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small and not important in the big world..........
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Obama Couldn't & Wouldn't do it!
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Kudos to the Trump Administration, makes me happy for the released couple and their family. I'll give Dear Leader his due, I liked a few changes in the AHCA like drug importation although the other 98.9% of it was garbage.
Hiring Fmr. Amb, Gov, Amb.John Bushman Jr on your team in any capacity is a good thing. Although I think he should have been at the meeting with President Xi. The border rhetoric has had a dramatic effect as crossing have dropped off substantially. The rest of it is pretty much crap.
Being POTUS is dirty business, safety vs supporting brutal dictatorships. Obama struggled with it which is why Sissi held the couple as prisoners even after Obama caved.
Sissi = Not a good guy, coup over elected leader. Had troops open fire on peaceful protested, killed many, imprisoned many more.
What's on the table? Classic, money and military aid.
This exchange came at a price, about $1.5 Billion for round numbers.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/11/politics/us-foreign-aid-report/
Dangerous business, kinda damned if you do or don't, Sissi's future may very well be no different than Assad.
Hiring Fmr. Amb, Gov, Amb.John Bushman Jr on your team in any capacity is a good thing. Although I think he should have been at the meeting with President Xi. The border rhetoric has had a dramatic effect as crossing have dropped off substantially. The rest of it is pretty much crap.
Being POTUS is dirty business, safety vs supporting brutal dictatorships. Obama struggled with it which is why Sissi held the couple as prisoners even after Obama caved.
Sissi = Not a good guy, coup over elected leader. Had troops open fire on peaceful protested, killed many, imprisoned many more.
What's on the table? Classic, money and military aid.
This exchange came at a price, about $1.5 Billion for round numbers.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/11/politics/us-foreign-aid-report/
Dangerous business, kinda damned if you do or don't, Sissi's future may very well be no different than Assad.
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BHO embarrased our nation with that rescue... That rescue really defines his presidency and the damage he and his ilk have done to our nation. 5 extremist Terrorist in exchange for a traitor that deserted and ultimately cost addition American lives in preserving their oath to fight for their brother. It shook me to watch that Rose garden ceremony then. ......it hasn't got better since. .
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Another Rose garden event that was shameful was the "let's have a beer" in the Rose Garden with the black college professor and the cop after Obama figure out he screwed up by jumping in on that incident, without all the facts, trying to make a racial issue lout of it.
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NeMont
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LAST EDITED ON Apr-21-17 AT 09:59AM (MST)[p]Homer/YBO,
You should go check the tape prior to lying like Servehim does. You may wish to review what I actually said, I know facts matter not a whit to most on here but if you are going to make stuff up then at least have the brains to be able to back up the lies with even half facts.
Have any of you chuckle heads done any actual reading about the Army's stance on Bergdahl?
General Dahl, who conducted the Army investigation, made some shocking statements regardless of what FoxNews made up and what you think you believe.
Quote:
For example, despite claims that a half-dozen soldiers died in the search for Sergeant Bergdahl, General Dahl, under oath, testified that he had found no evidence that any soldiers had been killed while specifically engaged in the effort. And Sergeant Bergdahl did not intend to walk to China or India, as some other soldiers had suggested. Instead, the general said that while Sergeant Bergdahl might have made the comment, it was simply typical idle chatter among privates with time to kill on a lonely combat outpost.
Nor, he said, did Sergeant Bergdahl ever intend to desert and join the Taliban. When he mailed his computer home, it was not because he intended to permanently flee, the general said, but because he knew that he might be imprisoned once he left his post, and he wanted his personal items to be in good hands.
Now are you clowns saying the General is lying as well? Or are you saying that you know more about the investigation then the people who conducted it, prosecuted his case and testified under oath?
Lock him up, I don't give a shyt about Bergdahl. I never defended the Rose Garden Ceremony. "Leave no man behind", applies whether the guy left, deserted or got captured. You all know half as much about the case as you think you learned on FoxNews and Breitbart. At the time I said you all should be happy Obama made himself look stupid.
So for the guys who have a need to worry about what I said and then completely lie about, you should have the balls to at least admit you are a liar.
You should go check the tape prior to lying like Servehim does. You may wish to review what I actually said, I know facts matter not a whit to most on here but if you are going to make stuff up then at least have the brains to be able to back up the lies with even half facts.
Have any of you chuckle heads done any actual reading about the Army's stance on Bergdahl?
General Dahl, who conducted the Army investigation, made some shocking statements regardless of what FoxNews made up and what you think you believe.
Quote:
For example, despite claims that a half-dozen soldiers died in the search for Sergeant Bergdahl, General Dahl, under oath, testified that he had found no evidence that any soldiers had been killed while specifically engaged in the effort. And Sergeant Bergdahl did not intend to walk to China or India, as some other soldiers had suggested. Instead, the general said that while Sergeant Bergdahl might have made the comment, it was simply typical idle chatter among privates with time to kill on a lonely combat outpost.
Nor, he said, did Sergeant Bergdahl ever intend to desert and join the Taliban. When he mailed his computer home, it was not because he intended to permanently flee, the general said, but because he knew that he might be imprisoned once he left his post, and he wanted his personal items to be in good hands.
Now are you clowns saying the General is lying as well? Or are you saying that you know more about the investigation then the people who conducted it, prosecuted his case and testified under oath?
Lock him up, I don't give a shyt about Bergdahl. I never defended the Rose Garden Ceremony. "Leave no man behind", applies whether the guy left, deserted or got captured. You all know half as much about the case as you think you learned on FoxNews and Breitbart. At the time I said you all should be happy Obama made himself look stupid.
So for the guys who have a need to worry about what I said and then completely lie about, you should have the balls to at least admit you are a liar.
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N, though you throw out I'm a liar because you know it hurts me and does damage to who I truely do try to live for...as I stated before I would never intentionally bear false witness. On occasion you quote sources as though they are 100% credible when I personnally do not put the same credibility in them as you do. You for example site this General involved in Begbahl case as the sole and final arbiter. I believe that BHO put a lot of folk in our military in positions of power for political reasons. Credible sources ( i.e. Begdahls fellow soldiers) stated that folks WERE killed in the search for him. Call me a liar, call me stupid, call me whatever you want....bottom line is. I DONT Answer to you N... I answer to Him. There are a lot of very intelligent people that have been very wrong in there assessment of the situation. Don't discount that possibility my Freind
You answer to HIM ? you're full of chit. do you think HIM would be a Trump supporter? Him loves a puzzy grabbing liar set on helping the rich at the expense of the poor? turning away those in need out of fear and selfishness ? you're a fraud. or HIM is, you tell me.
I get being selfish, hell I'm as selfish as you are. let's just be honest about why and not use our imaginary friends as an excuse.
Bergdahl is a bum but he was a US soldier. this is what happens when you hire anyone with a pulse to fight your elective wars because nobody else is compelled to join . this was a military matter to be handled as the military sees fit.
There is no comparison whatsoever between him and a dumbchit civilian putting themselves in a dangerous situation in a dangerous nation. apples and Tuesday.
Stay Thirsty My Friends
I get being selfish, hell I'm as selfish as you are. let's just be honest about why and not use our imaginary friends as an excuse.
Bergdahl is a bum but he was a US soldier. this is what happens when you hire anyone with a pulse to fight your elective wars because nobody else is compelled to join . this was a military matter to be handled as the military sees fit.
There is no comparison whatsoever between him and a dumbchit civilian putting themselves in a dangerous situation in a dangerous nation. apples and Tuesday.
Stay Thirsty My Friends
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Bergdahl is a bum but he was a US soldier. this is what happens when you hire anyone with a pulse to fight your elective wars because nobody else is compelled to join . this was a military matter to be handled as the military sees fit.
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Are you that gullible that this was fully handled by the military without influence from President Obama after he committed himself to Bergdahl being a hero that he brought home. I know someone that will be willing to sell you a bridge in Brooklyn.
RELH
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Are you that gullible that this was fully handled by the military without influence from President Obama after he committed himself to Bergdahl being a hero that he brought home. I know someone that will be willing to sell you a bridge in Brooklyn.
RELH
Are you stupid enough to thing the marines were going to change their motto to " no man left behind, unless we suspect you maybe did something wrong or something " ?
Until Bergdahl is found guilty in a military tribunal he's simply a marine held captive by the enemy. if Obama did have a hand in it then he was fulfilling his obligation as CIC to bring every man home.
Why don't you let the military deal with this, it's not a matter for old Californians and FOX news to decide.
Stay Thirsty My Friends
Until Bergdahl is found guilty in a military tribunal he's simply a marine held captive by the enemy. if Obama did have a hand in it then he was fulfilling his obligation as CIC to bring every man home.
Why don't you let the military deal with this, it's not a matter for old Californians and FOX news to decide.
Stay Thirsty My Friends
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LAST EDITED ON Apr-24-17 AT 01:25AM (MST)[p]>I don't recall ever saying you
>answered to me. You
>are a liar, I can
>show you it here in
>black and white. Has zero
>to do with answering to
>me.
>
>Let me ask you, have you
>spent any time living and
>working in a deployed Army
>Company, platoon or squad?
>
>
>Nemont
No sir, sadly I did not spend time in the military. It is a regret in my life. Started my UPS career at 19. Please do point out any lie in my posting, bear in mind a different opinion and sources to my comments are not a lie. I will NEVER lie intentionally. So please stop with your false accusations.
>answered to me. You
>are a liar, I can
>show you it here in
>black and white. Has zero
>to do with answering to
>me.
>
>Let me ask you, have you
>spent any time living and
>working in a deployed Army
>Company, platoon or squad?
>
>
>Nemont
No sir, sadly I did not spend time in the military. It is a regret in my life. Started my UPS career at 19. Please do point out any lie in my posting, bear in mind a different opinion and sources to my comments are not a lie. I will NEVER lie intentionally. So please stop with your false accusations.
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And you call me a simpleton.....maybe he should have exchanged 10 terrioist,better yet 50. Grow up 6pack. I don't want to come across so rash but really ???? So very happy your guy so OUT . So very happy your party is being exposed. Go ahead N....call me a liar again
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LAST EDITED ON Apr-25-17 AT 07:34AM (MST)[p]You are a liar. I showed just one of many. Doesn't the bible say, if you look at a woman with lust it is the same as adultery? Or are you like Manny and ignore those parts that don't match up with your life?
To correct this story Bergdahl was in the Army not the Marines. As for the idea that we should have left him to rot and that the Army knew all along that we was a deserter, that is just fake news designed to entice feeble brains into believing more conspiracy theories.
If the Army knew he deserted, why was Bergdahl promoted purring his desertion? Funny that a guy who never spent a minute of his life around soldiers knows it all about the dynamics of a Unit.
So Serve what would you have done if you were in the chain of command? Let Bergdahl stay in the captivity of the Taliban? Not ordered a search for him? Not bothered looking at all? What would that have done to the morale of other soldiers? Doesn't the chain of command have a duty to figure out his where abouts? If you ever served you would understand some of the duties of people in the chain of command..Why is "leave no man behind" a Motto?
Nemont
To correct this story Bergdahl was in the Army not the Marines. As for the idea that we should have left him to rot and that the Army knew all along that we was a deserter, that is just fake news designed to entice feeble brains into believing more conspiracy theories.
If the Army knew he deserted, why was Bergdahl promoted purring his desertion? Funny that a guy who never spent a minute of his life around soldiers knows it all about the dynamics of a Unit.
So Serve what would you have done if you were in the chain of command? Let Bergdahl stay in the captivity of the Taliban? Not ordered a search for him? Not bothered looking at all? What would that have done to the morale of other soldiers? Doesn't the chain of command have a duty to figure out his where abouts? If you ever served you would understand some of the duties of people in the chain of command..Why is "leave no man behind" a Motto?
Nemont
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>LAST EDITED ON Apr-25-17
>AT 07:34?AM (MST)
>
>You are a liar. I
>showed just one of many.
> Doesn't the bible say,
>if you look at a
>woman with lust it is
>the same as adultery?
>Or are you like Manny
>and ignore those parts that
>don't match up with your
>life?
>
******Well N, I'm not a liar Dispite your continued aligations. Are you serious in your so called proof I am??? That the reason I watch Fox is because of the attractive women. Oh please sir. I didn't respond because that is laughable. *****
>To correct this story Bergdahl was
>in the Army not the
>Marines. As for the
>idea that we should have
>left him to rot and
>that the Army knew all
>along that we was a
>deserter, that is just fake
>news designed to entice feeble
>brains into believing more conspiracy
>theories.
>
**** I was not the one stating he was in the Marines ***
>If the Army knew he deserted,
>why was Bergdahl promoted purring
>his desertion? Funny that
>a guy who never spent
>a minute of his life
>around soldiers knows it all
>about the dynamics of a
>Unit.
**** I never stated I could relate to all the dynamics within a military unit having not served myself, my life took a different path....I stated having not served was a regret in my life*****
>
>So Serve what would you have
>done if you were in
>the chain of command?
>Let Bergdahl stay in the
>captivity of the Taliban?
>Not ordered a search for
>him? Not bothered looking
>at all? What would
>that have done to the
>morale of other soldiers?
>Doesn't the chain of command
>have a duty to figure
>out his where abouts?
>If you ever served you
>would understand some of the
>duties of people in the
>chain of command..Why is "leave
>no man behind" a Motto?
>
****i can Promise you , I never ever would have traded Bergdahl for 1 hardened Islamic Terrorist much less 5. NEVER IMO any patriotic solder captured by Taliban would not want that *****
>
>Nemont
>AT 07:34?AM (MST)
>
>You are a liar. I
>showed just one of many.
> Doesn't the bible say,
>if you look at a
>woman with lust it is
>the same as adultery?
>Or are you like Manny
>and ignore those parts that
>don't match up with your
>life?
>
******Well N, I'm not a liar Dispite your continued aligations. Are you serious in your so called proof I am??? That the reason I watch Fox is because of the attractive women. Oh please sir. I didn't respond because that is laughable. *****
>To correct this story Bergdahl was
>in the Army not the
>Marines. As for the
>idea that we should have
>left him to rot and
>that the Army knew all
>along that we was a
>deserter, that is just fake
>news designed to entice feeble
>brains into believing more conspiracy
>theories.
>
**** I was not the one stating he was in the Marines ***
>If the Army knew he deserted,
>why was Bergdahl promoted purring
>his desertion? Funny that
>a guy who never spent
>a minute of his life
>around soldiers knows it all
>about the dynamics of a
>Unit.
**** I never stated I could relate to all the dynamics within a military unit having not served myself, my life took a different path....I stated having not served was a regret in my life*****
>
>So Serve what would you have
>done if you were in
>the chain of command?
>Let Bergdahl stay in the
>captivity of the Taliban?
>Not ordered a search for
>him? Not bothered looking
>at all? What would
>that have done to the
>morale of other soldiers?
>Doesn't the chain of command
>have a duty to figure
>out his where abouts?
>If you ever served you
>would understand some of the
>duties of people in the
>chain of command..Why is "leave
>no man behind" a Motto?
>
****i can Promise you , I never ever would have traded Bergdahl for 1 hardened Islamic Terrorist much less 5. NEVER IMO any patriotic solder captured by Taliban would not want that *****
>
>Nemont
NeMont
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And the fact that you would leave an American to rot in the hands of the Taliban shows why guys like you will never get it. Bergdahl was a cull, he is a POS, still he took the oath and the Chain of Command had a duty to account for him.
I have a question where are the 5 "hardend terrorist right now? Are they back in the fight or are they under House arrest in Qatar? It is an important to understand why these men couldn't be tried in a U.S. Court and what it took to get this trade done.
As to your lying about things
You stated God controls climate and just rain and saltwater will fix everything. That is an outright fabrication, even most believers think that is a lie.
You believe God is in control but that your human vote can change the future, not very trusting of the power of God. Again perhaps just lying to yourself.
You believe God can melt mountains but he can't put down liberalism, either you are lying to us or yourself, both are lies.
The list is long and not very distinguished.
Nemont
I have a question where are the 5 "hardend terrorist right now? Are they back in the fight or are they under House arrest in Qatar? It is an important to understand why these men couldn't be tried in a U.S. Court and what it took to get this trade done.
As to your lying about things
You stated God controls climate and just rain and saltwater will fix everything. That is an outright fabrication, even most believers think that is a lie.
You believe God is in control but that your human vote can change the future, not very trusting of the power of God. Again perhaps just lying to yourself.
You believe God can melt mountains but he can't put down liberalism, either you are lying to us or yourself, both are lies.
The list is long and not very distinguished.
Nemont
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LAST EDITED ON Apr-25-17 AT 04:43PM (MST)[p]>
>And the fact that you would
>leave an American to rot
>in the hands of the
>Taliban shows why guys like
>you will never get it.
> Bergdahl was a cull,
>he is a POS, still
>he took the oath and
>the Chain of Command had
>a duty to account for
>him.
>
***You say I don't get it...I say you don't get it...Trading Terrorist is NOT a method I believe should be taken to get our solder back. Your opinion does not override mine N ***
>I have a question where are
>the 5 "hardend terrorist right
>now? Are they back
>in the fight or are
>they under House arrest in
>Qatar? It is an
>important to understand why these
>men couldn't be tried in
>a U.S. Court and what
>it took to get this
>trade done.
>
>
>*** That's why Gitmo is there, to handle dangerous folks who pose a threat to our nation. Agree or disagree your choice ****
>As to your lying about things
>
>
>You stated God controls climate and
>just rain and saltwater will
>fix everything. That is
>an outright fabrication, even most
>believers think that is a
>lie.
>
***** Again your opinion in which you state as fact, yes I do believe God has this earth totally handled, part of His master plan involves rain and salty oceans as His divinely mastered plan in protecting His creation ***
>You believe God is in control
>but that your human vote
>can change the future, not
>very trusting of the power
>of God. Again perhaps
>just lying to yourself.
***Nope, trust Him completely, Christians are not called to accept UN-Godly laws and supporting political leaders that more closely reflect His moral compass is the righteous thing to do. Yes I'm familiar with Romans 13.****
>
>You believe God can melt mountains
>but he can't put down
>liberalism, either you are lying
>to us or yourself, both
>are lies.
>
*** You and the lieing thing is getting old. It's sad N. God gave mankind I free will, He didn't make us robots. You most likely would not understand why He did that but I'll give you a hint...it's about Love**
>The list is long and not
>very distinguished.
>
>*****what is not distinguished is your distain for me because of my faith****
>Nemont
>And the fact that you would
>leave an American to rot
>in the hands of the
>Taliban shows why guys like
>you will never get it.
> Bergdahl was a cull,
>he is a POS, still
>he took the oath and
>the Chain of Command had
>a duty to account for
>him.
>
***You say I don't get it...I say you don't get it...Trading Terrorist is NOT a method I believe should be taken to get our solder back. Your opinion does not override mine N ***
>I have a question where are
>the 5 "hardend terrorist right
>now? Are they back
>in the fight or are
>they under House arrest in
>Qatar? It is an
>important to understand why these
>men couldn't be tried in
>a U.S. Court and what
>it took to get this
>trade done.
>
>
>*** That's why Gitmo is there, to handle dangerous folks who pose a threat to our nation. Agree or disagree your choice ****
>As to your lying about things
>
>
>You stated God controls climate and
>just rain and saltwater will
>fix everything. That is
>an outright fabrication, even most
>believers think that is a
>lie.
>
***** Again your opinion in which you state as fact, yes I do believe God has this earth totally handled, part of His master plan involves rain and salty oceans as His divinely mastered plan in protecting His creation ***
>You believe God is in control
>but that your human vote
>can change the future, not
>very trusting of the power
>of God. Again perhaps
>just lying to yourself.
***Nope, trust Him completely, Christians are not called to accept UN-Godly laws and supporting political leaders that more closely reflect His moral compass is the righteous thing to do. Yes I'm familiar with Romans 13.****
>
>You believe God can melt mountains
>but he can't put down
>liberalism, either you are lying
>to us or yourself, both
>are lies.
>
*** You and the lieing thing is getting old. It's sad N. God gave mankind I free will, He didn't make us robots. You most likely would not understand why He did that but I'll give you a hint...it's about Love**
>The list is long and not
>very distinguished.
>
>*****what is not distinguished is your distain for me because of my faith****
>Nemont
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Worship as you wish, I really don't care. If it makes you feel better then good on you. Just don't tell me that you are a WWJD kind of guy when it comes to politics or war
Jesus was pretty specific:
Matthew 5:38-42
38 ?You have heard that it was said, ?An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.? 39 But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic,[h] let him have your cloak as well. 41 And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42 Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.
Jesus was pretty specific:
Matthew 5:38-42
38 ?You have heard that it was said, ?An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.? 39 But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic,[h] let him have your cloak as well. 41 And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42 Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.
elkassassin
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>Worship as you wish, I really
>don't care. If it
>makes you feel better then
>good on you. Just
>don't tell me that you
>are a WWJD kind of
>guy when it comes to
>politics or war
>
>Jesus was pretty specific:
>
>Matthew 5:38-42
>
>38 ?You have heard that it
>was said, ?An eye for
>an eye and a tooth
>for a tooth.? 39 But
>I say to you, Do
>not resist the one who
>is evil. But if anyone
>slaps you on the right
>cheek, turn to him the
>other also. 40 And if
>anyone would sue you and
>take your tunic,[h] let him
>have your cloak as well.
>41 And if anyone forces
>you to go one mile,
>go with him two miles.
>42 Give to the one
>who begs from you, and
>do not refuse the one
>who would borrow from you.
>
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>don't care. If it
>makes you feel better then
>good on you. Just
>don't tell me that you
>are a WWJD kind of
>guy when it comes to
>politics or war
>
>Jesus was pretty specific:
>
>Matthew 5:38-42
>
>38 ?You have heard that it
>was said, ?An eye for
>an eye and a tooth
>for a tooth.? 39 But
>I say to you, Do
>not resist the one who
>is evil. But if anyone
>slaps you on the right
>cheek, turn to him the
>other also. 40 And if
>anyone would sue you and
>take your tunic,[h] let him
>have your cloak as well.
>41 And if anyone forces
>you to go one mile,
>go with him two miles.
>42 Give to the one
>who begs from you, and
>do not refuse the one
>who would borrow from you.
>
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>All you need to know is
>the advice my grandpa gave
>me: always take two
>Mormons with when you go
>anywhere with them. If you
>only bring one he will
>drink all your beer.
>Bring two and they won't
>drink any
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>the advice my grandpa gave
>me: always take two
>Mormons with when you go
>anywhere with them. If you
>only bring one he will
>drink all your beer.
>Bring two and they won't
>drink any
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>Worship as you wish, I really
>don't care. If it
>makes you feel better then
>good on you. Just
>don't tell me that you
>are a WWJD kind of
>guy when it comes to
>politics or war
>
>Jesus was pretty specific:
>
>Matthew 5:38-42
>
>38 ?You have heard that it
>was said, ?An eye for
>an eye and a tooth
>for a tooth.? 39 But
>I say to you, Do
>not resist the one who
>is evil. But if anyone
>slaps you on the right
>cheek, turn to him the
>other also. 40 And if
>anyone would sue you and
>take your tunic,[h] let him
>have your cloak as well.
>41 And if anyone forces
>you to go one mile,
>go with him two miles.
>42 Give to the one
>who begs from you, and
>do not refuse the one
>who would borrow from you.
>
N, I believe Jesus in Matthew is giving clear instructions with regard to revenge , God said that vengeance was for Him to dole out .He tells us to repay an evil done to us with kindness , it's like dumping hot coals on the offenders head and can have the effect of turning the offenders heart towards God . He is instructing us to be generous to those in need.
Don't see where that applies with regard to our discussion with regard to Christians voting for and supporting political leaders that more closely adhere to Gods will. Please don't bother pointing out all of Trumps shortcomings....I detest many many things he has said and done. The choice was between Clinton and Trump. Absolutely couldnt support Hillary, Trump was my last choice among the GOP candidates.
>don't care. If it
>makes you feel better then
>good on you. Just
>don't tell me that you
>are a WWJD kind of
>guy when it comes to
>politics or war
>
>Jesus was pretty specific:
>
>Matthew 5:38-42
>
>38 ?You have heard that it
>was said, ?An eye for
>an eye and a tooth
>for a tooth.? 39 But
>I say to you, Do
>not resist the one who
>is evil. But if anyone
>slaps you on the right
>cheek, turn to him the
>other also. 40 And if
>anyone would sue you and
>take your tunic,[h] let him
>have your cloak as well.
>41 And if anyone forces
>you to go one mile,
>go with him two miles.
>42 Give to the one
>who begs from you, and
>do not refuse the one
>who would borrow from you.
>
N, I believe Jesus in Matthew is giving clear instructions with regard to revenge , God said that vengeance was for Him to dole out .He tells us to repay an evil done to us with kindness , it's like dumping hot coals on the offenders head and can have the effect of turning the offenders heart towards God . He is instructing us to be generous to those in need.
Don't see where that applies with regard to our discussion with regard to Christians voting for and supporting political leaders that more closely adhere to Gods will. Please don't bother pointing out all of Trumps shortcomings....I detest many many things he has said and done. The choice was between Clinton and Trump. Absolutely couldnt support Hillary, Trump was my last choice among the GOP candidates.
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LAST EDITED ON Apr-26-17 AT 09:16AM (MST)[p]If you truly believe that God controls all of this wouldn't these choices been a clear sign from God that neither deserved a Christian's vote
So out of 320,00,000 Americans The best God could do was Trump? Why would God want a person in power whom you, a Christian believer, detests parts of? Or does God just not really care about America or does he just have a sense of humor and likes messing with his people?
If God is in control and this is the quality of candidates he installs in office, that should be a big sign to anyone with a brain that God is not always right.
Nemont
So out of 320,00,000 Americans The best God could do was Trump? Why would God want a person in power whom you, a Christian believer, detests parts of? Or does God just not really care about America or does he just have a sense of humor and likes messing with his people?
If God is in control and this is the quality of candidates he installs in office, that should be a big sign to anyone with a brain that God is not always right.
Nemont
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N, as I stated previously, God gave mankind free will....we are not robots. Vote for Trump justified in my eyes 1. SCOTUS ( Gorsuch ) 2. Calling out Planned Parenthood 3. Stepping up fight against evil ( I.E Syria, NK) 4. Tax Reform 5. Taking on the out of control EPA 6. Prohibited political appointees from lobbying for foreign govt. Hillary would have done NONE of this. Certainly don't regret my vote when considering the alternative. My personal opinion sir
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So God doesn't figure in to your vote, you just vote for the lesser of two evils. Wouldn't that mean that both are evils?
In the CR they are voting on, the wall won't be funded but planned parenthood is.
His tax bill roll out is DOA in the Senate.
The freedom Caucus just agreed to let Obama care stand but allow states to seek waivers.
Trump didn't understand the separation of power and that the executive branch cannot withhold money that congress has already directed to Sanctuary cities.
What vital American interest of ours is in Syria? Why did you vote for him on that? As a candidate he opposed action in Syria and then flipped flopped.
The EPA, last I checked even conservative fakers need clean air and water, maybe you and your kids don't like a clean environment but must of us do.
Can you tell me how polluting the planet more is part of the will of God? How about tax cuts when there is a massive debt that we can't grow our way out of? Where in the Bible does it say that is the will of God. The one I read says said don't be a borrower or a lender.
So be specific how Trump reflects the will of God?
Nemont
So God doesn't figure in to your vote, you just vote for the lesser of two evils. Wouldn't that mean that both are evils?
In the CR they are voting on, the wall won't be funded but planned parenthood is.
His tax bill roll out is DOA in the Senate.
The freedom Caucus just agreed to let Obama care stand but allow states to seek waivers.
Trump didn't understand the separation of power and that the executive branch cannot withhold money that congress has already directed to Sanctuary cities.
What vital American interest of ours is in Syria? Why did you vote for him on that? As a candidate he opposed action in Syria and then flipped flopped.
The EPA, last I checked even conservative fakers need clean air and water, maybe you and your kids don't like a clean environment but must of us do.
Can you tell me how polluting the planet more is part of the will of God? How about tax cuts when there is a massive debt that we can't grow our way out of? Where in the Bible does it say that is the will of God. The one I read says said don't be a borrower or a lender.
So be specific how Trump reflects the will of God?
Nemont
Well said.
Isn't this guy a Christian?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/1/pope-francis-calls-climate-change-sin/
Better look out servehim. you're going to be stuck here with us heathens and the other sinners when the mother ship beams the righteous up.
Scary huh? yeah......
Stay Thirsty My Friends
Isn't this guy a Christian?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/1/pope-francis-calls-climate-change-sin/
Better look out servehim. you're going to be stuck here with us heathens and the other sinners when the mother ship beams the righteous up.
Scary huh? yeah......
Stay Thirsty My Friends
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LAST EDITED ON Apr-27-17 AT 00:06AM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Apr-26-17 AT 11:58?PM (MST)
>LAST EDITED ON Apr-26-17
>AT 02:14?PM (MST)
>
>
>
>So God doesn't figure in to
>your vote, you just vote
>for the lesser of
>two evils. Wouldn't that
>mean that both are
>evils?
>
*** both candidates are in fact fallen N, one (Hillary) supports much of what I detest...the DNC as a party support many things I detest. RNC as a whole much more closely support things I believe in. No grey area about that , your trying to state in a round about way that both parties are equally bad is not accurate.*****
>In the CR they are voting
>on, the wall won't be
>funded but planned parenthood is.
*****I don't support a 2000 mile wall just for the sake of saying we have one. It's not a wise use of money. In places that it's needed and can be functional yes, in many places enhanced monitoring is best. Planned parenthood must be addressed for the fraud they skate under ..pray Sept budget nixes them. Just a couple points of interest about PP I learned last night while I attended a fund raiser that is Christian based supporting adoption over killing innocent babies . We are lied to about all the good PP does and that promoting abortion is not their primary focus. Here is some real numbers of all the outlying women's health issues that libs prop up as the reason our taxpayers must support them.
These numbers reflect the 5 yr span from 2010-2014
Breast cancer screens Down 51.2 % 747,607 to 363,803
PAP test. Down 64.7 %. 769,769 to 271,539
Prenatal Care. Down 44.0%. 31,098. to 17,419
HPV Treatments. Down 37%. 51,197. To 32,233
CEO salary. UP 228%. 420,153 to 957,952
Number of clients dropped from@ 3 million to 2.5 million. Tax payer funding increased 14% to 553 Mil
In 2014 PP completed 32% of the abortions in our nation. This organization IS NOT what is force fed to us by the media.
>
>
>His tax bill roll out is
>DOA in the Senate.
***** Hum, maybe...maybe not. I think Trump can and will use the bully pulpit to call out all the Democratic Senators presently in office that reside in states that are Red states and they voted for and support Trump*** it is very possible that GOP majority is increased in 2018 if those Senators don't get on board, I know that possibility is foolishness to you , but it's a real possibility . *****
>
>The freedom Caucus just agreed to
>let Obama care stand but
>allow states to seek waivers.
*** that battle is for from over and you know it*****
>
>
>Trump didn't understand the separation of
>power and that the executive
>branch cannot withhold money that
>congress has already directed to
>Sanctuary cities.
>
**** laws can and will be changed if the electorate want it to, Americans do not support Santuary cities*****
>What vital American interest of ours
>is in Syria? Why
>did you vote for him
>on that? As a candidate
>he opposed action in Syria
>and then flipped flopped.
**** as I stated ( and you know it) Sryia was not the sole reason I voted Trump. I am happy he let them know he is serious about the use of chemical weapons. BHO did nothing . Knock off the twisting of my positions to reflect some stereotype you want to place me in ******
>
>The EPA, last I checked even
>conservative fakers need clean air
>and water, maybe you and
>your kids don't like a
>clean environment but must of
>us do.
>
**** love my clean air N, it won't change by reeling in an over regulatory EPA*****
>
>
>Can you tell me how polluting
>the planet more is part
>of the will of God?
*****already addressed this****
> How about tax cuts
>when there is a massive
>debt that we can't grow
>our way out of?
*** and just because N says we can grow out way out of it ....it's true???? Coupled with strategic cuts, ( tax policy that brings new money back to our nation from offshore) and the elimination of baseline budgeting ( a Democratic Party necessity) I do believe we can start to see improvements How quickly most forget a 10, 000 billion dollar nation debt DOUBLING under Demacrates in 8 yrs**
# note, Most changes in tax policy in regard to big business take many years to come to proision in order to reap the harvest. Factory's and overall business structure take time, These guys won't invest the available billions until they are certain that their investment is secure #
>Where in the Bible does
>it say that is the
>will of God. The
>one I read says said
>don't be a borrower or
>a lender.
>***bro don't even go there , I totally support a balenced budget every year*** can you say the same????
>So be specific how Trump reflects
>the will of God?
*** sadly , though you are intelligent you are not honest....you twist and pervert our dialog grossly.. I have explained many times now about why a God fearing Christian would vote Trump over Hillary***
>
>Nemont
>LAST EDITED ON Apr-26-17
>AT 02:14?PM (MST)
>
>
>
>So God doesn't figure in to
>your vote, you just vote
>for the lesser of
>two evils. Wouldn't that
>mean that both are
>evils?
>
*** both candidates are in fact fallen N, one (Hillary) supports much of what I detest...the DNC as a party support many things I detest. RNC as a whole much more closely support things I believe in. No grey area about that , your trying to state in a round about way that both parties are equally bad is not accurate.*****
>In the CR they are voting
>on, the wall won't be
>funded but planned parenthood is.
*****I don't support a 2000 mile wall just for the sake of saying we have one. It's not a wise use of money. In places that it's needed and can be functional yes, in many places enhanced monitoring is best. Planned parenthood must be addressed for the fraud they skate under ..pray Sept budget nixes them. Just a couple points of interest about PP I learned last night while I attended a fund raiser that is Christian based supporting adoption over killing innocent babies . We are lied to about all the good PP does and that promoting abortion is not their primary focus. Here is some real numbers of all the outlying women's health issues that libs prop up as the reason our taxpayers must support them.
These numbers reflect the 5 yr span from 2010-2014
Breast cancer screens Down 51.2 % 747,607 to 363,803
PAP test. Down 64.7 %. 769,769 to 271,539
Prenatal Care. Down 44.0%. 31,098. to 17,419
HPV Treatments. Down 37%. 51,197. To 32,233
CEO salary. UP 228%. 420,153 to 957,952
Number of clients dropped from@ 3 million to 2.5 million. Tax payer funding increased 14% to 553 Mil
In 2014 PP completed 32% of the abortions in our nation. This organization IS NOT what is force fed to us by the media.
>
>
>His tax bill roll out is
>DOA in the Senate.
***** Hum, maybe...maybe not. I think Trump can and will use the bully pulpit to call out all the Democratic Senators presently in office that reside in states that are Red states and they voted for and support Trump*** it is very possible that GOP majority is increased in 2018 if those Senators don't get on board, I know that possibility is foolishness to you , but it's a real possibility . *****
>
>The freedom Caucus just agreed to
>let Obama care stand but
>allow states to seek waivers.
*** that battle is for from over and you know it*****
>
>
>Trump didn't understand the separation of
>power and that the executive
>branch cannot withhold money that
>congress has already directed to
>Sanctuary cities.
>
**** laws can and will be changed if the electorate want it to, Americans do not support Santuary cities*****
>What vital American interest of ours
>is in Syria? Why
>did you vote for him
>on that? As a candidate
>he opposed action in Syria
>and then flipped flopped.
**** as I stated ( and you know it) Sryia was not the sole reason I voted Trump. I am happy he let them know he is serious about the use of chemical weapons. BHO did nothing . Knock off the twisting of my positions to reflect some stereotype you want to place me in ******
>
>The EPA, last I checked even
>conservative fakers need clean air
>and water, maybe you and
>your kids don't like a
>clean environment but must of
>us do.
>
**** love my clean air N, it won't change by reeling in an over regulatory EPA*****
>
>
>Can you tell me how polluting
>the planet more is part
>of the will of God?
*****already addressed this****
> How about tax cuts
>when there is a massive
>debt that we can't grow
>our way out of?
*** and just because N says we can grow out way out of it ....it's true???? Coupled with strategic cuts, ( tax policy that brings new money back to our nation from offshore) and the elimination of baseline budgeting ( a Democratic Party necessity) I do believe we can start to see improvements How quickly most forget a 10, 000 billion dollar nation debt DOUBLING under Demacrates in 8 yrs**
# note, Most changes in tax policy in regard to big business take many years to come to proision in order to reap the harvest. Factory's and overall business structure take time, These guys won't invest the available billions until they are certain that their investment is secure #
>Where in the Bible does
>it say that is the
>will of God. The
>one I read says said
>don't be a borrower or
>a lender.
>***bro don't even go there , I totally support a balenced budget every year*** can you say the same????
>So be specific how Trump reflects
>the will of God?
*** sadly , though you are intelligent you are not honest....you twist and pervert our dialog grossly.. I have explained many times now about why a God fearing Christian would vote Trump over Hillary***
>
>Nemont
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>Well said.
>
>
> Isn't this guy a Christian?
>
>
>http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/1/pope-francis-calls-climate-change-sin/
>
>
>
> Better look out servehim.
>you're going to be stuck
>here with us heathens
>and the other sinners
>when the mother ship beams
> the righteous up.
>
>Scary huh? yeah......
>
>**** pray I am one day caught up in the twinkling of an eye, but that's above my pay grade. Truth is 6pack, those not saved by the sinless blood of Jesus don't get to just hang out with the rest of the heathens sir, they desend to hell....I pray daily I'm worthy to be heaven bound****
>
>
>FYI, I pray that for you as well*****
>
>
>ww
>
>
>Stay Thirsty My Friends
>
>
> Isn't this guy a Christian?
>
>
>http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/1/pope-francis-calls-climate-change-sin/
>
>
>
> Better look out servehim.
>you're going to be stuck
>here with us heathens
>and the other sinners
>when the mother ship beams
> the righteous up.
>
>Scary huh? yeah......
>
>**** pray I am one day caught up in the twinkling of an eye, but that's above my pay grade. Truth is 6pack, those not saved by the sinless blood of Jesus don't get to just hang out with the rest of the heathens sir, they desend to hell....I pray daily I'm worthy to be heaven bound****
>
>
>FYI, I pray that for you as well*****
>
>
>ww
>
>
>Stay Thirsty My Friends
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I see you can vote for a puzzy grabbing three time divorced serial philanderer because of your wallet. That sounds like the Christians I know, they claim to want to do good however most end up just doing well.
If PP is cause de jour why does the CR Trump will sign fund it?
You may want to read some actual economic analysis of real facts from conservative market based economists who state and back up that we cannot grow our way out the debt problem. You can't grow your way out of it and Trump's tax plan adds another $6 Trillion. NO WHERE in anything Trump has stated does he cut a single dollar from mandatory spending and every dollar cut in discretionary spending doesn't get saved it gets sent to the Pentagon for more war.
Couple the unwillingness to cut anything and rising interest rates and the deficit will explode. Trump will be using the line that deficits don't matter and guys like you will defend the new debt because an R is behind his name.
You can pretend Trump is all that and a bag of chips but I suspect his low numbers amongst independent voters is a canary in the coal mine.
If PP is cause de jour why does the CR Trump will sign fund it?
You may want to read some actual economic analysis of real facts from conservative market based economists who state and back up that we cannot grow our way out the debt problem. You can't grow your way out of it and Trump's tax plan adds another $6 Trillion. NO WHERE in anything Trump has stated does he cut a single dollar from mandatory spending and every dollar cut in discretionary spending doesn't get saved it gets sent to the Pentagon for more war.
Couple the unwillingness to cut anything and rising interest rates and the deficit will explode. Trump will be using the line that deficits don't matter and guys like you will defend the new debt because an R is behind his name.
You can pretend Trump is all that and a bag of chips but I suspect his low numbers amongst independent voters is a canary in the coal mine.
There's no need to get caught up in this long term debt and deficit stuff. not to worry . soon the rapture will be upon us and when the mothership beams up the good Christians and everyone else goes to hell the books will be wiped clean. and worse case scenario if the rapture is delayed it's future generations holding the bag anyway. so BFD.
You just have to think like an evangelical. me me me phuk you.
Stay Thirsty My Friends
You just have to think like an evangelical. me me me phuk you.
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>I see you can vote for
>a puzzy grabbing three time
>divorced serial philanderer because of
>your wallet. That sounds
>like the Christians I know,
>they claim to want to
>do good however most
>end up just doing well.
>
>***** N, you might want to evaluate who you hang out with that call themselves Chrisians, the Christians I hang with vote based on candidates who more closely reflect their morals, not wallet***
>If PP is cause de jour
>why does the CR Trump
>will sign fund it?
>
**** he is 3 months into at least 48, hopefully 96 months****
>You may want to read some
>actual economic analysis of real
>facts from conservative market based
>economists who state and back
>up that we cannot grow
>our way out the debt
>problem. You can't grow
>your way out of it
>and Trump's tax plan
>adds another $6 Trillion.
****and that number calculated by the notoriously accurate CBO....no thanks****
>NO WHERE in anything Trump
>has stated does he cut
>a single dollar from mandatory
>spending and every dollar cut
>in discretionary spending doesn't get
>saved it gets sent to
>the Pentagon for more war.
>
***** Humm...once again just because N said it , it's true....Not so much*****
>
>Couple the unwillingness to cut anything
>and rising interest rates and
>the deficit will explode.
>Trump will be using the
>line that deficits don't matter
>and guys like you will
>defend the new debt because
>an R is behind his
>name.
*** nothing to do with the R sir, I believe Trump is working very hard to create a pro growth/ pro business environment . The truth is that it took Reagan several years to fully implement his tax reform. Once implemented revenues into the Federal govt grew substantially , problem was that Dems took that opportunity to spend even faster than revenues grew****
>
>
>You can pretend Trump is all
>that and a bag of
>chips but I suspect his
>low numbers amongst independent voters
>is a canary in the
>coal mine.
*** only temporary ....I hope****
>a puzzy grabbing three time
>divorced serial philanderer because of
>your wallet. That sounds
>like the Christians I know,
>they claim to want to
>do good however most
>end up just doing well.
>
>***** N, you might want to evaluate who you hang out with that call themselves Chrisians, the Christians I hang with vote based on candidates who more closely reflect their morals, not wallet***
>If PP is cause de jour
>why does the CR Trump
>will sign fund it?
>
**** he is 3 months into at least 48, hopefully 96 months****
>You may want to read some
>actual economic analysis of real
>facts from conservative market based
>economists who state and back
>up that we cannot grow
>our way out the debt
>problem. You can't grow
>your way out of it
>and Trump's tax plan
>adds another $6 Trillion.
****and that number calculated by the notoriously accurate CBO....no thanks****
>NO WHERE in anything Trump
>has stated does he cut
>a single dollar from mandatory
>spending and every dollar cut
>in discretionary spending doesn't get
>saved it gets sent to
>the Pentagon for more war.
>
***** Humm...once again just because N said it , it's true....Not so much*****
>
>Couple the unwillingness to cut anything
>and rising interest rates and
>the deficit will explode.
>Trump will be using the
>line that deficits don't matter
>and guys like you will
>defend the new debt because
>an R is behind his
>name.
*** nothing to do with the R sir, I believe Trump is working very hard to create a pro growth/ pro business environment . The truth is that it took Reagan several years to fully implement his tax reform. Once implemented revenues into the Federal govt grew substantially , problem was that Dems took that opportunity to spend even faster than revenues grew****
>
>
>You can pretend Trump is all
>that and a bag of
>chips but I suspect his
>low numbers amongst independent voters
>is a canary in the
>coal mine.
*** only temporary ....I hope****
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LAST EDITED ON Apr-27-17 AT 02:29PM (MST)[p]
The CBO hasn't scored the Trump tax proposal yet. You need to read some actual analysis from people with no political agenda. I know if a Republican rings up only 60% of the debt than Obama you all will crow about how conservatives are cutting spending but the people who are right more than wrong have said it adds $6 trillion more debt. That is using dynamic scoring that accounts for increased economic growth. If growth doesn't reach and stay at 3% per year, then the picture looks even more grim for the debt. Hard to see how we can stimulate the economy more than the free money policy we have had for the last 9 years. I know $6 Trillion in more debt is less than Obama's $10 Trillion but is that something to celebrate?
As for voting for a candidate who matched your morals, what exactly in Trump's morals match a born again Christians? I get that you wouldn't vote for Hillary, but how on earth do you us a moral argument as a reason to vote for Trump? Is it the three divorces, the 4 bankruptcies, the stiffing the contractors or the Puzzy grabbing you identify with?
Nemont
The CBO hasn't scored the Trump tax proposal yet. You need to read some actual analysis from people with no political agenda. I know if a Republican rings up only 60% of the debt than Obama you all will crow about how conservatives are cutting spending but the people who are right more than wrong have said it adds $6 trillion more debt. That is using dynamic scoring that accounts for increased economic growth. If growth doesn't reach and stay at 3% per year, then the picture looks even more grim for the debt. Hard to see how we can stimulate the economy more than the free money policy we have had for the last 9 years. I know $6 Trillion in more debt is less than Obama's $10 Trillion but is that something to celebrate?
As for voting for a candidate who matched your morals, what exactly in Trump's morals match a born again Christians? I get that you wouldn't vote for Hillary, but how on earth do you us a moral argument as a reason to vote for Trump? Is it the three divorces, the 4 bankruptcies, the stiffing the contractors or the Puzzy grabbing you identify with?
Nemont
