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Here is one of the biggest,widest,bestlooking typical main frame bucks I have ever seen. I had a few of the experts including Ryan take look at this buck and they all had one hell of a time guessing the score there guesses ranged from 206 to 217 net and a gross score guess between 217 to 230 with an outside spread of 35+ what do you guys think.

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LAST EDITED ON Nov-27-03 AT 08:35PM (MST)[p]OnTarget,
Definately a MONSTER BUCK! When it comes to score, tape it when the shooting is done. That buck proves that with all the moaning on this site lately about all the big bucks being gone, that maybe they still are out there and just smarter than your average "dink".
Great buck and great pics. Thanks for sharing. I look forward to what the winter brings for big bucks on the winter range. We are still hunting up here but the big boys are definately down this year. Snowing to beat the band. Should be a good post season scouting and shed season.
 
Wow he's impressive, I would say he is in between 34 and 36 inches wide and probably around 205 to 210. Great Pics are those recient?
 
The pictures were taken last week, this is his 3rd year rutting in the same area at the same time
 
South Utah? Saw one some time ago in mid sept, scouting the Pauns
never seen again and only about 5 sec, glad to see that the big ones are still around late after hunting season and are passing on great genes. BEAUTIFUL BUCK! GREAT PICS!
 
HEY THANKS FOR THE PICS.THOSE ARE SOME GREAT LOOKING DEER.JUST A PERFECT TYPICAL MULEY GRANDE!!!!
 
Let me preface this by saying its a great buck! G-1s 1 1/2" max
G-2s 14-15"s, G-3's 10-11 inches, G-4's 13-14 and lets just say the main beams are 27 which is probably a little high. No more than 16 inches of mass. The max math says........84 1/2" x 2 plus 27-28 inside spread =........... 197 gross. But thats just my opinion. I could be wrong.
 
Really great buck!!!............but buckspy is right on, probobally generous with the mainbeam length and thats all you get for spread credit. I'm not trying to knock a great buck, just being honest.

JB
 
What about all the cheaters? I can count at least 3 which would add 10-12" to gross. Net typical probably in the high 190's. Gross N/T maybe 210"
 
If he is really that big than I think someone will show him to the Gov Tag holder and that deer won't make it back for the 4th year.

And he is a dandy.
 
Im guessin thats a wasatch buck?
If so your one of the lucky guys to film one of the many big SOB's up there.


-Cass
 
So now that you have you're new camera Cass, we'll be expecting bigger bucks than this to be posted by you. LOL! Because you have the SPECIAL GIFT on finding World Records, or at least State Records right? At least that is what some guys from California told me.(Oh, BCBOY, why are you always picking on me? I ain't ever going to talk to you again.) LMAO!
 
first off that is a great buck, But weak on the main beams right from the start...decent forks & mass,..... Great width, but it is definitely going to cost him with the main beam length...Put him on the ground and I would be very suprised the see the net totals and gross come anywhere close to that previously stated......mid 190's maybe high 90's max...just doesn't have the numbers.....dont get me wrong though...he is definitely a shooter, Dwayne
 
Humm when did 26-27 inch main beams become week, Considering most mule deer don't have the potential to grow main beams over 24inches or ever make it any wider then 25 inches in there life time! I could show you a few bucks that are pushing high 180s and 1 over 190 and this buck just totally drowns them there not even in the same realm
 
What's the matter Cass? Do your own words come back to bite ya in the ass sometimes? LOL! Like many have said before. TIME TO POST UP Bud! BTW hard to get pics of monsters in the spring since they ain't packin' anymore. LOL!
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-28-03 AT 07:20PM (MST)[p]I'll have to agree with ya Dewayne...
Mains seem to die early...Needs more mass to
get into the deep 200's.. I'd disagree about
most bucks never having better than 24" mains...
Seen alot of young deer latley with 24"+ mains..
Just an observation though!!! I'd be glad to be the lucky hunter to take him though!!!
Seeya, Ray
 
That buck WILL NOT BOOK with those "weak" main beams...they are weak...And "all those stickers" don't add into a typical gross, they only get deducted from the total. There is also alot of wasted spread. Please don't get me wrong, I would give my first born for that buck but it will not make book.

JB
 
I don't say too much on this site, but I have to say.... best 'live' buck here this year. I hope those genes are spread all over his winter range! Great deer!!!
 
That buck goes over 200". I have a 192" Typ, and he is not that big. Look at his forks...they are all deep. Who cares anyway, what a beauty!
 
Won't this kill him scoring wise?????


1)????? ?The inside spread is taken perpendicular to the axis of the head at the widest point between the main beams. Credit for this measurement cannot exceed the length of the longest main beam. If the spread is greater than the longest main beam then only the length of the longest main beam can be entered toward the spread credit. Place this measurement in line D, column 1. If the spread was greater than the longest main beam, place the difference in line D, column 4.

He will not get any spread credit because his mainbeams are shorter then his inside width????? Buck's with poor mainbeams never score well, even though they can look magnificent.
 
No just some poor little old man decides he wants to critisize everything because he thinks he's better. I never said I was going to be lookin for monsters in the spring smart ass. I will try to get out and do some shed hunting around central / northern Nevada as well as Southern / Northern Utah. Maybe parts of AZ.




-Cass
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-28-03 AT 11:31PM (MST)[p]Cass, It's sooo fun to mess with your head. LOL! Hope you actually get out and find some sheds. I'd love to see the sheds off of all the monsters that you always see. Man, I wish I could find some big sheds. LOL!
BTW, How old do you think I am? There is a recent pic of me giving the thumbs up if you need help guessing.
 
Yup, "all those sticker" don't add into TYPICAL gross and thats why I said "Gross N/T" (meaning gross non-typical). Hey, I'm not an expert, I'm just taking a guess like everyone else.

In my opinion only, net scores don't mean anything. The more inches, the better!
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-01-03 AT 02:21PM (MST)[p]THE SPREAD CREDIT MAY EQUAL BUT NOT EXCEED LONGER ANTLER!
 
If this buck has a spread credit deduction, it ain't much more than an inch or so. That's not what hurts him. Also, this ain't no 210" buck. I'm sorry. But we'll post a picture of a officially scored 210" framed deer, that was on here a while ago, and it's easy to see this one's got a way's to go, to hit 210. We'll call the length measurements, probly pretty equal, although, I think the real 210 buck is slightly better. What will blow you away, is the difference in mass, and the real 210 buck has 4" brow tines to go w/ all that beam, spread and length to hit that high of a #. W/ the cheater deducts on this buck, I don't see him netting much more than mid 190's...
 
Here is the 210 framed buck OSOK was referring to. Obvious difference in size. Still the buck posted is a keeper and is a great buck but I doubt it comes close to the scores mentioned originally. OnTarget was the Ryan were talking about Meg?
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Will the real 210 buck, please stand up!!!

LAST EDITED ON Dec-01-03 AT 04:21PM (MST)[p]OK boyeez...

There he is!!! You make the decision. Myself... I'll call. Main beam, inside spread, G-2, G-3, G-4 measurements, neglagiable tween the two, although I feel this buck has a slight edge in several if not all categories... Where the Utah buck, pales in comparion, is the G-1 measurement, and the mass isn't even close...

FYI. This buck grosses 210 and nets 205, typical frame... And I would say he's easily 10 inches better than the other one...
 
RE: Will the real 210 buck, please stand up!!!

Damn, You guys sure do your homework. LOL! I agree, when you compare the Utah buck to this monster mainframe buck, it pales in comparison. That's not to take anything away from the Utah buck. Still one hell of a buck.

OSOK,
I know how much you hold that old timer buck as your dream buck. I know of one taken just this year that is very similiar to it. Mainframe and mass look almost the same. It is uncanny.
 
RE: Will the real 210 buck, please stand up!!!

What were the Mass measurements for the buck you have posted ? also I know it is hard to tell the real mass measurements on this buck due to that fact the pictures I posted are taken at 250 yards plus but I am certain this buck is right at 40 inches of total mass, if you look close the 4th mass measurement on the right side in this picture give you a small look at what his real mass is plus I have seen him in person several times!
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I have been reading some of the replies to this thread and thought I would throw a guess out. This buck is a monster either way you look at it 210" or not. I gave the buck the benifit of the doubt on every measurement and without the cheaters I figured he would be about 213" gross....that is saying that he has alot more than what it looks like in the pictures. This is probably one of those bucks that the pictures dont do any justice to. I have seen sheds that are in pictures and deer in pictures that dont look all that big but in person they are huge. just my two cents.
YB
 
Too late for that guy. I spotlighted him on turkey night and sold the antlers to some maniac in challis. 25-1/2 in main beams. Just like I said...he didn't book.

JB
 
First off, an awesome looking Mule Deer, no question he's a shooter. I've officially measured lots of racks over the years so I'll play the game and give my guess here too. After looking at the photos, I have to agree with Trent (OSOK) about the score. Here's what I'll guess him at.

Smallest measurments doubled:

Main Beam-26" (generous)
G1-1.5"
G2-16 (generous)
G3-11
G4-11.5
H1-5.2
H2-5.2
H3-4
H4-4.2
Inside Spread-26" (main beam credit-may be less)

Gross Typical Score-196"
Minus Deductions of both kickers-6"
NET TYPICAL SCORE-189-190"

If your adding everything without deductions he would be right at 200-202" and some change. Again, just my opinion and from viewing photos only. Maybe I'm missing something, if those who have seen him are saying 230", but I don't see that here. However, an awesome looking buck. Thanks for sharing.

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OnTarget,
Great buck. I would agree that his outside spread is right at 35". Go find his sheds this next spring and prove all of us score guessers wrong.
I would have to disagree with the people saying that he has weak main beams. The way his main beams curve make them look smaller than they really are.
I think his main frame is 195" gross and has about 8 to 10 inches of trash points on it. He wouldn't make the all time book this year but he could grow a better rack next year.
 
I chased this buck a few times this year on the archery hunt. The closest I got was 95 yards. He is a smart buck. These pictures DO NOT DO JUSTICE. You need to seem him with your own eyes. When yo take pictures like that, it seems to make the antlers look smaller and thinner. This buck has good mass. I bet he goes 210 EASY. Next year I'll let you know. I hope to pattern this buck a little better this year and get a lot closer shot.
 
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That bucks a 191 buck. He is 36" wide. Has a couple differences between him and the buck posted but it should give you a rough score of what the one you found will score. Im gonna have to agree with most people and say that's a 190 - 195 Class Buck. One hell of a buck though thats for sure.



-Cass
 
RE: THE REAL SCORE AND WIDTH OF THIS BUCK!

LAST EDITED ON Dec-04-03 AT 09:41AM (MST)[p]That is a great buck, and they dont come much wider! A buddy and I filmed a buck all summer long that is really close to his width and score. The buck is featured in the latest Muley Crazy magazine if any of you get the Muley Crazy magazine you can look and find the article called "Jonny Utah"!!! The buck is 32" wide. The monster utah typical we are all talking about is going to go 34-35" wide not much wider than the buck we filmed.
HERE ARE THE REAL MEASUREMENTS FOR THE MONSTER TYPICALS FRAME:

RIGHT SIDE...G1=1.5" G2=16" G3=11.5" G4=12 MAIN BEAM=24"
MASS=20" TOTAL=85" LEFT SIDE...G1=1.5" G2=15.5" G3=11" G4=12.5" MAIN BEAM=24" MASS=20" TOTAL=84.5" INSIDE SPREAD=26"
TOTAL SCORE=195.5" TYPICAL!!!!

This is no 36" plus wide buck, but a hell of a deer!!!
 
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Cass,
I think he was talking about his own buck, the one he has the width and score listed for.

Rut
 
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Cass I can guarantee this buck will gross over 215 We have one of his sheds from1999 and both from 2000 but he has disappeared until this year, however by gauging his growth from 99 to 2000 plus we have an idea from other sheds we found from 2001 to 2003 how much antler growth there was in these years thats why I'm sure he will gross over 215 as far as net I'M not sure but i image it to net over 200 whats even more amazing is that he is still alive
 
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hang on you guys, let me go get a beer.....
 
RE: THE REAL SCORE AND WIDTH OF THIS BUCK!

He might gross 215 with those 8" of cheaters but with deductions I think he might net 193-196. Like I said, I'm not deminishing the score of this buck, He's a freakin toad. I'd blast him in a heart beat, But it's better to guess low that way you don't have ground shrinkage.



-Cass
 
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Were you guessing low on the New World Record you saw?
 
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hey justin, how long were his 2's and beams in the sheds you found?
 
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That's sooo cooool Cass! I can't wait until you post the pics. The suspense is killing me!
 
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What do you mean by that? I'm dead serious. I've been sitting on pins and needles now that you got that new camera of yours. I figured because you are such a buck magnet you'd have that New #1 on film by now. And if not him, at least several of the State Records you've seen.
You don't think that with all the lies you've told on this site and I should leave you alone do you? LMAO! Yea, I know, I'm a sad little ol' man. I've heard it before. POST UP THEM PICTURES WOULD YA ALREADY!
 
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If I find his sheds you'll be the first person to see them.



-Cass
 
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I heard this buck is for sale to the govenors tag holder? How come it's only going to cost $10g's? And why can't I take pictures of this buck on the hunt if I decide to take it? Is this buck even on your lease??? I didnt think so. Just curious.
 
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That's a Nice buck OnTarget. I would think that it would easily make into the top thirty list of Echo/Henefer area deer.
 
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Hell of a Buck WOW thats just neet to know that there still out there

But I would like some people to guess the age of this buck I see where you have some sheds from him in other years but he dont look like a old buck to me

So I would guess if we could have a wet year or atleast some rainfall he would only get better what do you all think

UThunting
Clynt L Citte
Roy Ut
 
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After running the picture back and forth and going back and looking at other 200 type bucks I think he will go over 220, I'm guessing we will all see if the Gov tag holder see him.What did the sheds from 2000 gross out at.
 
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Gator,

Look at post #28. Compare the 2. Not even close. And that buck only nets 205 typical frame.
 
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Gator

His sheds from 2000 were right at 186 gross that is including his 3 inch extra point on his left side however his 2 small kickers on his right were just starting to form so his net score in 2000 was right around 180. His right side shed from 1999 suggested that he was a 171 assuming he still had the 3 inch kicker on his left side he was a 174 gross buck so in on year he picked up 12 inches if he kept that up for the next three years that suggests another 36 inches = 222 gross now I don't think he is that big but I bet he is every bit of a 215 gross buck if some wants to post his 2000 sheds I would be glad to show them
 
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WOW, that huge womans hands barely close around those bases!!

JB
 
>Here is one of the biggest,widest,bestlooking
>typical main frame bucks I
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>a few of the experts
>including Ryan take look at
>this buck and they all
>had one hell of a
>time guessing the score there
>guesses ranged from 206 to
>217 net and a gross
>score guess between 217 to
>230 with an outside
>spread of 35+ what do
>you guys think.
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This is a good buck. Probably right at 34 1/2"s Gross score would be 201"s.
 
Sweat Buck, I'm quite sure your assumptions of 206 plus net are right on. The 2000 sheds of that buck are also quite impressive. Would you email me about this buck, if you don't mind.
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Okay, here's how we resolve this arguemt. Just tell me exaclty where he is and I'll go take a good look at him, then I'll come back and tell everyone my opinion on how well he scores!!!

It was worth a try!! :)

Awesome buck by the way. Cant wait to see what he ends up scoring when some luckly hunter bags him!!
 
He will score net at the most 195 to 200 Boone and Crockett

LAST EDITED ON Dec-21-03 AT 11:41PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Dec-21-03 AT 11:40?PM (MST)

At most .... 195 to 200 Boone and Crockett points.

Not to put anything against that Utah buck.....He's a great buck and incredibly wide !!!!

His inside spread is going to be obviously wider than his main beam length as shown in the photo ..... so there's goes using the inside spread measurements.

He has numerous stickers and I can see a couple of them are more than a couple inches.....deductions.

The bucks fork measurements are going to be a little off if you look closely at the beam lengths.......

But put it this way .... he's a great buck and regardless of score ... he's a shooter .... but no way will he ever score as high as those initial figures ... sorry boys.......and I'm sure BC boy will agree with me.
 
RE: He will score net at the most 195 to 200 Boone and Crockett

BCBucks, I've tried to stay out of the pissin' match on this one thus far. LOL! I don't think it is anywhere near netting over 200. I'm actually leaning closer to the 190 mark. Those extras really hammer him as a typical and he doesn't get the spread credit because of those MB's. But saying that, I would not hestitate on pulling the trigger. Who cares about score on a buck like that. He's a KEEPER!
Hope you find the sheds and have a chance to put the tape on him On Target. Hopefully, it's not a footrace for you once he drops.
 
RE: He will score net at the most 195 to 200 Boone and Crockett

For sure a 200 plus net buck, probably not much over the 200 net mark, but what a hog. Too bad he has 10 inches of deducts, or he would book real well. I also love the over all width. By far the best looking typical buck I have seen in a long time.
 
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BCboy -

You're right .... I had a look at another monster muley that goes 190 typical and he's as big or bigger and 35" wide like the one in the photo with no stickers .... so I change my verdict to no more than 190-195.

Cheers !
 
RE: He will score net at the most 195 to 200 Boone and Crockett

I am a novice as far as scoring goes, so could one of you answer a question for me. I have a buck that was scored by an official B&C guy and it has some of the same problems as this buck. His mainbeams are shorter than his inside spread. So, according to the scorers, he does not get to use his inside spread score. I posted this question above and a couple of people responded saying that the spread credit reduction would be minimal. But, if you do not get to use his inside spread measurement, that would be a huge number. On the buck I had scored, they did not include an inside measurement. I know that it was quite the discussion among the scorers who scored mine. But, it seems to me that if this buck cannot use his inside spread score, than there is no way he would even come close to 210.

The other way I had it explained to me (on this site) was this way: Lets say the mainbeam is 20 inches and the inside spread is 25 inches, then you would only get credit for the mainbeam length, which is 20 inches on your inside spread score.

So, my question is, if the mainbeam is less then the inside spread, do you not get ANY inside spread credit; or do you still get inside spread scores, but only what the length of the mainbeam is? I have seen a couple of different posts describe it a couple of different ways. Thanks!

muleyguy
 
RE: He will score net at the most 195 to 200 Boone and Crockett

you would get the beam length for the spread credit. The spread credit cant exceed the main beam length. So if the beams are 20 inches, and the inside spread is 25, your score number would be 20. Hope this helps.
 
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BCBucks,
Did you happen to get pics of the buck you just looked at? I'd love to see them if ya got them. LOL! Did you hear the rumor of a 247 NT from the Cariboo this year? Sure been some slugs taken this year.
 
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Cass if you were refering to my post I mentioned that the buck was not a 36" wide deer at the bottom. I mentioned that he was probly going to go 34-35" wide tops!
 
RE: He will score net at the most 195 to 200 Boone and Crockett

great pics thanks for posting
 
RE: He will score net at the most 195 to 200 Boone and Crockett

OT...

I heard you found his sheds. What did they score?



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