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we also found one cow, and one calf so fare. I dislike bowhunting!!
 
I've heard that two years ago from two ranchers in Southern Utah. They were complaining about bull elk that they found on their property (dead) with arrows stuck in em. What a dang shame that is, and the ranchers have to deal with getting rid of 800 lbs. of dead carcass.

Other side of the coin though, is that a friend of mine who's shot bulls with rifle, muzzleloader and bow firmly believes that a broadhead is the most effective elk killer of the three. Go figure......
 
I guess Im missing something? Whats the whole story? You have a large amount of private land and have found several elk that were killed but not recovered by "bowhunters"?? Were they poached? Shot with a bow? Rifle???

life IS good (and Im curious to know what this is about?)
 
yes we have a cattle ranch in Utah, every year we find dead elk from low-life bow hunters that trespass our land. (dressed in camo and can't hear a shot, 2-way radios) very hard to find them, next year I'll use a pack of dogs. I have found three elk that have spoiled, and one gut pile. I do like to see the elk and hope the heard continues to grow. what I see in the future is have a hunting ranch and selling off the cattle.
 
Im with you on trespassers....I HATE THEM!! Ive had too many hunts messed up by people who just dont seem to understand the NO TRESPASSING SIGNS!

I'll tell you what, you let me hunt your land, and I'll come down during the bow season and help keep the trespassers off... :) You could always try setting up trail cams where you think they are coming onto the property, and getting pics of these people, their vehicles, etc. and then reporting them to the local LEO's.

TUFF
 
Sounds like you not only may have trespassers, but tresspasseres that are poor shots. Is it possible some of these elk were shot with a bow on adjoining land where somone had permission to hunt and they took refuge in your place. Not making excuses, just wondering which laws are being broken, and wich ones are "blatant" violations.
I think in Mt if you wound an animal that goes on to land where you dont have authorization to tresspass, you are supposed to call the game warden, and he tries to contact landowner or give authorization himself to attempt a retreival. In all reality, I have archery hunted tips of triangle shaped private (and public) land that were surrounded py private land (that I dint have permission to access) on three sides, and the game I was hunting may only be on a ten yard wide piece of land (where I have permission to hunt) It is pretty obvious, it is unlikely if I shoot an animal with my bow that it wont die on the property I have permission to hunt, even with a perfectly placed shot.
It sounds like you have folks that MAY be tresspassing, and wounding elk on your land without an honest attempt to make a recovery. It also MAY be a possobility people are arrowing game on adjoining land and not making a decent effort to recover, when it goes on your property. Either, way, its a sad deal.
One thing I have found that works good is to allow ONE or TWO honest people to hunt your land annually, and in turn give them the authorization to "patrol" it and "watch over it" when youre not able to. The more eyes/ears, the better, and some guys wll spend alot of their own time watching over land that isnt thiers, just to protect an animal they may have a chance to harvest. just a thought.

life IS good
 
>yes we have a cattle ranch
>in Utah, every year we
>find dead elk from low-life
>bow hunters that trespass our
>land. (dressed in camo and
>can't hear a shot, 2-way
>radios) very hard to find
>them, next year I'll use
>a pack of dogs.
>I have found three elk
>that have spoiled, and one
>gut pile. I do like
>to see the elk and
>hope the heard continues to
>grow. what I see in
>the future is have a
>hunting ranch and selling off
>the cattle.



Please do not label all bow hunters as low life's. I will gaurantee there are more law breaking rifle hunters than there are bowhunters, but not all of them are low life's either. Just bad apples.

Lien2
 
I have shot several animals, both deer and elk, with a bow and have yet to lose one. If the shot is placed in the proper area a bow is extremely effective at bringing an animal down. I found a gut shot doe last year during a buck only rifle hunt on private land. The individual who shot the doe did so with a rifle and was obviously tresspassing. They were never caught. It is unfortunate and disgusting what impression a few individuals who hunt without ethics give the majority. I don't for a minute believe that the majority of rifle hunters would take part in the same behavior. Tresspassing and is illegal and wrong. However I believe your dislike of bowhunting is unfounded and you potentially need to look a little deeper.
 
I don't own a large ranch, but I own some property in a "special" place in this valley that tends to get hammered by tresspassing hunters quite a bit, so I feel your pain there. I have found several bucks with caped or capped and also some elk that didn't drop right on my road, so they were left to rot. It really chaps my rear.
But I don't understand your dislike of bowhunters. I guarantee more animals are wounded by idiot-moron rifle hunters who think if they can see it they can shoot it, without ever having practiced at long distance shooting. Much less shot their rifle any other time during the year other than a day or two before season. Hunting public land, I have found more than my share of gut-shot, shoulder-hacked, jaw-boned, ass-shot bulls and bucks from rifle hunters.
 
How early is the season? I'd guess that bull was killed before the season was open. There is no excuse for tresspasser, regardless.

I suspect that there is an unfortunate number of animals killed and not recovered during all seasons, regardless of weapon. To many marginal shots taken, too far out of the shooters' effective ranges, too few following up to ascertain if they hit or missed the animal, and too little effort to trail and find the animal when they know it was a hit...
 
Let me rephrase. I hold nothing against bow hunting just the dog-gone road hunters that shoot and if it doesn't drop they drive up the road to the next elk or deer. let me ask all bow hunters this question: do you need a 4 week deer season to get you deer? here in Utah if you don't draw a deer tag, you can buy a bow tag and hunt for four week, even if you have never shot a bow before. our deer heards are very poor, and these low-life hunters are working on the elk.
 
Good call mmwb, if this is Utah that bull was killed long before it was legal to hunt. Did you find an arrow in this bull or just others? Condemning one type of hunter is silly to say the least, poaching or killing thru trespassing goes across all weapon choices. The type of people who do these kind of things are NOT hunters but STUPID SOB's. Bows are used by poachers because they are quite, again these type of scum are NOT hunters and certainly NOT true bowhunters!!
 
>Let me rephrase. I hold nothing
>against bow hunting just the
>dog-gone road hunters that shoot
>and if it doesn't drop
>they drive up the road
>to the next elk or
>deer. let me ask all
>bow hunters this question: do
>you need a 4 week
>deer season to get you
>deer? here in Utah if
>you don't draw a deer
>tag, you can buy a
>bow tag and hunt for
>four week, even if you
>have never shot a bow
>before. our deer heards are
>very poor, and these low-life
>hunters are working on the
>elk.


Where I live we get a 4 MONTH bow season, not 4 weeks. To answer your question, no, a person probably doesn't NEED that much time. And most years I wouldn't NEED a 3 week rifle season either if I shot the first animal I saw.
There you go mentioning "bow hunters" and "low-life hunters" in the same post again. Go by a bow and enjoy the 4 week season like all the other "low life" hunters?!

Lien2
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-02-06 AT 12:33PM (MST)[p]We have a ranch in Central Utah and I can vouch for the problems associated with bowhunting trespassers. I have never caught or found one trespasser on the rifle or muzzleloader hunts. I have caught numerous bowhunters trespassing. Like 1886, I beleive that since they are camoed up and there is no noise associated with their weapon that they feel more sneaky and trespass. Nothing worse than not being able to hunt the bulls on your own ranch and having someone else trespass to hunt them. Well, one thing is worse; having finally drawn a tag only to have trespassers blowout the elk before your hunt.

I don't agree with puting it on bowhunters in general, but you guys have to understand that if you were only having problems with one type of hunter trespassing and they were wounding animals on your property then you too would probably hold a grudge. 1886 you arn't alone in your frustrations.

Also, that bull could easily have been shot during the early week of the archery hunt. Lots of bulls that size wern't rubbed when the season started.
 
My wife had a CMWU bull permit on a Central Utah ranch a few years back. Her hunt coincided with the rifle hunt for elk in the area. Five groups were caught trespassing WITH RIFLES on the land during her 3 day hunt. The area was well posted and it didn't seem to stop people. I think the key issue is trespassing, not the type of weapon used. It is a shame that a FEW hunters take part in trespassing. In my opinion harsher penalties are needed. But don't put it on the bow hunters only because you can't hear their shot and they wear camo. In my experience the majority of bow hunters do not trespass and are very ethical.
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-02-06 AT 01:24PM (MST)[p]>My wife had a CMWU bull
>permit on a Central Utah
>ranch a few years back.
> Her hunt coincided with
>the rifle hunt for elk
>in the area. Five groups
>were caught trespassing WITH RIFLES
>on the land during her
>3 day hunt. The
>area was well posted and
>it didn't seem to stop
>people.

Did you call the F&G??? I mean thats basically POACHING if they are hunting in a CWMU without a permit. If they got caught you would have gotten a free permit the next year.


Some of the most illegal behavior I've ever seen was from some bow hunters... tired of trying to stalk / get a shot, they piled into their toyota and proceeded to chase the deer down after hours with their truck while the "bowhunters" were in the back shooting as it drove along side the deer. This in a 120 acre alfalfa field. F&G were called but nothing happened.

True its not all bow hunters but there for damn sure are some bad apples among the masses.


-DallanC
 
Dallan, All of the trespassers were turned into the fish and game. I don't know how it ended up after that. My wife ended up shooting a bull so no tag was given for the next year. I agree that there are bad apples, but I take issue with pointing the finger mainly at bow hunters. That is ridiculous. The fact is that unfortunately we all have heard or seen sad sitiuations of unethical behavior. Harsher penalties, or enforcement of current penalties are needed. Not bashing on the majority who obey the laws.
 
It could be that it isn't a hunter at all, Some animals just die or it could be a PETA memeber, I know several years back they talked about shooting rancher and farmers livestock during the bow season to get the public opinion agsainst hunting and to vote on their side to do away with a archery season, so it could be another lowlife type and not a bowhunter, Could be some local kids just out killing because they are bored too. each one of those elk could of been hit by a car or even SHOT by Spotlighters(not in Utah) and Not lowlife bowhunters since no arrow or arrowhead was found. I second the camera's they will show who out there and whos not.
 
If a cpl of those trespassers were to get there legs broken by some other camo'd up trespassers it just might come to an end. Not that I would suggest such a thing but a tongue lashing from the land owner does nothing but put a smile on their faces.
 
"if you don't draw a deer tag, you can buy a bow tag and hunt for four week, even if you have never shot a bow before"

Sounds like the problem you have may not be bowhunters at all, but rifle hunters that are shooting bows in archery season, just a thought.

life IS good
 
I'm a bowhunter & yeah, that's kind of a cheap shot to generalize bowhunters like that.
I've been a caretaker on a ranch and had to fight off trespassers too.
I can remember jumpin on my old mare barebak at day break to run the dirtbags off, another time I grabbed a guy by the scruff of the neck and drug him into the house and waited for the sheriff.
Ain't a lot of fun.
Per capita, lotsa bad rifle slime out there too...
HH
 
1886,
Those dam pouching bow hunters aren't all bad. In the past two years the have left me with a one year old ATV (found it on my property and confiscated it. Left a note saying if he wanted it back to call me and I would make arrangements with the local Sheriff to get it back to him, funny he never called)and this year I got 3 new mountain bikes I found 1/4 mile inside my property hidden in the brush.

Your dead on about lots of poachers and trespassers in the bow hunting ranks. They put on camo and go where ever the dam well please. I'm sure not all are like this as I bowhunt myself and some of my hunters are great bowhunters, its just that the low life poachers have turned to bowhunting as its easier to not get caught.

I spend twice as much money on security during bow season here in CO as I do in rifle season.

Busted a couple this year and it makes me feel better. Just learn how to bugle and they come in on a string. Be sure to have your camera as they like thier pics taken lol. It's more fun than huntin elk.

Hang in there.
Elkfitter

http://www.RockyMountainHunting.com
 
Lien 2, you are using the same argument in reverse that you just finished telling 1886 not to use. Great logic.
 
maybe if it was like idaho and a 1 year mandatory hunting licence suspention for tresspassing that would help?
 

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