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Two Arrested on Drug Charges as Humboldt Drug Task Force Serves Search Warrants in Fortuna, Hydesville

https://lostcoastoutpost.com/2017/feb/7/two-arrested-drug-charges-humboldt-drug-task-force/

Two illegal Mexicans. Mexico is not sending their best, you know.
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Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) showed up and set off a wave panic among the illegals here. ICE claims they were there only to translate.

Drug Task Force Arrests Trigger Fears of Deportation

https://lostcoastoutpost.com/2017/feb/7/drug-task-force-arrests-trigger-fears-deportation/
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That prompted outrage from the local Latino group

Latino Group to Hold Press Conference Demanding Local Law Enforcement Not Cooperate With ICE

https://lostcoastoutpost.com/2017/feb/7/latino-group-hold-press-conference-demanding-count/
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Governor Brown has stated he's going to make the entire state of California a sanctuary State.

Who will win? Trump or Brown?
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-07-17 AT 07:55PM (MST)[p]I am a native Californian, born and raised here. If "Moonbeam" Jerry Brown and his bent wrist liberals in the state capital make CA. a sanctuary state. I hope Trump will shove a very sharp stick up their a$$ and hold out all federal funding.
There is a group of county sheriffs that have already stated they will not cooperate with Brown & company if they make this state a sanctuary for illegal criminal immigrants.

If federal funds are stopped, I do not expect Brown to hold out very long. To do so he would have to cut loose those millions of dollars he has hoarded for his bullet train to run the state. He would have to use that money or allow the counties to dry up and the voters will pull the rug out from them in a New York minute.

RELH
 
>LAST EDITED ON Feb-07-17
>AT 07:55?PM (MST)
>
>I am a native Californian, born
>and raised here. If "Moonbeam"
>Jerry Brown and his bent
>wrist liberals in the state
>capital make CA. a sanctuary
>state. I hope Trump will
>shove a very sharp stick
>up their a$$ and hold
>out all federal funding.
> There is a
>group of county sheriffs that
>have already stated they will
>not cooperate with Brown &
>company if they make this
>state a sanctuary for illegal
>criminal immigrants.
>
> If federal funds
>are stopped, I do not
>expect Brown to hold out
>very long. To do so
>he would have to cut
>loose those millions of dollars
>he has hoarded for his
>bullet train to run the
>state. He would have to
>use that money or allow
>the counties to dry up
>and the voters will pull
>the rug out from them
>in a New York minute.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> RELH
>
+1
 
I am all for it but I am wondering what you mean by "all" Federal spending?

Does "all" Federal Funds include two largest expenditures of federal funds in California, Social Security ($82.6 Billion) and Medicare ($69.2 Billion)? Military Payrolls ($10.3 Billion)? Veterans Benefits ($12.8 Billion) The $$44.5 billion in Defense Spending on Procurement that employs Californians?


The total FY 2015-2016 federal expenditures in California were $367.8 Billion all inclusive 77% went to individual California residents.

So are you saying all of these funds or not all of these funds should be cut off? Or are you talking the Federal funds that flow directly to the cities and the State?

Nemont
 
Why would pensions and medicare be penalized for something a bleeding heart liberal like Brown does. There is plenty of federal funding that goes to cities and the state that should be cut completely off if jack wagon Brown tries this sanctuary garbage.
 
Or have the new AG arrest those who don't enforce the Federal Immigration laws. That would send a message without hurting innocent people.
 
I just was curious about what the term "all" federal funds meant? I don't think the people receiving those payments and benefits should be affected.

How much of the $368 billion dollars that goes to California are you talking about then?

Nemont
 
I don't know how to make it any more simple than this. All federal funding going to the state and cities cut off. That does not affect pensions that were earned and it would not affect medicare. Now also any law enforcement agency that refused to follow the law should have all federal grant money stopped. Sorry but I don't think your figures are accurate NEMO but even if they are close it should not be hard to figure out.
 
You really are slow aren't you NEMO? Neither one of us will ever be able to get the accurate figures. Half of the idiots running the money end of government can't get it straight. Let me guess are you one of those idiots ? And it does't matter what the figures are I believe it is easy to figure out. Try to read and comprehend this. Cut the state and city federal funds.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-08-17 AT 04:23PM (MST)[p]Nemont, are you saying he can not do via executive action and the stroke of a pen?

RELH
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a) In furtherance of this policy, the Attorney General and the Secretary, in their discretion and to the extent consistent with law, shall ensure that jurisdictions that willfully refuse to comply with 8 U.S.C. 1373 (sanctuary jurisdictions) are not eligible to receive Federal grants, except as deemed necessary for law enforcement purposes by the Attorney General or the Secretary. The Secretary has the authority to designate, in his discretion and to the extent consistent with law, a jurisdiction as a sanctuary jurisdiction. The Attorney General shall take appropriate enforcement action against any entity that violates 8 U.S.C. 1373, or which has in effect a statute, policy, or practice that prevents or hinders the enforcement of Federal law.
 
NEMO are you saying all federal funding is controlled by California's House of Representatives delegations ?
 
Notags,

nope, but are you vaguely familiar with the horse trading inside of congress? are you saying that California, which has 54 representatives in the House, won't make sure their constituents don't get hurt? Or that the trade off will use up political capital that the House needs to implement all the other big things President Trump has promised. There are so political Oxygen in DC and when it get used up, then gridlock returns. That is just a fact. If sanctuary cities is bigger then the Repeal and Replacement of Obamacare, Comprehensive Tax


RELH,


I don't know if he can do this via an EO. The courts will decide that. What he could is enforce existing law as you point out. Wonder why he hasn't done that yet? It doesn't require anything other then telling the Justice department to enforce it. No EO needed.

Are you suggesting that the President controls the purse strings of the nation and congress does not? Are you sure every dollar going to sanctuary cities and states can be cut off without congressional input?

I don't think even President Trump believes that.

I have no issue what so ever with deporting, detaining, questioning, holding and charging illegal aliens. I just don't like giving any power to the executive because it will be used against you in the future.

Nemont
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-08-17 AT 04:55PM (MST)[p]>NeMont a pie chart might be
>helpful.


Doubtful, nothing fixes the stupid on this forum even charts.
 
>LAST EDITED ON Feb-08-17
>AT 04:55?PM (MST)
>
>>NeMont a pie chart might be
>>helpful.
>
>
>Doubtful, nothing fixes the stupid
>on this forum even charts.
>

move along
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-08-17 AT 10:46PM (MST)[p]Nemont stated:

I don't know if he can do this via an EO. The courts will decide that. What he could is enforce existing law as you point out. Wonder why he hasn't done that yet? It doesn't require anything other then telling the Justice department to enforce it. No EO needed.
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Nemont it sounds like you want him to jump into the fire without exploring other options. Good thing you are not our President making such brash decisions.
I would be willing to bet he is waiting to see if CA. law makers does or does not vote to become a sanctuary state before he takes action. I am also sure that negotiations are going on, or will be going on behind the scenes that we are not aware of and may never hear about if certain politicians cave in and did not do what they said they would to their constituents.
If Trump just withheld the money going to CA.'s sheriff's dept. That would be over 50 elected Sheriffs that will be advising the people in their county that they can not do their job due to lack of funds. Those sheriffs will not take the heat for our state politicians and jeopardize their own elected careers, except for San Francisco County.
Just about all jails in CA. are run by the county sheriff dept. and some of those sheriffs have already stated they will not obey a sanctuary bill if passed by the state. In fact the CA. Sheriff's Assoc. voted against a sanctuary state and opposed it at the state capital.

RELH
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-09-17 AT 09:06AM (MST)[p]

I am not the one saying on day one he will drain the swamp and defund sanctuary cities, your guy was. Shall we put a list of the day one promises that he will never keep?

Why should sheriff departments around the country be dependent on Washington DC for their funding? I thought that the Sheriff was the decider for all law enforcement in their county, now they are beholden to the federal treasury? Somebody should have explained that to a few people.

Nemont
 
Nemont during the last few years under Gov. Jerry Brown the funds provided to local law enforcement by the state has gotten less. Most departments need the federal funds that supplements the state funds in order to purchase patrol vehicles and other equipment.
Without those federal funds, most sheriffs will have to issue a memo to personnel doing away with all overtime and curtailing other expenses. Can you imagine being involved in a investigation that is leading to recovery of a citizen's stolen property, or a felony arrest and you have to stop your investigation because it is the end of shift and no overtime is allowed. I have seen that happen in the past due to budget restraints.
When that elected sheriff starts feeling the heat from the public over less patrol, crime rates going up, releasing more inmates from jail, you can bet he will pass that heat on to our state lawmakers by making public what is going on.
The sheriff is the number one law enforcement official in the county, but our liberal law makers in Sacramento control the purse strings.
RELH
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-09-17 AT 01:00PM (MST)[p]So federal borrowing and spending is just fine of it foes to local police and sheriff departments? If it goes to help a 5 year old kid who got covered by CHIPS/Medicaid that is bad?

Isn't there ever a time when local taxpayers should expect the level of police protection they are willing to pay for? what did those departments do prior to the Federal funding?

What do you think moonbeam will decide to do? Your fellow Californians who have poured into the Gallatin Valley now want Bozeman to declare it's self a sanctuary city. The disease spreads like Ebola.

Nemont
 
>LAST EDITED ON Feb-09-17
>AT 01:00?PM (MST)
>
>So federal borrowing and spending is
>just fine of it foes
>to local police and sheriff
>departments? If it
>goes to help a 5
>year old kid who got
>covered by CHIPS/Medicaid that is
>bad?
>
>Isn't there ever a time when
>local taxpayers should expect the
>level of police protection they
>are willing to pay for?
> what did those departments
>do prior to the Federal
>funding?
>
>What do you think moonbeam
>will decide to do?
>Your fellow Californians who have
>poured into the Gallatin Valley
>now want Bozeman to declare
>it's self a sanctuary city.
> The disease spreads like
>Ebola.
>
>Nemont
How can you help these people ?
 
Nemont that "disease" you talked about is FW as he fled CA. to move to Idaho and spread his liberal bent wrist beliefs.
They have already inflected Oregon, Washington, Colorado and Montana is next. The conservative voters in Northern CA. are trying as hard as we can to ship a bunch more out before this state goes bankrupt.

RELH
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-09-17 AT 05:06PM (MST)[p]>Nemont that "disease" you talked about
>is FW as he fled
>CA. to move to Idaho
>and spread his liberal bent
>wrist beliefs.
> They have
>already inflected Oregon, Washington, Colorado
>and Montana is next. The
>conservative voters in Northern CA.
>are trying as hard as
>we can to ship a
>bunch more out before this
>state goes bankrupt.
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>
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>RELH

I have met a couple of refugees form the People's Republic of Kali, who moved here and they are some great people. one of them is a retired Navy Captain who was born and raised in San Diego and he is more of a hard core hunter and fishermen then most of the locals.

The western part of Montana is awash in Liberal think from Washington, Oregon, Ca., the east Coast. They don't want live out here where the wheather varies from -32 to 110 above and the state bird is the Mosquito.

I see that Trump lost in Court again on the travel ban wonder what happens if the Supreme Court Deadlocks 4-4 on it?



Nemont
 
NeMont, it will probably end up in the courts, much like the travel ban. I can tell you that many Californians are ready to riot. It will get ugly and Trump better get the National Guard outfitted.

Obama showed that you can contain Ebola. Liberalism will prove much tougher.
 
Obviously if the supreme court Has a 4 to 4 vote it goes back to the 9th circuit verdict.
 
Nemont let's face it, the liberal Democrats are going to fight Trump all they can on this matter and many other things in the future. They know if Trumps succeeds in just a portion of his promises, they are out in the cold for many future elections.
Trump so far has put together a better team then most presidents before him, and I look for him to fight back all the way and will win most battles no matter how much the Dems try to block his policy and appointments. At lease Trump will be in the oval office doing his job instead of playing golf just about every week like the last President we had.

RELH
 
NEMO I will sure try to answer one of the questions you asked. Law enforcement agencies have not always had federal funding. Now try to remember I am talking local state agencies. As time has gone on, you can think back to the horse and sheriff days if you want, but populations have growin. So has crime on the types of crimes that are committed. The Feds have , over time, given grant money to law enforcement for things like drug task forces, community oriented policing in neighborhoods, the lists go on and on. So the simple answer to your one question is departments have not always had federal funding. But you may or may not know jails across the nation house federal prisoners for different lengths of time for different reasons. The Feds pay for this. I think that starts to at least answer the question.
 
I am unsure that paying jails to house Federal prisoners or detainees or whatever they are called is the same as these departments growing larger based on Federal Grant money. Can you name a federal program that just goes away and dies once the funding spigot turns on?

Would losing federal funds and expecting local taxpayers (State, County or Local) to pay for the policing they want be a terrible thing?

I think our local police department funds nearly a third of it's budget and about 4 full time positions from federal grants. The County Sheriff also gets vehicles, 1 deputy for the Summer and a couple of upgrades for body cameras and other new equipment from Federal Grants. All are great things but doesn't that then make these departments vulnerable to federal coercion for things perhaps the local community doesn't want?

One thing I struggle understanding is, doesn't a local police officer or a County Sheriff and Deputies have a duty to enforce all laws (local, state and Federal)? Why do some police chiefs/Sherriffs decide on this Sanctuary status is the best move? Or are they hamstrung by the politics of Sanctuary status in that the Prosecutors or County Attorneys won't bring these cases up?

Nemont
 
Well NEMO yes there is room for foul play believe me. In much larger departments than your are talking about many times up to ten or more officers salaries are paid for by the Feds for a certain amount of time. An example is ten officers are hired and their first three years are paid for by federal money. The next year the Feds pay half. After that e city pays the entire salary. There are also task force officers that are city officers that go to work for say the D E A. The F B I and A T F also take advantage of this program. An example is three officers from a city department go to the D E A and usually work a three to five year assignment. This is an example of the city stat and Feds working together in law enforcement. And yes dirty deals happen. Like money set to be used for drug interdiction being used else where. Sad to say but it happens a lot. Just like so many other federal programs I believe are Miss used. I guess the bottom line we are both trying to get at is the average tax paying citizen would suffer greatly if there is a battle between federal and state law enforcement agencies. Do I personally ever want to see federal funding cut off to any state. He.. no !!!! But I think I am a realist. It would not surprise me one bit to see it happen in this administration. Don't get me wrong I HATE Obama. I have serious doubts about Trump but I am giving him the benefit of the doubt until he proves me wrong. I hope like he.. he is successful but only time will tell.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-10-17 AT 03:38PM (MST)[p]Thanks, I didn't know that is how those grants were administered.

Could you explain why Police and Sheriffs go along with sanctuary status? I am still baffled on that one.


Nemont
 
>Notags,
>are
>you saying that California,
>which has 54 representatives in
>the House, won't make sure
>their constituents don't get hurt?

The jerks in Sacramento don't give a dam about their constituents. They care about their voting bloc and the federal funds with which to buy their votes. Period.

So in a way I agree that Sacramento will fight to protect the return of tax funds to California (aka "Federal funding"), but not for the purpose of protecting the tax PAYERS of California.


Darth Vader was a sap.
 
Well that baffles me also and I am in that business. All I can say is politics runs deep sometimes and politics can be very dirty. Like I have said in some other instances it is sad to see where our society has gone .
 
...it doesn't baffle me at all. All sanctuary cities are run by leftists...and usually the majority of the county is leftist. The mayor in those cities appoints the chief....and the voters of that county elect the sheriff....both the sheriff and the police chief like their jobs and want to keep them.


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Nemont I will try to explain the difference in policy between a city police dept. and it's Chief of Police and a county sheriff dept. and it's elected sheriff.

On this sanctuary state business in CA. the CA. Sheriffs Assoc. voiced their opposition to CA. becoming a sanctuary city. The CA. Police Chiefs Assoc. was in support of CA. becoming a sanctuary state. Two law enforcement agencies voicing the exact opposite of each other. Why is that?

Police chiefs are APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. If that council is strong liberal, so will the police chief be or he faces losing his cushy position as police chief. So he goes along with the agenda of the city council the vast majority of times.

A sheriff is elected by the voters in that county and normally reflects what the majority of the voters want. In one way he has more job security then a police chief unless he upsets 51% of the voters.

Our sheriffs are also more pro gun then the police chiefs and more of the sheriffs will have a concealed weapons program and grant a CCW to a citizen. Most of the large city police chiefs are anti gun and do not want citizens running around with concealed handguns because that is the policy of the anti gun liberal city council.

Just about every law enforcement agency do not get enough funds from their county or city to provide adequate protection to the citizens. Training a officer and supply his patrol unit and equipment is very expensive. It is getting even more expensive with the demands that all officers have body cameras, more training concerning excessive force and the list goes on.

Without that federal grant money, most departments will be operating on a shoe string budget and will curtail responding to a lot of complaint calls that do not involve a serious violation.

When the federal grant money is pulled, most citizens will become angry when their police dept. will not respond to routine calls that they responded to in the past. No more playing marriage counselor, legal advice, or taking a report of a petty crime where the suspect is unknown.

RELH
 
>Our sheriffs are also more pro
>gun then the police chiefs
>and more of the sheriffs
>will have a concealed weapons
>program and grant a CCW
>to a citizen.

Except Sheriff Gore in supposedly more conservative San Diego County that has so much military, former military and retired military. Somehow anti-CCW Gore got elected and continues to get re-elected.

"We gotta get out of this place
If it's the last thing we ever do
We gotta get out of this place
'cause girl, there's a better life for me and you"


Darth Vader was a sap.
 
The showdown may be coming soon.

Jerry Brown Asks Donald Trump For California Storm Disaster Declaration

A disaster declaration frees up federal funds to help pay for damage. Presidents usually respond positively to such requests, but Trump is an unconventional commander-in-chief. Last week, he called California ?out of control? ― though he didn't explained exactly what he meant. Trump also threatened to block federal funds if California goes ahead with plans to become a sanctuary state for immigrants.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/brown-trump-california-disaster_us_589ea87de4b094a129eb64f0
 
>The showdown may be coming soon.
>
>
>Jerry Brown Asks Donald Trump For
>California Storm Disaster Declaration
>
>A disaster declaration frees up federal
>funds to help pay for
>damage. Presidents usually respond positively
>to such requests, but Trump
>is an unconventional commander-in-chief. Last
>week, he called California ?out
>of control? ― though he
>didn't explained exactly what he
>meant. Trump also threatened to
>block federal funds if California
>goes ahead with plans to
>become a sanctuary state for
>immigrants.
>
>
>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/brown-trump-california-disaster_us_589ea87de4b094a129eb64f0
Brown wants more rain.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-11-17 AT 10:04AM (MST)[p]Regarding brown's request for Disaster Relief. I think California will see a "softer" side of Pres. Trump because I'm starting to think, based on his effort to make sure no one is harmed during the coming changes in the Health Care system, that he's not as vindictive as he would have us think, on the front end of the negotiations However, I think we'll also get to see him practice his self proclaimed "Deal Making Skills".

So how you betting gentlemen, will brown "deal" with the Pres. and create a win - win? Can brown win, if he doesn't negotiate with the Pres?

DC
 
I would like to see Trump refuse disaster aid to California, let the people see the right-wing for who there are , let the true colors come out
 
>I would like to see Trump
>refuse disaster aid to California,
> let the
>people see the right-wing for
>who there are ,
> let the true
>colors come out
Move here Pipe dope and deal with it.
 
Oroville water over the emergency spillway....has never happened before. I bet moonbeam is figuring out right now how to make up with the Donald....


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>I would like to see Trump
>refuse disaster aid to California,
> let the
>people see the right-wing for
>who there are ,
> let the true
>colors come out


That's an extremely contradictory statement. YOU want people to suffer so they can see politicians are meany heads?
 
"The loudest accuser is most always the biggest abuser."

Ever seen a bully get smacked then scream for help? It's pityful to watch.

Human nature, reliable and predictable.

DC
 
Manny would say you all deserve it due to turning away from the big guy upstairs.

I wonder if The President will make Moonbeam say Please?

Nemont
 
I doubt Please will be sufficient.

Remember NeM, Pres. Trump doens't need to like you, to do business with you, but he does require a negotiated conclusion. If it doesn't work for one, it isn't good for the other.

Now, regarding Leadership, these kinds of situations tell us a lot about people and who they really are, not who they who they want us to think they are.

Remember Chris Christy and the hurricane, loving up to President Obama to get aide? Christy was a big, bad rough and tumble Republican, independent and all kiss my ass until he needed Federal Aide.

We'll see how bad brown want's to support Calexit, now that he's in need of money from the other 49.

Republi-can'ts are not better at this than the Demo-ists, they all bow down to Washington D.C. then sh!t hits the fan. Like I've always said, "Governor brown, the biggest accusers are the biggest abusers" It's all "kiss my ass, right up until someone puts an eye out".

DC
 
Why should the safety of Californians be subject and dependent on deal making or a transaction? Is Trump the President of all Americans or just those who voted for him?

Are the weather and illegal immigration somehow linked? Is that really how we want our government to respond to emergencies?

So the next earthquake that happens we should hold that aid up until we extract the proper price? Wildfires when the Santa Anna winds blow?

Nemont
 
I guess because we have jackasses running the state and think they are above the Federal laws,f#ck the libs of California.
 
You can bet the politicians in Sacramento are sweating about the Oroville dam. If that dam fails, Sacramento will be under 15 feet of water or more.

RELH
 
>You can bet the politicians in
>Sacramento are sweating about the
>Oroville dam. If that dam
>fails, Sacramento will be under
>15 feet of water or
>more.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>RELH
yes and everything north! it would be devastation everywhere,That new arena in Sacramento would be under,oh well.
 
>You can bet the politicians in
>Sacramento are sweating about the
>Oroville dam. If that dam
>fails, Sacramento will be under
>15 feet of water or
>more.
>
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>
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>RELH



Gov. Jerry Brown Declares State of Emergency in Counties Across?California

POSTED 8:36 PM, JANUARY 23, 2017, BY FOX40 WEB DESK,

SACRAMENTO ? Gov. Jerry Brown has declared a state of emergency in several counties across California.
Brown issued two emergency proclamations in order to secure funding to help communities recover from winter storms that have caused flooding, mudslides, erosion, debris flow and damage to roads and highways. Damage is estimated to be in the tens of millions of dollars.
The emergency proclamations have been issued for the following counties: Alameda, Alpine, Butte, Calaveras, Contra Costa, El Dorado, Fresno, Humboldt, Inyo, Kern, Kings, Lake, Lassen, Los Angeles, Madera, Marin, Mendocino, Merced, Modoc, Monterey, Napa, Nevada, Orange, Placer, Plumas, Sacramento, San Benito, San Bernardino, San Diego, San Francisco, San Luis Obispo, San Mateo, Santa Barbara, Santa Clara, Santa Cruz, Shasta, Sierra, Siskiyou, Solano, Sonoma, Stanislaus, Sutter, Tehama, Trinity, Tulare, Tuolumne, Ventura, Yolo, Yuba and Del Norte.
The proclamations allow Caltrans to request immediate assistance through the Federal Highway Administration?s Emergency Relief Program and direct the Office of Emergency Services to provide assistance to local governments.
 
I laughed at the above statement that Gov. Brown declared a state of emergency FOR SEVERAL COUNTIES ACROSS CALIFORNIA.

Then they give a list of the counties, crap that is the entire state or darn close to it. Brown must want every dollar he can get from the feds.

RELH
 
>...after moonbeam called, Trump redrew the
>Wall map.....
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I will have to use my passport to leave.
 

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