Hypocrites

The only hypocrits are the fuggin' Montana Residents who think a $20 elk tag and a $16 deer tag is even close to market value.

The best way to make up the slack is to raise the Resident fees, I'll be writing the Governor of Montana today as well as the legislature.

In that letter, I will ask them to raise Resident elk tags to no less than $50 and deer tags to no less than $40. I'll also recommend that all antlerless deer and antelope tags be $25 each.

What residents pay currently is a joke, time for them to step up and quit being a bunch of cheap skates.

The FWP employees are not over-paid, and frankly, I dont know why they do the job they do for the low pay they receive. Pretty sad when a biologist with a masters degree is making $16/hour.

Time for hunters/fishermen to wake up and realize that management costs money...and you largely get what you pay for. Or, in this case, get exactly what you DONT pay for.
 
I think it's funny that they depend so heavily on the NR's
Need more money get it from the NR's
Of course, if that's all it would take to "again" raise NR's license fees it would be done.
Blame it on whatever. Hunting quality and the price of it is lowering the demand for available NR licenses.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-20-12 AT 10:52AM (MST)[p]I agree, its pretty obvious that Montana is or has maxed out the price that NR's are willing to pay.

Its not the best idea to have NR's funding 67% of your annual budget.

Heres the bottom line, I was born in Montana, lived there for 32 years. From the time I was 12 until I moved away in 2000 I doubt I spent $1,000 for all my elk, deer, bear, lion, fishing, bird, trapping, a moose tag and a goat tag the whole time.

Since 2001, (not complaining), I have spent over $8,000 in Non-Resident hunting there. The average Resident will not pay 8K in 2-3 lifetimes of hunting there.

It gets old listening to Residents whine about the lack of management, "grossly over-paid" MTFWP employees, etc. In particular when they're spending a whopping $36 for an elk and deer tag.

Wow, thanks a lot for the $36 dollars you paid for those tags, that will buy an entire half tank of fuel to help "manage" the states Wildlife.

Its criminal what residents pay for tags, and BTW, I complained constantly when I was a resident that the tags were wayyy too cheap.

Wildlife doenst manage itself, it takes money.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-20-12 AT 12:20PM (MST)[p]

Whats it cost me to buy a deer/elk tag with everything else that goes along with the MT combo in your state?Can you gaurantee me a tag?Talk about Hypocrites.Nobody is forcing you to come to MT,if you dont like it hunt another state or stay home.Your $ is paying these increased salarys so you should stop complaining about prices if you think they deserve more.I cant afford to go hunt moose in Alaska but I dont sit on here bitchin and crying about their prices,there are plenty of hunters that will take your place if you decide not to buy our tags.
 
I agree, as a resident of Montana Ive got it pretty good with the tag prices. Residents should be understanding of the pricing and accept paying alittle more to keep the hunting heritage alive and strong in Montana. Nothing comes free. In todays world everything is going up too and the residents should realize this.

However, I do get sick and tired of non residents whinning about non resident fee's too. Ive always said, dont like it, move here or to to where ever you wish to get the benifits as a resident. Pay the approate taxes to that state by living here as a resident and contribute year long to the local economy of that state. I say this as a resident of Montana but I also go hunting to other states around the west as a non resident and accept the rules/prices that state applies to me as a non resident. Montana is not the only state with high non resident fee's.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-20-12 AT 12:00PM (MST)[p]MTDEADHEAD,

Did you read my post?

I said I'm not complaining about the cost of the NR tag, I greedily pay it every year without even thinking twice.

But, what I get tired of is that MT residents dont seem to want to pay their own freight when it comes to the FWP.

The wore out old BS line that "well, we live here, we pay taxes here" is another fuggin' joke. How much of your "tax money" funds the FWP?

This isnt an issue, IMO, about the NR fees being too much. I believe, since the NR tags in Montana are just barely selling out, the price is about right.

What also isnt up for debate, is that MT residents pay the lowest price for an elk tag anywhere in the U.S. I pay more for a cow/calf tag in Wyoming than MT residents pay for a general bull tag. Matter of fact, I pay more for just a general elk tag than MT residents pay for a deer AND elk tag. Or to really put in prespective...I pay more for a WY resident doe/fawn antelope than you pay for an elk tag.

The additional funding is going to have to come from the Residents as you've maxed out the fees NR's are willing to pay...and for the third time, I have no problem with that.

What your simple mind is failing to realize is that the NR well is dry...

Yes, you can have guaranteed elk tags in Wyoming every year as NR, and they are about identical price wise with what MT charges. NR deer are significantly cheaper...antelope are about the same.
 
Alittle story. Acouple years back I was traveling through Jordan heading to the Breaks to hunt. We stopped at the Filmen's gas station to top of gas and grab a snack. There was 1 rig outside fueling up so I knew the people inside where from that truck. That truck was a very nice truck, pulling nice 4 wheelers. The plates where Montana. When I went inside to pay, I was amazed by this person what he was complaining about. The cashier was selling him doe tags and he was having a fit about the price of the doe tags. I couldnt believe this guy was complaining about the prices esp what I saw he was driving outside.

Not that this matters just interesting I thought on the behavior of some people.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-20-12 AT 12:36PM (MST)[p]We Resident hunters are biggest bunch of whiners in the state. We live on the welfare of NR hunters and expect them to fund our access through block management and then we expect them to pick up any increase in the cost of running the FWP. Then we whine if the FWP has to pay their people enough to keep them around.

Our tags would be cheap at the double the price. I just don't understand the thought process that we can afford $35 plus for box of shells, $75 plus for gas, buy special clothes, hunt with expensive fire arms, buy expensive decoys for waterfowling, travel all the the state and hunt but we can't afford to pay much more for all the tags that make it possible. Don't give me the dad with three kids story either. Take a look at most of those kids and they are packing at least $300 worth of Ipods and cellphones. I have kids and I pick up the tab for them. Even at double the price the license is the cheapest part of the hunt.

We are going to have to face up to the fact that we are going to have to pay more, period. Even without the raises in pay the dept is going backwards in terms of funding so what does that tell you.

Most Montana resident claim to love to hunt but seems to want to only do it if they are on the welfare provided by NR hunters.

Nemont
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-20-12 AT 02:35PM (MST)[p]"Did you read my post?

I said I'm not complaining about the cost of the NR tag, I greedily pay it every year without even thinking twice."
Wasnt refering to you...

If your a res and you dont think we pay enough for our tags there is nothing stopping you from figuring out what you think you should pay and donating the difference to the F&G,its tax deductable,let me know when you do that.

Nobody offers a deal like MT,I gladly pay our rates for a NV or Co muley tag,however drawing one is a lifetime comitment,doesnt matter what the price I cant draw one.
 
That is a complete and total cop out. Either you love to hunt and are willing to sacrifice a couple of cases of your Keystone light annually to pay more for the privilege of hunting as a resident in Montana.

Not only do we not pay enough, we don't pay anywhere close to what the tag is worth if one truly loves to hunt and wants to take part in all the opportunity available to us as residents.

I will match you 2 to 1 for every dollar you donate. Or we could increase prices on all resident hunters and make it so that resident hunters don't need to look to NR hunters to fund our access.

To think you feel we are paying enough for the chance to hunt as residents shows how out of touch with reality you are.

Nemont
 
NoneYet/MTDEADHEAD (thanks Buzz) just doesn't feel guilty about shooting 5-6 BIG montana big game animals every year for the price of a case of Old Mil and a pair of Exxon Aviators. Sucks when the non-residents and outfitting industry contributes 10X as much as you - which gives them more credibility than they should have when some ideas/decisions are made.
 
You'll hear no bitching from me about resident tag prices here in Montana. We have had it good for a very long time. I think that FWP has to approach raising our resident tag fees carefully and slowly. Imagine the uproar at a substantial increase. It is a hunting "culture" thing here in Montana. Cheap tags and herds of game. Change is surely coming though. mtmuley
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-20-12 AT 06:49PM (MST)[p]If it sux so bad SPAZ write em a check,whats stopping you from doing your part?The outfitters do have more of a say in hunting than anyone else,they have enough legislators and F&G commissioners in their pocket to take care of that,if you havnt figured that out already your living in a alternate reality.
They know if they raise them too far there are a BUNCH of "hunters" who buy a tag every year "just in case" that will stop purchasing tags.We pay taxs here and the landowners do their part to make sure the game have safe havens.My Grandparents have kept the cattle out of one of our lower sections as long as I can remember so there is cover for the birds and winter feed for the game,how many of you NON res cry babies are doing something like that during the week or so you spend here every year?You show up,kill our game and go home,then you want to micro manage our F&G laws and regs the rest of the year.If you are so upset about the prices you pay and price we pay make a protest,refuse to buy any more MT tags,see how many MT hunters give a #####.I would pay NON res rates if they would stop selling tags to pissants that want to change MTs hunting heritage to meet their agenda.You think I should feel bad about how little I pay for tags?Not for a minute.I hope they keep raising the non res rates every year until they price out the SOBS that ##### and complain about MTs rates/regs,they can charge me whatever they want if they can achieve that!
 
MTDEADHEAD,

You should be thanking NR hunters...not wise to bite the hand that feeds you.

You remind me of an unthankful welfare recipient.
 
I would suport an increase. We residents need to remember the Golden Rule. He who pays makes the rules. The more we pay the more infulence we will have with the comission. Trying to price nonreidents out of the market is a very bad idea. The avrage joes will be priced out first leaveing only the outfitter clients and the nonresidents that will form hunting clubs.

Antlerradar
 
If I had the $$$$$$ I've contributed to MT economy in the last 40 something years, bet I could buy a nice comfy place in the sunbelt.
But, what the Heck.

Just for anybody interested in hunting MT, RES or NON RES. I've met tons of MT folks. Pulled guys out of holes and been pulled out, help pack and got help pack, had some after hunt snacks and beverage. Visited with countless hunters men and ladies.

DEADHEAD must be one of a kind. :)
 
Lead head I think I know why you can't draw the CO or NV tags you covet....

They have obviously seen what a plick you are and don't want your sorry azz in their state!

The BULLCHIT you spew is telling of the type of guy you are and you should take a lesson from your grandparents and quit thinking of yourself only. I have no doubt the selfish plick you are you will be putting cattle on that lower section of land when you get to make the call and all else but you be damned!

I have not hunted MT but may someday. I may even move there someday and when I do come there to hunt or live won't it pain you that there is not a ******** thing your sorry selfish azz can do about it HAHA!

Bill

Kill the buck that makes YOU happy!
 
I'll throw in my 2 cents since i am a MT native and now a NonRes. Like Buzzh, in the 17 years i've been away from MT, I've spent more on MT tags than any Res will spend on tags in a lifetime. I think the NR prices are a little steep but, I pay it because i can hunt with lifelong friends and family. I don't really care what Res pay or that FWP is mostly funded off NR's backs. I hate the attitude Res have against NR. I've never understood the animosity against NR's, Especially since the NR's are paying the bills. "If you don't like it hunt in some other state " it's just ignorant.
 
Why should it about res vs. nonres. It should about what all can do help. After all the War Between the States end 1865
 
What I'm telling you guys, there is little or no animosity between the Resident and non residents hunters in Montana.
I've not come across it, can't think of a single time in 40 something years that I've happened to come across a real p#rick.:)
Like I see ummmm with this guy on these forums. He's been kicked of of several forums with all these user names and is always the same dumb azz jerk.
 
>Why should it about res vs.
>nonres. It should about what
>all can do help.
>After all the War Between
>the States end 1865


I agree 100%, i wish everyone had the same opinion
 
I ran into a real brainiac a few years ago in Montana.

I shot this bull in some country my family and I have hunted for the last 32 years. We've killed 142 deer, 41 elk, a few black bears, lions, and I also got one of the last legal lynx taken in Montana in there as well.

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The next morning while going back in to pack the rest of the bull out...noticed this on my truck:

The idiot that wrote it, I can assure you hasnt hunted there longer than myself and family have. Our family cabin, that my Grandfather built in the early 50's, is within 7-8 air miles.

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Your lucky it was only made with a finger and not a key or knife. MT isn't alone in their distain for the out of state hunt, I had a tire on a rhino sliced in UT.
 
It was nice to know that while the dummy was writing on my tailgate, I was busy taking care of a dead elk.
 
Have you ever figured the cost for an out of stater to get a deer/elk tag in your state and the odds?Your getting a sweet deal here and you know it,quit your bitchin and pay up,if you dont like the deal dont apply.Id didnt name this thread hypocrites to read their sob stories.BTW ill be picking up my sportsmans early this year,thats $85 for deer/elk/bear/fishing/conservation and upland bird,I will make sure and let the F&G know how guilty I feel about paying a reasonable price for my tags.
 
My lift ticket, a pint of beer, and a cup of joe, cost me more today than what I paid last year for licenses I used in MT to take 4 great trophy big game animals and a pile of birds. In my opinion, that's about as "reasonable" as paying somebody with a master's degree 30K to work for the FWP.
 
Resident prices are a joke, especially for the guys that actually use them.

The problem, in my opinion, is that half of the tags sold to residents go to people that go out and drive around on opening day and again before thanksgiving dinner, and never kill anything. Of course those people are going to be cheap bastards about it and complain. They're also the same people that really don't give a flip about the management practices, and use wolves as an excuse for never killing anything.

For me, my MT deer tag is worth 10x what I pay for it, at least. If they had it set up like Idaho where residents could buy leftover NR tags, I'd be the first in line.

As a side note to Buzz's picture, I hunted the same area all year in a pickup with Georgia plates, I was nervous as hell every time I got back to the pickup to see if anything happened. Luckily nothing ever did.
 
Randy, glad nothing happened to the Georgia plated truck. I guess only REAL Montanans happened by it. Anyone else might have done something stupid. mtmuley
 
I agree with mtMuley. As residents of Montana, I think we should have to pay more. We've had it good for a long time. It would have to be a slow process in doing so in little increases at a time. Taking drastic measures would not be a pretty picture.

As far as tag fee's. No 2 states are alike. No apples to apples in comparison. Wyoming I as a non resident cant even hunt they're wilderness areas unguided, reserved just for outfitters and residents where Montana doesnt do that to they're non residents. So comparing those 2 isnt a fair comparison in terms of non residents. But when comparing prices just for example, I oringally lived in Iowa and now to go back and hunt as a non resident is approx 550.00 for a deer tag and hunting lic/habitat stamp. I think that, Resident prices are about 60.00 for a deer tag and hunting lic, habitat stamp. It burns to pay those prices as a non resident, however Im happy to pay it to get the oppuritunty to hunt various states around the west and midwest.

For a fair price. In your all opinions in fairness, what should the resident fee be? and the non resident fee be? for these tags in Montana. Im just curious what you all think are fair numbers.
 
The only hypocrites are the MT residents who whine about FWP, who hasn't asked the legislature for a raise in resident fees for a long time, yet those same resident hunters want to ##### when their fees are raised once a decade. Hypocrisy at its finest.

We as MT residents are getting the subsidy of all subsidies, all on the backs of the Non-resident. They pay, most the FWP operating budget. We let them pay the majority of Block Management, while residents pay hardly anything toward BM.

Adjusted for inflation, resident fees are the lowest they have ever been. Hard to see any hypocrisy in a fee request, when it has been almost a decade since the last increase.

The whiners might want to look at the pay raises FWP employees have NOT gotten over the last ten years, though such raises had been promised to them. They have been subject to pay feeezes and/or reductions in their raises in the last ten years, at times when they were promised a raise. A raise for them at this time seems to be long past due.

But, some people just want to whine ..... those hypocrites among us.


"Hunt when you can - You're gonna' run out of health before you run out of money!"
 
They may raise them in 2015,even if they double our rates it wont make much of an impact,sales are going to drop and they wont make enough money to make a difference. the NON res/RES cry babies wont be happy until we are paying non res prices.By 2015 they will be working on raising the non res rates a couple hundred bucks again anyways and they will have something new to cry about.
 
Nonya,
There is a reason you have been banned from so many other hunting sites. It is because you are an idiot. Who here advocated for raising resident prices to the same as NR prices? Nobody.

If you can't part with $50 a year more to hunt as a resident you deserve to hunt in this state. The tag is the cheapest part. I don't care if you pay taxes here or not. I pay my taxes and I am willing to trade tax bills with you if you think you are over taxed in as a resident.

If we want competent people running our FWP we have to pay them. Otherwise we get what we pay for. Residents have been at the trough for so long that they don't ever realize they are full. Mostly they are full of it.

Do some math. There are about 135,000 resident hunters just them paying annually $50 more would balance the budget and leave enough left over to fund a bunch more access.

The only one crying about anyting is you but I doubt you are bright enough to realize that due the welfare case you are. $50 a year is $4.17 a month. One pack of generic cigarettes less for each resident and we can fund everything we need funded.

Nemont
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-24-12 AT 06:24PM (MST)[p]Where did I ##### about the price of tags going up?If you wernt such a troll you would read the whole thread,including the articles linked to the original post.Did you notice the wages the admins of the F&G are taking home?

"And because of the increase in the mid-level management wages, FWP also increased the deputy director?s salary from $85,508 to $96,429 (12.8 percent); the top fish and wildlife administrator?s pay from $82,524 to $94,016 (13.9 percent); and the top parks? administrator?s salary from $77,578 to $91,449 (17.8 percent)."

"Maurier said the agency has some money for the raises set aside from previous years when FWP budgeted for them but they weren't given out. He added that they ?reshuffled? some federal matching funds and also saw a spike due to the sale of ammunition, and came up with another $860,000 to be used for the raises."

"reshuffled" federal funds that were supposed to be used for the funding of new WMA's,land stewardship projects,ect,this money is supposed to help the F&G buy land and fund land stewardship programs,not raise the wages of desk jockeys already bringing home $94 grand a year.They are short on GAME WARDENS,not bios and "middle managers",they didnt even mention them in their pay raise propaganda,they cant hire wardens to save their lives,THIS should be their concern,these are the guys out there enforcing the laws.They couldnt get a raise through the legislature so they "reshuffled" funds meant for other projects to get what they wanted.THEN they release a memo bitchin about how they are running out of money for these same projects....if you can wrap your feeble mind around that scenario maybe you can stop throwing insults around long enough to realize what they are up to.It has nothing to do with paying more for my tags,they can double the price tomorrow wouldnt stop myself or anyone I hunt with from buying anything,but when the people running the F&G decide to take money that is supposed to fund projects designed to promote and preserve the hunting heritage to give themselves a raise they couldnt get through the same legal channels every other state employee has to rely on I have a serious problem with it.If you dont give a ##### about the future of our hunting here in MT just keep your blinders on and let them run it into the ground,we will be sitting in the same situation UT is within 10 years.
 
You are absolutely full of it. I have no blinders on but I do understand that we resident hunters are living on the welfare of NR hunters and guys like you who think they are paying their fair share are to stupid to get it.

It has nothing to do with even paying hire salaries or anything else we are a bunch of cheap whiners. You are the poster child for that.

Nemont
 
Buzz at least he got the spelling right. LOL

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LAST EDITED ON Jan-25-12 AT 03:00PM (MST)[p]Cmon Nemont pull out that big fat checkbook of yours and write the F&G a check making up for all us sniviling MT natives that arnt paying enough for our tags.Ill spend more money on ice fishing lures over the next couple months than I will on my MT tags all year long,maybe you can come up with a tax on that to help foot the bill?Your to full of yourself to realize where we are headed with todays F&G agendas,probably dont give a ##### anyways,just one more thing for you to argue about.
 
Nemont, Thank you for your insightfull posts you are absolutly right in what you say. The nonresident is paying way to much in all the states to hunt. We have stopped going to Idaho for that very reason as have many nonresidents. It's just a nmatter of time the samething will happen to Montana. It's just a lack of understanding by some folks on here that nonresidents are the reason resident hunters pay so little to hunt. When states price out the nonresident they will surely go after the resident to make up the difference.



Government doesn't fix anything and has spent trillions proving it!!!
Let's face it...After Monday and Tuesday, even the calender says WTF!
 
The non-residents have not been "priced out" in MT. It's a super value.

Pretty sad when MT hunters complain when the thought of their elk license might surpass that of a case of Bud.
 
The NR Big Game Combo for me is a bargain. But I spend three months out there. Most guys do the 9 day trip. Easy to get a batch of bad weather. Wet, wind, cold. Not a bargain for these guys many are dropping out.

4 guys from town, apply for the combo every year, drawing about 2/3. Archery hunters only. Then apply for the Breaks. They have gone to the NF couple times when they missed the Breaks draw. Last year got their refund when they didn't draw. It's Breaks hunt or nothing for them now. They must figure the poor hunting outside the Breaks [for elk] isn't a bargain.
Bet these 4 guys aren't the only ones.
 
Here is how stupid the original post is.

http://billingsgazette.com/lifestyl...cle_e9fa0afd-bc8a-532c-86ea-aabf415ec3ef.html

"She added that employees in seven positions received raises of more than $10,000, including a veterinarian, a park manager, some biologists, a pilot, a program manager and some information technologists, with some of those increases hitting 19 percent.

It is not just the top that got a raise. Nearly everyone got a raise. Only 50 of the 700 Employees got a raise because Montana could not compete with surrounding states.

My checkbook is ready once your whiny self puts their money where their mouth is. I highly doubt that will come to pass because you want to live on the welfare of NR hunters while vilifying them.

Nemont
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-26-12 AT 03:23PM (MST)[p]NR don't need any additional tags, resident hunters need to pay their fair share is all that needs to happen. NR hunters now have 100% draw odds due to I161 so everyone is on equal footing, well now except for former residents how will get a very reduced tag price.

I don't care if they jack the price of NR tags up there is not enough revenue there to fix the problems. Resident hunters could be part of the solution but most are too selfish and to brainwashed to see that we are on welfare and by getting off of the NR welfare we could have some real impacts on the quality of hunting in this state. Instead we have people like the orginal poster who brag about spending more on lures than licenses and thinks NR hunters are the problem. Now multiply that attitude times a few thousand and figure out the geniuses we are dealing with.

To manage our game herds takes money and we residents need to start realizing that we need to chip in a few bucks more a month to make that happen. I doubt the idiot faction of resident hunters will be willing give up a case or two of KeyStone light to make it happen but that doesn't make it any less true.

Nemont
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-26-12 AT 04:15PM (MST)[p]Nemont when you get old enough to buy a case of Keystone maybe you will have enough experience with MTs F&G to realize that even if they double the prices residents pay for tags that amount of money isnt going to change a damn thing with the way we are headed.One of the most benefical uses for those funds is the BM program,the block managment program is tanking,all the money in the world isnt going to help it when the F&G trys to micro manage every ranch in the program to the point where the land owners get fed up and get out of the program,its happening at an alarming rate and I dont see the trend turning around with the current F&G managment.Where are they going to spend all that extra money?How are they going to improve your hunting experience with money nobody wants?No amount of extra money is going to fix the real problem,the upper managment of our F&G is doing a real good job of setting us up for failure with their bright ideas.You seem to have all the answers,tell us where to spend that money to turn things around.
 
I am old enough to enjoy the good stuff. You need to get the tires off your trailers roof as they are starting emit fumes that make you stupid.

Block Management is "tank" because there is not enough money to properly fund it.

Landowners around here are fed up with hunters that litter, drive where they aren't supposed, leave fence open etc, etc. They are not as fed up with the FWP as they are hunter behavior. Of the three large properties that left Block Management here all chose to lease to a group of NR hunters or to Outfitters, everyone of them said the same thing, tired of dealing with hunters that don't follow the rules. Maybe it is attitudes like yours that rub landowners wrong. I know I can still get access.

I never said I had all the answers I said you whine like a little girl at the mere suggestion that NR are tapped out and it is time for residents to put their money where there mouth is. I doubt you are capable of understanding that given your attitude and behavior on sites like this.

Nemont
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-27-12 AT 09:18AM (MST)[p]
I'm not up to date on how the BM program is funded..But IIRC they dont allow donations to the program when you apply for a tag (I'm a NR).

Thats kinda shooting themselves in the foot if its still that way. For example,I'm a big fan of Wyoming's access yes program and hunt on those lands nearly every year, and donate 25$ per app towards it (at least 3 apps per year)..Not a huge amount, but I know lots of guys that do the same, or more.

Does MT have a donation option on apps now? If not, why the hell not?
 
Nemont,they have more money in the coffer to fund BM than they can hand out,they have a SURPLUS.Landowners are dropping out faster than they can replace them,they have had their run with the F&G trying to micromanage their places and are getting out,most of them with property that was ever worth hunting have turned to leasing to outfitters and private groups of hunters.You have proven one thing Nemont,your whole argument in this matter is coming straight out your ass.Your just trolling for another internet battle of witts and you have no idea whats going on.Argue with yourself,make your insults through PMs,Im done with this waste of time.
 
I've been following this and find it very ineresting. While I understand that NRs have a big hand in funding FWP, I also understand that we Montanans are going to end up paying more soon. I personally do not disagree with an increase in resident fees. BUT, today I purchased my deer and elk tag along with conservation and hunter access enhancement. (I need to apply for permits now as I will be out of state working for a time.) Grand total was 46 bucks, plus 16 bucks for permits. I did it, but it actually was a bit of a squeeze on the budget right now. (Hence my working out of state.) How can we accomodate folks that cannot afford an increase? What about youth hunters? Some youth live at home as they are young and get tags compliments of Mom and Dad, but some youth are just starting out in this world on their own. Maybe it's time to have a fee for everyone that uses public land. How about all the folks that claim they are wolf watchers? (or watchers of any wildlife) Back country skiers? Cross country skiers? Occasional campers? Changes are coming I bet. Big ones. mtmuley
 
Good point mtmuley..It would help if hunters didnt have to fund nearly 100% of game and non-game species.
 
>Nemont,they have more money in the
>coffer to fund BM than
>they can hand out,they have
>a SURPLUS.Landowners are dropping out
>faster than they can replace
>them,they have had their run
>with the F&G trying to
>micromanage their places and are
>getting out,most of them with
>property that was ever worth
>hunting have turned to leasing
>to outfitters and private groups
>of hunters.You have proven one
>thing Nemont,your whole argument in
>this matter is coming straight
>out your ass.Your just trolling
>for another internet battle of
>witts and you have no
>idea whats going on.Argue with
>yourself,make your insults through PMs,Im
>done with this waste of
>time.


Nonya,
Last winter you said all of the land owners were getting rid of outfitters in favor of block management. Now you say land owners are bailing out of block management because of micro-management from fwp?

Come on Nonya, do you even believe your own stories you make up in that little head of yours?

I think the title of the post is about you.
 
In my state a res. tag cost as much as a NR tag in MT. I think that NR sould pay more, but not be priced beyound the "average Joe". A resident in my state will have to wait about ten+++ years to draw an elk tag. So, a NR should have to wait twice as long as a resident to draw the tag and have to pay the price of admission.

I don't believe that the rich sould be the only ones that get to hunt every year. Unfortunatly, that seems to be what the future holds. Wildlife has become a commodity. Supply and Demand.
 
Non-resident big game combo $944, plane ticket to MT $500, rental car $450, gas $250, food $200 and somehow getting nonya/mtshetzhead to permanently go away - PRICELESS!!!

WP

"My only regret in life is setting my goals too low"
 
Montana is not too expensive in my opinion.

If you could draw a NR elk/deer+antelope+sheep+goat+moose all in the same year, the price would be about the same as a sheep tag in New Mexico!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
>I've been following this and find
>it very ineresting. While I
>understand that NRs have a
>big hand in funding FWP,
>I also understand that we
>Montanans are going to end
>up paying more soon. I
>personally do not disagree with
>an increase in resident fees.
>BUT, today I purchased my
>deer and elk tag along
>with conservation and hunter access
>enhancement. (I need to apply
>for permits now as I
>will be out of state
>working for a time.) Grand
>total was 46 bucks, plus
>16 bucks for permits. I
>did it, but it actually
>was a bit of a
>squeeze on the budget right
>now. (Hence my working out
>of state.) How can we
>accomodate folks that cannot afford
>an increase? What about youth
>hunters? Some youth live at
>home as they are young
>and get tags compliments of
>Mom and Dad, but some
>youth are just starting out
>in this world on their
>own. Maybe it's time to
>have a fee for everyone
>that uses public land. How
>about all the folks that
>claim they are wolf watchers?
>(or watchers of any wildlife)
>Back country skiers? Cross country
>skiers? Occasional campers? Changes are
>coming I bet. Big ones.
>mtmuley
Those people who cant afford to pay more dont exist in their world,nor would they give a ##### if they did acknowledge them.Im sure it would just break their hearts to price some low income resident hunters right out of the game.
 

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