Chaffetz: Flynn didn't follow the law.

NeMont

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Weird, when you get Jason Chaffetz and Elijah Cummings in a press briefing agreeing on Michael Flynn breaking the law.



You know you are in it when there is bipartisan press briefing. Does it bother anyone that the Trump White House did such a poor job of vetting a national security adviser? Why is the White House stone walling on the documents they have in regards to General Flynn?

I feel another missile strike coming on. Hopefully it won't kill millions of South Koreans

Nemont
 
It's almost like Chaffetz said he was not running again so he could do his job objectively. we shall see maybe I underestimated him.


The thing about this that needs far more attention is the time line. Trump knew about this FOR SURE 2 weeks before he admitted he knew there was a problem. why? It will be interesting to her Sally Yates set the record straight next month.

A Russian connection to Trump? or gross incompetence by Trump and his team? or both? there is no good way out.













Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
And again, he was with Obama for 5yrs and he had a cup a coffee with Trump before he was sniffed out and let go. Who does that reflect poorly on?
 
DW,

If that is your defense then you might just as well help pack Flynn's bags for a stay in the Federal Pen and get ready for a real fight over what Trump knew and when he knew it.

While he served in the military during the Obama administration he didn't receive payments from foreign governments. That occurred after his retirement in April 2014, when he and his son formed Flynn Intel Group.

Wouldn't the fact that he got canned as the Dir. DIA be kind of a red flag to anyone to do some extreme vetting? Or is that you think him serving under Obama was a good enough reason for Trump to pick him as National Security Adviser?

Can you point to your info that says Flynn got paid while in Uniform under Obama? If that info is available then Trump is a bigger clown car driving goober than even I thought he was.

Nemont
 
Do you think his character turned shady the last 5minutes of his career when he was tied to Trump or was he shady long before? Maybe he just finally got caught and who caught him again?
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-25-17 AT 04:29PM (MST)[p]DW,

Come on Flynn was an unregistered agent of a foreign government serving as the National Security adviser to a U.S. President. He didn't become involved in getting paid from foreign governments until after he was fired and then retired. Either Trump didn't care about all that or he was incompetent in who he trusted to advise him in selecting Flynn.

Even after he had to fire Flynn for lying to VP Pence here is what Trump had to say.


"Gen. Flynn is a wonderful man. I think he has been treated very, very unfairly by the media, as I call it, the fake media in many cases," Trump said. "And I think it is really a sad thing that he was treated so badly."

That is what our president had to say about a guy who Chaffetz and Cummings just said broke the law. When did Trump know about the law breaking? If it was after his above statement it shows a complete lack of judgement.

You can pretend that working for Obama was good enough to qualify Flynn to work for Trump but that isn't the case.

Nemont
 
Never said it qualified him just makes me wonder what kind if shenanigans he pulled under Obama, doubt he was a saint. Confirms he was asleep at the wheel.
 
We're going to get a time line when Yates testifies next month. you aren't going to like it.

When you have an important job to do you can't go wrong with a general the president fired. that's what I always say.

no need to check them out as long as they say good things about you. and if they have ties to Russia all the better they're already on the team. what could go wrong?













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He makes all kinds of excuses about Flynn, after firing him. I suspect that Trump may be not really know who he surrounds himself with.

Nemont
 
FW is that all you got? Your previous dear leader had worse picks and the scandals they led to helps to prove it.
I can understand you liberals bashing Trump when he REALLY screws up, but your constant nit picking is B.S. and reflects your anger over your crooked Hillary getting beat at her own game.

You still enjoying Idaho with it's lower taxes and less regulations after bailing out of the state your voting helped to screw up?

RELH
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-26-17 AT 06:38PM (MST)[p]Now that is funny RELH. I did not vote for the Duke, Wilson, or Arnold. Take a look at any graph, every downturn in the state's economy happened under a Republican Governor over the last 40 years.

I never wanted Hillsy to be POTUS and you know that. Not that it matters we got her in orange form anyways. The only difference is Hillsy has bigger hands.

Questions for you RELH, why is it 9 out 10 of the poorest states in the county are Republican? Why is it the 10 states the have are the least educated are red states?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/karste...cated-states-in-the-u-s-in-2017/#67c4971a71be

http://www.benefitspro.com/2016/10/...in-america-in-2016?slreturn=1493253389&page=6

Why are red states parasites of blue states?

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/03/26/report-proves-stupid-red-states-parasites.html

Take a good look in the mirror if you want to know why California has gotten trashed.
 
FW why are the states that pay the highest taxes, have far more restrictive regulations that choke business are Democrat controlled states.
Those same Democrat states have been losing their job base at an alarming rate. One reason NY is now offering tax reliefs to any business that will move there. CA. drove out the computer business from Silicon valley and lost 14,000 jobs from that one industry due to taxing the crap out of them. Those would be the Democrats you voted for and why you bailed out for a cheaper state to live in.
Those poor states you mentioned are the ones now that are getting big business moving to them from the Democrat controlled states. Guess what that means in the future.

RELGH
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-26-17 AT 09:31PM (MST)[p]Oh, I'm sorry but I could not help but notice you didn't answer a single question of mine.

As for your 14,000 lost jobs is this how you feel? I know how important feelings are to you Republicans these days or is this just an alternative fact?

http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/02/...powers-record-boom-for-silicon-valley-report/

Under (D) Gov. Brown Silicon Valley added 129,000 jobs in the Bay Area in 2015.

http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/04/...unleashes-challenges-that-could-choke-growth/

Golly gee it must really suck to be wrong again RELH. Now sack up, unwad your panties and answer my questions, why has your party dragged down California under it's leadership along with the rest of the states it governs in the country?
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-26-17 AT 10:40PM (MST)[p]For your reading pleasure. I did not bother to copy the article from the Mercury newspaper about layoffs happening.

RELH
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FW that sentence about Texas now surpassing CA. in employment is just for you and your liberal B.S.
I will over look Dude's comment as we all know he is a moron of the first order.
RELH
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Is Silicon Valley Facing the Phony California Recovery? Cisco FIRING 14,000 Workers

August 18, 2016 By Stephen Frank Leave a Comment



I love the spin from the government and the media on the 14,000 people CISCO is about to fire. This is the largest termination ?class? in their history. Yet some are feeling ?relief? since they expected many more to be fired. Add to this the July almost 10% decline is State tax revenues for income, corporate and sales tax, the almost on trillion in unfunded CalPERS liabilities and the over $500 billion tax increases and bonds (including interest) on the November ballot.

Has California already gone over the edge? Is CISCO, along with the massive decline in shipping from the Port of Long Beach the signals the recession Guv Brown said was coming, is here?

?Every summer from 2011 through 2014, with icy routine, when Cisco was closing out its fiscal year, it revealed mass job cuts. In July 2011: 6,500 layoffs. In July 2012: 1,300 layoffs. In August 2013: 4,000 layoffs. In August 2014: 6,000 layoffs. A veritable layoff machine.

In the summer last year, with the new guy, Chuck Robbins, getting his feet on the ground, it skipped the layoffs. But the layoffs now being planned are a doozie.

The aging Silicon Valley icon will lay off between 9,000 and 14,000 employees globally, ?multiple sources close to the company? told CRN. If it cuts 14,000 people, it would be the largest single layoff announcement it its history. They would amount to nearly 20% of its 73,000 employees.?

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Nestl? USA, ?the maker of H?agen-Dazs, Baby Ruth, Lean Cuisine, and dozens of other mass brands,? is moving its U.S. headquarters from California to Virginia. It is among many businesses that have left California in recent years. In 2010, Northrop Grumman Corp. moved its headquarters out of California, leaving the state that gave birth to the aerospace industry without a single major military contractor based there. Last Spring, the parent company of Carl?s Jr., founded in Anaheim, California, 60 years ago, relocated its headquarters to Nashville, Tennessee, where there is no state income tax.



California?s ?skyrocketing? housing costs and high tax rates have prompted an ?exodus of residents,? reported the San Jose Mercury News in June 2016. ?During the 12 months ending June 30, the number of people leaving California for another state exceeded by 61,100 the number who moved here from elsewhere in the U.S., according to state Finance Department statistics. ?They are tired of the expense of living here. They are tired of the state of California and the endless taxes here,? said Scott McElfresh, a certified moving consultant. ?People are getting soaked every time they turn around.??

Virginia, where Nestl? and Northrop Grumman moved, has lower corporate and individual tax rates than California, and much less onerous labor laws. In California, cities adopt ordinances meddling in private sector hiring (such as ban-the-box ordinances in Los Angeles and San Francisco). By contrast, Virginia has a Dillon rule that prevents cities and counties from regulating the employment practices of private businesses. That keeps them from dictating wage levels, or adding new protected classes of employees at businesses? expense.

The exodus of businesses undercuts claims by Obama administration officials like Julian Castro, who asserted at the 2016 Texas Democratic Convention that ?California is kicking our butt, creating more jobs and more economic growth than Texas.? Over the last decade, California has experienced job growth of about 8 percent. By contrast, Texas, despite suffering from declining oil prices, saw job gains of about 19 percent over the same period. Castro criticized Texas?s economic performance, saying it was poor because the Texas Republican party ?doesn't believe in government.? But Texas?s performance looks pretty good compared to California, where the GOP holds neither the governor?s mansion nor even a third of the seats in the state legislature. Texas now has a higher rate of employment than California, something that was not true before 1990.



If it did not have so much burdensome regulation and taxes, California would be growing much faster than Texas, given California?s immense natural advantages (such as a climate which is much more pleasant than Texas?s, and economic engines such as Silicon Valley that came into being before California was taken over by left-wing politicians). Some multi-state businesses have closed their facilities in California, despite having plenty of customers, after experiencing pointless harassment due to California?s oppressive regulatory regime, or the threat of meritless lawsuits.

For businesses, the worst is yet to come. California is increasing its minimum wage over the next several years to $15 per hour. The American Action Forum predicts the increase will ultimately cost California 700,000 jobs. An economist at Moody?s calculated that 31,000 to 160,000 California manufacturing jobs will be lost.

California taxes may rise further, to deal with a rising state budget deficit over the next decade. The deficit is rising in part due to California?s unusually high state welfare spending which grew about twice as fast in California in 2016 as in the U.S. as a whole. California also spends its transportation dollars very poorly, and it is wasting billions on a high-speed rail boondoggle that few people will ride. As Reason magazine notes, federal transportation officials are warning that California?s misnamed ?bullet train? is a disaster in the making: They believe California is drastically understating the costs of its massive high-speed rail project. Just the first leg of this $70 billion project could cost billions more than budgeted. And the project is already at least seven years behind schedule.

Hans Bader practices law in Washington, D.C. After studying economics and history at the University of Virginia and law at Harvard, he practiced civil-rights, international-trade, and constitutional law.
 
FW the downturn in CA. has been going on since your liberal Democrats have been the majority in the state capitol for more then 40 years. These are the liberals that write and pass the tax & regulation bills and most of those tax and regulation bills were signed by a Democrat governor.
As for Arnold, we should have known better that he was a Democrat in sheep's clothing being married to a Kennedy.
You and I both know you voted for these liberal Democrats from your district and they taxed you right out of the state.

RELH
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The Democratic Party currently holds supermajorities in both chambers of the California Legislature. The state senate currently consists of 27 Democrats and 13 Republicans, and the Assembly consists of 55 Democrats and 25 Republicans. Except for the period from 1995 to 1996, the Assembly has been in Democratic hands since the 1970 election (even while the governor's office has gone back and forth between Republicans and Democrats). The Senate has been in Democratic hands continuously since 1970.
 
California California California. who gives a FF about California? and since California is the 3rd wealthiest state whatever it is you're sniveling about must not be all that bad.

If California sucks that bad, and I'm not arguing with you there it does, why don't you move to MS where it's ruby red and dead broke? go see first hand what your republican utopia looks like you don't have to dream anymore you can live it. report back once you've bough a '79 Granada settled into your single wide .




And what does this have to do with your hero's Kremlin connection anyway?

















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Dude you are running true to form. Keep it up as it makes for great entertainment. You are somewhat like the court jester in the king's ballroom.

RELH
 
That's the best you can do?

New and deepening investigations and all you can do is bash me. since you can't fire off a few missiles like Trump as a diversion I guess you're going to have to stick to plan A.

Bring it on old timer, and I'll keep you as up to speed on your comrades as a feller your age can be up to speed.

















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What could be bad about uncovering a violation by Flynn back in 2015 and Trump selecting Flynn to be his National Security Adviser in 2017?

I am curious how Trump proposes to do extreme vetting on Refugees when he is not able to do that for the people inside the White House?

Do you think that the DOD IG investigation is going to show that the Trump team was competent in their vetting or incompetent? At best it shows that the Trump team either didn't look hard or didn't care about his involvement with foreign governments, from there the Flynn deal can just get worse.

Nemont
 
A violation that Flynn did back in 2015? Wait a minute, that was under Obama's watch who also it appears they failed to catch it and investigate it.

Are we seeing another double standard being applied here to soothe hurt egos.

RELH
 
Negative Fkynn was retired from the military after Obama fired him. Flynn was in business with his son and sucking the Russian teat. Has zero to do with Obama but if you want to blame Obama for Trump letting Flynn inside the White House have at it. That would make Trump Obama's beitch.

Nemont
 
B.S. Nemont. You stated it was a violation back in 2015. If it was a violation that was illegal, that happen on Obama's watch and Obama's administration are responsible for detecting and prosecuting the violation.
Now was it a violation in 2015, or are you speaking out of turn????

RELH
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-29-17 AT 08:31PM (MST)[p]You are right it is all Obama's fault that Trump hired a known foreign agent as his national security advisor. It all good, Obama forced Trump to hire Flynn for Flynn taking payments from RT.

like I said have it your way, Trump is Obama's beitch. I guess Obama was our last real president who had any personal responsibility. I am good with that narrative if you are.

Nemont
 
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Sad isn't it. Trump is such a peon he has to hire guys broke the law when Obama was in office. Never mind that both General Mathis and Obama fired Flynn. Trump is so puzzy whipped by Obama that he hired Flynn to be his national security adviser.

That is one magic half black president. Or is that Trump is a chump and hired Obama's has been? pick your poison

Nemont
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-29-17 AT 11:14PM (MST)[p]Oh wise one, tell us what information did the Obama Admin. put out there for letting Flynn go. Did they make it known they fired him for good reason, or did they cover it up and sweep the reason why under the rug to avoid any embarrassment to their regime. Even the less informed people was aware that Obama would do anything to avoid any embarrassment to his admin.
Obama got rid of a lot of good people that did not see eye to eye with him so firing Flynn did not automatic make him damage goods.

You seem to have all the answers, so tell us if Obama and company shared the reason why Flynn was let go so others later could use that information to vet him.

RELH
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BUSINESS INSIDER - MILITARY AND DEFENSE?

?Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn, the head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, is being pushed out after a series of clashes over his leadership style, report Greg Miller and Adam Goldman at The Washington Post citing current and former U.S. officials.

Flynn, who was a former intelligence adviser to retired Gen. Stanley McChrystal in Iraq and Afghanistan, took over the agency in July 2012.

One former official told The Washington Post that Flynn attempted to push DIA analyses and operators into the field and other high-intensity operations. This ran counter to how the DIA saw itself, leading many to believe that Flynn's vision for the agency was disruptive.

Flynn's critics also maintained that his management style was chaotic and that his aggressive push for changes often did not include an adequate follow-through.?
 
Okay it is Obama's fault that team Trump only had what they could get from a google search to vet Flynn. Never mind that his personnel records were available for them to review, that those who served with Flynn, including his commanders and equals were a phone call away. To believe your 10 second google search produced everything available on General Flynn is a very very lame attempt to give Trump cover. Is Trump responsible for anything?

Nope that tricky old Obama put just enough out there that an easy google search of the inter web was all the vetting required by an incompetent Trump administrations. If team Trump can not do a more thorough review of a National security adviser how will they ever be trusted enough to do extreme betting of immigrants?

When you were in law enforcement you wouldn't accept a routine google search from a detective as being thorough and exhaustive? Why be a Trump leg humper on Flynn and blame Obama? or have the phony and fake conservatives given up all personal responsibility requirements of the President? If Flynn is Obama's fault then shouldn't Trump demand an investigation into this matter? I doubt that Trump wants it made public what info was available to his administration and yet ignored it.

It is like a pathetic loser who blames everyone else for his problems. Obama never made Trump select Flynn to be Trump's National Security Adviser. Trump did that all by himself.

Nemont
 
RELH doubles down! I love it.

cut your losses RELH and admit you were conned. nobody could possibly think any less of you for it.







Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
Nemont those personnel records could be made to say whatever the Obama admin. wanted them to say. Since you started this B.S. can you prove that the Obama admin. caught Flynn doing wrong, and documented the incident. We already know they did not prosecute him if the incident happen to be a criminal offense.
Unlike you I have seen how far the gov. will go to cover up an incident that they wish hidden. Changing a few personnel records is one of the easy parts.


RELH
 
You aren't keeping up very well. What was the date of discovery? Why would Chaffetz hold hands with Cummings at a press conference and state that Flynn didn't follow the law? If the FBI Investigation was being conducted on General Flynn and Trump was alerted to it but picked him anyway that reflects badly on Trump.

Chaffetz knows it is a Shyt show at the top of this and it isn't going away.

Blame Obama all you want. That only makes Trump look weaker and dumber.

Nemont
 
No Nemont the only one that looks weaker and dumber is you throwing your crap laden shorts at the wall to see if it will stick.

RELH
 
Okay spanky, if you say so. I bet in the end the Flynn deal makes Trump look worse than it makes me look.

It's all good when the Pentagon IG and bipartisan leaders agree that your first pick for an insider position in the White House appears to have broken the law. What could be wrong with that?

Keep humping Trump's leg, you might as well enjoy yourself while you can.

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>Sad isn't it. Trump is
>such a peon he has
>to hire guys broke the
>law when Obama was in
>office. Never mind that
>both General Mathis and Obama
>fired Flynn. Trump is
>so puzzy whipped by Obama
>that he hired Flynn to
>be his national security adviser.
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>That is one magic half black
>president. Or is that
>Trump is a chump and
>hired Obama's has been?
>pick your poison
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>Nemont

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