Colockum Elk Camp

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Just wondering if anyone has seen or heard anything about the Yakima indian elk camp up by the game reserve in the colockum? My dad was on a call with another guy and the game department and the game department was saying that they have been up there since labor day weekend, at least 4 guys actively hunting, and one of the guys has 4 6 point bulls this year (that they know of). I dont know about the rest of you, but this really pisses me off. I dont have anything against indians or them doing these hunts, heck, my dad is a registered indian, but it seems a little on the weird side that people are up there chasing spikes with a bow and they are dropping mature bulls with rifles. Now i understand the point of these hunts, so that they can do what they have done for years past, but i thought that they hunted for meat, not antlers. The Biologist was asked if they are taking any cows, and they said no, all branched antlered bulls. There is also one other thing that doesnt make sense to me, and that is that they are suppose to be able to hunt where they have for generations, and that is totally fine by me, but weren't all the elk in the colockum transplanted there back around the 40's? so how would that be their "traditional hunting grounds"? it just doesnt make sense to me. Next week the game department is having a meeting with the Yakima indians to try and set some regulations or limits to it, and if you have any comments or concerns they are welcoming the public feedback and will voice these concerns to them at this meeting.
 
What happened to respecting wildlife and nature ??????? I am part indian and have never used or abused this in anyway. Just because it is legal dosn't me that it is right.
 
Why do you think the Any bull permits for all weapons combined got cut by more then 50% for that area. ( So the indians can shoot everything else )

The Colockum elk herd is down. Archery hunters can't even hunt cow elk in that area. The Indians are blasting everything that has antlers on it's head.

No one in Olympia has the Balls to say anything or try and work out a solution with the indians.

I will be up there soon to see if they are still around.
 
well hopefully they get somewhere next week when they talk next week, who knows, miracles can happen
 
Situations like this really are really upsetting to me as well and I am an enrolled tribal member here in Oregon. Seems every tribe in the Northwest has a handful of "problem children" that can't just respect nature and only take what they need. It is really sad because there are similar events happenening where I am from as well. There are a few tribal folks who know that the hunting regulations extend into a shady area. They know they may get busted, but then they also know that there is a severe lack of laws to govern what they are doing. Regretably the same few folks know this and always take advantage of this shady area each and every year. But I can guarantee you this, these same few folks probably don't live the prettiest life and I truly believe that they will someday get back what they dish out.


Wish I could ease the hate you're probably feeling but I can't. Only thing I can tell you is not to hate all us INJUNZ because we are all not the same.
 
If they're hunting off the "Rez", they should be following the same rules/laws that you and I do. Unless of course they're hunting with a handmade bow, arrows, and arrowheads. Scott/couesbitten
 
Although I absolutely don't agree or condone this type of behavior, I strongly believe it is more representative of the type of individuals they are than the laws that govern them. I've witnessed, seen, and heard plenty more game violations and poaching scenarios by non-Indians than Indians (by the way I'm not an Indian). I would simply say this is a great example and reminder on how we can help control and govern our own peers, friends, relatives, and acquaintances. If this group of ?so-called? hunters were punished and/or held accountable by their own peers or governing body this type of behavior would dwindle. It's scary to think what our hunting woods will be like in the next 20 years if we don't step up and help manage ?OUR? resources together.
 
This is not the first year for this. I have a friend who is a game agent. Last year they were monitoring one indian in a Dodge Dakota truck who killed 13 6X6 bulls in the Quilomene BEFORE general season started. After the season I saw a Dodge Dakota driving around to the back door of a taxidermist in Yakima. He had a huge bull and a pretty good buck in the back of his truck. I suspect that they are selling these heads to the taxidermist who may be mounting them and selling them on E-bay or something.
 
i really hope that they can get a handle on it soon, before its too late. you cant take that many mature bulls out of a herd and expect it to survive.
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-22-06 AT 00:06AM (MST)[p]I to am an enrolled member of a Tribe here in Oregon, and I have also know of some Tribal members from Wa and Or that have a little over-harvest problem. In my years of hunting, I have been on 'have to' hunts and have shot many cows calves, does etc. and let the bulls/bucks walk because I don't need them. Not all of us have the mentality that the few over hunters have. I just hate to see these types of stories posted. I appologize for his actions, just because he is Native. But just because one or two do this, doesn't make all of us one of 'them'. I seen and know of General season hunters who share tags, 'forget' to tag animals etc, that doesn't mean all of you do it.
 
motcha-

i completely agree with you. i know that there are a lot of good people who hunt the same way you do, its just a select few who seem to take it a little far. i can see taking maybe one buck or bull while taking some cows or does, but it seems a little weird to take 5+ mature bulls. and i do agree that there are people out there who share tags, forget to tag them, and other stuff, im not denying that, and im sorry if it comes across that natives are wrong, its the individuals, not the whole that upsets me.
 
The only way I see to cure a lot of the poaching problem of mature bucks and bulls is to get a handle on the antler industry. Antlers are big business for some. I believe it should be made illegal, across the nation, for anyone to sell/trade any antlers that are still attached to the skull or that have been obviously sawed off. Half of the problem would then be taken care of in my opinion. I think most poaching is done because people are seeking fame or fortune that they believe comes along with large antlers.
 
Friend of mine said he ran into a native up the colockum who had an elk that was just a monster. He said the horns were as all as the truck cab... That bothers me enough the the natives are even hunting the elk this time of the year with little or no restriction but he said that they SPOTLIGHTED this elk. What can we do?
 
Gather up all of your concerned hunting buddies and make a trip to their department of natural resources (and to their fish & wildlife committee if they have one) and voice your concerns. Or perhaps write a clear, concise, non racially sounding letter stating your concerns and get as many of your fellow hunters to sign it. Then send this letter to their department of natural resources (and to their fish & wildlife committe again if they have one). Might be helpful to send correspondence to tribal council as well and maybe pay them a visit if possible. Our regulations here are setup by a joint effort between our natural resource department and fish & wildlife committee. The recommendations of these two are then approved/disapproved by our tribal council. Sounds like these offenses are being committed off reservation in what is called "ceded area," if this is so then the tribe should be more than willing to work things out (it would seem). It would only be more beneficial to the tribe as they do not want bad public attention from what a few of their tribal members are doing. Otherwise it could mean the fate of any ceded area cultural rights the tribe has.

Hope this info helps, I too hate seeing this sort of distruction and I do my part in my area of the globe to try and put an end to it. As I will say again, hunters should lobby for a law against any selling/trading of antlers attached to the skull or that have been sawed off. The "antler black market" (as I will call it) is probably bigger than most think. The only reason that spectacular examples (trophy quality) of any big game species are taken illegaly or unethically is for the fame or fortune aspect of it. However, if one poaches a trophy the only fame they get out of it is the negative fame...that only leaves the fortune side of the equation....if that is taken away then most of the problems would be solved.
 
I sent a email to the Yakima nation wildlife department and this is a response I got.

my email:

I have heard a couple of reports about a elk hunting camp that is up in the Colockum area. There are three or four Yakima tribal members that are hunting and I heard that they have shot between 6 and 15 large trophy elk already this year. I also heard that they do not want to shoot any cow elk, just the trophy bulls.

Do you know or is there anyway for you to find out if these stories are true? I know the tribes have rights to hunt but if these stories are true it sounds a little overboard on the harvest of bulls. All the reports over the last couple of years say the Colockum elk herd is not doing well and bull permits for sport hunters has been cut by over 50% in the last couple of years.

There are a lot of stories about high tribal harvest of trophy bulls from the Colockum area in the last two years and I was just wondering what you can tell me about it.

Thank you
Craig


their response:

this is officer dj eli with the yakama nation fish & game enforecement. writing in regards to your report of elk hunting at colockum area. need more info. id of hunters. were there any wastage?
the yakama nation has off reservation hunting. open and unclaimed lands. by yakama enrolled members only. bulls and cows open for hunting august to end of year.
hunting for deer bucks and does and elk bulls/cows.
 
you just got told off they don't care what the tribe does.

On a separate note we need to figure out how to make these "Open and unclaimed lands" claimed some how like putting them under private ownership of a conservation society or anything that would limit the tribal slaughter.

Another idea is making no shooting zones that are seasonal IE no shooting unless during a state sanctioned hunting season. I don't know if that is allowed but anything that would open the general public's eyes about this would be a good thing.

I would think that the county council over there could make access difficult or shooting restrictions very very difficult for the tribes.

Where there's a will there's a way...
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-27-06 AT 04:50PM (MST)[p]Craig, sounds like you did get the brush off. If I were you i'd save any correspondence you sent/recieved in regards to the matter. Follow up on the information the fish & game officer requested and get some better identification of the people involved (names, vehicles etc.). Sometimes you just got to be persistent and try to get some backup on your part, as it does sound like there are more people than just you who are concerned. If that doesn't work than maybe you need to take it up a step and make sure the tribal council gets to hear the concerns. Maybe also put a letter of concern into the tribal newspaper addressing the situation/concerns. Just remember to keep everything as professional and non threatening as can be. Again the more help you can get on your side the better. For your needs, the chain of command to go by for their system is probably similar to the following (from the bottom up): natural resources department(4), fish & wildlife committee(3), tribal council(2), tribal membership(1).

What a shame, it only takes a couple bad apples to ruin it for the bunch. I sincerely hope that the tribe will be willing to cooperate and put an end to what is happening. I have learned that the actions I take part in reflect back onto those who were involved in my upbringing. As a minority, it is also very possible that ones actions will negatively or positively reflect onto all of the other people of their ethnicity. It's a shame these folks don't have any respect for the game they pursue, the tribe they are representing,their elders and mostly themselves.
 
I got another email from A Yakima big game biologist. I wrote him back with some examples of some post from here and some post from other people I have talked to. I will see if he replys again.

Craig,

All I have heard as well is stories, but so far no one has given us any names or other information (including the state Dept. of fish and Wildlife). At any rate if people are harvesting large bulls, that is legal by tribal regulations. Either sex deer and elk are legal from Sepember 1 through December 31 and male animals are legal year round. However,traditional hunters hunt to supply ceremonial and subsistance needs and would likely frown on a tribal member "tophy hunting". If people are hunting just for the heads, and wasting any of the edible meat,that is definitly illegal and can be reported at (509) 865-5121, extension 4563. Tribal police game wardens are presently checking the area out to see if violations are occurring. Thank you for your email and your interest in protecting the resource.

Sincerely,

XXXXXX
Yakama Nation Big Game Biologist
 
kudos to need2hunt and motcha for getting on here and offering solutions to these problems....in the past when there have been posts about native's killing big bulls, I wondered where the natives were to respond......as mentioned before, all races have their bad apples and we all know sterotyping is a no no
 
This is a load of xxxxx! Perhaps road closures would help considerably, Craig good job on taking the time to write them. Man this gets me mad.
 
The answer to this BS is to make the rules outside the reservation the same for all races. PERIOD. Don't start closing roads and making shooting restrictions. Make us all equal and knock this BS off.

JB







"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
--Benjamin Franklin 1759
 
they need too close the roads during the time period that the tribes are allowed to hunt for antlered animals make them hunt on the rez if they want to hunt for bulls or bucks. Open the roads for modern elk season but keep them closed for archery and muzzy season as the critters are more vulnerable. if they want to go hunt with to 10,000 modern hunters have at it there crap won't fly with all those eyes watching.

Closing the roads sucks but if its the only way to protect the herds it needs to be done. Make them walk or ride a horse or what ever.

Also crating firearm restrictions in the areas will allow the Kittatas county sheriff to fine or arrest people shooting in august, September, October with high power rifles.

The tribes will never stop hunting in the colockum as long as it is easy (IE good road access to all areas) so make the road access difficult and they will leave guaranteed. Why do you think they don't hunt the reservation lands?

IF you guys really want to stop this kind of slaughter get the Kittatas county council/WDFW involved and make some county ordinances about access to the areas where the poaching goes down.
 
These comments that are being made about the indians in these forums are exactly what you would expect, from your typical person who opens their mouth without being educated about our history.Coming from a local yakama family,and i think i can speak for any other indian,we would never support any kind of wrong doing done by a handfull of bad apples.there's a bad bunch of apples in every orchard if you now what i mean.As for keeping the indians out of the hills we have more right to be there then anyone does.Have you ever heard the word ceded ground,which means that there 12 million acres of ceded ground that was once,(what the white man calls owned land)indian territory.These hills are where the indians lived and where they hunted to feed their tribes.You folks,known as the white man have been guest to these hills and has had the privelage to be able to hunt these areas.The yakama's were drove off this land to make way for future growth of the american way.Hunting in these hills is a way of life that the indians in this valley have done forever and if you look into it,it is our legal right according to the rules set by your own Goverment.
 
i dont think that making the roads would put a hamper on the hunting pressure there, not to mention that going to any city council or the wdfw will do absolutely no good. its not a washington state law that says that they can hunt there, its federal. my dad was on the phone with the game department and the game department said that there is nothing they can do because it is a federal law that states they can be there, the only thing that can change is that the yakima nation will agree to either set limits or some kind of restrictions, but until then, there is no way that a state government can over-ride a federal law.
 
Ok, can anyone explain to me just exactly how this works? I have read and re-read every post on this subject. I do not understand ceded land in the least. I think I might but not sure.
How is it that because a person is from a certain bloodline they are somehow exempt from the law? It sounds like we have gone back to England where the nobles did whatever they wanted while everyone else paid for it. It is my understanding that Elk were a plains animal in their original habitat and were then planted into the mountains by state wildlife agencies. Is there any way someone can explain to me why state agencies can not regulate the harvest (slaughter) of these animals that were not a part of this so called heritage? And speaking of heritage, I would be willing to bet that these butchers are not utilizing half of these animals that they take. It seems to me that this kind of behavior would outright embarrass the other members of their tribe and maybe even give them reason to go to the council and try to police their own instead of making excuses for why it is ok for their people to do whatever they want.
Oh, and one other thing, the last time I checked you were allowed to vote so it is not my government, it is all of ours. I am tired of people differentiating between yours, mine, and ours just because it suits their purpose at the time.
 
oneeye

Your not helping your cause coming on here and talking all your angery bull$*&^. You are from the yakima nation so why don't you tell everyone what is going on up in the Colockum with tribal hunting. Is there a need to blast the hell out if the bulls at a pace that is boing the damage the herd. The white man sport hunting is regulated pretty close. Who keeps track of how many bulls the Yakima indians kill? Or does anyone care sense its off the reservation?
 
I'm a member of the Colville Confederated Tribes. It's sad to hear stories such as this. I've not witnessed these incidents, so don't want to make comments w/ out further info. First i would like to let everyone know that i respect your opinions on this matter, but sometimes it's difficult to read some of the replies. As a tribal member, I sometimes feel like that I'm being labeled. I enjoying hunting just as much as anyone else. I watch all the videos, hunt w/ gps and maps, and use all the accessories. I agree the Yakima Tribe should address the incidents at their meetings. Overharvesting by a member of their tribe for the purpose of Trohpy taking should not be allowed. regulations we have on our "rez" - archery - sept. 1 to oct. 13, rifle - oct. 14 to dec. 31. One cow or bull allowed per member. So if i was fortunate enough to fill by tag during archery then i would not be allowed to harvest any elk for the remainder of the season. We are also allowed to hunt in "ceded" land also (North Half). I usually don't hunt in that area due to not knowing the area. the members are required to wear orange during the regular state hunting season. maybe if the yakima tribe had such a regulation as ours it would solve alot of issues.
 
oneye-

You need to open up your other eye and look around you. Craig is right. You aren't helping your cause. Its the way these hunters are hunting that is making people angry. I along with the majority of people here, would have no problem with the tribe taking animals in a way that MANAGED the herds as long as the meat is used... What people are mad about is that the tribe members up the colockum, from all reports, are taking the animals that will hurt the herd's population (mature bulls).
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-29-06 AT 05:16PM (MST)[p]Most of us understand the Native Americans right to hunt and fish and support it. But, when you have certain individuals taking advantage of it to kill nothing but TROPHY BULLS, you must certainly understand where a lot of resentment comes in. If it were Natives hunting to provide meat for their families (as I do)then it would not be as hard to swallow. But these people are nothing but poachers hiding behind their enrollment cards. It is sad that the Yakamas seem to be unwilling to do anything about it. This does not help the image of the tribe or its members. I would also have to say that elk should be off the table since they were not here back then anyway. If they want to hunt without restrictions then let them hunt the way their ancestors did...without the white man's guns and trucks! Let them make their own bows and arrows!


Mike
 
Heck, somebody should just go get some video of this and then post it on one of the washington hiking websites. Or put it in the news. I think if there is enough of the public involved it would have to stop or the tribe that is doing all the killing would get a huge stain on them. DT
 
I think that it would be a good idea to report them, record them etc!! Instead of well I heard they are killing 500 up there all 450 B&C's!!! Who is the they said, or I seen, report them!!
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-29-06 AT 10:55PM (MST)[p]Go ahead and report them. Nothing will happen, but you can try. About 18 years ago my cousin and I witnessed 3 members of the Skokomish Tribe shoot 9 cow elk in a clear-cut. We called one of his co-workers that was running a skidder just up the road and had him block the logging road so they could not get out. We blocked the only other way out with our rig and called the Simpson sort yard who in turn called the Mason Co. cops. We held the tribal members until the cops and Game Dept. got there and took over. We got a call a week later from the Game Dept that all 3 of them were taken into custody and released to tribal authorities. They were released before the Game cops were out of sight and nothing became of it. This is just one of the 5 times that my cousin has turned in tribal poaching on non-tribal land and in each case it was dissmissed. It makes a guy think, why bother.
Eric
 
It was on land controlled by Simpson Timber Co. Probably leased from the Federal Govt. It should'nt matter where it was, only that it happened off of rez land.
Eric
 
i'll admit my typing sucks, but i got more things to worry about then trying to impress someone when it comes to my grammer.what everybody needs to understsnd is that we are trying to resolve these illegal hunts and you would be surprised to find out that the tribes are working close with fish and game.someone mentioned installing camera's,that would work great.that would finally end all the speculation going around,hell we'd probally be all suprised to find out that it's not just the indians up there doing wrong would we.people say it's time to change,yeah i agree.all these white folks need to start excepting the indians right and move on.these rights that the indians have are going to stay,so why don't everybody stop trying to find the bad in everything and just move on and work together.i would'nt say the tribe is the answer but there are plenty of us local indians who are to stop the crap thats going on in the hills and we surely dont promote anything these idiots are doing,white or dark skined.so lets stop with the stupid comments about indian rights that most of you dont know what your even talking about and move on to more important things,like stopping poaching before none of us can hunt anymore.
 
This is the same old story. Tribes don't manage or mismanage their own reservation lands at least in Washington, so members leave the reservation lands to hunt on ceded lands where the herds are managed by licensed hunters and have developed trophy bulls after years of management. The same thing has happened in the margaret unit on the westside of WA state and in the blues. Us licensed hunters get the scraps the tribal hunters don't shoot. The Colville and Yakima tribes could build herds that would rival any trophy unit in the west if they would only manage their reservation lands.

The naneum and quilomene (coluckum herd) units in 05 had 48 any bull archery permits for the public draw combined. In 06 the units were combined and the tags were cut to 9. This is due to tribal hunting.

I know it's the tribes right to shoot everything in the hills but should they?

Absolutely not! Manage and develop herds on the massive Yakima and Colville reservations and leave the elk on public lands to the licensed hunters who pay the bills.
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-30-06 AT 08:45PM (MST)[p]So basically, stay home and hunt?? I see there are some bad places, and good places, but what if they did start to become a Jicarilla, or White Apache Reservation?? ANd they started taking more off their Reservation........ would the feelings be settled??
 
Motcha,

You would still have the advantage of being able to hunt the res. You, as a US citizen could also participate in draws that us lowly pale faces participate in. Sound fair ???

JB

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
--Benjamin Franklin 1759
 
I see 2 ways of looking at the whole reservation, white man took our land issue. If you go back and look at world history, whena conquering nation comes through, the residents are typically exterminated. So if you are Native American, you can either be grateful for the land and priveleges that you have, that us whiteys dont have, or dont be. I dont remember the Mongonlion hordes giving the Chinese peasants any land and monthly checks. Let me end by saying that I dont have a racist bone in my body, and have tons of respect for Native Americans and their beliefs. I am sure that 99& of them are appalled at the behavior of these few wasteful individuals.
 
This is true, like I have said I am very greatful of my heritage and the way I was brought up. Well for one thing as well, I have met the guys who have a racist bone in their body just because of some of the 'bad apples'!! I have been called every name in the book, have to check all my tires for nails and spikes, make sure my gas tank is locked. I love the outdoors! I just hate the fact that most stereo types of hunters are based on what they hear, or what their buddy hears. Heck, I am only in my mid 20's, and am still trying to think like an elk. I can go on and on about the way I try and make a good name for hunters, but like said before, a dead horse can be turned over, but it still stinks the same............. because its dead!
 
Growing up I lived on so many reservations I lost count. As a member of the White Earth Band of Chippewa I guess I am like all of you, I didn't choose my parents. I didn't decide the amount of Native blood coursing my veins. Many of these hunting issues are tribal specific. Sovereignty is of course the biggest issue that allows this type of behaviour. Politics, tribal court systems, enforcement or lack thereof, and let me say on the record that on many of the reservations I lived, (my father was in law enforcement for the Bureau of Indian Affairs and was instrumental in at least trying to get a Fish & Game Code established on many reservations) the game wardens were always the biggest poachers simply because they had the most amount of gas money (tribal money) for getting around!

Whether it was Natives killing dozens of antelope in Pine Ridge, SD or running snow machines through elk herds in waist deep snow in the Big Horn Mountains of Montana I have seen enough to make me nauseous just reading this post. Yes, every reservation could use a Tom Watts of Jicarilla fame. Sooner rather than later.

Dean Parisian
Native American Advisors, Inc.
www.chippewapartners.com
 
this topic started out w/ just one native hunting camp overharvesting elk. now it's about All indians in general being accused for the acts of this one hunting camp. what's being done about the accused hunting camp? Is it just this one camp or is it all the indians in the hills? if this topic was wrote w/out the words Yakima Hunting Camp would this topic be heading in a different direction?
 
let me lay some things to rest.it's not a indian hunting camp and it's not all the indians that hunt these hills.the amount of bulls this indian is illegally killing has started with about six and after it's been passes down through the grapevine it's turned into 25 to 30.im not saying that it makes things better by no means and we are doing what we can to try to end this matter as quick as we can.all i can recommend is,if you do come across this indian that is making all of us look bad,think before you act.no amount of elk being killed is worth losing your life or spending the rest of your life in prison for something you did out of anger or hatrid you have against the indians.not all of us that belong to the yakama nation are close minded and if you do run into us in the hills we would have no problem talking to anybody.where not white man haters ,many of or longtime friends are white and are we enjoy meeting new people all the time.this whole situation has started out by one bad apple and he knows who he his,and we hope he reads these forums and thinks twice before he does get caught by someone who has had enough and not thinking things through.
 
I got a buddy that lives their, and family too, why I ask is because I was there for the Treaty Day tourney this year! But didn't get to catch the women's games.
 
UPDATE:

Well for what it's worth, I was standing outside a yardsale on Colockum road and started talking to a gal that lives up above the Elkhorn Ranch in the Colockum and we were talking about the tribal hunters. She had heard of the man who shot 6-7 LARGE bulls. She said that she thinks he is just selling the heads and thats how he just got a brand new truck...

She also said that they have been find multiple carcasses missing their head/cape...

Last week she said, a tribal hunter was arresed for shooting a 6-point bull off of the Elkhorn Ranch. She added that nothing will be done to him. I think its a reoccuring problem..

This girl was not even a hunter and was just telling me about the situation in her eyes. I will keep u guys updated if i hear more.
 
The best thing someone can do is get some video or pictures of what is going on and turn it into the MAJOR MEDIA on the WESTSIDE of the state. If they start running stories and showing pictures the public uproar will come and like the shooting of the big bulls in the feed station in the early 90's the tribe will come down on the individual doing it. If its too late this year than start planning for next year.

One other thing if the reservations were managed like they could be the Yakima's would have elk hunting to rival the best reservations in the SW, there are world class elk genetics up there, they just need to be managed for it.
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-02-06 AT 04:51PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Oct-02-06 AT 04:31?PM (MST)

Gee, I wonder if the individual(s) are selling the antlers? What a no brainer, these people are doing this for a reason. Don't get me wrong because shooting all the alleged 6+ point bulls is totally wrong, but who is doing the buying of these antlers? More than likely a lot of the antlers are being sold and the person/persons putting up the money for the antlers are just as guilty of poaching than the ones pulling the trigger!

It would be very beneficial to curing the problem if someone could find out who is purchasing all these alleged antlers. Find who is putting up the $$$dollars$$$ for the racks and they will probably squeal on who is doing the shooting. There'll be a more solid case in the end.
 

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