the
>following statement under the new
>Wildlife License Changes:
>
>"A qualifying hunting license purchase for
>the current year must be
>made in order to apply
>for any big game license.
>A qualifying license includes: 1)
>an annual resident or nonresident
>small game hunting license; 2)
>an annual resident or nonresident
>spring turkey license; or 3)
>resident small game/fishing combination license
>(only available to residents)."
>
>Does this mean you have to
>have one of these types
>of licenses in pocket for
>the current year before you
>apply for an elk or
>deer tag?


Hasbean
 
>I am one of the Palisade
>people who has helped push
>The Palisade Plunge and have
>donated a bunch of money
>and time to it. I suspect that
>the ATV money comes in
>because part of the trail
>will be open to motorcycles.
>It is not a bike
>path, it will be, once
>completed a 34 mile long
>technical mtn bike, singletrack motorcycle
>in places, hiking, and horse
>trail with 6000? of vertical
>drop.
>
>Hasbean

This has the potential to get many more trail users recreating all over the Grand Valley. Thanks for supporting this gamechanging project. I know Rondo from Powderhorn, he updated me on this epic trail project when we talked last summer @ his bike shop.

Getting more recreational users to support CPW is the future.
 
No offense elks but that increase in applicants for the big three last year was b.s. Those people who didn't or couldn't front the tag money shouldn't jump in front of guys like me who sacrificied to do so the last 14 years.
 
Exactly my
Point. Everyone wants it to be exclusive for them. They use cost to
Limit competition. It is BS that we would
Support any system
Which limits access to public tags based on cost.

It should be simple. No one should have any preference, application cost should not be a barrier to hunting. It is not right and will eventually cause major issues for all hunters.
 
It was perfect 2yrs ago and all the years prior to that. It didn't cost but $9 to apply for the big 3. If you wanted to apply you squirreled away $800 1 time. When they sent you your refund you put it in a safe place till the next spring. If the $3 app fee didn't cover CP&W's cost they could have raised the app fee. It wasn't fair to those who fronted the tag money for 20 odd years prior to suddenly let anyone with $9 and no real desire to draw a tag to flood the pool and dilute the odds. Now were stuck with this new revenue stream and its gonna cost real money to apply which makes none of us happy but CP&W. No doubt in my eyes this was the plan all along that was put in motion 2yrs ago. Anybody that cheered it back then shouldn't be complainin now cause the writing was on the wall. Look for the point fee to increase rapidly to get in line with other western states.



#livelikezac
 
Surprised they implemented increased cost so soon. I thought they would of waited a few years to get all the people who flooded the big three vested in points first. That way a lot of them would stay in the game.

Sitting on 3/16 points myself for each of the big 3. Sometimes I second guess myself and think of calling it quits.

Bill
 
Just got off phone with Parks and Wildlife. They said NR do not have to purchase small game license. Nothing has changed for deer and elk.
 
Pittman Robertson funds are doled out in direct proportion to the number of licenses sold. Anyway a state can force you to buy a license from them increases the amount of federal funding they get. They're gonna continue to get creative in forcing you to buy a license you may not want or need in order to increase their federal $.



#livelikezac
 
>Exactly my
>Point. Everyone wants it to be
>exclusive for them. They use
>cost to
>Limit competition. It is BS that
>we would
>Support any system
>Which limits access to public tags
>based on cost.
>
>It should be simple. No one
>should have any preference, application
>cost should not be a
>barrier to hunting. It is
>not right and will eventually
>cause major issues for all
>hunters.

Simply put. You nailed it.

With demand as it is, often at many multiples to available tags, we can't help but appear as golden goose ripe for the killing and plucking. When demand drops to 1:1 but the DOWs still sell all their licences, they and students of economic theory will consider it a brilliant financial success. But will we? When 99 percent of people are not interested or can't afford the game? Sounds like a crappy future for the sport. It will survive in some form but probably not the form we would want for our kids and grandkids.
 
>Guess I'll have too. lol. You
>would think they would know.
>Guess not.

It's tough to trust someone on the phone. You gotta wonder how dedicated they are to their job. Good luck in the draw next spring!


#livelikezac
 

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