THE WALL???

It's not intended to keep the beaners out. it's to give dumbchits a warm fuzzy feeling.

just put up some no trespassing signs and save the money.





Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
the "WALL" is a state of mind, more than it is a physical barrier....I'm betting there are grins from ear to ear at the border patrol and ICE offices accross the country.

"As democracy is perfected, the office of the President represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be occupied by a downright fool and complete narcissistic moron."
- H.L. Mencken, the Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920
 
It seems to me a wall will make it more difficult for people to get across. The object, after all, isn't to stop 100% of the interlopers. If 80% are stopped, that is a big improvement. If 90% are stopped, that is magnificent. There is another aspect to this that should be remembered. There is a matter of perception. If people south of the border think it is easy to cross, they will try to cross. If, by contrast, they think it will be hard to cross . . . they will be deterred from the attempt.

I hear a lot of talk about a wall won't work. It can't work. They'll just do something to overcome the wall. I'm not so sure it will be that easy. We have tools these days that can be used to detect a point where an attempt to circumvent the wall takes place. Have you heard of drones? Couldn't drones be flown to monitor attempts to subvert the wall? There are other technologies available to monitor the wall and determine where an attempt at breaching the wall is underway.

Time will tell. The wall is going to be built, so in a not too distant future we'll have facts and not just conjectures by arm chair quarterbacks.
 
>The wall
>is going to be built,
>so in a not too
>distant future we'll have facts
>and not just conjectures by
>arm chair quarterbacks.


Who is going to pay for it?

Nemont
 
The American taxpayer will pay for it initially. Mexico will ultimately through many different avenues reimburse us for the cost. I know for you fake patriots that that isn't good enough because Trump said Mexico will pay for it so to you that means writing a check. Anything else is just a lie.
 
Here is the most likely scenario on how it will get done.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...3375f271c9c_story.html?utm_term=.e14018054525


But fake patriots won't see this as Mexico writing us a check to pay for the wall so it's all a lie.

I didn't vote for Trump but I'll say this, if he builds the wall and uses the border adjustment, I will vote for him in 4 years. It's funny watching libtards and fake patriots cry about healthcare as if Trump has been too busy golfing to get anything done. Trump has been on fire since taking office but fake patriots are already wondering why everything isn't fixed yet.

For Christ sake let's enjoy the shake up if nothing else. It's going to be beautiful watching sanctuary cities all of a sudden not give two shyts about illegals when their federal funding gets pulled.
 
....we're going to buy all the concrete from CEMEX....then stiff them.

"As democracy is perfected, the office of the President represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be occupied by a downright fool and complete narcissistic moron."
- H.L. Mencken, the Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920
 
>>The wall
>>is going to be built,
>>so in a not too
>>distant future we'll have facts
>>and not just conjectures by
>>arm chair quarterbacks.
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>Who is going to pay
>for it?
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>Nemont

It Doesn't Matter Who is gonna Pay for it!

We Will of Course!

And NeMont!

The Cost is Minimal compared to Numbers You Boast!












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At least you are honest unlike some on here.

Did you catch what ole Mitch said?

Highly doubtful Mitch is going let a border adjustment bill through the senate.

Nemont
 
Republicans have to work at being this stupid.

How many taxes don't get passed onto consumers? how many businesses could absorb a 20% tax even if they wanted to?

Is Trump really this dumb? or does he know you clowns are too stupid to do the math? probably both.


















Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
Anyone who is against building the wall to stop the illegal trespassing into the U.S. does not care about the safety of our people.
Many tons of drugs come over that border along with drug cartel people and other violent criminals. Already we are seeing Border patrol agents, other law enforcement officers taking big bribes to turn their heads. How long before that will include judges and politicians.
Mexico is so corrupt that the cartels owns many cops, judges and politicians that they will have a very hard time rooting out the corruption.
Violent criminal acts against American citizens by illegal immigrants are on the rise for the last few years and you are welcoming them here by opposing the wall being built.
As I said if you are against the wall, you are then supporting crime and corruption and you are no better then the criminals, and the cops, and judges that are willing to take bribes. enjoy the company you keep and I do not consider you being an American.

RELH
 
I Still wanna know why dudes Buddy had Guards that were not packing Guns to supposedly be patrolling the Border?

Total BS!

If They had Hired Me to Patrol & then Tell me I couldn't pack a Gun I would'of told them to Get F'ED!

Total Pansy Ass BS!

Oh HELL!

They didn't want any Minutemen/Ex-Military taking it in to their own hands!

Looked like it woulda been good long range Practice to me!

And dudie!

Please do SPLAIN it all with your BullSshiitt Excuses Please!











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Of course the 20% will be passed on to consumers. Would you pay another 20% to buy a new Ford pickup? The manufacturing here would benefit including all the produce. California and Texas can replace all Mexican produce tomorrow. My largest competitor fired all of their workers here and built a nice new furniture plant just south of the border 8 years ago. They went from $25 an hour to $25 a DAY. If their product goes up 20% guess who gets to make more furniture? That would be my American workers who make $30 an hour.
 
I never once said I opposed the wall or said we don't need secure borders. I said anyone dim witted enough to believe Mexico will pay for it is probsbly too stupid to be trusted to vote. Sure tariff can produce billions of but it is the American consumer who will pay those billions not Mexico.

Also if you are in the exporting business of any kind you are about to see what happens when other countries start doing the same to our products. It isn't a zero sum game.

build the wall just don't act like Trump is going to pay for it with tariffs, that money comes out of American consumers' pockets

Nemont
 
I agree, the wall was approved by congress years ago so go ahead and build it. just admit Trump is full of chit on who pays for it. so in reality all Trump has done is kick start an existing plan with no changes.


The US cannot replace Mexican produce. period. hell we don't have enough Mexican labor to maintain what we're producing already. we don't have the water . and we don't have the climate in the winter.

Mexico buys over 20 billion dollars of ag products a year from the US. Trump's already put phuking up or exports to China in overdrive so why not totally screw the American producer over.

Trump is going to sell everyone in the country out to give the unions what they want. I'm all for buying American but manufacturing is not the only source of employment that counts . how are americans going to afford $50 an hour union wage manufactured products for everything we buy? hell why stay at $50 ? raise it to $100 we have no competition. it's not going to work.














Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
I started my career with Del Monte foods and you can bet that we can produce all the produce we can use and ship some out as well. We never imported Mexican produce in large scale until 20 years ago and we were just fine. We can let people in here legally to work as in the old Bracero program so you can still get plenty of cheap labor.
 
Who pays for the tariff depends on the elasticity of demand of the products. In the short term Mexico will pay 100 % of the tariff on perishable goods like produce. Over the long term Mexico will be able to pass some of the cost on to American consumers. Not that a tariff is a good idea but is is wrong to assume that the American consumer will pay all of it even over the long term. .
 
If Mexico gets hit with a tax for goods imported into the U.S. They don't have a leg to stand on b!tching about it. They tax imports into their country. Just another unfair to the U.S. deal concerning NAFTA that I think was signed by Clinton.
RELH

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Import duty & taxes when importing into Mexico

Overview

Import duty and taxes are due when importing goods into Mexico whether by a private individual or a commercial entity. The valuation method is CIF (Cost, Insurance and Freight), which means that the import duty and taxes payable are calculated on the complete shipping value, which includes the cost of the imported goods, the cost of freight, and the cost of insurance. However, the duties of some products can be charged based on a unit of measure. In addition to duty, imports are also subject to sales tax, customs processing fee (DTA), and in some cases to excise.

Duty Rates

Duty rates in Mexico vary from 0% to 140.4%, with the average duty rate at 13.97%. Some products can be imported free of duty (e.g. laptops, and other electronic products).

Mexico operates a ?Simplified Regime? for postal and courier imports. A global tax of 16% on the CIF value applies to:
Imports by post where the FOB value, i.e. product value excluding shipping and insurance cost, is between US$300 and US$1000
Imports by courier where the FOB value is between US$50 and US$1000


Preferential duty rates

Mexico has signed free trade agreements with a number of countries. To be entitled to preferential tariff treatment, a good must meet the "originating" criteria as set out on the Rules of Origin of individual FTAs. A certificate of origin is required upon importation for preferential duty rates to apply.

NB: Imports by post or courier do not automatically benefit from preferential tariff treatment as they clear customs through a simplified process. For preferential tariff treatment to apply a customs broker has to be assigned, and the import has to be cleared throught the regular customs clearance process.

Sales Tax

VAT is levied on imports at a standard rate of 16% calculated on the sum of the CIF value, duty, DTA, and excise if applicable. Some products can be imported free of VAT.

Minimum thresholds

Imports by post with a FOB value up to US$300 are free from all duties and taxes.

Imports by courier with a FOB value up to US$50 are free from all duties and taxes.

Other taxes and custom fees
DTA or Customs Processing Fee is applied to all imports at a rate of 0.8% of the sum of the CIF value and duty.
Excise is applicable to alcohol and tobacco products at rates between 25% and 160% on the sum of the CIF value and duty.
 
Absolutely DW, there are many avenues by which we can put the hurt on Mexico financially. We don't even know the exact amount of money that gets sent out of country annually but it's estimated to be over a hundred Billion. A 10% penalty for sending money home would bring in billions by itself.
 
There are other ways to get money to mexico. get real. but more importantly if they can't send money home what if the strike? better hope the orangutan lets Mexican food in.


Where is the water going to come from to take over the Mexican imports? there is only so much irrigated sun belt. and even if it happens what will the prices do? let my area be the only place you can get hay and see what happens.


Millions of americans will feel the hurt if mexico does the same with our exports as Trump wants to do to theirs. 200 billion dollars is a lot of chit going south. but many of those hurt won't be union members so they can go phuk themselves.


Like I said build the wall and have your fun. just make no mistake americans will be paying for it. at least be that honest.






Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
The real question is where will Mexico sell its produce if we don't buy it? They need our market far more than we need theirs.
 
.....almost all the produce grown in mexico is grown by american companies....

"As democracy is perfected, the office of the President represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be occupied by a downright fool and complete narcissistic moron."
- H.L. Mencken, the Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920
 
>The real question is where will
>Mexico sell its produce if
>we don't buy it? They
>need our market far more
>than we need theirs.


THIS

If Trump sticks to his guns, Mexico will pay for the wall.
All of these doom and gloom scenarios being predicted are all far worse for Mexico.
 
My bet is that it is Mexican farmers with contracts to grow for american companies. It makes no difference. Who pays for the tariff depends on the elasticity of the demand for those products. Because mexico has very few other markets for their produce they will pay most of the tariff in the short term and likely in the long term.
Again I am no fan of tariffs and in true free trade there would be no tariffs at all. I just find it funny when there are claims that the american consumer will be paying for all of the tariff. Tells a lot about there knowledge of economics.
 
It's kind of like the abused wife who says "He beats me but he does bring home some groceries once in awhile."
 
If you don't think taxes get passed onto the consumer I have an idea. let's put a 30% tax on all US made goods and pay the debt off. sound good?

The Mexicans don't have chit as it is. if they cut off all exports to the US a few billionaires would feel the pinch but the Mexicans who don't have chit still wouldn't have chit.

We on the other hand would lose 200 billion in exports and our auto industry would shut down. in time we could produce the parts we import from MX here at 5 times the cost and nobody could afford a new car.

Problem solved.













Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
>My bet is that it is
>Mexican farmers with contracts to
>grow for american companies. It
>makes no difference. Who pays
>for the tariff depends on
>the elasticity of the demand
>for those products. Because mexico
>has very few other markets
>for their produce they will
>pay most of the tariff
>in the short term and
>likely in the long term.
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>Again I am no fan of
>tariffs and in true free
>trade there would be no
>tariffs at all. I just
>find it funny when there
>are claims that the american
>consumer will be paying for
>all of the tariff. Tells
>a lot about there knowledge
>of economics.


This sounds like the argument that a minimum wage of $15/hr won't raise the cost of your big Mac. WTF else will pay for it?


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Are you sure all of the products exported to us from Mexico have inelastic demand? Sure appears to be a small category that is perishable.

Nemont
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-28-17 AT 12:57PM (MST)[p]I am not going to argue that raising the minimum wage won't raise the cost of a big Mac, it will. This is where you are mistaken. The minimum wage increase would act like a tax on all fast food restaurants. In the short run both the restaurant owners and the consumers would pay the tax. The amount each payed would depend on the elasticity of supply and demand. In the long run nearly all the tax would be payed by consumers. My bet is it wouldn't take long.
A tariff is different than a tax. A tariff would be like only requiring MacDonald's to pay the new minimum wage. MacDonald would need to increase there price to maintain their profit margin. In doing so MacDonald's would quickly lose business to all the other fast food competitors that would not have to pay the higher wage. MacDonald's would have to lower price and live with a smaller margin or lose market share. Ether way MacDonald's pays the lions share of the increase in the wage.
 
I Don't Know about anybody else?

But I'm F'N Tired of all the Built in China/Mexico F'N TRASH!

I'd Pay a little More for a Better Quality Product!

Maybe Bring a Few Jobs back Home!

Problem is:

Alot of times there's not a Choice/Better Quality item made!

So We Buy The F'N JUNK!

And Lots of it!

What You Say NeMont?










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LAST EDITED ON Jan-28-17 AT 01:26PM (MST)[p] Tog. Never said that taxes do not get passed on. What I said is that the amount paid by consumers and the amount paid by suppliers depends on the elasticity of demand and supply. Again a tariff is tax that is applied to only one supplier so it is much harder to pass on.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-28-17 AT 01:24PM (MST)[p]Nemont, A detailed answer is likely something I could answer better twenty five years ago when I was fresh out of collage. My economics is a bit rusty.
I would argue that because our market is so big and that Mexico has few other options for those products other than oil that it would be difficult for them to pass on the cost to American Consumers. Would we pay more? Almost certainly. Would we pay close to the full amount of the tariff? Not likely and certainly not in the short run
 
Elk,

I try to buy American made when ever I can, unless it is Cuban cigars or Italian made shotguns. For many Americans it is simply the price point and they aren't much interested in paying more.


There are roughly 5 million American jobs dependent on our exports to Mexico should those Americans just be collateral damage so Trump can say "Mexico paid for the wall"?

Why does anyone believe a tariff will be limited to just produce? and to just Mexican goods. There is little evidence that igniting a trade war on one sector can be contained or is in our best interests.

We can pretend but why not just admit Trump's talk on Mexico paying for the wall was a campaign promise designed to get votes and it had no real life usefulness. We should agree to pay for instead of chancing a huge and costly trade war to appease Trump's ego.

Nemont
 
Well NeMont!

I Know there's some Excellent Products Built in other Countries & I Don't have a Problem with that!

The Items I Speak of will Cost you some $$$ though!

But What is there Built in Mexico or China that is worth even Wasting Money on?

I'm SICK of All the PISS POOR QUALITY/NO F'N QUALITY CONTROL BS!















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Well!

I'm Not Saying Not To have that Option if that's what You Really Want!

But JUDAS!

Just Think!

We Could Have Some Non Wal-Mart Pictures!:D











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I got on the Trump ideology train the day he announced he was running for office. I said then I didn't like the man or his style but I liked his ideology and hoped some other Republi-can't would step up so I could support someone more likable, no one did, image that.

Since then I've learned to like Trump as a person much more and I still like his ideology. I have come to appreciate his style as well. So far it's been working.

From day one, I never cared who paid for the wall. I helped pay for the last "falke wall" and you never heard me bitching about the fact that I was paying for it, I only bitched that it was a fake wall and I paid for an empty promise.

I won't mind paying for Trump's wall, if it works.

Will it work? Can wall work? The current fake wall with Mexico didn't, but other walls have. Like this one.

"In 28 years, from 1961 to November 9, 1989, some estimates claim that 5,000 East Germans reached West Berlin via the Wall. At least 138 people died trying to cross the border."

There is more to a wall than a bunch of concrete and barbed wire, stacked on top of each other. Will Trump pile up a few thousand miles of concrete and walk away from it?

You tell me, is Trump's wall is going to work? I'm wagering it will.

T that is a wager I might give some thought to making with you. No....I won't wager who pays for the wall, nor do I care. Ultimately I doubt Mexico will pay for much of it but maybe Trump is a better negotiator than either of us are presently giving him credit for. I think we are going to get to find out. I'm ready.

DC
 
Building the wall was enough to get my vote.
I DONT CARE IF WE DO PAY FOR IT,,,, BUILD THE DAMN THING!!!!
And arm the guards who will have to man it to make it effective.
Hell, I volunteer to be a guard on the wall if I have effective ammunition. Build the wall 1/2 mile inside our border and mine the next 1/4 mile then build a berm out the next 1/4 mile
Give us the tools to cover it with effective force and the ability to shoot anything coming over the berm!
The Mexican government declared war on us when they encouraged their people to cross the border at will. Published little books telling how and where to get through the border the easiest. Vincent Fox ring a bell?
I'm all about diplomacy but this liberal progressive government we have that has turned a blind eye to the border are a buch of #####'s!
PERIOD end of story!
 
Mark My Word on this:

If The Wall gets Built!

Just Watch Some Future PANTY-WASTE Democrat President Tear it Down!

JFP!!!









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> Mark My Word on
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>If The Wall gets Built!
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>President Tear it Down!
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well I heard Trump wants to add to the wall a few hundred more miles....?



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Your right BC, based on the attitude of the Demo-ists in 2017.

Time changes everything.

Who knows what a Demo-ist might do in twenty or thirty years.

Build it, put what belongs on the south side back on the south side, as gently and with as much humanity and grace as you can, then ask them politely to remain on their side until they have a legal right to come back.

If they cross the border again, without permission or come on a temporary visa and don't return as per the agreed date, the consequences are long term imprisonment, of the Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio room and board system.

We can use their labor rebuilding our over used and under funded national infrastructure.

Maybe some of our neighbors to the south would prefer working for Joe Arpaio than they would living in Mexico or Central America. That's okay with me, if that's what they want, because some are talented and hard working people and they would do a great job.

After five years of helping us rebuild America we'll ask them if they want to stay here and work for Joe or go home. If they want to go home, give them a bus ticket.

If they show up again, it's a ten year shift. It's entirely up to them, so long as we make it perfectly clear what the rules are and hold to them.

This doesn't need to be brain surgery or rocket science. Clearly, Trump is neither a brain surgeon nor a rocket scientist, but he's going to stop the majority of the human traffic across that southern border. I think we can hang a hat on that.

How long it will last..................... that's total speculation, at best.

DC
 
Well!

I'll Bet the Wetbacks!

Let's Call Them Drybacks in this Area!

(((I Don't wanna Offend anybody!)))

Will Get Tunnels started/Dug long before the Wall is Ever Finished!

I Said 40 Years Ago This BS needed to be Stopped!

But Obama Helped it all Escalate!











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:) They sure will dig some BC. And they will try other things that neither of us can even imagine, counter ban is a great motivator.

They dug tunnels in East German and Poland too. No many, over 28 years, escaped from the dark side.

How Trump and future administrations respond to the efforts made after the wall is built will determine it is anymore than another boondoggle.

Could be wrong but nobody thought the Russians could or would close off East Germany but they dang sure did.

I see a Judge just ruled against Trump's order to send back some folks with visa, from his list of "currently unwelcome countries".

This baby is about to be born, and it won't be some cute-pie wanting to play patty-cake with everybody but it's better now than after things get a lot worse.

We are fixing to see if this batch of feral cats can be put back in the cage. (no offense there BC) just an appropriate metaphor for the moment.

DC
 
Sanctuary cities don't care about illegals they take that money and don't have to account for it,we should turn the Country into a Santuary Country but that would not work because there would not be enough people to pay taxes. Schools get paid by attendance ,that must how sanctuary cities work.
 
Since we're dreaming......

Ground penetrating radar should be able to detect any tunneling. A couple bunker buster bombs should seal them off.

No need for a wall along the remote sections. Scatter M134 Miniguns set to fire on motion sensors. Within a week nobody will ever try it again. Cheap enough.

I wish Trump well, but I thought of him when I heard this song. :)

 
> Anyone check the mail?
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What are You Worried about money for anyway?

We've Got Plenty & if We Run Low We will Print more!

At Least that's How Obama done it!











"""WE WILL MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!"""
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Finally some honesty: Trump voters don't care if he lies to them, are willing to borrow more to spend on their pet projects and use Obama's fiscal policies to defend their spending.


What you should do is send a card to Trump and explain this so his feelers are not hurt by not making Mexico pay for the wall. Explain to him that you support him regardless of what he lies about and maybe we can move forward under the Tweeter in chief. Instead we are still debating the alternate facts of crowd size and whether he said something or not and that we should avoid taking him literally.

Nemont
 
>Finally some honesty: Trump voters don't
>care if he lies to
>them, are willing to borrow
>more to spend on their
>pet projects and use Obama's
>fiscal policies to defend their
>spending.
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>What you should do is send
>a card to Trump and
>explain this so his feelers
>are not hurt by not
>making Mexico pay for the
>wall. Explain to him
>that you support him
>regardless of what he lies
>about and maybe we can
>move forward under the Tweeter
>in chief. Instead we
>are still debating the alternate
>facts of crowd size and
>whether he said something or
>not and that we
>should avoid taking him literally.
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>Nemont
Quit watching the news
 
I did better than send him a card, I sent him cash. I think he knows we're good with it. If he screws up, I'll let him know.

DC
 
These are not my words, but from what i've seen and heard, they seem to have fair degree of accuracy to them.

"The elite left and their propagandists in the media are already in hysterics over President Trump?s first week in office, but for most Americans there are no surprises here.

The president is doing exactly what he has said he would do for the last two years on the campaign ? immediately get to work focusing on jobs, immigration and shrinking government. And guess what: He?s going to continue.

President Trump?s order to end Obama?s utterly irrational ban on the Keystone XL Pipeline could mean 20,000 jobs that were going to China could instead come here and provide Houston with 30 to 40 years of work. Completing Keystone, and the Dakota Access Pipeline, will make us less dependent on the Middle East for our energy and create jobs in our energy sector.

Expediting unending environmental reviews for important infrastructure projects will mean bridge and highway builders will be able to hire workers sooner and complete projects more quickly for less money. This is perfectly Trumpian and completely the opposite of business as usual in Washington."

It isn't difficult to identify the author. Like him, or not, what he has said here doesn't change what has happened this week and what we can expect to see in the near future.

DC
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-29-17 AT 01:47PM (MST)[p]DC

20,000 jobs that would go to China? And less dependent on ME oil? Surely you must know those are alternate facts.

Nemont
 
I get so tired of the fake patriots crying about Donald Trump lying about Mexico paying for the wall. First of all, you fakers haven't even given it a chance yet and second, you constantly ##### and moan about the national debt but seem to turn a blind eye to what illegal immigration costs taxpayers annually.

I'm certain after seeing Trumps first 9 days that there wasn't another candidate in the race that would have went head on with immigration as much as Trump has. If the combination of a wall and stronger enforcement of our current immigration laws result in stopping or severely limiting illegal immigration, then it is a win for our debt problems. So why all the hate?

Nobody knows the true number that illegals cost American taxpayers but it is estimated to be over a hundred billion annually. So if we spend 15 billion on a wall and rid the country of undesirables, I'm certain that we could recoup this money as a savings to taxpayers.

Think about it, billions are sent to Mexico every year in remittances alone. Now think about healthcare, schooling, welfare, housing of criminals, etc. and you undoubtedly have to see that there is a cost for illegal immigrants residing in our country. Fake patriots act like they care deeply for the debt that their grandchildren will have to pay but as soon as someone does something that may help the debt crisis they ##### and moan about it.

The simple fact that someone is FINALLY doing something about illegal immigration should be enough for fake patriots to support him but that would contradict being fake. The bottom line is WHO GIVES A FLYING ##### WHO PAYS FOR THE WALL, if it helps stop the bleeding then in the long run, the cost will be nullified anyway.

So go ahead fake patriots and continue your whining that Trump said Mexico will pay for the wall. Maybe they will and maybe they won't but regardless it is the polar opposite of the open borders plan the Democrats embrace. Either get on board with stopping illegal immigration or quit bitching about the debt because you're part of the problem when all you do is whine about stupid technicalities.
 
Most of that money sent to mexico is by beaners doing the jobs americans won't do. mostly at or near minimum wage. enough of this bullchit pretending we just gave it to them to send home.


Trump said he would build the wall and mexico would pay for it. it's obvious just like his Obamacare replacement he doesn't have phuking clue how he's going to do it.

He just tossing crap out to see what sticks. that is not doing something it's called fishing. I'll give him credit when he gets the job done, not for talking about it.

Who wants to bet Mexico pays for the wall? the wall will be built , all 1933 miles. and the Mexicans will pay 100% just like the orangutan promised. and I don't mean from import duties we pay I mean money from mexico. who wants action on that? step up and show your faith now.












Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
>
>Most of that money sent to
>mexico is by beaners doing
>the jobs americans won't do.
> mostly at or near
>minimum wage. enough
>of this bullchit pretending
>we just gave it to
>them to send home.
>
>
> Trump said he would build
>the wall and mexico would
>pay for it. it's obvious
>just like his Obamacare replacement
>he doesn't have phuking clue
>how he's going to do
>it.
>
>He just tossing crap out to
>see what sticks. that
>is not doing something it's
>called fishing. I'll give
>him credit when he gets
>the job done, not for
>talking about it.
>
>Who wants to bet Mexico pays
>for the wall? the
>wall will be built ,
>all 1933 miles. and the
>Mexicans will pay 100%
>just like the orangutan promised.
> and I don't mean
>from import duties we pay
>I mean money from mexico.
> who wants action
>on that? step up and
>show your faith now.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Stay Thirsty My Friends
China did and no body bitched in those days.
 
Trump might not be able to make Mexico pay for the wall, but I think he can make them wish they did.
 
Hey dudie!

Since All You wanna do is Place Bets since your Girl Lost!

I'll Bet A Good Chunk of Money the WALL is Being Tunneled/Perforated Long before it's Finished!

Any Wagers?










"""WE WILL MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!"""
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LAST EDITED ON Jan-29-17 AT 05:20PM (MST)[p]Ca,

Can you find anybody who has said that the wall shouldn't be built? or we shouldn't secure the border? I am as patriotic as any American but why are you so willing now to put your fake conservative values on display?

NOW you don't give a flying f#ck who pays for it, that sure is a rapid change from the your first posts on this issue.

How about being honest and hold the president to the same standard and just admit we will pay for it and move on?

Nemont
 
One Question I do Have?

After the Wall is Built!

How We gonna get 110% of them back on the other side of it?











"""WE WILL MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!"""
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Seems we all have a case of "?selective exposure". I do. Anyone else.


"Political scientists and campaign practitioners have been concerned for more than a half century about the ways in which people use media to get political information and then act on it. Two central issues are people?s psychological preferences and their ability to act on those preferences. Do people gravitate to information that supports their ideological preferences, and avoid information that challenges their beliefs? And if they do have such preferences, do the available news sources make it easy to get one-sided coverage? If the answers to both these questions are yes, the result will be what researchers have called ?selective exposure.?

The ominous implications of this phenomenon are obvious. In an effective democracy, it is important that people consider a range of arguments, including those that challenge their viewpoint. If people screen out information that disputes their beliefs, then the chances for true democratic debate will be stunted. Moreover, if people develop habits that continually reinforced their views and shun opposing views, they might become more rigid and perhaps extremist. That could lead to the kind polarization that would make deliberation and consensus impossible."



DC
 
Nemont, find a post anywhere where I guaranteed the wall would be paid for by Mexico. I only called you out on calling Trump a liar before he even took office. In fact, I didn't take your stupid bet because I guarantee that Mexico won't write us a check for it. Are you denying there are any avenues in which we could tip the balance in our favor which would offset the cost of the wall?

Now I'm a fake conservative because I'm for spending 15 billion on a wall and ramping up border security to save ourselves 100s of billions in the long run? Stop being a retard. I thought you were smart enough to know as a business owner that sometimes you have to spend money to save money.

You're just like the rest of the fake patriots on here who hope Trump fails just so you can say I told you so. I didn't vote for him but I certainly don't want another failure of a POTUS. I have supported his stance on immigration since day one and the only reason I didn't vote for him was because I figured he was all hat and no cattle. So far, I was wrong.

I love when fake patriots continue to claim that only Mexicans will do those farm jobs. Who did all those farm jobs back in the depression era before there were all the social programs making them too good to work in the fields? Take away all the free shyt and white folks will gladly pick oranges.

We don't even drug test for welfare benefits and most people on welfare are simply too lazy to work. Welfare was fine as a program to help people during the great depression but it has evolved into a safety net for lazy people. It has a place in society for people who are truly unable to work but as Togtard says about Obama's economy, if you can't find work right now, you don't want to work. Take away the free shyt and you instantly have American farm workers and we won't need the Mexicans.

So again, let's hear from the fake patriots how investing some money up front to secure our borders to save money in the long run makes me a fake conservative.
 
We either have Mexican workers or we import Mexican food. or both. enough bullchit that's just the way it is.


We don't have to debate this. the promise was clearly made before the election. you bought , but you won't bet on it.

Either he delivers a 1933 mile border wall and Jose pays for it or you're chumps. end of story.


Remember? this is just one of many times.









Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-29-17 AT 08:21PM (MST)[p]

Ca,

That is a different argument and if the President made it that way instead of an idiotic way perhaps he wouldn't have painted himself into another corner. Good thing he is in a Oval Office or his first 9 days would need a reset to unpainted the floor.

Show me where he said the border wall was an investment that we would build and realize a return on that investment. I can show exactly what he over and over. No nuance, no uncertainty, no equivocation.

Show me also where I said not to build the wall or to not secure the border, I said be honest and acknowledge that the American taxpayer will pay to build it and maintain it and everything else is window dressing to make it appear Trump hasn't pulled a fast one on dim wits to get their votes. You were bright enough not to vote for him so why not be honest that his mouth got him ahead of the facts, again.

Also have not said I wanted him to fail ever but I didn't want Obama to fail either or Bush or Clinton etc



Nemont
 
""Nobody knows the true number that illegals cost American taxpayers but it is estimated to be over a hundred billion annually. So if we spend 15 billion on a wall and rid the country of undesirables, I'm certain that we could recoup this money as a savings to taxpayers.""

I suspect this is true and here is an example why.

A very good friend of mine came here illegally with his relatives, mom and dad are dead, when he was a kid. He went to our schools, got an education, has his green card, is married to a US citizen and they have a child, and is working on getting his citizenship. He wants to be here and loves this country. The estimate is 700k people are like him.

Now, most of his relatives are all here illegal, still, and are not working on getting their citizenship. One couple who are unmarried have 4 kids and she is pregnant with a fifth. She is collecting welfare on all of them, which pisses my friend off to no end because.... baby daddy is a drug kingpin making 45k a month! The are abusing the system big time and I bet most other illegals do as well if they can. How many people is that? 20 million?

Cut off the welfare and there's your money. And I bet most, the kingpin obviously won't, will self deport, especially if you put some backbone into the e-verify system as well, throw these employers in jail.

my 2 cents
 
Define welfare and let's go from there. The entire discretionary budget for 2016 was $1.15 trillion which included defense spending.

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Now if you want to include other thing like Medicare and social security, well both are off limits from changes or cuts.

Nemont
 
Now we have the CEO of Starbucks promising 10,000 new jobs to immigrants,how do you do back ground checks on immigrants? why do people protest Trump for doing this?
 
>We either have Mexican workers or
>we import Mexican food.
>or both. enough bullchit
>that's just the way it
>is.
>
>
> We don't have to debate
>this. the promise was
>clearly made before the election.
> you bought , but
>you won't bet on
>it.
>
> Either he delivers a 1933
>mile border wall and Jose
>pays for it or you're
>chumps. end of story.
>
>
>
>Remember? this is just one
>of many times.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Stay Thirsty My Friends


Speakin of chumps....

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/105028
 
Nemont can you tell me how much of the military budget is foreign aide? I hear it gets lumped into that line item. Sounds like maddogs gonna cut some waste, hope he follows thru.
 
>Nemont can you tell me how
>much of the military budget
>is foreign aide? I hear
>it gets lumped into that
>line item. Sounds like maddogs
>gonna cut some waste, hope
>he follows thru.
We all know that Iran got some.
 
>Nemont can you tell me how
>much of the military budget
>is foreign aide? I hear
>it gets lumped into that
>line item. Sounds like maddogs
>gonna cut some waste, hope
>he follows thru.


Foreign aid through the state department is as follows

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None of that money flows through the Pentagon

usaid09xx-mil-aid-cartogram-23003.jpg


The Pentagon has a separate budget items for direct military aid to foreign countries of $8.1 Billion and there is emergency budget authority that spent about another $16.5 Billion in 2016. That is the unclassified part of the Pentagon budget. Who knows what is in their classified budget or the black budget of our spy agencies.

Nemont
 
Most of the other countries on that chart are buy offs on Israel's behalf. so they should be counted as Israel.

WTF do I have to gain by aid to Egypt? nothing . but Israel sure as chit does.


As much as I resent borrowing money to give to jews who have more money than americans it's peanuts in the big picture.
















Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
It is paid over 10 years starting in 2019. We increased their annual from $3.5 Billion to $3.9 Billion. Can't imagine Trump is going to redo that deal unless it is to give them more.

Is that the best use of your grand children's sweat and labor? Borrowing billions to transfer to Israel?

Nemont
 
> Is that the best use
>of your grand children's sweat
>and labor? Borrowing billions
>to transfer to Israel?
>
>Nemont

Show me again where I said that.
 
I never said you said anything. I am asking you, if you believe that is the best uses of your grand children's sweat and labor?

Nemont
 
Of course not, we shouldn't be funding any country. Most of it winds up in their leaders foreign bank accounts instead of its intended purpose anyway. Our government shouldn't be in the business of pickin winners and losers in any capacity.
 
>Of course not, we shouldn't be
>funding any country. Most of
>it winds up in their
>leaders foreign bank accounts instead
>of its intended purpose anyway.
>Our government shouldn't be in
>the business of pickin winners
>and losers in any capacity.
>


Amen
 
Maybe you can hire tem to tell you when the beaners go under, over or around the wall.












Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
Tell the meatheads to get his cabinet installed. Rome was not built in a day or a month.
 
Won't matter. Trump has too many scandals to deal with to worry about a wall or Obamacare.


















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