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It's from Foreign Policy Magazine. and it's not an original thought lots of legal experts suspect the same thing. sorry you didn't see it on FAUX first.


If this were Hillary in the same boat Trump is both you and FAUX would be hyperventilating . even you can't deny that.




Care to comment on the article or are you happy just sticking with personal attacks?

















Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
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TOG the so called attacks are because you post NOTHING but BULL CHIT !!!!! What proof do you have Trump did anything wrong ?
 
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If Trump doesn't have to offer proof of Obama wire taps, why should anyone have to offer proof that there was nothing to the Russian discussions? When you operate in an alternate fact universe, Facts don't matter much any more.

It is a $hit show for sure but only encouraged on by the Tweeter in chief. It is an interesting time to be alive in America.

Nemont
 
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There is no proof. Why do you think Trump said Obama had his phones tapped and they found nothing? You think he hasn't been told that by his spooks? He wanted to force an investigation to get the Russian crapstorm over with.
 
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Glen,
Can the Executive branch require the Legislative branch to do anything? Seems like a weird way to end a "crapstorm", by making accusations that the previous President committed a felony. In the end there will be no smoking gun that points to Obama and Trump will again look like a jilted 15 year old girl.

Remember he has limited time to get his agenda moving and tying up congress is a sure fired way to slow thing down. By blowing the thing up the way he has does almost zero to get going on the hard work of governing.

Nemont
 
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Remember he has limited time to get his agenda moving and tying up congress is a sure fired way to slow thing down. By blowing the thing up the way he has does almost zero to get going on the hard work of governing.
____________________________________________________________

That is exactly what the Democrats are trying to do with their accusations in hopes to slow down Trump's agenda.

RELH
 
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>Remember he has limited time to
>get his agenda moving and
>tying up congress is a
>sure fired way to slow
>thing down. By blowing the
>thing up the way he
>has does almost zero to
>get going on the hard
>work of governing.
>____________________________________________________________
>
>That is exactly what the Democrats
>are trying to do with
>their accusations in hopes to
>slow down Trump's agenda.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> RELH

True and Trump is aiding them now in slowing things down. Seems like you are right, can't get out of his own way.
 
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Well, the Russia deal is getting tiresome even for CNN so the talk is now Trump's tweets. I agree that there will be no investigation unless the democrats push the issue then we will see Wikileaks or Trump showing proof that he was spied on. This is not slowing him down. He did the new refugee order and healthcare is out for debate. He needs to work on tax reform then the wall and he can take the rest of the time off. I don't remember Obama doing that much in his first 6 weeks.
 
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https://www.usnews.com/news/nationa...rump-is-absolutely-right-about-wiretap-claims


Could be nothing or could be something. Who knows? I don't doubt that Trump was wire tapped and it was ordered by the Attorney General. The public needs to see what the probable cause was to make such an order and even if Obama was in on it, plausible deniability will be the order of the day shielding him from any wrongdoing.

The American people will have to decipher what they believe to be true and untrue. My thought process with all of Obama's scandals has me leaning towards collusion between him, the Attorney General and any number of higher ups that could have gained politically. Obama certainly was smart enough however to keep his finger prints off of the gun.
 
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You do realize that Republicans are in the majority right? If Trump and the Republicans don't want to provide proof of what he claims is true, who exactly does that hurt? It sure isn't the minority party.

Let's bet that he doesn't get Healthcare through in a form that comes close to what he promised: everyone covered, lower costs for all and nobody loses anything. What say $500? We could have bet if he lied when he said it would happen on day one but we all know that wouldn't be fair. So let me win some money back off you.


Nemont
 
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>
>https://www.usnews.com/news/nationa...rump-is-absolutely-right-about-wiretap-claims
>
>
>Could be nothing or could be
>something. Who knows?
>I don't doubt that Trump
>was wire tapped and it
>was ordered by the Attorney
>General. The public needs
>to see what the probable
>cause was to make such
>an order and even if
>Obama was in on it,
>plausible deniability will be the
>order of the day shielding
>him from any wrongdoing.
>
>The American people will have to
>decipher what they believe to
>be true and untrue.
>My thought process with all
>of Obama's scandals has me
>leaning towards collusion between him,
>the Attorney General and any
>number of higher ups that
>could have gained politically.
>Obama certainly was smart enough
>however to keep his finger
>prints off of the gun.
>

So has the Trump White House moved to end the surveillance programs being run by the NSA? Have you bothered to read what Snowden and wikileaks have been saying? ALL American phones calls, emails, texts etc are intercepted and stored as meta data?

That has been going on since right after 9/11 and just now it is an issue because of Trump's problems with it? Where were you 16 years ago?

Why hasn't Trump rescinded this executive order by now? In addition what are the chances of him providing refutable proof that he was the target of this surveillance given that it happens to all all Americans according to Snowden?

You can't sit in the driver seat and complain about where you are being driven. If there is something illegal let's have it come out, offer up the proof to congress and let's start the heads rolling. If what he says is true it is a bigger scandal than almost anything that happened before including Watergate.

Such proof would shut up the naysayers, put Trump on a path to be a hero and show how corrupt and untrustworthy the opposition really is.

Probably would guarantee him not only a place in history but give Republicans a stick to beat the Democrats with for the forever. Seems weird that he would have some proof and not use some it to make his case.

Nemont
 
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Why does everyone think if Trump really was wire tapped that's a good thing? it only makes his situation worse . get in the game goobers.



Nobody wonders why Comey refused to answer questions from congress on the Russia connection last week ?


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/10/james-comey-trump-russia-links-investigation-senate


All these questions, all the proof Russia was involved with our election process and the republicans are blocking efforts to get the truth. yeah, nothing to see here that's for sure.







Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
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Nemont, are you that hard up for $500.00 that you are fishing for people to take your stupid bets? Find a post anywhere where I ever claimed that Trump would live up to his promise on healthcare. You can't so just stop it already.

Are you certain that Trump would sign the Republican bill into law?

I'm not exactly sure how this thread evolved into healthcare but did I not specifically state in my post that the public needs to be made aware of the probable cause if there was a wiretap ordered? I'm not defending Trump on this but rather pointing out that the scandalous nature of the Obama administration would make me tend to believe that something afoul is afoot.

If the Trump campaign colluded with Russia then let's see the proof. Here is Clapper on Meet The Press...

JAMES CLAPPER:

We did not include any evidence in our report, and I say, "our," that's N.S.A., F.B.I. and C.I.A., with my office, the Director of National Intelligence, that had anything, that had any reflection of collusion between members of the Trump campaign and the Russians. There was no evidence of that included in our report.

So, if there really is proof, then get it out to the public and get whatever necessary proceedings under way to deal with it. If this was all just smoke and mirrors, then let's move on so that we can tackle real issues.

Look, there's no doubt that Trump handles things differently than your average person but I think people were tired of the average person and wanted someone who could shake things up a bit. So yes Trump is pretty animated and has some pretty big promises to fulfill but it's not like Kasich was a bastion of professionalism either. Look it up!
 
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Why does everyone think if Trump
>really was wire tapped that's
>a good thing? it
>only makes his situation worse
>. get in the
>game goobers.
>
>
>
> Nobody wonders why Comey refused
>to answer questions from congress
>on the Russia connection last
>week ?
>
>
>https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/10/james-comey-trump-russia-links-investigation-senate
>
>
> All these questions, all
>the proof Russia was involved
>with our election process and
>the republicans are blocking efforts
>to get the truth.
>yeah, nothing to see
>here that's for sure.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Stay Thirsty My Friends


You do realize there's a way to fingerprint electronic entry as though it came from elsewhere?
 
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Ca.

My post on the health care bet was with Glen. My response to your post is this.

>>
>>https://www.usnews.com/news/nationa...rump-is-absolutely-right-about-wiretap-claims
>>
>>
>>Could be nothing or could be
>>something. Who knows?
>>I don't doubt that Trump
>>was wire tapped and it
>>was ordered by the Attorney
>>General. The public needs
>>to see what the probable
>>cause was to make such
>>an order and even if
>>Obama was in on it,
>>plausible deniability will be the
>>order of the day shielding
>>him from any wrongdoing.
>>
>>The American people will have to
>>decipher what they believe to
>>be true and untrue.
>>My thought process with all
>>of Obama's scandals has me
>>leaning towards collusion between him,
>>the Attorney General and any
>>number of higher ups that
>>could have gained politically.
>>Obama certainly was smart enough
>>however to keep his finger
>>prints off of the gun.
>>
>
>So has the Trump White House
>moved to end the surveillance
>programs being run by the
>NSA? Have you
>bothered to read what Snowden
>and wikileaks have been saying?
> ALL American phones calls,
>emails, texts etc are intercepted
>and stored as meta data?
>
>
>That has been going on since
>right after 9/11 and just
>now it is an issue
>because of Trump's problems with
>it? Where were
>you 16 years ago?
>
>Why hasn't Trump rescinded this executive
>order by now?
>In addition what are the
>chances of him providing refutable
>proof that he was the
>target of this surveillance given
>that it happens to all
>all Americans according to Snowden?
>
>
>You can't sit in the driver
>seat and complain about where
>you are being driven.
> If there is something
>illegal let's have it come
>out, offer up the proof
>to congress and let's start
>the heads rolling.
>If what he says is
>true it is a bigger
>scandal than almost anything that
>happened before including Watergate.
>
>Such proof would shut up the
>naysayers, put Trump on a
>path to be a hero
>and show how corrupt and
>untrustworthy the opposition really is.
>
>
>Probably would guarantee him not only
>a place in history but
>give Republicans a stick to
>beat the Democrats with for
>the forever. Seems weird
>that he would have some
>proof and not use some
>it to make his case.
>
>
>Nemont
 
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My apologies to you for being a ##### then Nemont. I thought you were trying to bet me on the healthcare fiasco. Just for the record, I have no confidence that the Trump administration or the Republican congress will do anything to fix healthcare. If I were Trump, I would have left that turd in Obama's pocket until people are ready to accept that there is no good plan.
 
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TOG tell me how Russia had ANY control over the election! Go ahead tell exactly how they did it and what th ey did! Thats all you can spout off about so tell me what proof you have of what. And hang him for what? God you really need to take it easy on the whiskey and peyote. It has rotted what ever brain you may have had.
 
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News flash loserTRUMP WON ! You and your hag girl friend Hilly are the losers ! Remember that wanker !
 
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Dude you are the idiot that is sitting in the corner of the classroom with a dunce cap on your head. By now you would think that you would be tired of that place of honor. Heck, maybe you like it there as that is the place you got your rotgut whiskey stashed!!!

RELH
 
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Take the personal attacks out of these threads and you wingnuts have nothing to say.

Show no fear comrades. you always have denial as a fall back.











Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
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So just how did Russia hack or meddle in the election, has anyone provided any credible evidence to that question? We don't even know the answer to that question let alone possible Trump involvement. With all the leaks going on, you would think by now someone would have leaked some sort of evidence.

Obama, Hillary and the entire left excoriated Trump before the election when he said he might not accept the outcome of the election. They were all pitching a fit and screaming like mashed cats.... how dare he question the authenticity of our election process! Does that sound like someone who's caught up in some huge plot to rig the election via the Russians?

Obama said before and after the election there's no way the Russians or anyone else could possibly affect our election process. If I remember right he said they had investigated it and didn't happen. Is he wrong?

Podesta's e-mails were sucked up through a phishing scheme where he voluntarily gave out his password. One thing is for sure the Hillary campaign rigged the primary against Sanders, they secretly fed debate questions to Hillary before the debate. They cheated and they got caught in their plot and they lost in spite of all their devious efforts.

Sounds like really sour grapes and a full blown witch hunt as a way to explain away that their iron clad victory was snatched away, and it looks to me like it's gonna blow up in their faces.
 
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I will bet you our own CIA did the Russian mess to disrupt Trump. Wikileaks said they have Russian codes they use to make it appear as if Russia is the bad guy. Why not? The CIA is full of people who lie for a living. They are not called SPOOKS for nothing.
 
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How do you know Wikileaks is infallible or that they are not engaged in misinformation to make Trump look like he can't plug up leaks?

Why would the CIA hack the DNC to make Hillary look bad in order to have a Russian connection to Trump? Does that connect any dots.

why would Paul Ryan state repeatedly that "We know Russia Meddled in the election"?

 
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Nemont do not tell me that you trust the CIA. Obama had 8 years to install some supporters into that agency. If James Clapper can lie to Congress about monitoring citizens, so can the head of the CIA be a little dirty himself or one of his bureau chiefs.

RELH
 
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So, let me get this right. everyone is lying EXCEPT a known pathological liar?

Okay old timer.













Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
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LAST EDITED ON Mar-08-17 AT 02:58PM (MST)[p]RELH,

You miss your daily dose of Ginkgo biloba this morning? Can you show me in where in my post I said I trusted anyone? I asked why Paul Ryan is on camera, more than once saying the "Know Russia meddled in the election"? If you can't understand questions any more then please refrain from participating in the discusson and join the pinochle game down at the senior center instead

So if Clapper is untrustworthy why is he being quoted all over as saying he saw no proof of collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign? He must be lying about that too? You can never trust a liar, he also said Trump is a liar as well about Obama tapping his wires.


Nemont
 
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Did you actually read the entire article? you may wish to review it and tell us where it says A. Obama ordered it and B. Where they tapped Trump Towers.


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The FBI investigated a Trump server in its Russia probe, but no charges are expected

by John Solomon and Sara Carter


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March 8, 2017



WATCH | Intelligence sources say that the FBI investigated a computer tied Donald Trump's business but there's no evidence to date that would warrant criminal charges against any of the president's associates.



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The months-long FBI counterintelligence investigation into Russian efforts to influence the 2016 presidential campaign briefly investigated a computer server tied to Donald Trump's businesses near the end of the election but has not gathered evidence of election tampering to date that would warrant criminal charges against any of the president's associates, Circa has learned.


Related:Senators: We want info on Trump wiretapping



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Widespread frustration

U.S. officials, who spoke only on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the information, said there is widespread frustration among intelligence professionals who have watched in horror as a normally secretive process has been distorted by media leaks and politicians uneducated about how counterintelligence operations actually work.



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"I've never seen a case so misrepresented and leaks so damaging to a process that was meant to be conducted in secret."

?U.S. official



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?We have people spouting off who don't know the difference between FISA surveillance and a wiretap or a counterintelligence probe versus a special prosecutor, and it has hurts our ability to get to the truth and has wrongly created the impression that intelligence officials have a political agenda,? said one source directly familiar with the drama.



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Here are the most notable US-Russia controversies


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It's about Russia more than Trump

Many of the leaks have surfaced since former President Barack Obama in his waning days in office had his intelligence leadership brief a wider than normal audience about the sensitive Russia surveillance. Those leaks have created a false narrative that the FBI has been predominantly focused on Trump ties to Russia, officials said.



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In fact, any FBI activity involving the president's associates or advisers was mostly ancillary to a wider counterintelligence probe into Russian efforts to influence the election or curry favor with U.S. figures, the sources said.


?The (Trump-Russia) narrative in the media hasn't been our primary focus and mostly involves pieces of information that came in incidentally. We check them out and we move on,? one official said, adding most of the work has involved old-fashioned investigative tactics and not surveillance.



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Added another official: ?I've never seen a case so misrepresented and leaks so damaging to a process that was meant to be conducted in secret so that foreign powers don't know what we know and people?s reputations aren't tarnished unfairly.?

Several sources with direct knowledge say the FBI?s interest in investigating possible Moscow efforts to influence the 2016 election was born out of its long expertise on Russian players gathered back from the 2001 Robert Hansen espionage affair and the 2010 Anna Chapman spy ring scandal.



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Russian activity raised suspicions

Other intelligence agencies also were gathering similar evidence highlighting Russian activity like computer hacking and propaganda.

The bureau, along with other intelligence agencies, had early signs of political-motivated hacking by Russia and uncorroborated information from among others a former British intelligence officer about possible contacts between Russian intelligence and people close to Trump.






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?There were indicators of Russian activity and uncorroborated allegations of Trump associates having contact with key figures and we needed to know if they were connected or not,? one source described. ?We?d be remiss if we did not answer that question for the national security community.?

Related:Obama officials denies claims of surveillance



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Probe starts into Russian connections with US citizens

Officials decided the best course of action was to pursue a classic counterintelligence investigation focused on what the Russians were actually doing and whether anyone in the United States, including on the Trump team, might be encouraging or facilitating those actions or financially benefitting from them.



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One of the documents that agents tried to corroborate became known as the ?Trump dossier,? the work of a trusted ex-British intelligence agent hired by political operatives to find damaging evidence on Trump in Russia. Some of the information in the dossier was explicit and salacious and uncorroborated -- like an alleged interlude between Trump and a prostitute in Moscow a few years back and an alleged Russian bribe that could have spelled billions of dollars for Trump?s companies.






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Information could not be corroborated

Agents were able to corroborate some details in the dossier, mostly public source intelligence about meetings and decisions involving Russian figures. But much of the information about Trump and associates could not be corroborated. Some was disproven and other facts took on new connotations when additional investigation was concluded.



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FISA used in probe

For instance, the FBI and Justice Department received a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant in October to help further the Russia investigation. Officials stressed there were no intercepts of Trump?s phone or emails.

Separately, they used traditional investigative techniques to review a computer server tied to the the soon-to-be-president's businesses in Trump Towers in New York but located elsewhere.



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Agents were examining allegations of computer activity tied to Russia.. Very quickly, they concluded the computer activity in question involved no nefarious contacts, bank transactions or encrypted communications with the Russians, and likely involved routine computer signals.

The towers are home to Trump?s business, personal residence and then-campaign headquarters.






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The Flynn connection

The officials also strongly disputed that the FBI?s intercepts of conversations in December between soon-to-to-be U.S. National Security Adviser Michael Flynn and Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak were part of a continuing Trump-focused national security investigation. In fact, they were part of a long-established special intelligence program in which the FBI is routinely permitted to review intercepts of Russian embassy officials.

Americans are often incidentally intercepted, and the FBI has authority to review those conversations without a specific warrant when they involve national security matters. Flynn fell into that category in part because he had a security clearance, the sources said.

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Russia was hacking to try and influence the election

The information gathered during 2016 by the FBI, however, did further a robust portrait already being built by numerous intelligence agencies, like the National Security Agency, the Central Intelligence Agency and Directorate of National Intelligence, that Russia and its related actors had taken actions like hacking to influence the U.S. election with the apparent aim of hurting Hillary Clinton?s election chances or helping Trump


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Reaction to Trump's wiretap allegations

Trump?s own claim this week that the FBI wiretapped his phone further irritated senior officials. Director James Comey even took the step of asking Justice to knock down the claim. While the computer server was investigted, Trump?s phones and emails were never wiretapped, officials said.

Comey?s request was designed to combat any insinuation that the FBI was used by the Obama administration as a political-enemy intelligence gathering agency in the midst of the election.


But inside the intelligence community it also conveyed another powerful message: Comey has always insisted the bureau won't comment on ongoing probes. So his willingness to push out a comment was a sign the FBI doesn't see a criminal case emerging so far.


No where in this article is there anything to back up President Trump's claims of wire tapping Trump Towers.

Nemont
 
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Nemont if you believe that information gained in that wiretap was not forward to Obama by Lynch or someone else, you are as gullible as a fence post.
Maybe you need to take some smart pills after all. Telling me not to take part in this discussion is something you can stick where the sun does not shine once you get your head out of there.

RELH
 
RE: LOCK HIM UP !

Does the thought of proving ANYTHING ever even cross your mind?

It's your story tell as you wish.















Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
RE: LOCK HIM UP !

> Does the thought of proving
>ANYTHING ever even cross your
>mind?
>
> It's your story tell as
>you wish.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Stay Thirsty My Friends
Tog all of the info you get is a waste of time and posting.
 
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>Nemont if you believe that information
>gained in that wiretap was
>not forward to Obama by
>Lynch or someone else, you
>are as gullible as a
>fence post.
> Maybe you need
>to take some smart pills
>after all. Telling me not
>to take part in this
>discussion is something you can
>stick where the sun does
>not shine once you get
>your head out of there.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> RELH
>
>


What proof do you have that there was a wire tap of Trump Towers? I know it is hard to answer questions but you should try it some time. Can you find where I said I trust anyone? I Trust nobody in Washington first and foremost president Trump. There is zero proof that there is a direct line connection running back to Obama ordering wire taps.

Just like there doesn't appear to be one between Trump and Russia or we would have seen something.

I know you are never going to admit Trump ever did anything wrong by tweeting allegations about the former president that he cannot prove but it is going to take away from his political power and harm his agenda.

Given the pile of dung that is the healthcare bill he is going to need his political capital to shepherd that thing through. Watch and see what kind of political fallout he is going to get. His twitter account is going to get a work out soon.

Nemont
 
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Nemont when Trump called the President of Mexico, the next day the press was giving out details on that phone call that had been leaked to them from someone inside the intelligence arena.
If you had a lick of common sense, that will tell you that they have been bugging Trump all along. In the event you do not have a lick of common sense, we will forgive you for not knowing better.

RELH
 
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I asked for proof, not conjecture, not saying I don't have a "lick of common sense" or anything. Could Trump's phone call have been monitored some other way then a wire tap? Have you read the Snowden info on what the NSA collects? So I know you have no proof that would pass muster in a court of law or even in an investigation in the House of Representatives, all you have is hearsay, whining and an assumption of something nefarious. If that was your case and you brought it to the prosecutor, they would tell you to return to the doughnut shop and try again. Your standards sure have slipped since your law dog days.

If you weren't in the tank for Trump you would understand that he simply has no proof that Obama ordered his "wires tapped" and he is going to tie up a bunch of valuable time that he should be devoting to passing his pile of dung Obamacare replacement bill.


Nemont
 
RE: LOCK HIM UP !

>I asked for proof, not conjecture,
>not saying I don't have
>a "lick of common sense"
>or anything. Could
>Trump's phone call have been
>monitored some other way then
>a wire tap?
>Have you read the Snowden
>info on what the NSA
>collects? So I know
>you have no proof that
>would pass muster in a
>court of law or even
>in an investigation in the
>House of Representatives, all you
> have is hearsay, whining
>and an assumption of something
>nefarious. If that was
>your case and you brought
>it to the prosecutor, they
>would tell you to return
>to the doughnut shop and
>try again. Your standards sure
>have slipped since your law
>dog days.
>
>If you weren't in the tank
>for Trump you would understand
>that he simply has no
>proof that Obama ordered his
>"wires tapped" and he is
>going to tie up a
>bunch of valuable time that
>he should be devoting to
>passing his pile of dung
>Obamacare replacement bill.
>
>
>Nemont
at least we know what's in it and they are trying to fix it.
 
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Where do you get the notion they are fixing anything? Trump's promises of lower costs, better coverage and for everyone will be as hollow as Obama's claims as "if you like your coverage you can keep it". He will pay just as steep of a political price too when people who used to have coverage start showing up on the news every night saying Trump took away my care.

That assume anything gets done in the Senate but it is a wonderful plan with beautiful coverage, which they have not had the CBO score and have not clue what it final form will take.

What is truly going to be funny to watch is all you people currently on medicare get your full bill of what this repeal bill costs you. Whining and gnashing of teeth is in your future when the new bill returns to the old way of medicare coverage. According to the info I have your costs will increase up to 30% nearly immediately and doctors will be pinched the point of dropping you. But why should we care about that? You got yours, right? Even funnier is the new replacement bill has nearly identical language as the ACA when it comes to so called "death panels". They are even called the same thing, "advisory boards"

But I digress, still waiting for the smoking gun proof that President Trump's Tweets were true and there is a straight line connection to Obama ordering these wire taps. If we believe Comey and Clapper that they have seen no evidence of the Russian collusion why shouldn't be believe them that they have seen no evidence of Obama's illegal wire taps?

Nemont
 
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>Where do you get the notion
>they are fixing anything?
>Trump's promises of lower costs,
>better coverage and for everyone
>will be as hollow as
>Obama's claims as "if you
>like your coverage you can
>keep it". He will
>pay just as steep of
>a political price too when
>people who used to have
>coverage start showing up on
>the news every night saying
>Trump took away my care.
>
>
>That assume anything gets done in
>the Senate but it is
>a wonderful plan with beautiful
>coverage, which they have not
>had the CBO score and
>have not clue what it
>final form will take.
>
>What is truly going to be
>funny to watch is all
>you people currently on medicare
>get your full bill of
>what this repeal bill costs
>you. Whining and gnashing
>of teeth is in your
>future when the new bill
>returns to the old way
>of medicare coverage. According
>to the info I have
>your costs will increase up
>to 30% nearly immediately and
>doctors will be pinched the
>point of dropping you.
> But why should we
>care about that? You
>got yours, right? Even
>funnier is the new replacement
>bill has nearly identical language
>as the ACA when it
>comes to so called "death
>panels". They are
>even called the same thing,
>"advisory boards"
>
>But I digress, still waiting for
>the smoking gun proof that
>President Trump's Tweets were true
>and there is a straight
>line connection to Obama ordering
>these wire taps. If
>we believe Comey and Clapper
>that they have seen no
>evidence of the Russian collusion
>why shouldn't be believe them
>that they have seen no
>evidence of Obama's illegal wire
>taps?
>
>Nemont
Those two were proven lyers.
 
RE: LOCK HIM UP !

So are they lying about the lack of evidence about collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russian, too? Since they are proven "lyers" why believe them about that?

Nemont
 
RE: LOCK HIM UP !

Nemont this is from the guy who helped design the program to monitor all transmissions by electronic devices including phone calls.
RELH
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A veteran of the NSA has said President Donald Trump is righ to claim he was wiretapped and monitored. (Alex Wong/Getty Images)

President Donald Trump is "absolutely right" to claim he was wiretapped and monitored, a former NSA official claimed Monday, adding that the administration risks falling victim to further leaks if it continues to run afoul of the intelligence community.

"I think the president is absolutely right. His phone calls, everything he did electronically, was being monitored," Bill Binney, a 36-year veteran of the National Security Agency who resigned in protest from the organization in 2001, told Fox Business on Monday. Everyone's conversations are being monitored and stored, Binney said.


Binney resigned from NSA shortly after the U.S. approach to intelligence changed following the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. He "became a whistleblower after discovering that elements of a data-monitoring program he had helped develop -- nicknamed ThinThread -- were being used to spy on Americans," PBS reported.


On Monday he came to the defense of the president, whose allegations on social media over the weekend that outgoing President Barack Obama tapped his phones during the 2016 campaign have rankled Washington.


"How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!" Trump tweeted.



"Is it legal for a sitting President to be 'wire tapping' a race for president prior to an election? Turned down by court earlier. A NEW LOW!... I'd bet a good lawyer could make a great case out of the fact that President Obama was tapping my phones in October, just prior to Election!," he continued.


Binney seemed to go further than the assessment of former Attorney General Michael Mukasey, a George W. Bush administration official, who offered a tacit defense of Trump to ABC on Sunday.


"This is the difference between being correct and right," Mukasey said. "The president was not correct in saying President Obama ordered a tap on a server in Trump Tower. However, I think he's right in that there was surveillance and that it was conducted at the behest of the attorney general ? at the Justice Department through the FISA court."


But Binney told Sean Hannity's radio show earlier Monday, "I think the FISA court's basically totally irrelevant."


The judges on the FISA court are "not even concerned, nor are they involved in any way with the Executive Order 12333 collection," Binney said during the radio interview. "That's all done outside of the courts. And outside of the Congress."


Binney told Fox the laws that fall under the FISA court's jurisdiction are "simply out there for show" and "trying to show that the government is following the law, and being looked at and overseen by the Senate and House intelligence committees and the courts."


"That's not the main collection program for NSA," Binney said.


What Binney did not delve into, however, was if President Obama directed surveillance on Trump for political purposes during the campaign, a core accusation of Trump's. But Binney did say events such as publication of details of private calls between President Trump and the Australian prime minister, as well as with the Mexican president, are evidence the intelligence community is playing hardball with the White House.


"I think that's what happened here," Binney told Fox. "The evidence of the conversation of the president of the U.S., President Trump, and the [prime minister] of Australia and the president of Mexico. Releasing those conversations.
 
RE: LOCK HIM UP !

LAST EDITED ON Mar-10-17 AT 01:36PM (MST)[p]This is the second time Binney's article has been quoted on this thread. Do this, find where he says he has proof that Obama ordered the wire tapping of Trump Towers. It is right there in the article if you bothered to actually read it through before touting as the smoking gun.


Also, and I will type slower so it can sink in, the calls to both Australia and Mexico took place after Obama was out office, so how would Obama order the release of the conversations?

So do this, instead of playing the game of, "I hate Obama" try playing, "Why would Trump make this up"? Please provide proof that Obama ordered Trump Towers to be wire tapped. Also I suggest reading the entire Edward Snowden revelation that every major tech company, all U.S. Phone calls and every text message are intercepted and stored by the NSA. No warrant, not judicial review, no way to even get them to stop because it appears nobody in congress has any authority over it.

So yes the conversations Trump was having with people were most likely intercepted as is this posting and any phone calls you make. There is zero proof that Obama ordered it and if there isn't proof of such an order then Trump is simply either a liar or is dumber than a box of rocks to go on to twitter with an allegation he has no proof of.

I get it, you are enamored with Trump but just wait, he is going to give the medicare recipients who voted for him what they have coming.

Nemont
 
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Nemont I have serious doubts there will be a direct link to Obama ordering the taps. Obama is not a fool to get caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
If you think he was not made aware of the taps and kept appraised of the findings, then you are the fool with no common sense.

RELH
 
RE: LOCK HIM UP !

In your career did you ever have a case where you suspected something, perhaps even knew something but simply could not prove it court or sell it to the DA because the evidence you had would never pass muster in court?

That is what this thing is and it by making outlandish allegations and making personal Trump costs himself support from people on the margin. People who voted for the lesser of two evils, held their nose hoping he would act like a president if elected. His hardcore believers, will be there but given that out of the votes cast only 80,000 could have changed the outcome he may want to review how deep his support actually is.

It matters because those same people also elect congressmen and senators and if those jokers read the tea leaves that the President is personally popular in their districts it spells trouble. Making allegations he cannot prove does nothing to further his own agenda. He is an easy target it costs almost no political capital to take shots a president, it is the opposite for the guy sitting in the big chair. Obama will laugh all the way to his $60 million book advance, enjoy a great life with a life time pension, $2 billion library, etc, etc. Even Hillary will never see the inside of a court room on anything but both can make Trump's life miserable. That is the way it works. Instead of ruling by tweets he should try actually getting his agenda moving through congress instead of tying their time up investigating things that will never be able to be proven but if that is more important to you then have at. Chase your tail and once you catch what have you proven?

Nemont
 
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LAST EDITED ON Mar-10-17 AT 09:06PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Mar-10-17 AT 08:59?PM (MST)

It is obvious that you still do not "get It" as to what is going on.

RELH
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Author
John Trent

1 day ago




We asked you whether or not you thought Obama tapped Donald Trump?s phone, and you responded.





As of this writing, we've had 2,399 voters take the poll. And of those 2,399, 96% voted ?Yes! He did it to disgrace our president!? While the other 4% voted ?No. Obama is telling the truth.?
 
RE: LOCK HIM UP !

LAST EDITED ON Mar-10-17 AT 10:04PM (MST)[p]I just texted everyone on my contacts list and asked if this post of yours shows proof that Trump Towers was wire tapped. Out of 841 people 839 said WTF are you talking about, not sure what the other two were thinking maybe they were Trump voters

If you brought this in as evidence the DA would ask for your badge and gun to be turned in as you don't know Shyt from low grade peanut butter
 
RE: LOCK HIM UP !

Well it looks like we have two idiots that can not figure out what Trump is doing to the Democrats and winning the game just like he won the race against all odds.

When you two gain some common sense and figure out Trump's game plan, you will know why he is President and you two are still peons with opinions that suck because of your hatred.

RELH
 
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>Well it looks like we have
>two idiots that can not
>figure out what Trump is
>doing to the Democrats and
>winning the game just like
>he won the race against
>all odds.
>
> When you
>two gain some common sense
>and figure out Trump's game
>plan, you will know why
>he is President and you
>two are still peons with
>opinions that suck because of
>your hatred.
>
>
>
>
>
> RELH

+1
 
RE: LOCK HIM UP !

I could care less what he is doing to the democrats. It is what he is doing to the office of President that worries me. Anything you look the other way on when your guy is in there will comeback to haunt you.

It will be satisfactory enough to me to see the people on Medicare who defend his every utterance and tweet get the almighty hose job. His promise not to touch Medicare cannot be kept with the repeal and replace bill he is championing.

We shall see who gets hurt politically by making accusations that cannot be ever proven to be true.

It's going to be great

Nemont
 
RE: LOCK HIM UP !

>I could care less what he
>is doing to the democrats.
>It is what he is
>doing to the office of
>President that worries me.
>Anything you look the other
>way on when your guy
>is in there will comeback
>to haunt you.
>
>It will be satisfactory enough
>to me to see the
>people on Medicare who defend
>his every utterance and tweet
>get the almighty hose job.
> His promise not to
>touch Medicare cannot be kept
>with the repeal and replace
>bill he is championing.
>
>We shall see who gets hurt
>politically by making accusations that
>cannot be ever proven to
>be true.
>
>It's going to be great
>
>Nemont
Yes it will be !
 

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