Texas Bull?

Zigga · Nov 28, 2005

Have you seen this one? Here's the info I have heard on it so far.

"This is a picture of a #1 world record elk taken with a bow near Alpine Texas on a free range (not high fenced) ranch. It had a green score of 455 7/8 B&C points.
Texas Trophy hunters wants to have it mounted and take it on tour for 6 months."

Prism · Nov 28, 2005

Whole thing sounds like a lot of bull to me.

Seriously though, I have know idea where Alpine Texas is-perhaps it's near the New Mexico border. I didn't know that Texas had a free-ranging herd of elk.

I do know that almost EVERY ranch in Texas will have some highfence along its border-even if it's a neighbors fence and if it's fenced on three sides I still consider it highfenced.

Curious to hear if there are any free ranging elk in Texas, or if this bull just happened to escape his pen and got whacked on someone elses property. Don't see any tag in his ear though.......

Whatever happened to the 500" bull from Idaho-hahahahaha.

Incredible bull though.

I don't mind the highfenced exotics or whitetails, but I HATE to see elk or mule deer hunted behing a fence! If you've ever seen an elk on a highfenced ranch you'll know what I mean. They just don't look or act right, almost like they've lost the will to live-atleast the ones I've seen.

D13er · Nov 28, 2005

http://www.boone-crockett.org/news/...ews#watch75BB598B-29F6-451E-854B-F8FCC629B27B

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attitudehunter · Nov 28, 2005

I have heard of the FREE Range elk in the Alpine area frpm a customer of mine that guides for mule deer in that area he showed me photo's of some of the biggest elk ive ever seen he told me that the Texas F&G Ask's them how the elk are doing and that they are not regulated and you have to pay the landowners in the area for access

bobcatbess · Nov 28, 2005

THERE WAS A WORLD RECORD ELEPHANT TAKEN HERE IN UTARD!!!

THE UDWR DOESN'T SELL PERMITS FOR ELEPHANTS YET!!!

THE ONLY bobcat!!!

NMHUNTNUTT1 · Nov 29, 2005

I haven't heard of free ranging elk in TX , either , but as for the tag , they are not native game animals on TX , proclimation , there for no tag is needed . We went to TX a few years back and only had to buy tags for deer , but all the exotics are priced buy the ranchers , no tag needed . Alpine is down near San Angelo , its great desert muley and audad(barbary sheep) country , with plenty of both free ranging , not in high fenced ranchs' , but again , never heard of elk, but its possible for sure......NMHUNTNUTT

BCHunter · Nov 29, 2005

There is no season for Elk because there is not a huntable herd. However, there are Elk in Texas that are free roaming. The Panhandle and the west part of the State have Elk that have migrated out of New Mexico. There is a lot of rough country in Texas that borders New Mexico. I do not know where to find the article but a hugh Elk was killed by a rancher south of Amarillo several years ago.

outtabreath · Nov 29, 2005

I have also heard about elk in Texas. Maybe they will multiple and my draw odds will go up here in New Mexico.

SoTX · Nov 29, 2005

I have been waiting to see how long it would take for this to hit MM. The guy in the photograph is one of my best customers here in San Antonio, Texas. I did not want to be the one to post this on MM for fear of being labled a lieing Texan

. Yes what you have read in the post above is true about this elk. It is also correct that elk are not recognised as a native game species in Texas. Yes it was absolutly beyond a shadow of a doubt that it was a free range elk. Yes we have a small elk herd here in the great state of Texas.

P.S.
Yes it is also true everything is bigger in Texas

"We MUST Hunt"

Oldshed · Nov 29, 2005

LAST EDITED ON Nov-29-05 AT 03:53PM (MST)[p]So.. this is the new WORLD RECORD BULL archery .... not the one posted many many times from AZ.. just like I thought.

I actually think there is still one bigger yet to be shown.

elkantlers · Nov 29, 2005

so how do you get one of these Texas elk tags? Draw, Over the counter, or no tag needed.

AZ402 · Nov 29, 2005

It won't be the new WR if it isn't entered in the books. I think I saw the pending new WR yesterday????????

huntsonora · Nov 29, 2005

All you need is permission to hunt elk in TX and its not cheap. Ditto everything that SoTX said, have a friend that told me about this a few weeks ago and he said that this thing is unreal. I have a friend in TX and on the family ranch there are quite a few free ranging elk.

Drum

Chef · Nov 29, 2005

Unbelievable bull.
Can't imagine what he might have scored if his third on his right was all there. Incredible bull nontheless.

Congrats to your friend from the Chef SoTx!

Chef
"I Love Animals...They're Delicious!"

257Tony · Nov 29, 2005

Dont you guys know that once they are out of the trailer, they are free ranging??? Thats what I am thinking, I guess well see when P&Y gets into it. I hope I am wrong and that this guy just worked his a55 off.....

bowedark · Nov 29, 2005

That is a GREAT ELK !!!!!!

SoTX · Nov 29, 2005

The problem is I believe as far as being eligable for the Books is that there is no season for them in Texas and they are considered an exotic, hence I do not believe it will be eligable. We will have to wait and see.

"We MUST Hunt"

BOHNTR · Nov 30, 2005

First off, it is a spectacular looking bull. After examining the antler structure and comparing it to the score given, this bull was probably measured as a non-typical. The current P&Y record for non-typical is 442 0/8" NET. It's been my experience that most people who post scores nowadays usually post the GROSS score. I'm guessing that is also the case here. So time will tell if it will NET high enough.

As for P&Y accepting it without a structured season, it doesn't matter. As long as the animal was taken LEGALLY and under the rules of fair chase (no high fence, etc.) it would be eligible.

BOHNTR )))---------->

stexashunter · Nov 30, 2005

This bull has been emailed around everywhere lately, the story on the elk herd can be read here:

http://www.rmef.org/wapiti/pages/05spring/texas.html,

In order to hunt elk in Texas, you would only have buy a hunting license, and have permission to hunt on private property. No season, no bag limit, no restrictions on weapons, bait, etc., anything goes with an animal considered an exotic, as long as you posses a valid hunting license.

The bull is not eligible for entry into Boone and Crockett because it comes from a state without a regulated hunting season, and elk are no longer considered game animals in the state of Texas.

Occassionally elk may wander into Texas from New Mexico, but very rarely. This herd in Alpine was released by private ranchers and is not native to the area. However, if that were the only criteria for the books, only a select few mountain ranges in the entire American west would have record book eligible elk, as a majority of wild elk throughout the west were re-stocked at some point in the last century.

I've heard that this was a "fed" elk as well, but the range that the herd inhabits has had extremely good range conditions in the last 2-3 years, with well above average rainfall, so that the possiblity of the bull having naturally grown antlers of this size isn't out of the question

bowdaddi · Nov 30, 2005

I for one was waiting for this to happen . there are not alot of elk in texas, but I knew about this small heard. I figured that some rancher out there would capitilize on this and offer elk hunts . I also figured a big one would be killed . I belive it is totally possible for this elk to have been free ranging in texas protected by the private property that surrounded it.

coloradohunter18 · Dec 7, 2005

oldshed i think your right because ive heard aboutsome rumors that havent came upon MM yet and if this rumor i true it is bigger than this one killed in texas. and i wouldnt doubt that that bull came off a high fenced ranch

coloradohunter18 · Dec 7, 2005

look what B&C says aboutthis bull

This bull has been getting a lot of play over the Internet, and rightfully so. Here?s what we know:

The bull is believed to have been taken by a bowhunter in Texas. It has yet to be entered into B&C or Pope & Young, so no entry or due diligence has been initiated.

What is unclear is whether or not this bull will meet eligibility requirements for entry into B&C should it be entered. Texas Parks and Wildlife Dept. does not consider elk a game animal and as such do not have a management plan in place for elk (hunters do have to have a state hunting license, but there is no elk license or tag.) There is also no currently recognized hunting season for elk in Texas, and can therefore be taken year-round. Elk are not native to Texas (other than the Guadalupe Mountains). They are currently considered an Exotic.

We'll keep you posted when we know more.

RLH · Dec 8, 2005

dang, i guess everthing is big in Texas. man, that's a big bull. free range, fair chase, taking legally. i say put it in the books. b&c seems to always look for a reason to exclude things tho. the animal grew the horns. recognize it. they food plot raised, chemically enhanced whitetail shot over a cornflinger. many years ago new mex tranplanted rocky mt sheep. some of em migrated into Az. Az. had no laws concerning them. some enterprising guys went to where they were and shot some. perfectly legal. seems like at least one o' them made the books. and SoTx, let's not be redundant. ain't liein' Texan an oxymoron?

. good job on the bull.