How Big of a Utah Bull?

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ktc

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If you KNEW, FOR A FACT, you would draw in the next 5 years in Utah. How big would your bull have to be, in inches, to be satisfied?

For me it would have to be 350+ or I feel I would not have given a good effort, judged poorly, or got bull fever.

How about you?
 
KTC...my buddy!!

It will be fun when you draw this year. Can't wait to get that stinky elk hide on my back...or maybe your horses back.

Here is my take:

With a gun, I would say that you are right on! I would still shoot a lesser bull and be happy as the hunt got later.

With a bow, I would say to shoot the first nice 6 point you see.

With a muzz........ how about 310 or better.

I have been on a couple " For Sure " hunts that turned out a little different than I thought they would.

These animals are still free ranging, have great noses and do not like people.

Slayer
 
ktc

THIS IS KINDA LIKE YOU ASKING ME,IF I HAD A CHOICE OF A'S,B'S,C'S OR DD'S WHAT WOULD IT BE???

JUST KIDDING!!!

WE ALL WANT A 400"+ BULL!!!

ALOT OF US ARE NOT GETTING ONE!!!

I THINK A 350"+ BULL IS VERY RESPECTABLE BULL!!!

NOW I'M PRAYING YOU'RE NOT PUTTING IN FOR THE LADIES HUNT???

I JUST DON'T SEE YOU AS A PERSON TO SHOOT FISH IN A BARRELL!!!

THE ONLY bobcat THINKING YOU'D BETTER TELL US SOON,ARE YOU SHOOTING FISH IN A BARRELL OR ARE SHOOTING A BIG STINKY RUTTING BULL???
 
Elkslayer,

You bring up a good point that I forgot to mention. For me 350+ but that is definately with a rifle.

bess,

I am doing early any weapon/rifle!
 
335 ARCHERY
355 RIFLE
345 MUZZLELOADER
380 LATE ELK HUNT?
I guess it would depend on the type of permit I drew and where I drew if I was gauranteed a permit in the next 5 years.
The truth is if they keep giving more permits and not letting bulls mature good luck in about 5 years even having a chance at a 330 plus bull on most of the LE units.
DO NOT FIX WHAT IS NOT BROKEN keep tag numbers low and the elk racks huge.
Just my two cents.......................
 
WHAT BIRDUM SAID!!!

I HOPE THEY NEVER FIND A BULL THAT DIED OF OLD AGE!!!

THE ONLY bobcat GUARANTEEING THE NEW AGE OBJECTIVES SUCK,I SAID THEY SUCK,I SAID THEY SUCK,I SAID THEY SUCK,I SAID THEY SUCK,I SAID THEY SUCK,I SAID THEY SUCK,DAMN CAPS LOCK BUTTON LOCKED UP ON ME THERE FOR A MINUTE!!!
 
Well I'll tell ya, I drew a Very very highly sought after tag here in Nevada for Archery Elk during the rut, My standards were set on 390+ due to my Preseason scouting and years of hunting the area. Did I get what I wanted? No, Did I see what I wanted? Yes. Would I make the same decision again? In a heart beat.
If I drew the tag I wanted in Utah for Archery elk, 390 would be what I would be set at. If I shot a bull that was 380 I wouldn't be dissapointed in the least because it's really hard to feild judge between a 380 and a 390 bull. But I definately do know this, I would not shoot a bull until it absolutely dropped my jaw on the ground.




-Cass
 
Depends mostly on the unit for me. If I had a San Juan, Pahvant, Dutton, Beaver or Boulder, I'd set my sights at 380.

If I had a Wasatch or Manti I'd be tickled with a 350.

There's lots of other units, but you get the idea.

If I had a late hunt it'd have to be 400 on any unit. HAHAHAHA:)

Come the last night of the hunt anything over 300 better be watching his arsssss. I HATE TAG SOUP!
 
350 looks REAL BIG on the wall. Especially if you have a small wall! I would shoot for the 350 and pray that the first one I see was 375 net.....
 
NOW Tony

ktc IS CLAIMING IT WILL TAKE A DODGE TO HAUL SOMETHING AS BIG AS HIS BULL IS GOING TO BE!!!

I HOPE THIS IS ktc's YEAR!!!

THIS WON'T LAST FOREVER!!!

LET EM LIVE,LET EM GET BIG,LET A FEW HUNT EM!!!

LET A FEW DIE OF OLD AGE,HOW'D YOU LIKE A BULLET AT AGE 4-5???

HAVE YOU EVER HEARD HANK JR. SING:"WHEN SOMETHINGS GOOD WHY DOES IT CHANGE"???

IT'S USUALLY DUE TO GREED,THATS WHY!!!

GREED COMMING FROM TWO DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS!!!

DWR WANTING MORE MONEY WHEN THEY KNOW FOR A FACT THEY CAN GET IT!!!

AVERAGE JOES WANTING OPPORTUNITY IN L.E. UNITS THAT WERE NEVER SET UP OR MANAGED FOR AVERAGE JOES!!!

THE ONLY bobcat SUGGESTING ONCE & AGAIN:L.E. UNITS WERE NEVER SET UP FOR CRY-BABIES WANTING MORE OPPORTUNITY,YOU WANT OPPORTUNITY BUY YOURSELF A GENERAL OPEN BULL TAG & YOU CAN HUNT EVERY YEAR,YOU & 40,000 OTHER JOES!!!
 
Bess,
You finally said something I agree with. Maybe I havn't given you enough credit. I don't want to go that far.
I drew Utah LE tag a few years ago and wanted to shot a 350+ bull. I saw a couple but ended up shooting a 330 bull. That was a good bull back then. That same unit has seen a couple 400 bulls and a lot over 370 the last couple years. Now they want to screw it all up.
 
I Would be satisfied with a 350+ bull, anything over 370 would be a dream come true. Hell, who am I kidding just drawing out would be the dream come true.
 
ALBUBBA

YOU SAID YOU'D NEVER TALK TO ME AGAIN!!!

330 AIN'T BAD!!!

THE HARD DECISION IS:IF OPENING MORNING ktc SEE'S A 350" BULL DOES HE SHOOT IT OR DOES HE LET IT WALK???

IF YOU SHOOT A 350" BULL YOUR DONE,IF YOU LET THE 350" BULL WALK YOU MIGHT BE SCREWING UP!!!

MOST UNITS HAVE A FEW 390"+ BULLS IN THEM,IF YOU CAN GET LUCKY & FIND ONE OF THEM???

THE ONLY bobcat HOPEING THE UNITS STAY TROPHY UNITS RATHER THAN TURNING INTO "JOE" UNITS,WHEN THE L.E. UNITS FIRST ARRIVED THERE WEREN'T ANY JOES EVEN THINKING ABOUT BIG ELK!!!
 
ktc,
Start getting your horses ready,opening day is only 8 months away.A wise man once stood on the steps of the capital and was very confident that Utah would some day become a state that could grow some of the largest elk racks in the western United States.I was on those steps and thought I will support his methods in any way I can but honestly thought It will never happen.I was proved wrong and I know first hand it can be very frustrating not drawing the permits but that is what it takes to grow huge bulls, very limited hunting and tough draw odds.This method has worked so well WHY WOULD ANYONE OR GROUP WANT TO CHANGE the system now?
GREED AND MONEY will take its toll on the very strong mature bulls we have today in a very short time.
330 is nice in my book but 360 and above is EYE CANDY.
Lets not lose the qaulity no matter what.
 
I did not think it could happen either bird. It did and now someone wants to screw it up. I hope the wise man takes this seriously and squashes any thoughts of "a 320 bull would be great every 5 years" crap. 280, 300, 320, or 350 it is once in a life opportunity and should be treated as such. When they do get 3-4 year old units it will only make the 5-6 year units much harder to draw. Everyone will apply there. Why? BECAUSE EVERYONE WANTS THE BIG ONES!

I have not heard one Utard yet say "Oh, 280 would be nice" on this thread.
 
280..... a dream harvest for sure!! Put it right above my couch out on the front deck of my double-wide.... so my cousins could drive by and pop a few paintball shots at it when they run out of beer bottles to toss in the air and shoot at.....


Rifle in a Utah Rut LE unit.... gotta make B&C Awards 360 net.

Mzzldr with those dates and the mzzldr deer hunters everywheres... 330-340 net

Bow with pre-rut dates, spike/cow and bow deer hunters everywheres....in almost all the units and all the mzzldr and rifle tag holders out and about 'scouting' to see that the bow hunters don't get 'their' bull........ 300-325 net.
 
Bess,
I think it depends on the unit your hunting and what you see during preseason scouting trips.
We hear of a few 380+ bulls being taken and think that everyone that had a tag got one. A buddy of mine had a brother-in-law that had a Pahvant tag and shot a 350 bull. The odds are against you to shoot one of the two bulls that push 400 in the good units.
Good luck to all on the draw. I hope to draw my Book Cliffs deer tag this year.
 
280 is a great bull PD! Every 5 or so years with thousands of tags on each unit, WOW, fun times! Can you imagine, 280 bulls on every wall in the house?

I have a 280 bull. Well, I HAD a 280 bull. I gave it away. Maybe I should have kept it and made knife handles or something really cool.

I like cass's standards. I will take a 380 if I must. Not! 380 is a PUD! If my calculations add up incorrectly I will settle for 380. 390+ is my goal. 400+ is my goal! No, 410! If I see a 350 bull bess, I will spat on him! Tiny little fellars anyway. 350 satellite bulls just get in your way! They just spook the herd! That and all of the dead, stinking, rotting old elk carcasses!

Last year I saw a 439 2/8 bull. I am holding out until the bitter end! I scoff at 380 bulls. I am going to drive down the road in my Dodge and pick my 400+ bull! It is a shoot, not a hunt! I will be sighting my rifle in for 1000 yards, buy a varmint barrel, buy a shot drop compensator, sell my Leica 900 and go for the Swarovski 1500. Modify the truck bed into the nicest beer cooler you ever saw. Utah is the largest elk ranch in America! We are talking high fence here fellars! It is like shooting bulls at Lagoon on the train ride. I am ready. Let the games begin Tuesday morning at 8 am.....

I am stoked with 13 points! What do you do with 13 points? You draw out thats what! God have mercy on those grain fed look-a-likes! You guys with 2 points, HA! You will never draw in your lifetime!;-)

After that I won't draw either.:-(
 
KTC,
So which unit ya putting in for? You have two or three great options.


BTW,
The huge bull at Lagoon is starting to regress. Maybe he's the one bull in Utah to die of old age.
 
bub,

See my new thread.:)

I sure hope there are some easy going people here and take my comments toungue in cheek!
 
>a 350 bull bess, I
>will spat on him! Tiny
>little fellars anyway. 350 satellite
>bulls just get in your
>way!

>
>Last year I saw a 439
>2/8 bull. I am holding
>out until the bitter end!

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I spit beer all over my keyboard ,, KTC if you didnt post this website wouldnt be the same. thank you for your entire post it was a classic in sarcasm. a true work of art.

NH
 
nohat

NO SARCASM FROM ktc!!!

HE'S DEAD SERIOUS!!!

A LITTLE DILERIOUS AT TIMES ABOUT SHOOTING THE BIG BOY OUT THE WINDOW OF THE DODGE BUT THATS WHAT POWER WINDOWS ARE FOR RIGHT???

THE ONLY bobcat THINKING IF ktc DOESN'T PULL THE TAG THIS YEAR HE'LL BE AFFECTED WORSE THAN EVER,IT'S HIS TURN,LET HIM DRAW & LET HIM TAKE THE BIGGEST STINKIEST BULL ON THE MOUNTAIN!!!
 
nohat,

I was in a weird mood that day. This draw is doing funny things to me. Max points, age objectives, draw odds, and score! I need to bow out of the race!

bess,

I am serious. I started meking my Cummins powered beer cooler yesterday. I have been frantically building a swiveled model window-pod that is permanently attached to the Dodge driver side window. I am thinking I need an autoloader?

I am thinking a loud speaker mounted to the roof. I am going to download some bugles and digitally master them to a CD. Plug that baby into the CD player and switch it to bullhorn mode. I might even get a boom box so I can hit the low notes real good.

I really need some window decals to fit in.
 

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