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I was wondering how many people were planning putting in for this unit? and I would be more than glad to help anyone that doesn't know the area and is new to the state. I am not lookin for any compencation just lookin to help my fellow hunters in having the time of there life chasing these big elk. So if you need help just email me at [email protected] or PM me.
 
HuntNevada,

You must be related to Cass:)

If you really want help for that area and draw, contact Timberline Outfitters in McGill. Thomas takes big bulls every year for his clients.

Ed
 
good nose, bigbull...

JB

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
--Benjamin Franklin 1759
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-17-06 AT 09:38AM (MST)[p]This sounds like a great idea! Take out someone you just met over the internet, show them all you hunting spots, maybe even get them on a bull. Then, next year, when his buddy draws a tag in the same area they won't need you anymore and you'll be competing with them in your hunting spots. Good thinkin'.
 
Perfectly put downsouth...

No way Hunt Nevada is from Ely. Probably hunted there last year during the cow hunt, got really excited and now needs to share all of his knowledge.

I guess I'm ole school as I had to earn my way to decent hunt areas; by trial and error, scouting, and luck. Or the other way was through family or a very close friend, in which I worked my a$$ off, helping them harvest an animal. Then, it was a sacred oath of hunters, not to be shared with just anyone. Not an advertisement put over the internet.

Ed
 
Hey Bigbull i was there last year hunting and i know were the big bulls are got some 400" bulls on tape and had most of the bull thats timberline outfitters got with range of archery tackle 4 or 5 times. So don't give me any $Hit because i am a better hunter than you.
 
I also love hearing about all the 400" bulls running around Ely every year. The thing that amazes me, however, is that they never seem to get killed with the massive amount of people that scour the hills during the elk hunts. They must be really good at hiding. They might kill one or maybe two 400" bulls on a good year, but the way people talk they should be killing a lot more. They must even hide their shed antlers because you don't hear about that many 400" antlers getting found every year, Ely's a small town and word gets out quick about big sheds. I have put a tape to a few 400" elk and can tell you that it takes a lot of inches to make 400". Maybe I'm scoring them wrong or looking in the wrong record book. Later.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-17-06 AT 05:19PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Mar-17-06 AT 05:18?PM (MST)

some people are very naive about telling just about anyone what they know about hunting and where to do it. There have been some wise words spoken by bigbull1 and downsouth that everyone should follow... I'm sure huntnevada is a very generous and nice person but there are many that are not too, so maybe before you advertise you might think of "is this going to offend someone who might not want the thousands of viewers of this website to just have a hook up for nevada at no charge?"
 
Since these bull hunt are essentially once, maybe twice in a lifetime opportunities for most in NV, what exactly would be the harm in sharing as much knowledge as possible on the areas and the hunts? Unless you are a guide (read the word charge in the previous posts) or at the top of the draw pool, you have to either hunt with a camera or live vicariously thru a tagholder anyways. The bulls we are seeing today certatinly won't be their 10-15yrs later. Somebody help me out on this...confused.
Jason Gilles
 
I agree,the guy offers to help others out if they draw in his area.Thats cool.Its STILL a free country. The guy can do what he wants.The guys crying are jelouse or trying to guide so they figure to lose money...People ask for help and where to go in different units all the time on this forum.I kind of thought that was part of what it was for...quite crying,you may be lucky to hunt there once in your life...I bet you might like a little help your self...
 
Yea maybe i can't carry there spotting scope but i sure can carry my own and i picks up things very clearly so peace out.


THIS IS WHAT A GUY GETS FOR TRYING TO HELP SOMEBODY...
 
Hell chris, I'll bring the camera and come up and help ya out. brail should have his horses up there gettin cattle during the hunt so pack out should be easy.



-Cass
 
Jason,

I agree. Over the years I've received a lot of help from others on the internet, and returned the favor even more. This applies mostly to the very tough draw/once-in-a-lifetime hunts. I'm not as eager to give out info on easy draw tags, although I do that too under certain circumstances. Some places I am clammed up about. However, on the tough tags you are talking about folks who will likely enjoy their hunt one time and never return. They were either lucky or waited their turn, and it's too much a shame to put one of these tags to waste.

I scout my local areas ultra intensely. In fact, just got back from 2 hours scouting/shed hunting. Nobody works harder at it. However, long distances prevent this in many instances. We all know that.

I've been on a couple 1/100+ hunts where even the locals were striking out and I promptly directed them to several specific spots with specific instructions. I've been on hunts where as a complete stranger I was treated me like a king. Hunters helping hunters.

On the other hand, most who profit on our great resources have different motives. I will never forget one time I was a rookie alone in Montana trying to find just an average public land place for my first deer hunt. I was having a miserable time. Stumbled into a place in Broadus and was rudely treated like crap. Turned out they guided I guess on private land and were used to catering to cash kings. I have been trashing them for 10 years.

Too bad for them. There's another outfitter in New Mexico who helped me out when I was in a pinch with a place to hunt. He knew I had no money. I've been sending paying clients his way for the last 6 years. What goes around comes around.

I run my business the same way.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-18-06 AT 09:58PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Mar-18-06 AT 09:56?PM (MST)

Hey bigbull- Why do you care if someone helps out a fellow hunter on practically a once-in-a-lifetime hunt.He is not making money off of it.Guides advertise over the internet all the time.They take out guys who have not worked they're --- off for any hunting experience.Yeah, they work hard for their clients sharing they're secret oath so they can make money.In the mean time the rest of us are hunting our behinds off while Joe shmow pays a high price to come into our area and shoot a big bull(just to say he shot a big bull).Most guys will only draw that tag once and if someone here is willing to help out, I don't see what the big deal is.If anybody is pissed about that, it's because they feel like they are being cheated just like I feel when people ADVERTISE AND MAKE MONEY ON A SPORT THAT I HAVE WORKED MY --- OFF FOR.
 
The late rifle in this unit is usually my 5th choice. If I were to luck out, I wouldn't hesitate to contact HN.

I drew a Rubies tag in 04 and got about 20 calls from Huntinfool members last year. I described the area, where the deer would be during late archery, and my experences. I also warned them about the sub-zero weather. I only put one guy on to the specific area I hunted and he shared his knowledge of an Az. archery area with me. No harm No foul.

I drew A Rubies tag again in 05 but a different season and different weapon. The info I gave up didn't affect me.
 
That's awesome that the guy helped you with the Az. archery. That's what it's all about.What area did you have in the Ruby's last year.I have had that late archery hunt the last 2 years.Tagged out on small bucks at the end.What a tough hunt.Seen some damn fine bucks too.It is hard to hunt them bucks that late and in the cold.I have had every deer hunt in the rubies and that one was definately the hardest.
 
Calif,

That was one of the good things I got rid of when I dropped Garth's publication. I got bombarded by guys wanting info to the point of being unreasonable. They should put a limit on that system before they piss off their own members.

I wish I still had the info so I could make sure not to apply in his flooded units. Check out the odds swings for yourself. Me and my 9 points are abandoning Colorado unit 21 deer for this reason. I think I am out of their game now until I draw my Nevada mulie tag. The seasons overlap too much. 6 points should get me that before too long.
 
I am trying to e-mail you,but it won't send to that address.I want to get some elk videos and might come down this fall.How can I contact you?
 
If it gets HuntNevada's rocks off to take someone out that he met over the internet more power to him. I was just trying to warn him a little. I've experienced it first hand when you take somebody that you thought you could trust with your hunting areas after a bull one year. Then the next year he's back with his uncle's cousin's neighbor's kid's friend that drew the tag hunting in the area's you showed him, then the next year he's back with a different person and the guy he brought in there's last year's back with somebody else. Pretty soon your elk hunting spots junk and if a good bull does happen to show up it's a rat race up the mountain to see who can get to it first. Or just take somebody out that's got a big mouth and watch what happens the next year on opening day, I've watched that firsthand also. If you've actually ever hunted this area during the rifle hunts you probably already know what I'm talking about. I do know though that I've already had my tag and killed my bull and I'm still not going to share my hunting areas with somebody I just met off of the internet, I'll wait until someone else in my family draws a tag and find them a good bull. Later.
 
downsouth,

That may be understandable for residents, but not for someone coming from 1,100 miles away. Applicants in my area are very scattered and rare. None of my friends or family even applies out west, much less for tough draw units. It's simply zero concern. Residents would be much different. Lower fees and better odds make it good practice to keep spots secret in most cases.
 
downsouth,

I'm pretty sure Hunt Nevada-Chris, is just a young hunter full of energy and the excitement after seeing some bulls last year.

A few years ago, some hunter brought in a hunting journalist to an area I frequent for upland game. Doing what most writers do, he wrote an article in a national magazine praising the bird hunting there. Any wonder what happened by the next season? Opening day looked like the grand opening to a Walmart.

Chris will learn the hard way, when his honey holes have a new KOA, and 7-11 nearby.

Ed
 
>I was wondering how many people
>were planning putting in for
>this unit? and I would
>be more than glad to
>help anyone that doesn't know
>the area and is new
>to the state. I am
>not lookin for any compencation
>just lookin to help my
>fellow hunters in having the
>time of there life chasing
>these big elk. So if
>you need help just email
>me at [email protected] or PM
>me.
 
NVGuy. I drew the early rifle in 05. We packed in about 10 miles on the Wed. before the season. Saw between 25-40 bucks a day but not the quality I saw during the late hunt. We got bout 20" of snow on the first Sun. and the stock couldn't get to the feed so we ended the hunt early on Tues. taking 2 24" bucks. Just couldn't find that next class of buck.
 
I am really glad that I am not the only one here that won't tell everyone anything they want to know. but hey some have to learn the hard way just glad that I wasn't one of them!!!! Information goes farther than the person you give it too no matter where they are from or their circumstances. Some of the best hunting units in utah and colorado have been ruined by over-publicity.
 
HuntNevada, thanks for the offer of help. I don't see anything wrong with helping out fellow hunters without having to get something in return $$$$.

There are plenty of guys on this site that I have helped for free, sending them movies of the units, or topo map intel even hooked up for a day or two with some to show 'em around and hunt with them.

I think it is kinda nice to have someone offer to pitch in and help out fellow hunters....

Got no clue why one would challenge you about some guide outfit... anyways thanks for offering to help a lucky elk hunter out.

Now if it was deer you had some fair knowledge about.... I'd be all over your offer.. ha
 
I replied to this post earlier, and mentioned "at no charge." but I should have put it like this "without respecting that other people from that state or any other state would probly not appreciate people giving out information about their spots". Also I should mention that I dont hunt that state for those that would say that I am trying to protect that area like it was an area of mine or someone I know. I am just respectful of those who put in the time, and work hard for their knowledge!!! Some people that are not guides put in many hours and a lot of money to learn different areas...only to find out that somebody else found out this information at less expense and much less time! I've helped others with hunting, but they were close friends and family within a circle of trust not just anyone. For those who are willing to help anyone, you might not see directly how your help(information) could and will affect the opportunities of others but someone else will. I am sure those who oppose these views are probably very genuinely great people who are very knowledgeable about hunting so I give them my respect for that, but again give my concern and opinion.
 
Muley... I respect your opinion. Nevada, especially for elk is a little different. I'm 46 with 4 points. I will be lucky to draw a nevada bull tag twice in my life. Even though I realize that when i find a spot in a hunt like this and tell someone else, ten more people may get that knowledge, i don't think it matters. If I took HuntNevada up on this, I would still scout it for several days or a week before the season. I wouldn't take anybodie's word on it and go in blind.

You never know. I mnight find some great mule deer in the process.
 
How did most of the other top notch guides get started in the business??

Being on the mountain, helping others out and not charging anything to do it, they just loved being out and about and getting into good quality animals.

As life progressed for them, maybe they had a chance to become a sub-guide and then a guide and maybe by now they are some of the best guides in the west.

Could it possibly be that some day in the future this fair and helpful kid might be one of the top guides in Nv.??

Thanks for your offer to help Chris.... your a stand-up kinda person.
 
It is clear that the guys that bag on people for wanting to help a fellow member are in it for the money. What is the harm in helping out a guy, especially in a once in a lifetime hunt. Most guides, (hunting and fishing) seem to think they own the forest, or the river. Well to tell you guys the truth, most regular joes think you are complete jacka$$es. I personally would rather slit my own wrists than pay someone to take me hunting. You don't want someone helping out another hunter because you want to go on exploiting everyone's game animals for your pocketbook. Lets just make it clear.....it is everyone's game. Huntnevada, keep helping people out....it will come back around. You don't need to give your honey hole, but a place to start really helps people out. Don't listen to the people that are motivated by the dollar and not the experience.
 
For those of you that may think that I am a guide I am not. Also as long as its "everyones game" everyone just might be hunting your honey hole next year because we stumbled onto someone who would tell us anything we wanted even though we'll only be there once we will tell anybody who asks what ever they want to know about your area. I respectfully stated an opinion and the first thing that happens is name calling and a whole bunch of assumptions!!WOW. Thankyou to those who were respectful! Believe me I know how it is to draw a tag in an area I dont know that well and needing help, but guess who put in their time to scout, and earn their knowledge... and finally nobody could pay me enough money to tell them anything I know about my spots so I am definitely not in anything for the money!
 
Ed, how funny!

I'll bring some llama jerky and Hawiian Punch....and some maps for sharing info...

Okay, I'm from Utah so I guess I better bring some green jello too....'OH my Heck'...

Lets say at the 'Gentlemans Club' in West Wendover Nv.... ha
 
I don't understand what the big deal is? What's wrong with giving someone a general area to start out at or areas deer/elk might be? If drawn this year, I will be new to the game, the hunt, needless to say, new to the area. If and when I get drawn, I will be asking for a general area to start out at or some general tips. I won't be asking for a particular pinpoint area to map in on my gps to get there. Maybe: "hey, why don't you try the north east corner of unit xxx?" because I do understand the concerns about an area getting over-populated because of publicity. I can't stand hunters that are hush hush about everything! Are you that hard up about you and your hunting? Who is bigbull anyway? He was talking about not being able to carry an outfitters spotting scope. He must be quite the hunter!
 
I have no idea why people are knocking this guy. Why would he want to do anything but help. Maybe he would enjoy seeing a guy take a big bull. That is propably the only thing he would get out of this whole deal.
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-02-06 AT 01:01AM (MST)[p]Sorry i haven't replied i just didn't want to say anything that would make anybody else upset about this i don't like to make anybody think i just want to screw up anybody i just want to help anybody with info and thats about it. I have the most respect for what Thomas Brunson and what the Marques' are doing and would not like to see them get screwed over or anyone get screwed over so i am saying sorry for this big mess and was not out to offend anyone one.

HUNTNEVADA
 
Howdy Cory,

Cass and HuntNevada are available if/when you need help. I already stated that HuntNevada is probably excited from seeing and stalking some nice bulls. Sounds like a nice guy wanting to share his knowledge. Don't know if this is the proper format for his good intentions.

I have an opinion like everyone else, and think that first-hand big game hunt info should be earned, not given away freely.

I have no clue what "hard up about you and your hunting?" means.

I recommended an outfitter for people who obtain elk tags in that area as Timberline Outfitters has had tremendous success. HuntHevada indicated he had seen the same bulls, and successfully stalked those bulls same as the outfitter. I don't know of many hunters that could compare with or "carry their spotting scope", myself included.

I am a good hunter, but know many others that can far exceed my skills. I could never compare to you however.

Ed
 
I think that it is geat that somebody is willing to help and enjoy a good time and memory, and also take a chance.

I will get hold of you "if" I draw, I am one of those "Cash" Kings!

I own my own 4,000 acres ranch and lease all hunting rights to another 18,000. here in New Mexico, receive a good number of elk tags outside of the Gila, and love wildlife, and the idea of shaping the ranch for the future of the sport, No Cattle except every three years!, I am very out of shape and work seven days a week and enjoy good stories from fellow hunters, "If" and "when" i can go. And NO i am not selling any tags! Family and friends only. Especially like to whatch kids eyes when they get an oppurtunity at a big bull!

While i do hire guides occasionaly i like ranchers and people that just like to go.

This was, and is, the proper forum for this type of communication.
Thank You for taking the time to extend your gracious thoughts of sharing your knowledge!

The seperation of class on hunting is getting bigger every year! the price will be that our children will not be able to go because we will not be able to afford to take them along.
They will lose their interest and nobody will be sharing any honey holes, or listening to the bugles all night long.

Such as the argueing going on here is about, Money, Sales pitches and greed!

Buy a ranch and put your life into yor dream!
 
BigBull, what I was referring to about you making the comment about being able to carry Timberline spotting scope is: well, you made it sound as if your part of Timberline, and if that's the case, then that would be a valid comment from you. I guess what I was really trying to say is why would you brag on someone so heavily when your not part of them; but maybe your good friends with them, I don't know. Here's what I'm really trying to say, using a different example. Here in Texas, everybody are UT fans. I know one guy, loves UT, obsessed with UT. He knows no one at UT, no one who have ever been to UT, has no personal connection with UT. I don't get it, why is he so hardcore UT?

I guess I should have used different wording to not come off confrontational. Also, I'll be the first to tell you that I know nothing but what I've read about big game hunting (elk, mule deer), and I have I never put on that I do know anything, whitetails are what I know. I'm just someone who is excited about getting the opportunity to try something new.

I think I'm going to go ahead and back myself out of this topic, it seems to be a sensitive topic. If I ticked anyone off, I truley didn't mean to.
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-03-06 AT 03:28PM (MST)[p]Cory,

I am a former client and they are hardest working outfitters I've ever seen. They earned my respect, my referral, and I hope they consider us friends.

Good luck with the muleys and elk. I am trying my first whitetail hunt this fall in Alberta :)

Ed
 

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