Nevada 2006 Tag quotas

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This past weekend the Nevada state game commision voted to increase the bull tags in units 111-115 221,222 by 105 bull tags. These are the resident numbers, non-residents get 10% of the resident quota.
Early rifle bull 240
Late rifle bull 200
Muzzleloader bull 50
Archery bull 45
The good news is most of the other units in the state had a decline in bull tags.
It won't be long now until the benchmark for this tag will be 300 inches instead of 350.
 
Dang, made me dig out my printed copy of my appl.

That hunt code of units doesn't come into play for me until my 3& 4 choices....

I was hoping they would give a few more Archery bull tags in other units, more hunters less harvest... that type of deal.

Thanks for posting the numbers for us...
 
It's going to take a lot more than 105 hunters getting bulls over 350 to decline that herd.



-Cass
 
Cass
Obviously you are not from the area. Otherwise you would know that the problem isnt a decline in the overall herd but a decline in the mature bulls. Over the last 5 yrs with more tags being given every year the mature bulls have taken a serious hit. There will always be a few mature bulls that is taken every year but definately not like it used to be.
 
Hey Cass,
Whats the chances of a guy arrowing a decent buck out of # 113 or 114?
Ya filming many good bucks in your fall filming/hunting?

Thanks, Robb
 
CantDraw hit the nail right on the head. I can remember hunting this area back when there was around 50 or 60 tags total for all the hunts and that was not long ago. The NDOW has proceeded to bump the number of tags up every year. There used to be only the rifle and archery hunts. Then they added a muzzleloader hunt, then when they had too many tags and too many people complaining about stepping on each others toes during the single rifle hunt they decided to have two rifle hunts to solve that problem. Now they still continue to bump tag numbers up. The poor bulls get chased pretty much non stop from the end of October to the end of December. The issue is not the number of elk, but like CantDraw said the number of mature bulls. Most people that draw this tag don't want to go home with a dink. There really is no place for these bulls to hide during this hunt. There are main county roads and highways on each side of the mountain ranges and all anyone needs is a good spotting scope and patience. All a good bull needs to do is step out into the open one day during the muzzleloader, early rifle, or late rifle hunt and chances are they'll get killed, even in the thick PJ country. Just look at the number of big bulls that get killed every year in relation to the number of tags. The number of big bulls that get killed every year keeps getting smaller while the number of tags keeps increasing. Ask anyone that's hunted this area consistently for the last few years and they'll probably tell you that you don't see near the quality of bulls that you used to. Some people try to claim that it due to the elk getting smarter, but the hunters are getting smarter as well. Like NVGuide said, it won't be much longer and a 300" bull will be considered good for this hunt.
 
A Buck, You'd be better off looking up my cousin Chris on here. He mainly hunts unit 11 for deer. His name on here is HuntNevada. Best of luck robb!



-Cass
 
I think this won't hurt the mature bulls as much as everyone things. I mean it's 100 tags over 3 hunts over what? 111,112,113,114,115, 221,222 That's 7 units. 105 tags more a year. 3 hunts per year. Thats an average of 5 more hunters per hunt per unit. Not a lot. I believe in this herd. I've watched it since I before I was able to know what an elk was.



-Cass
 
nvguide, where did you get those figures?I was hoping they would post the quotas,but I couldn't remember if they waited until the results to say what the quotas were.I hope this is the year that I draw if they keep raising the tags.I put in for archery for these units 1st choice and muzzle for it 4th choice.With 8 bonus points I would think I would draw one,but I need to try not to get my hopes up in case of a let down.
 
Cass, if you actually spent as much time over the years in this area as you claim you would know that this is not the case. It's not just the increase this year, but also the increase in tags numbers every year for the last ten years. Granted, there are a lot more elk now, but also alot more hunters. The good bulls have a slimmer chance each year of making it through to the next. The elk herd is not going to get destroyed, but the number of quality bulls is. But hey, that just my opinion, we'll see what happens over the next few years an hopefully I'm wrong.
 
Cass, yeah you are right there are seven units total to hunt in but guess what the majority of the hunters hunt 111, 221, 222 and some of 114. That is 4 out of the seven and I would say probably 60% of the bulls harvested are primarily out of 111, and 222. Pretty sad to see the quality of the herd diminishing the way it has, I remember the days when we were producing bulls the way Utah is right now, all I have to say is great job on management goes out to Utah!
 
I had some close game board friends at the commision meeting, that is where I got the numbers, they won't be out in print until the tags are issued. For the guy asking about the cow tags they decreased this year. I am not sure the numbers right off the top of my head, you can get the proposed cow quota off the department of wildlife website, and what was proposed was approved.
 
Wes,

They used the bull to cow ratio.... Which we have been saying is out of wack ever since they started killing a whole bunch of cows 10 years ago.
 
We need to get writing letters, attend commission meetings, and voice our opinions. It would be sad to see the average bull tagged be a raghorn or small six like some parts of Colorado.

Ed
 
A lot of the pressure to increase tags comes from the ranching interests in NV. Ranching is well represented in the decision making process. Maybe you give them more Landowner tags and they will back off pressure to reduce herds - same old story - hunters competing with ranchers. In Colorado elk have BECOME the livestock but that is not the case in NV due to the way they handle tag allocation. Again, if you want the ranching interests to back off they need incentives to winter the herds. I am not advocating that but it is just plain the way it is.
 
gl7mm
I feel you are totally wrong! The ranchers get plenty of incentives, they are given landowner tags that they obviously sell for what they are worth. The more mature bulls there are to hunt translates to more money people are willing to pay for a landowner tag. The going price now for a tag is anywhere between 10-12 thousand, several thousand less than it has been in the past, due to the decline in the mature bulls. So why would ranchers want more tags which will result in more big bulls being killed which means their tags are worth less. The ranchers that I personally know in our area want there to be less bull tags so we get the older class bulls again which will increase the value of the tags they receive.
 
I may be wrong and feel free to correct me if I am. But I've heard that there is a cap on the number of elk in the area because of the ranchers. This is the reason for the increase in elk tags. If they want to keep the number of elk down don't you think it would be wise to also increase the number of cow tags. no matter how many bulls you take out of the herd the cows are still going to get bred. Its a shame that the quality of bulls has declined as bad as it has. I'm just glad I've already be lucky enough to have drawn a tag.
 
If it's all about the ranchers, then why are there no landowner elk tags (bulls or cows) for Ruby valley? how do you explain the 15 bull tags and 45 cow tags for the Ruby Valley depredation hunt. I've seen one group of elk in Ruby Valley with that many animals. notice the fine print in the proc.

NVMDF
 
Believe it or not the pressure didn't come from the ranchers. The ranchers in the Ely area all said the same thing as the sportsmen when the quota recommendations came out. This herd has been near the cap set forth by the White Pine County elk management plan for about 6 years not the herd has not grown in size since 2002, according to NDOW's numbers.
 
Alot has been stated about the quality of the bulls in Nevada. The lack of asking the right people the right questions has caused alot of false statements and ideas. First of all, true sportsmen, like my self, have an open dialogue with the ranchers. They were appalled by the huge increase in the bull quota. They too were concerned about the quality being upset by the increase in numbers. NDOW shows a high success rate of six point bulls. But they can not say if they were a four year old six point or a eight year old six point that was harvested. They base there increase of bull tags on recruitment. How many of those twin calves were actually orphans from the fall cow hunt. NVguide stated that the average point class of 350 could fall to below 300 is infact a more than likely outcome. But anyone who is successful in obtaining a bull tag had better be prepared to hike to 8500' and above to harvest a 350 plus bull. Yes, under our W.P. elk plan we do have an objective level. And the sportsmen have stood up to their obligation to that plan. Under the old plan, once the numbers had reached the objective levels, then the land use agencies would do a three year study to justify an increase or decrease in elk numbers. Can't get that done. Soo, we are taking a different approach.
My concerns are first with the health and quality of the herd. Then ample opportunity for sportsmen to harvest a quality bull of their choice should be second. I encourage all of you to get involved by attending meetings, developing habitat and resources that will benefit wildlife and hunting opportunity.
 

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